What do you understand about FDR? Did FDR want a war with Japan? For answers, check here

[DudleySmith]

Nobody has called me on utter bullshit. I am very aware of our own history.

So why are you lying about it then?

 

[DudleySmith]

The U.S. supporting the British and Dutch and French in Asia is no secret; Japan was the aggressor form the 1920's on, so quit trying to to bullshit people with the 'FDR baited them' idiocy.

 

[DudleySmith]

Obviously, the USA was deliberately provoking Japan. That doesn’t change much.

How was that 'provoking' them? We had a right to trade with anybody we chose to, we didn't need Japan's permission. China was a major customer of U.S. goods, so were the British , French, and Dutch.

 

[DudleySmith]

What America did to its Japanese-American citizens during the war was of course wrong and of course bigoted.

Not really; there was ample reason to be concerned. A large percentage were not U.S. citizens, and were never going to be, for one, and for two there were a couple of incidents that raised fears even before Pearl as well as during Pearl with downed pilots being aided by Japanese locals. No time to have long noble debates on right and wrong, we were hit with a surprise attack and there was no time and resources for such a luxury at the time. We were busy and expedience won out.

During the Japanese invasions over the previous two decades, American Jap communities celebrated, held victory parades, and sent care packages to Japanese troops, expressions of patriotism, so they basically brought it on themselves.

 

[Robert W]

The Joint Chiefs were part of that decision

A show of force to warn japan to back off?

At that time the Joint Chiefs had actual power over the military but now they are advisers.

 

[Robert W]

How was that 'provoking' them? We had a right to trade with anybody we chose to, we didn't need Japan's permission. China was a major customer of U.S. goods, so were the British , French, and Dutch.

It shocks me how little posters know the true history of WW2. FDR provoked Japan due to stopping shipments of steel, oil and anything he believed would help Japan. He also installed the Flying Tigers in China to handle the air war with Japan. Don't you think FDR really pissed Japan off for them to bomb Pearl Harbor???

 

[DudleySmith]

t shocks me how little posters know the true history of WW2.

Yes, and you are Exhibit A.

 

[Unkotare]

Not really; there was ample reason to be concerned. ......

No there wasn't, and that scumbag fdr knew it.

 

[braalian]

It shocks me how little posters know the true history of WW2. FDR provoked Japan due to stopping shipments of steel, oil and anything he believed would help Japan. He also installed the Flying Tigers in China to handle the air war with Japan. Don't you think FDR really pissed Japan off for them to bomb Pearl Harbor???

So what if he did?

Wasn’t Japan provoking the US by invading China and harassing our closest ally (Britain) and her Asian colonies?

Who attacked who first?

 

[Robert W]

So what if he did?

Wasn’t Japan provoking the US by invading China and harassing our closest ally (Britain) and her Asian colonies?

Who attacked who first?

At the time, supposedly FDR believed the nation does not want war with anybody. We were not hired to defend China. Japan did nothing to Britain. Take the flying Tigers our pilots using our airplanes bombed and attacked the Japanese. I am not saying this to defend Japan. I say just the facts.

 

[Unkotare]

If you mean we were brain dead bidenistas flooding America with unneeded foreigners because we CARE I agree

It was in our best interests to support china and check the expansion of imperial japan

But we did nonetheless help china

Chinese Exclusion Act (1882)

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Because we cared so much about Chinese people ^^^.

 

[DudleySmith]

Chinese Exclusion Act (1882)

EnlargeDownload Link Citation: An act to execute certain treaty stipulations relating to the Chinese, May 6, 1882; Enrolled Acts and Resolutions of Congress, 1789-1996; General Records of the United States Government; Record Group 11; National Archives View All Pages in the National Archives...

www.archives.gov

Because we cared so much about Chinese people ^^^.

And you do, eh? You love the Japs, they liked to use pitchforks on Chinese babies, probably why you're all mad the U.S. bombed the pieces of shit.

 

[Unkotare]

And you do, eh? ...

As a matter of fact I do.

 

[DudleySmith]

As a matter of fact I do.

Did you eat some Chinese feces and change your mind?

 

[Unkotare]

Did you eat some Chinese feces and change your mind?

What is wrong with you?

 

[braalian]

Japan did nothing to Britain.

Aside from declare war on them and invade Singapore and Malaysia

 

[braalian]

Take the flying Tigers our pilots using our airplanes bombed and attacked the Japanese.

Again, no Flying Tiger operation took place until AFTER Pearl Harbor

Your argument is invalid

 

[Robert W]

Again, no Flying Tiger operation took place until AFTER Pearl Harbor

Your argument is invalid

Not so fast.

The First American Volunteer Group (AVG) of the Republic of China Air Force, nicknamed the Flying Tigers, was formed to help oppose the Japanese invasion of China. Operating in 1941–1942, it was composed of pilots from the United States Army Air Corps (USAAC), Navy (USN), and Marine Corps (USMC), and was commanded by Claire Lee Chennault. Their Curtiss P-40B Warhawk aircraft, marked with Chinese colors, flew under American control. Recruited under President Franklin Roosevelt's authority before Pearl Harbor, their mission was to bomb Japan and defend the Republic of China, but many delays meant the AVG first flew in combat after the US and Japan declared war.

The group consisted of three fighter squadrons of around 30 aircraft each that trained in Burma before the American entry into World War II to defend the Republic of China against Japanese forces. The AVG were officially members of the Republic of China Air Force. The group had contracts with salaries ranging from $250 a month for a mechanic to $750 for a squadron commander, roughly three times what they had been making in the U.S. forces. While it accepted some civilian volunteers for its headquarters and ground crew, the AVG recruited most of its staff from the U.S. military.

The Flying Tigers began to arrive in China in April 1941. The group first saw combat on 20 December 1941, 12 days after Pearl Harbor (local time).

 

[Robert W]

Again, no Flying Tiger operation took place until AFTER Pearl Harbor

Your argument is invalid

They came to china early in 1941.

 

[Robert W]

Aside from declare war on them and invade Singapore and Malaysia

Did the British fight in the Pacific?


In the last year of the Pacific War the British Empire's forces were involved in three major campaigns － those of the Fourteenth Army in Burma, of the Australians in New Guinea and Borneo, and of the British Pacific Fleet in the approach to Japan.

The British Empire in the Pacific War​