What does the "far left" want for America?

[Ava]

Those who support the Republican brand seem to use the phrase "far left" and "left wingers" to describe everyone who disagrees with the dogma they hold true. Since it makes no sense to use these phrases to describe ten of millions of Americans, maybe one of them who uses these phrases would describe the beliefs those who disagree with them hold.

That the phrases are used interchangeably with "Marixts, "Communists", "Socialists" and other such words as pejoratives, and it is likely these economic theories are not understood and are not differentiated from political theories of governance by their users, I expect any of them who attempt to answer this question to default to personal attacks and or idiot-grams. But we will see, maybe one of them will actually think and respond substantively.

The far left wants the maximum number of people to be dependent on the highest level of government possible. The overall goal is an attempt to create a system where those dependent on the system will vote to perpetuate the system, the system of course being run by the leftists who advocate for said system.

Its control. Control at the highest level by people as unaccountable to the public as possible.

What happens when we run out of other people's money to spend??

 

[PaintMyHouse]

damn, read the whole thread and not one leftist posted what they want, except for that wymins character and she asked for what she already has.

so what is it guys? what do you really want?

Sweden, warmer with fewer blondes.

And I posted, you missed it.

only phags want phewer swedish blondes, so I blocked that out assuming you were joking.

case in point

I don't like blondes, my sister is blonde, it's an incest taboo...

 

[The Rabbi]

Can any con here distinguish between the far left and the moderate left? It isn't hard.

Moderate Left: Joe Lieberman. The NY Times.
Far Left: Pelosi, Obama, Maddow, MSNBC, Bill Ayers. Jeremiah Wright. Just about anyone prominent in the Democrat Party.

 

[Mac1958]

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When a person consistently, passionately, predictably and obediently spins and deflects for one "side", it's not exactly a stretch to think of them as a hardcore winger. In fact, that's pretty much the definition.

The fascinating thing about this thread (and many others) is the fact that some of these people don't seem to realize that they're hardcore wingers. That's definitely a symptom of hardcore ideology: Blindness.

Too funny.

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[Wry Catcher]

Those who support the Republican brand seem to use the phrase "far left" and "left wingers" to describe everyone who disagrees with the dogma they hold true. Since it makes no sense to use these phrases to describe ten of millions of Americans, maybe one of them who uses these phrases would describe the beliefs those who disagree with them hold.

That the phrases are used interchangeably with "Marixts, "Communists", "Socialists" and other such words as pejoratives, and it is likely these economic theories are not understood and are not differentiated from political theories of governance by their users, I expect any of them who attempt to answer this question to default to personal attacks and or idiot-grams. But we will see, maybe one of them will actually think and respond substantively.

I don't actually support the "Republican brand" as it were, but I will be happy to engage your question in an honest debate. The first and most obvious point I'd like to make is, you have failed to explain what you believe "the left" wants for America. It's as if you want your opposition to explain that to you. I can only assume this is so you can attack whatever they say. Therefore rendering your question quite rhetorical. But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are genuinely interested to know what it is that "the right" thinks you want.

Okay, I am going to shock you here. I think you genuinely want a better America. You want a society where people don't have to worry about being sick, don't have to financially struggle to survive, where everyone is paid a decent wage for the work they do, no one is discriminated against, and all things are fair. I think you honestly believe liberal policies and initiatives will bring about this society. That in itself is an admirable vision, the problem is, it has never been achieved in all of world history. It has been attempted repeatedly with dismal results.

My main problem with "the left" is how they believe the world began yesterday. They have very little concept of history, most are simply illiterate of history, and I am sorry if that offends or sounds derisive, I just believe it to be a fact. I think most of you slept through world history class or something. You simply fail to realize your ideas have been tried, over and over, in various incarnations under various forms of government. If the ideas were going to work, they would have worked by now. Since the early 19th century, there have been several large-scale case studies of your policies, all have ended with mass genocide on an unimaginable scale. The problem always seems to stem from corruption within the government you trust to implement your plans. It all looks good on paper, it should all work out well for the people, but because governments inherently grow corrupt over time, it always fails. This is why it's better to have limited government and more individual liberty.

You see, we devised in America, a system where the people had ultimate power over the government. This enables free enterprise, a free market capitalist economic system, where people's needs are met through laws of supply and demand, and each individual has opportunity to participate on their own merits. This doesn't eliminate the problem of poverty for some, the worries and needs of the 'less fortunate' or the less motivated. However, it is a system that is responsible for creating more millionaires and billionaires than anything ever devised by man. It has produced a system where the "average" person in America is better off than most "wealthy" people elsewhere.

We literally went from being a fledgling little upstart country to the greatest and most powerful nation the world has ever seen in just a couple hundred years. As we've achieved this pinnacle of greatness, we have implemented more and more 'governmental' policies designed to help the less fortunate. For a while, it was a burden our vibrant system could handle. We've now reached a point where these social entitlement policies are dramatically affecting the economic stability of our system. We're in a spiraling mode of ever-increasing debt that we can't seem to reverse. This cannot be sustained. Eventually it all comes crashing to the ground.

The "left" and "right" in this country is defined by which way they wish to ratchet our policies. The left wants to continue to ratchet to the ever-increasing social entitlements and more debt we can never repay, the right wants to ratchet in the other direction. In doing so, they are met by resistance from the left and a barrage of unfounded accusations, like wanting to give tax breaks to the rich, not caring about the sick and poor, etc. The real truth of the matter is, if we do not return to what made us great, we will collapse and the sick and poor will be the first to suffer. Pushing for more and more failed policies of the left is never going to save America. The ONLY salvation is through vibrant free market capitalism. Yes, that means rich people will get richer, but it also means poor people climb out of poverty and middle class people become part of the rich. As JFK said, a rising tide floats all boats.

My posting philosophy is to try to limit by posts to three paragraphs, any more and most people will not read them. Thus I'll simply bullet point some of your points:

1. In your paragraph #1 you state: "you have failed to explain what you believe "the left" wants for America"

The obvious answer is, I asked a question, why would I supply the answer? But, I will.

IMO, the far left has no single set of goals, it is manifest by a disaffected minority who want immediate change, thus they eschew democracy and adopt the an ends and means philosophy.

2. I suspect everyone wants a more perfect union, a nation where a hard working citizen won't be bankrupt by a serious illness or injury, where they or their children won't be denied opportunities based on their race, ethnicity, creed, economic status, sexual or political identification, where hard work is rewarded by a fair wage and employers are not exploiting their labor, and where they can retire before they are worn out and live out their final days with dignity.

3/4. Notwithstanding the fear in this paragraph, let's consider who built this nation. Was it Andrew Carnegie building his steel mills, or those who mined the ore and those who forged the steel"? Was it the Robber Barons who built our nation, or the backs of labor?

I have a BA from CAL with a double major, History and Poli Sci. Who I find naive are are those who believe the exploitation of labor, denial of the rights to organize and form unions, to collectively bargain wages, benefits and working conditions, can lead to anything good. History tells us it will not, maybe you missed courses in the Economic History of the US, and The History of the Labor movement. I did not.

Let me humbly suggest a book I've recently finished: The Bully Pulpit by Doris Kearns Goodwin. Read how TR and Taft handled some of the questions of today.

5. Finally, you try to define the left but do so, IMO, framed by biases and prejudices. Speaking for myself, a registered Democrat and someone who spent a career in Law Enforcement (mostly in management, spending an inordinate amount of time butting heads with the business agents on working condition issues), the left is not hateful or envious of the very wealthy as some contend, but most of us believe in fairness. Thus most Democrats support the civil rights act, the equal rights amendment and affirmative action. We support a womens' right to choose, the rights of gay and lesbian couples to marry and the rights of all workers to form unions and bargain collectively.

 

[martybegan]

Those who support the Republican brand seem to use the phrase "far left" and "left wingers" to describe everyone who disagrees with the dogma they hold true. Since it makes no sense to use these phrases to describe ten of millions of Americans, maybe one of them who uses these phrases would describe the beliefs those who disagree with them hold.

That the phrases are used interchangeably with "Marixts, "Communists", "Socialists" and other such words as pejoratives, and it is likely these economic theories are not understood and are not differentiated from political theories of governance by their users, I expect any of them who attempt to answer this question to default to personal attacks and or idiot-grams. But we will see, maybe one of them will actually think and respond substantively.

The far left wants the maximum number of people to be dependent on the highest level of government possible. The overall goal is an attempt to create a system where those dependent on the system will vote to perpetuate the system, the system of course being run by the leftists who advocate for said system.

Its control. Control at the highest level by people as unaccountable to the public as possible.

What happens when we run out of other people's money to spend??

First comes blame, i.e. "the rich are at fault", then comes printing, i.e. the government realizes it can get out of it by opening up the presses. Next comes inflation, then unrest, but if the left controls the government, it has many previous incantations to use as examples for "controlling dissent".

 

[Two Thumbs]

Those who support the Republican brand seem to use the phrase "far left" and "left wingers" to describe everyone who disagrees with the dogma they hold true. Since it makes no sense to use these phrases to describe ten of millions of Americans, maybe one of them who uses these phrases would describe the beliefs those who disagree with them hold.

That the phrases are used interchangeably with "Marixts, "Communists", "Socialists" and other such words as pejoratives, and it is likely these economic theories are not understood and are not differentiated from political theories of governance by their users, I expect any of them who attempt to answer this question to default to personal attacks and or idiot-grams. But we will see, maybe one of them will actually think and respond substantively.

The far left wants the maximum number of people to be dependent on the highest level of government possible. The overall goal is an attempt to create a system where those dependent on the system will vote to perpetuate the system, the system of course being run by the leftists who advocate for said system.

Its control. Control at the highest level by people as unaccountable to the public as possible.

Do me a favor, please. Name some names. Tell us who wants people to be dependent on the government. Both here and at the "higher levels of government".

Please, demonstrate that what you are saying has even a shred of credibility by using real world examples. Cite someone....anyone......expressing a desire to increase government dependency in exchange for votes.

I submit that your description of what the "far left".......whoever that is....wants is a pile of shit fueled by desperate conservative talking points and is completely without merit.

Cloward and Piven https://www.google.com/webhp?source...&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=cloward and piven strategy

close friends of the clintons and the rest of the dnc

 

[Two Thumbs]

damn, read the whole thread and not one leftist posted what they want, except for that wymins character and she asked for what she already has.

so what is it guys? what do you really want?

remove the 2nd
forced fairness
no rights for biz owners to say who they do biz with
mandated purchasing of another product
re-written Constitution
forced higher wages

notice there's a lot of force involved in what you want?

seriously, what do you want other than to bitch that we don't get it?

is the debt not big enough?
have we not murdered enough citizens and looked away?

What's it take for any of you to look at what you support and go; hmmm, that's not really working out
?

I want people to be able to enjoy services available to the general public and not be denied access to those services because of who they are.

I don't care if there are white, black, Hispanic, gay, straight, muslim or Jewish. If you have a business that is open to the general public, you serve everyone in the general public without blanket discrimination. If someone is being asshole, that's one thing. But when you allow a business to discriminate on who they serve, that echoes a sentiment back in the Jim Crow days and that is immoral and illegal.

So you support forcing the naacp to give scholarships to all races equally?

of course not

fucking hypocrite

 

[Two Thumbs]

Sweden, warmer with fewer blondes.

And I posted, you missed it.

only phags want phewer swedish blondes, so I blocked that out assuming you were joking.

case in point

I don't like blondes, my sister is blonde, it's an incest taboo...

every time you see a hot blonde you think of your.....


gross

 

[Two Thumbs]

so far one leftist said what he wantd

the rest of you pussies are just being pussies.


What? Afraid to tell us what you want or afraid to hear the truth of it?

 

[Mac1958]

so far one leftist said what he wantd

the rest of you pussies are just being pussies.

What? Afraid to tell us what you want or afraid to hear the truth of it?

No, one of them said "Sweden", and I'd guess that's right on the money.

A Euro-social democracy with an authoritarian central planning system.

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[Billy000]

Can any con here distinguish between the far left and the moderate left? It isn't hard.

Moderate Left: Joe Lieberman. The NY Times.
Far Left: Pelosi, Obama, Maddow, MSNBC, Bill Ayers. Jeremiah Wright. Just about anyone prominent in the Democrat Party.

That's a start, but I want issues. Make a distinguishment between the two.

Oh and Obama is a centrist.

 

[martybegan]

Can any con here distinguish between the far left and the moderate left? It isn't hard.

Moderate Left: Joe Lieberman. The NY Times.
Far Left: Pelosi, Obama, Maddow, MSNBC, Bill Ayers. Jeremiah Wright. Just about anyone prominent in the Democrat Party.

That's a start, but I want issues. Make a distinguishment between the two.

Oh and Obama is a centrist.

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[Wry Catcher]

The far left wants the maximum number of people to be dependent on the highest level of government possible. The overall goal is an attempt to create a system where those dependent on the system will vote to perpetuate the system, the system of course being run by the leftists who advocate for said system.

Its control. Control at the highest level by people as unaccountable to the public as possible.

Do me a favor, please. Name some names. Tell us who wants people to be dependent on the government. Both here and at the "higher levels of government".

Please, demonstrate that what you are saying has even a shred of credibility by using real world examples. Cite someone....anyone......expressing a desire to increase government dependency in exchange for votes.

I submit that your description of what the "far left".......whoever that is....wants is a pile of shit fueled by desperate conservative talking points and is completely without merit.

Cloward and Piven https://www.google.com/webhp?source...&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=cloward and piven strategy

close friends of the clintons and the rest of the dnc

Never heard of them, yet this guy was elected to the H. of Rep. by Republicans:

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[bripat9643]

Those who support the Republican brand seem to use the phrase "far left" and "left wingers" to describe everyone who disagrees with the dogma they hold true. Since it makes no sense to use these phrases to describe ten of millions of Americans, maybe one of them who uses these phrases would describe the beliefs those who disagree with them hold.

That the phrases are used interchangeably with "Marixts, "Communists", "Socialists" and other such words as pejoratives, and it is likely these economic theories are not understood and are not differentiated from political theories of governance by their users, I expect any of them who attempt to answer this question to default to personal attacks and or idiot-grams. But we will see, maybe one of them will actually think and respond substantively.

Leftists want the complete enslavement of America. They want government bureaucrats to make all the decisions on your life. They want the common folk to bow and grovel before their government overlords and live in constant fear of angering some minion of the omnipotent state. They want to live at the expense of the productive while they tell everyone how to live and produce nothing of value to anyone.

 

[rdean]

Those who support the Republican brand seem to use the phrase "far left" and "left wingers" to describe everyone who disagrees with the dogma they hold true. Since it makes no sense to use these phrases to describe ten of millions of Americans, maybe one of them who uses these phrases would describe the beliefs those who disagree with them hold.

That the phrases are used interchangeably with "Marixts, "Communists", "Socialists" and other such words as pejoratives, and it is likely these economic theories are not understood and are not differentiated from political theories of governance by their users, I expect any of them who attempt to answer this question to default to personal attacks and or idiot-grams. But we will see, maybe one of them will actually think and respond substantively.

The far left wants the maximum number of people to be dependent on the highest level of government possible. The overall goal is an attempt to create a system where those dependent on the system will vote to perpetuate the system, the system of course being run by the leftists who advocate for said system.

Its control. Control at the highest level by people as unaccountable to the public as possible.

This is why Republicans were such a disaster in IRaq. They don't even know what other Americans want beyond the sickness that comes from deluded Republican minds.

You would have to be a total tard to believe such nonsense and yet look at all the loons agreeing with this fool.

How can such ignorant people think they can negotiate foreign policy, much less domestic policy? They aren't fit to pull weeds.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

so far one leftist said what he wantd

the rest of you pussies are just being pussies.

What? Afraid to tell us what you want or afraid to hear the truth of it?

No, one of them said "Sweden", and I'd guess that's right on the money.

A Euro-social democracy with an authoritarian central planning system.

A Mixed Economy run by rational people, without religious dogma, but no matter.

 

[Avatar4321]

They don't want anything for America. They couldn't care less about the country.

They want power and money for themselves. If America is destroyed in the process, so be it.

There are a number of the right who act the same way

 

[martybegan]

Those who support the Republican brand seem to use the phrase "far left" and "left wingers" to describe everyone who disagrees with the dogma they hold true. Since it makes no sense to use these phrases to describe ten of millions of Americans, maybe one of them who uses these phrases would describe the beliefs those who disagree with them hold.

That the phrases are used interchangeably with "Marixts, "Communists", "Socialists" and other such words as pejoratives, and it is likely these economic theories are not understood and are not differentiated from political theories of governance by their users, I expect any of them who attempt to answer this question to default to personal attacks and or idiot-grams. But we will see, maybe one of them will actually think and respond substantively.

The far left wants the maximum number of people to be dependent on the highest level of government possible. The overall goal is an attempt to create a system where those dependent on the system will vote to perpetuate the system, the system of course being run by the leftists who advocate for said system.

Its control. Control at the highest level by people as unaccountable to the public as possible.

This is why Republicans were such a disaster in IRaq. They don't even know what other Americans want beyond the sickness that comes from deluded Republican minds.

You would have to be a total tard to believe such nonsense and yet look at all the loons agreeing with this fool.

How can such ignorant people think they can negotiate foreign policy, much less domestic policy? They aren't fit to pull weeds.

Standard progressive dismissal of something they don't like to hear.

So my typing for no real content Rdweeb. Go play in traffic.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

They don't want anything for America. They couldn't care less about the country.

They want power and money for themselves. If America is destroyed in the process, so be it.

There are a number of the right who act the same way

Where exactly do you guys get this nonsense from? And what you describe is neither the left nor the right actually, but capitalism, left to its own devices.