You claim this was a GOP problem? Simple question for you then, Sealy...what did the Democrats do to address that issue back in 2009 when they controlled the White House, the House and the Senate? Why didn't Barry do ALL of the things you claim he wanted to do but was blocked by the GOP?
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You claim this was a GOP problem? Simple question for you then, Sealy...what did the Democrats do to address that issue back in 2009 when they controlled the White House, the House and the Senate? Why didn't Barry do ALL of the things you claim he wanted to do but was blocked by the GOP?
I would like for the Government to regulate the Rock Bottom Cost of a form of "minimum wage" that simply pays the least efficient labor market participants, to not provide labor input to the economy and take time to improve themselves and their situation, so they will be able to participate in a more beneficial and friendly manner, in our market based economy.Would you like for the government to regulate wages?
The major cuts in top Income tax rates and capital gains taxes transferred the cost of operating the country to working and middle class tax payers. As these classes did not have enough money for our overseas military adventures and empire building the government borrowed the money from the wealthy, here and abroad, instead of taking it with taxation. The Republicans also discontinued tuition grants to lower and middleclass students funded by taxing the wealthy and replaced the grants with loans owned by the wealthy. They also stopped paying for the maintenance of the infrastructure and put the burden on States and Towns funded with sales and property taxes disproportionally paid by the working and middle classes.
These policies were designed and implemented in order to reduce the aggregate wealth of the lower classes and to insure a larger gap in power, exclusivity and privilege for the uber class. They have worked very well.
And this is just one example. Trickle down doesn't work bro. As we can see since Reagan the middle class has taken a major hit
Thom Hartmann: Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes
Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts
Just because I do very well in this society, doesn't mean that I'm rich. I'm certainly doing better than 90% of you but still I see that Republican policies hurt people like me and people who make less than me. It's obvious their policies benefit the rich more than they do the middle class.
You are probably like me. The way Republicans hurt the middle class doesn't affect you as much as it does a family that makes only $50,000 a year. They are fucked. Now I could pretend to be a greedy ignorant fuck like you and not give a damn and say liberals are lying but I can't get myself to be intellectually dishonest when discussing such things.
How do Republicans benefit you? And not just you. Maybe they do benefit you. How do they benefit the middle class in your state? This aught to be good.
Trickle down doesn't exist, Sealy! Anyone that's EVER run a business understands only too well that profit trickles up...not down!
The fact that you need to ASK what GOP policies do to benefit everyone with the unemployment numbers we've had for the past two plus years and all of the other positive economic numbers tells me that you're ignoring what's actually taken place!
Who gives a fuck if everyone is working if they are aren't making enough? Meanwhile their bosses are richer than ever. What happened? How come since 1970 we have gotten poorer and poorer and the rich have gotten richer and richer? I think you know what happened. The rich waged war on the middle class. We were making too much and that was cutting into corporate profits.
Most people in the U.S. are living in financially precarious circumstances. Half of all Americans have nothing put away for retirement and the vast majority of them have under $1,000 saved, total.
According to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero. Only 15 percent have over $10,000 stashed away.
For contrast, here’s how much experts say you should have saved at every age:
In your 20s: Aim to save 25 percent of your overall gross pay
By age 30: Have the equivalent of your annual salary saved
By age 35: Have twice your annual salary saved.
By age 40: Have three times your annual salary saved.
By age 45: Have four times your annual salary saved.
By age 50: Have five times your annual salary saved.
The middle class you remember when America was great was making a lot of money. The corporations didn't like that. That's why they started hiring illegals and started sending those high paying jobs overseas. And it's why they broke the unions. No coincidence that since union membership in America went from 35% of our workforce down to 9%, wages have gone down too. Why? Because labor has no say now. You are worth what the corporations say you are worth. And usually they don't think you are worth very much. But how much is the CEO worth? Well he's worth more than ever.
CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year
So are you a CEO or an idiot?
So you want the "dole"? Here's the thing, Daniel...long experience has shown that giving people money without having to do anything FOR that money leads to an underclass that doesn't improve themselves or their situation! One that becomes more and more dependent while contributing less and less to society!
Would you like for the government to regulate wages?Conservative policies make middle class people poorer. They shrink the middle class. They widen the gap between rich and poor. They make the rich richer. They take risks and deregulate. They favor corporations not labor
The major cuts in top Income tax rates and capital gains taxes transferred the cost of operating the country to working and middle class tax payers. As these classes did not have enough money for our overseas military adventures and empire building the government borrowed the money from the wealthy, here and abroad, instead of taking it with taxation. The Republicans also discontinued tuition grants to lower and middleclass students funded by taxing the wealthy and replaced the grants with loans owned by the wealthy. They also stopped paying for the maintenance of the infrastructure and put the burden on States and Towns funded with sales and property taxes disproportionally paid by the working and middle classes.
These policies were designed and implemented in order to reduce the aggregate wealth of the lower classes and to insure a larger gap in power, exclusivity and privilege for the uber class. They have worked very well.
And this is just one example. Trickle down doesn't work bro. As we can see since Reagan the middle class has taken a major hit
Thom Hartmann: Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes
Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts
Just because I do very well in this society, doesn't mean that I'm rich. I'm certainly doing better than 90% of you but still I see that Republican policies hurt people like me and people who make less than me. It's obvious their policies benefit the rich more than they do the middle class.
You are probably like me. The way Republicans hurt the middle class doesn't affect you as much as it does a family that makes only $50,000 a year. They are fucked. Now I could pretend to be a greedy ignorant fuck like you and not give a damn and say liberals are lying but I can't get myself to be intellectually dishonest when discussing such things.
How do Republicans benefit you? And not just you. Maybe they do benefit you. How do they benefit the middle class in your state? This aught to be good.
Trickle down doesn't exist, Sealy! Anyone that's EVER run a business understands only too well that profit trickles up...not down!
The fact that you need to ASK what GOP policies do to benefit everyone with the unemployment numbers we've had for the past two plus years and all of the other positive economic numbers tells me that you're ignoring what's actually taken place!
Who gives a fuck if everyone is working if they are aren't making enough? Meanwhile their bosses are richer than ever. What happened? How come since 1970 we have gotten poorer and poorer and the rich have gotten richer and richer? I think you know what happened. The rich waged war on the middle class. We were making too much and that was cutting into corporate profits.
Most people in the U.S. are living in financially precarious circumstances. Half of all Americans have nothing put away for retirement and the vast majority of them have under $1,000 saved, total.
According to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero. Only 15 percent have over $10,000 stashed away.
For contrast, here’s how much experts say you should have saved at every age:
In your 20s: Aim to save 25 percent of your overall gross pay
By age 30: Have the equivalent of your annual salary saved
By age 35: Have twice your annual salary saved.
By age 40: Have three times your annual salary saved.
By age 45: Have four times your annual salary saved.
By age 50: Have five times your annual salary saved.
The middle class you remember when America was great was making a lot of money. The corporations didn't like that. That's why they started hiring illegals and started sending those high paying jobs overseas. And it's why they broke the unions. No coincidence that since union membership in America went from 35% of our workforce down to 9%, wages have gone down too. Why? Because labor has no say now. You are worth what the corporations say you are worth. And usually they don't think you are worth very much. But how much is the CEO worth? Well he's worth more than ever.
CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year
So are you a CEO or an idiot?
No. I'd like to see unions make a comeback. Labor woke up in the past and improved the middle class perhaps they can do it again.
They say it's a lot harder for Walmart employees and McD employees to organize because they are all spread out all across America. It was easier for GM and Ford employees because there were thousands of them all working in the same building. Regardless, Walmart workers need to strike. But, they are so poor and stupid they don't.
And I did see something the other day where yes there is a formula that they want to have companies that are larger than 250 employees must pay their employees 1% of the profits. Something like that. I don't remember the details but it sounded good to me. Some con on here said, "socialism never works" but really I'm not talking about socialism. I'm talking about the fact that in 1978 CEO's made 30 times what the average worker made but today it's like 200 times. This is not right. Do I want the government to pass laws that force the companies to pay their workers appropriately? I guess if there was a law that would right the wrong, sure. I'd have no problem with it. Of course you cons would fight it tooth and nail. We already know your biggest concern is protecting CEO pay. Why we have no idea but clearly you don't mind that CEO pay has skyrocketed in the years that middle class wages have stagnated.
danielpalos
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We wish. What problems could any good capitalist have under our form of Capitalism, with recourse to a capital income as compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.Don’t we already do that?I would like for the Government to regulate the Rock Bottom Cost of a form of "minimum wage" that simply pays the least efficient labor market participants, to not provide labor input to the economy and take time to improve themselves and their situation, so they will be able to participate in a more beneficial and friendly manner, in our market based economy.Would you like for the government to regulate wages?The major cuts in top Income tax rates and capital gains taxes transferred the cost of operating the country to working and middle class tax payers. As these classes did not have enough money for our overseas military adventures and empire building the government borrowed the money from the wealthy, here and abroad, instead of taking it with taxation. The Republicans also discontinued tuition grants to lower and middleclass students funded by taxing the wealthy and replaced the grants with loans owned by the wealthy. They also stopped paying for the maintenance of the infrastructure and put the burden on States and Towns funded with sales and property taxes disproportionally paid by the working and middle classes.
These policies were designed and implemented in order to reduce the aggregate wealth of the lower classes and to insure a larger gap in power, exclusivity and privilege for the uber class. They have worked very well.
And this is just one example. Trickle down doesn't work bro. As we can see since Reagan the middle class has taken a major hit
Thom Hartmann: Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes
Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts
Just because I do very well in this society, doesn't mean that I'm rich. I'm certainly doing better than 90% of you but still I see that Republican policies hurt people like me and people who make less than me. It's obvious their policies benefit the rich more than they do the middle class.
You are probably like me. The way Republicans hurt the middle class doesn't affect you as much as it does a family that makes only $50,000 a year. They are fucked. Now I could pretend to be a greedy ignorant fuck like you and not give a damn and say liberals are lying but I can't get myself to be intellectually dishonest when discussing such things.
How do Republicans benefit you? And not just you. Maybe they do benefit you. How do they benefit the middle class in your state? This aught to be good.
Trickle down doesn't exist, Sealy! Anyone that's EVER run a business understands only too well that profit trickles up...not down!
The fact that you need to ASK what GOP policies do to benefit everyone with the unemployment numbers we've had for the past two plus years and all of the other positive economic numbers tells me that you're ignoring what's actually taken place!
Who gives a fuck if everyone is working if they are aren't making enough? Meanwhile their bosses are richer than ever. What happened? How come since 1970 we have gotten poorer and poorer and the rich have gotten richer and richer? I think you know what happened. The rich waged war on the middle class. We were making too much and that was cutting into corporate profits.
Most people in the U.S. are living in financially precarious circumstances. Half of all Americans have nothing put away for retirement and the vast majority of them have under $1,000 saved, total.
According to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero. Only 15 percent have over $10,000 stashed away.
For contrast, here’s how much experts say you should have saved at every age:
In your 20s: Aim to save 25 percent of your overall gross pay
By age 30: Have the equivalent of your annual salary saved
By age 35: Have twice your annual salary saved.
By age 40: Have three times your annual salary saved.
By age 45: Have four times your annual salary saved.
By age 50: Have five times your annual salary saved.
The middle class you remember when America was great was making a lot of money. The corporations didn't like that. That's why they started hiring illegals and started sending those high paying jobs overseas. And it's why they broke the unions. No coincidence that since union membership in America went from 35% of our workforce down to 9%, wages have gone down too. Why? Because labor has no say now. You are worth what the corporations say you are worth. And usually they don't think you are worth very much. But how much is the CEO worth? Well he's worth more than ever.
CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year
So are you a CEO or an idiot?
Workers unite!!!!!!Would you like for the government to regulate wages?
The major cuts in top Income tax rates and capital gains taxes transferred the cost of operating the country to working and middle class tax payers. As these classes did not have enough money for our overseas military adventures and empire building the government borrowed the money from the wealthy, here and abroad, instead of taking it with taxation. The Republicans also discontinued tuition grants to lower and middleclass students funded by taxing the wealthy and replaced the grants with loans owned by the wealthy. They also stopped paying for the maintenance of the infrastructure and put the burden on States and Towns funded with sales and property taxes disproportionally paid by the working and middle classes.
These policies were designed and implemented in order to reduce the aggregate wealth of the lower classes and to insure a larger gap in power, exclusivity and privilege for the uber class. They have worked very well.
And this is just one example. Trickle down doesn't work bro. As we can see since Reagan the middle class has taken a major hit
Thom Hartmann: Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes
Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts
Just because I do very well in this society, doesn't mean that I'm rich. I'm certainly doing better than 90% of you but still I see that Republican policies hurt people like me and people who make less than me. It's obvious their policies benefit the rich more than they do the middle class.
You are probably like me. The way Republicans hurt the middle class doesn't affect you as much as it does a family that makes only $50,000 a year. They are fucked. Now I could pretend to be a greedy ignorant fuck like you and not give a damn and say liberals are lying but I can't get myself to be intellectually dishonest when discussing such things.
How do Republicans benefit you? And not just you. Maybe they do benefit you. How do they benefit the middle class in your state? This aught to be good.
Trickle down doesn't exist, Sealy! Anyone that's EVER run a business understands only too well that profit trickles up...not down!
The fact that you need to ASK what GOP policies do to benefit everyone with the unemployment numbers we've had for the past two plus years and all of the other positive economic numbers tells me that you're ignoring what's actually taken place!
Who gives a fuck if everyone is working if they are aren't making enough? Meanwhile their bosses are richer than ever. What happened? How come since 1970 we have gotten poorer and poorer and the rich have gotten richer and richer? I think you know what happened. The rich waged war on the middle class. We were making too much and that was cutting into corporate profits.
Most people in the U.S. are living in financially precarious circumstances. Half of all Americans have nothing put away for retirement and the vast majority of them have under $1,000 saved, total.
According to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero. Only 15 percent have over $10,000 stashed away.
For contrast, here’s how much experts say you should have saved at every age:
In your 20s: Aim to save 25 percent of your overall gross pay
By age 30: Have the equivalent of your annual salary saved
By age 35: Have twice your annual salary saved.
By age 40: Have three times your annual salary saved.
By age 45: Have four times your annual salary saved.
By age 50: Have five times your annual salary saved.
The middle class you remember when America was great was making a lot of money. The corporations didn't like that. That's why they started hiring illegals and started sending those high paying jobs overseas. And it's why they broke the unions. No coincidence that since union membership in America went from 35% of our workforce down to 9%, wages have gone down too. Why? Because labor has no say now. You are worth what the corporations say you are worth. And usually they don't think you are worth very much. But how much is the CEO worth? Well he's worth more than ever.
CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year
So are you a CEO or an idiot?
No. I'd like to see unions make a comeback. Labor woke up in the past and improved the middle class perhaps they can do it again.
They say it's a lot harder for Walmart employees and McD employees to organize because they are all spread out all across America. It was easier for GM and Ford employees because there were thousands of them all working in the same building. Regardless, Walmart workers need to strike. But, they are so poor and stupid they don't.
And I did see something the other day where yes there is a formula that they want to have companies that are larger than 250 employees must pay their employees 1% of the profits. Something like that. I don't remember the details but it sounded good to me. Some con on here said, "socialism never works" but really I'm not talking about socialism. I'm talking about the fact that in 1978 CEO's made 30 times what the average worker made but today it's like 200 times. This is not right. Do I want the government to pass laws that force the companies to pay their workers appropriately? I guess if there was a law that would right the wrong, sure. I'd have no problem with it. Of course you cons would fight it tooth and nail. We already know your biggest concern is protecting CEO pay. Why we have no idea but clearly you don't mind that CEO pay has skyrocketed in the years that middle class wages have stagnated.
Who gives a fuck if everyone is working if they are aren't making enough? Meanwhile their bosses are richer than ever. What happened? How come since 1970 we have gotten poorer and poorer and the rich have gotten richer and richer? I think you know what happened. The rich waged war on the middle class. We were making too much and that was cutting into corporate profits.
Most people in the U.S. are living in financially precarious circumstances. Half of all Americans have nothing put away for retirement and the vast majority of them have under $1,000 saved, total.
According to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero. Only 15 percent have over $10,000 stashed away.
For contrast, here’s how much experts say you should have saved at every age:
In your 20s: Aim to save 25 percent of your overall gross pay
By age 30: Have the equivalent of your annual salary saved
By age 35: Have twice your annual salary saved.
By age 40: Have three times your annual salary saved.
By age 45: Have four times your annual salary saved.
By age 50: Have five times your annual salary saved.
The middle class you remember when America was great was making a lot of money. The corporations didn't like that. That's why they started hiring illegals and started sending those high paying jobs overseas. And it's why they broke the unions. No coincidence that since union membership in America went from 35% of our workforce down to 9%, wages have gone down too. Why? Because labor has no say now. You are worth what the corporations say you are worth. And usually they don't think you are worth very much. But how much is the CEO worth? Well he's worth more than ever.
CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year
So are you a CEO or an idiot?
Your stats are wonderful Sealy...but as usual you haven't thought them through! The reason that so many Americans don't have anything put away for retirement isn't that the rich waged war on the middle class...it's because The Great Recession decimated their lives savings! Record numbers of people went on unemployment for a record length of time and those people paid their bills the only way they knew how...spending the money that they'd saved. They didn't lose that money because they weren't in a union...they lost that money because Barack Obama's response to a major recession was so poor that the recession lingered on...and on...and on! People in the middle class are back working now and they're starting to save money again. You can't replace a lifetime's savings in just a few years however and the hangover from that recession will linger for a long time! What's amusing to me is watching someone like you claim that it's GOP policies that caused this! Meanwhile Barry is buying his mansion on Martha's Vineyard so he can better hang out with all of his billionaire friends but you actually think HE did something to shrink the gap in pay between the middle class and the wealthy!
Barry is rich. I'd buy a mansion too if I were rich. That doesn't mean I'd stop advocating for the middle class.
This started long before the Bush Great Recession and don't blame Barry for this.
The average CEO pay is 271 times the nearly $58,000 annual average pay of the typical American worker.
Compare that to 1978, when CEO earnings were only 30 times the typical worker’s salary.
Can you explain this? Is this also Democrats fault?
You really think Barack Obama "advocated" for the Middle Class? In what way?
You think his economic policies were designed to help the average Middle Class person working in the Private Sector? How so?
The truth is that the Middle Class took a beating during Barry's two terms! The rich got richer. The poor got more handouts. The Middle Class got abused. It's why Trump won in States like Michigan but you're too myopic to see that.
How did the rich get richer under Barry? What did he do to cause it? And what would you have done to stop it? You mean the bank bailout? Bush, McCain, Romney and Trump would have done the same thing because the bankers own our country.
What did Obama want to do? Lowering the tax burden on middle-class families, expanding access to education, job training and retirement, closing loopholes and raising taxes on capital gains had no chance of being passed with a Republican controlled house and senate.
And what did Trump do?
The Republican tax bill will exacerbate income inequality in America
The Republican tax bill will exacerbate income inequality in America
“The bill is investing heavily in the wealthy and their children.”
The Trump Tax Cuts Did One Thing: Give Rich People More Money
So don't complain about Barry doing these things but then turn around and not mind that Trump's doing exactly what you accuse Barry of doing. That would make you a hypocrite.
And what did Barry do? He got us out of the Great Recession your buddy Bush created.
You claim this was a GOP problem? Simple question for you then, Sealy...what did the Democrats do to address that issue back in 2009 when they controlled the White House, the House and the Senate? Why didn't Barry do ALL of the things you claim he wanted to do but was blocked by the GOP?
That's easy. For the same reason Trump and Republicans didn't ban abortion when they had the power to do so.
Or this. Doing that during a Great Recession wasn't possible. At the time, if you don't remember, GM and Ford employees were actually taking pay cuts in order to help their companies survive the Great Recession that Bush created. It was hardly a time to talk about paying employees more.
danielpalos
Diamond Member
- Banned
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We simply didn't have a good grasp of economics back then, now we do. Only capital has to circulate under Capitalism.I would like for the Government to regulate the Rock Bottom Cost of a form of "minimum wage" that simply pays the least efficient labor market participants, to not provide labor input to the economy and take time to improve themselves and their situation, so they will be able to participate in a more beneficial and friendly manner, in our market based economy.Would you like for the government to regulate wages?The major cuts in top Income tax rates and capital gains taxes transferred the cost of operating the country to working and middle class tax payers. As these classes did not have enough money for our overseas military adventures and empire building the government borrowed the money from the wealthy, here and abroad, instead of taking it with taxation. The Republicans also discontinued tuition grants to lower and middleclass students funded by taxing the wealthy and replaced the grants with loans owned by the wealthy. They also stopped paying for the maintenance of the infrastructure and put the burden on States and Towns funded with sales and property taxes disproportionally paid by the working and middle classes.
These policies were designed and implemented in order to reduce the aggregate wealth of the lower classes and to insure a larger gap in power, exclusivity and privilege for the uber class. They have worked very well.
And this is just one example. Trickle down doesn't work bro. As we can see since Reagan the middle class has taken a major hit
Thom Hartmann: Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes
Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts
Just because I do very well in this society, doesn't mean that I'm rich. I'm certainly doing better than 90% of you but still I see that Republican policies hurt people like me and people who make less than me. It's obvious their policies benefit the rich more than they do the middle class.
You are probably like me. The way Republicans hurt the middle class doesn't affect you as much as it does a family that makes only $50,000 a year. They are fucked. Now I could pretend to be a greedy ignorant fuck like you and not give a damn and say liberals are lying but I can't get myself to be intellectually dishonest when discussing such things.
How do Republicans benefit you? And not just you. Maybe they do benefit you. How do they benefit the middle class in your state? This aught to be good.
Trickle down doesn't exist, Sealy! Anyone that's EVER run a business understands only too well that profit trickles up...not down!
The fact that you need to ASK what GOP policies do to benefit everyone with the unemployment numbers we've had for the past two plus years and all of the other positive economic numbers tells me that you're ignoring what's actually taken place!
Who gives a fuck if everyone is working if they are aren't making enough? Meanwhile their bosses are richer than ever. What happened? How come since 1970 we have gotten poorer and poorer and the rich have gotten richer and richer? I think you know what happened. The rich waged war on the middle class. We were making too much and that was cutting into corporate profits.
Most people in the U.S. are living in financially precarious circumstances. Half of all Americans have nothing put away for retirement and the vast majority of them have under $1,000 saved, total.
According to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero. Only 15 percent have over $10,000 stashed away.
For contrast, here’s how much experts say you should have saved at every age:
In your 20s: Aim to save 25 percent of your overall gross pay
By age 30: Have the equivalent of your annual salary saved
By age 35: Have twice your annual salary saved.
By age 40: Have three times your annual salary saved.
By age 45: Have four times your annual salary saved.
By age 50: Have five times your annual salary saved.
The middle class you remember when America was great was making a lot of money. The corporations didn't like that. That's why they started hiring illegals and started sending those high paying jobs overseas. And it's why they broke the unions. No coincidence that since union membership in America went from 35% of our workforce down to 9%, wages have gone down too. Why? Because labor has no say now. You are worth what the corporations say you are worth. And usually they don't think you are worth very much. But how much is the CEO worth? Well he's worth more than ever.
CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year
So are you a CEO or an idiot?
So you want the "dole"? Here's the thing, Daniel...long experience has shown that giving people money without having to do anything FOR that money leads to an underclass that doesn't improve themselves or their situation! One that becomes more and more dependent while contributing less and less to society!
It is not a "dole" but capital Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.
We could be solving simple poverty at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage.
Would you like for the government to regulate wages?
The major cuts in top Income tax rates and capital gains taxes transferred the cost of operating the country to working and middle class tax payers. As these classes did not have enough money for our overseas military adventures and empire building the government borrowed the money from the wealthy, here and abroad, instead of taking it with taxation. The Republicans also discontinued tuition grants to lower and middleclass students funded by taxing the wealthy and replaced the grants with loans owned by the wealthy. They also stopped paying for the maintenance of the infrastructure and put the burden on States and Towns funded with sales and property taxes disproportionally paid by the working and middle classes.
These policies were designed and implemented in order to reduce the aggregate wealth of the lower classes and to insure a larger gap in power, exclusivity and privilege for the uber class. They have worked very well.
And this is just one example. Trickle down doesn't work bro. As we can see since Reagan the middle class has taken a major hit
Thom Hartmann: Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes
Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts
Just because I do very well in this society, doesn't mean that I'm rich. I'm certainly doing better than 90% of you but still I see that Republican policies hurt people like me and people who make less than me. It's obvious their policies benefit the rich more than they do the middle class.
You are probably like me. The way Republicans hurt the middle class doesn't affect you as much as it does a family that makes only $50,000 a year. They are fucked. Now I could pretend to be a greedy ignorant fuck like you and not give a damn and say liberals are lying but I can't get myself to be intellectually dishonest when discussing such things.
How do Republicans benefit you? And not just you. Maybe they do benefit you. How do they benefit the middle class in your state? This aught to be good.
Trickle down doesn't exist, Sealy! Anyone that's EVER run a business understands only too well that profit trickles up...not down!
The fact that you need to ASK what GOP policies do to benefit everyone with the unemployment numbers we've had for the past two plus years and all of the other positive economic numbers tells me that you're ignoring what's actually taken place!
Who gives a fuck if everyone is working if they are aren't making enough? Meanwhile their bosses are richer than ever. What happened? How come since 1970 we have gotten poorer and poorer and the rich have gotten richer and richer? I think you know what happened. The rich waged war on the middle class. We were making too much and that was cutting into corporate profits.
Most people in the U.S. are living in financially precarious circumstances. Half of all Americans have nothing put away for retirement and the vast majority of them have under $1,000 saved, total.
According to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero. Only 15 percent have over $10,000 stashed away.
For contrast, here’s how much experts say you should have saved at every age:
In your 20s: Aim to save 25 percent of your overall gross pay
By age 30: Have the equivalent of your annual salary saved
By age 35: Have twice your annual salary saved.
By age 40: Have three times your annual salary saved.
By age 45: Have four times your annual salary saved.
By age 50: Have five times your annual salary saved.
The middle class you remember when America was great was making a lot of money. The corporations didn't like that. That's why they started hiring illegals and started sending those high paying jobs overseas. And it's why they broke the unions. No coincidence that since union membership in America went from 35% of our workforce down to 9%, wages have gone down too. Why? Because labor has no say now. You are worth what the corporations say you are worth. And usually they don't think you are worth very much. But how much is the CEO worth? Well he's worth more than ever.
CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year
So are you a CEO or an idiot?
No. I'd like to see unions make a comeback. Labor woke up in the past and improved the middle class perhaps they can do it again.
They say it's a lot harder for Walmart employees and McD employees to organize because they are all spread out all across America. It was easier for GM and Ford employees because there were thousands of them all working in the same building. Regardless, Walmart workers need to strike. But, they are so poor and stupid they don't.
And I did see something the other day where yes there is a formula that they want to have companies that are larger than 250 employees must pay their employees 1% of the profits. Something like that. I don't remember the details but it sounded good to me. Some con on here said, "socialism never works" but really I'm not talking about socialism. I'm talking about the fact that in 1978 CEO's made 30 times what the average worker made but today it's like 200 times. This is not right. Do I want the government to pass laws that force the companies to pay their workers appropriately? I guess if there was a law that would right the wrong, sure. I'd have no problem with it. Of course you cons would fight it tooth and nail. We already know your biggest concern is protecting CEO pay. Why we have no idea but clearly you don't mind that CEO pay has skyrocketed in the years that middle class wages have stagnated.
Once again, Sealy...did CEO pay go up or down when you liberals controlled Washington? Forget all the rhetoric you're spewing...let's talk reality! Did CEO pay go up or down when Barack Obama was President?
I would like for the Government to regulate the Rock Bottom Cost of a form of "minimum wage" that simply pays the least efficient labor market participants, to not provide labor input to the economy and take time to improve themselves and their situation, so they will be able to participate in a more beneficial and friendly manner, in our market based economy.Would you like for the government to regulate wages?The major cuts in top Income tax rates and capital gains taxes transferred the cost of operating the country to working and middle class tax payers. As these classes did not have enough money for our overseas military adventures and empire building the government borrowed the money from the wealthy, here and abroad, instead of taking it with taxation. The Republicans also discontinued tuition grants to lower and middleclass students funded by taxing the wealthy and replaced the grants with loans owned by the wealthy. They also stopped paying for the maintenance of the infrastructure and put the burden on States and Towns funded with sales and property taxes disproportionally paid by the working and middle classes.
These policies were designed and implemented in order to reduce the aggregate wealth of the lower classes and to insure a larger gap in power, exclusivity and privilege for the uber class. They have worked very well.
And this is just one example. Trickle down doesn't work bro. As we can see since Reagan the middle class has taken a major hit
Thom Hartmann: Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes
Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts
Just because I do very well in this society, doesn't mean that I'm rich. I'm certainly doing better than 90% of you but still I see that Republican policies hurt people like me and people who make less than me. It's obvious their policies benefit the rich more than they do the middle class.
You are probably like me. The way Republicans hurt the middle class doesn't affect you as much as it does a family that makes only $50,000 a year. They are fucked. Now I could pretend to be a greedy ignorant fuck like you and not give a damn and say liberals are lying but I can't get myself to be intellectually dishonest when discussing such things.
How do Republicans benefit you? And not just you. Maybe they do benefit you. How do they benefit the middle class in your state? This aught to be good.
Trickle down doesn't exist, Sealy! Anyone that's EVER run a business understands only too well that profit trickles up...not down!
The fact that you need to ASK what GOP policies do to benefit everyone with the unemployment numbers we've had for the past two plus years and all of the other positive economic numbers tells me that you're ignoring what's actually taken place!
Who gives a fuck if everyone is working if they are aren't making enough? Meanwhile their bosses are richer than ever. What happened? How come since 1970 we have gotten poorer and poorer and the rich have gotten richer and richer? I think you know what happened. The rich waged war on the middle class. We were making too much and that was cutting into corporate profits.
Most people in the U.S. are living in financially precarious circumstances. Half of all Americans have nothing put away for retirement and the vast majority of them have under $1,000 saved, total.
According to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero. Only 15 percent have over $10,000 stashed away.
For contrast, here’s how much experts say you should have saved at every age:
In your 20s: Aim to save 25 percent of your overall gross pay
By age 30: Have the equivalent of your annual salary saved
By age 35: Have twice your annual salary saved.
By age 40: Have three times your annual salary saved.
By age 45: Have four times your annual salary saved.
By age 50: Have five times your annual salary saved.
The middle class you remember when America was great was making a lot of money. The corporations didn't like that. That's why they started hiring illegals and started sending those high paying jobs overseas. And it's why they broke the unions. No coincidence that since union membership in America went from 35% of our workforce down to 9%, wages have gone down too. Why? Because labor has no say now. You are worth what the corporations say you are worth. And usually they don't think you are worth very much. But how much is the CEO worth? Well he's worth more than ever.
CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year
So are you a CEO or an idiot?
So you want the "dole"? Here's the thing, Daniel...long experience has shown that giving people money without having to do anything FOR that money leads to an underclass that doesn't improve themselves or their situation! One that becomes more and more dependent while contributing less and less to society!
I'll agree 100% on that one. What he is suggesting is ridiculous.
We simply didn't have a good grasp of economics back then, now we do. Only capital has to circulate under Capitalism.I would like for the Government to regulate the Rock Bottom Cost of a form of "minimum wage" that simply pays the least efficient labor market participants, to not provide labor input to the economy and take time to improve themselves and their situation, so they will be able to participate in a more beneficial and friendly manner, in our market based economy.Would you like for the government to regulate wages?Trickle down doesn't exist, Sealy! Anyone that's EVER run a business understands only too well that profit trickles up...not down!
The fact that you need to ASK what GOP policies do to benefit everyone with the unemployment numbers we've had for the past two plus years and all of the other positive economic numbers tells me that you're ignoring what's actually taken place!
Who gives a fuck if everyone is working if they are aren't making enough? Meanwhile their bosses are richer than ever. What happened? How come since 1970 we have gotten poorer and poorer and the rich have gotten richer and richer? I think you know what happened. The rich waged war on the middle class. We were making too much and that was cutting into corporate profits.
Most people in the U.S. are living in financially precarious circumstances. Half of all Americans have nothing put away for retirement and the vast majority of them have under $1,000 saved, total.
According to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero. Only 15 percent have over $10,000 stashed away.
For contrast, here’s how much experts say you should have saved at every age:
In your 20s: Aim to save 25 percent of your overall gross pay
By age 30: Have the equivalent of your annual salary saved
By age 35: Have twice your annual salary saved.
By age 40: Have three times your annual salary saved.
By age 45: Have four times your annual salary saved.
By age 50: Have five times your annual salary saved.
The middle class you remember when America was great was making a lot of money. The corporations didn't like that. That's why they started hiring illegals and started sending those high paying jobs overseas. And it's why they broke the unions. No coincidence that since union membership in America went from 35% of our workforce down to 9%, wages have gone down too. Why? Because labor has no say now. You are worth what the corporations say you are worth. And usually they don't think you are worth very much. But how much is the CEO worth? Well he's worth more than ever.
CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year
So are you a CEO or an idiot?
So you want the "dole"? Here's the thing, Daniel...long experience has shown that giving people money without having to do anything FOR that money leads to an underclass that doesn't improve themselves or their situation! One that becomes more and more dependent while contributing less and less to society!
It is not a "dole" but capital Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.
We could be solving simple poverty at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage.
Call it whatever you like, Daniel...it's the "dole"! Why is it when policy that you liberals espouse fails...you think you can rename it and that it will work this time?
Would you like for the government to regulate wages?The major cuts in top Income tax rates and capital gains taxes transferred the cost of operating the country to working and middle class tax payers. As these classes did not have enough money for our overseas military adventures and empire building the government borrowed the money from the wealthy, here and abroad, instead of taking it with taxation. The Republicans also discontinued tuition grants to lower and middleclass students funded by taxing the wealthy and replaced the grants with loans owned by the wealthy. They also stopped paying for the maintenance of the infrastructure and put the burden on States and Towns funded with sales and property taxes disproportionally paid by the working and middle classes.
These policies were designed and implemented in order to reduce the aggregate wealth of the lower classes and to insure a larger gap in power, exclusivity and privilege for the uber class. They have worked very well.
And this is just one example. Trickle down doesn't work bro. As we can see since Reagan the middle class has taken a major hit
Thom Hartmann: Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes
Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts
Just because I do very well in this society, doesn't mean that I'm rich. I'm certainly doing better than 90% of you but still I see that Republican policies hurt people like me and people who make less than me. It's obvious their policies benefit the rich more than they do the middle class.
You are probably like me. The way Republicans hurt the middle class doesn't affect you as much as it does a family that makes only $50,000 a year. They are fucked. Now I could pretend to be a greedy ignorant fuck like you and not give a damn and say liberals are lying but I can't get myself to be intellectually dishonest when discussing such things.
How do Republicans benefit you? And not just you. Maybe they do benefit you. How do they benefit the middle class in your state? This aught to be good.
Trickle down doesn't exist, Sealy! Anyone that's EVER run a business understands only too well that profit trickles up...not down!
The fact that you need to ASK what GOP policies do to benefit everyone with the unemployment numbers we've had for the past two plus years and all of the other positive economic numbers tells me that you're ignoring what's actually taken place!
Who gives a fuck if everyone is working if they are aren't making enough? Meanwhile their bosses are richer than ever. What happened? How come since 1970 we have gotten poorer and poorer and the rich have gotten richer and richer? I think you know what happened. The rich waged war on the middle class. We were making too much and that was cutting into corporate profits.
Most people in the U.S. are living in financially precarious circumstances. Half of all Americans have nothing put away for retirement and the vast majority of them have under $1,000 saved, total.
According to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero. Only 15 percent have over $10,000 stashed away.
For contrast, here’s how much experts say you should have saved at every age:
In your 20s: Aim to save 25 percent of your overall gross pay
By age 30: Have the equivalent of your annual salary saved
By age 35: Have twice your annual salary saved.
By age 40: Have three times your annual salary saved.
By age 45: Have four times your annual salary saved.
By age 50: Have five times your annual salary saved.
The middle class you remember when America was great was making a lot of money. The corporations didn't like that. That's why they started hiring illegals and started sending those high paying jobs overseas. And it's why they broke the unions. No coincidence that since union membership in America went from 35% of our workforce down to 9%, wages have gone down too. Why? Because labor has no say now. You are worth what the corporations say you are worth. And usually they don't think you are worth very much. But how much is the CEO worth? Well he's worth more than ever.
CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year
So are you a CEO or an idiot?
No. I'd like to see unions make a comeback. Labor woke up in the past and improved the middle class perhaps they can do it again.
They say it's a lot harder for Walmart employees and McD employees to organize because they are all spread out all across America. It was easier for GM and Ford employees because there were thousands of them all working in the same building. Regardless, Walmart workers need to strike. But, they are so poor and stupid they don't.
And I did see something the other day where yes there is a formula that they want to have companies that are larger than 250 employees must pay their employees 1% of the profits. Something like that. I don't remember the details but it sounded good to me. Some con on here said, "socialism never works" but really I'm not talking about socialism. I'm talking about the fact that in 1978 CEO's made 30 times what the average worker made but today it's like 200 times. This is not right. Do I want the government to pass laws that force the companies to pay their workers appropriately? I guess if there was a law that would right the wrong, sure. I'd have no problem with it. Of course you cons would fight it tooth and nail. We already know your biggest concern is protecting CEO pay. Why we have no idea but clearly you don't mind that CEO pay has skyrocketed in the years that middle class wages have stagnated.
Once again, Sealy...did CEO pay go up or down when you liberals controlled Washington? Forget all the rhetoric you're spewing...let's talk reality! Did CEO pay go up or down when Barack Obama was President?
It went up. What should we have done about it? What would you do about it if you were in charge? The answer is, NOTHING. You're ok with it.
So maybe Obama wasn't liberal enough. Are you going to vote for Bernie or Elizabeth Warren? They'll try and do something about it. Guess who will fight them every step? You and Republicans. Am I right?
Would you like for the government to regulate wages?The major cuts in top Income tax rates and capital gains taxes transferred the cost of operating the country to working and middle class tax payers. As these classes did not have enough money for our overseas military adventures and empire building the government borrowed the money from the wealthy, here and abroad, instead of taking it with taxation. The Republicans also discontinued tuition grants to lower and middleclass students funded by taxing the wealthy and replaced the grants with loans owned by the wealthy. They also stopped paying for the maintenance of the infrastructure and put the burden on States and Towns funded with sales and property taxes disproportionally paid by the working and middle classes.
These policies were designed and implemented in order to reduce the aggregate wealth of the lower classes and to insure a larger gap in power, exclusivity and privilege for the uber class. They have worked very well.
And this is just one example. Trickle down doesn't work bro. As we can see since Reagan the middle class has taken a major hit
Thom Hartmann: Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes
Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts
Just because I do very well in this society, doesn't mean that I'm rich. I'm certainly doing better than 90% of you but still I see that Republican policies hurt people like me and people who make less than me. It's obvious their policies benefit the rich more than they do the middle class.
You are probably like me. The way Republicans hurt the middle class doesn't affect you as much as it does a family that makes only $50,000 a year. They are fucked. Now I could pretend to be a greedy ignorant fuck like you and not give a damn and say liberals are lying but I can't get myself to be intellectually dishonest when discussing such things.
How do Republicans benefit you? And not just you. Maybe they do benefit you. How do they benefit the middle class in your state? This aught to be good.
Trickle down doesn't exist, Sealy! Anyone that's EVER run a business understands only too well that profit trickles up...not down!
The fact that you need to ASK what GOP policies do to benefit everyone with the unemployment numbers we've had for the past two plus years and all of the other positive economic numbers tells me that you're ignoring what's actually taken place!
Who gives a fuck if everyone is working if they are aren't making enough? Meanwhile their bosses are richer than ever. What happened? How come since 1970 we have gotten poorer and poorer and the rich have gotten richer and richer? I think you know what happened. The rich waged war on the middle class. We were making too much and that was cutting into corporate profits.
Most people in the U.S. are living in financially precarious circumstances. Half of all Americans have nothing put away for retirement and the vast majority of them have under $1,000 saved, total.
According to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero. Only 15 percent have over $10,000 stashed away.
For contrast, here’s how much experts say you should have saved at every age:
In your 20s: Aim to save 25 percent of your overall gross pay
By age 30: Have the equivalent of your annual salary saved
By age 35: Have twice your annual salary saved.
By age 40: Have three times your annual salary saved.
By age 45: Have four times your annual salary saved.
By age 50: Have five times your annual salary saved.
The middle class you remember when America was great was making a lot of money. The corporations didn't like that. That's why they started hiring illegals and started sending those high paying jobs overseas. And it's why they broke the unions. No coincidence that since union membership in America went from 35% of our workforce down to 9%, wages have gone down too. Why? Because labor has no say now. You are worth what the corporations say you are worth. And usually they don't think you are worth very much. But how much is the CEO worth? Well he's worth more than ever.
CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year
So are you a CEO or an idiot?
No. I'd like to see unions make a comeback. Labor woke up in the past and improved the middle class perhaps they can do it again.
They say it's a lot harder for Walmart employees and McD employees to organize because they are all spread out all across America. It was easier for GM and Ford employees because there were thousands of them all working in the same building. Regardless, Walmart workers need to strike. But, they are so poor and stupid they don't.
And I did see something the other day where yes there is a formula that they want to have companies that are larger than 250 employees must pay their employees 1% of the profits. Something like that. I don't remember the details but it sounded good to me. Some con on here said, "socialism never works" but really I'm not talking about socialism. I'm talking about the fact that in 1978 CEO's made 30 times what the average worker made but today it's like 200 times. This is not right. Do I want the government to pass laws that force the companies to pay their workers appropriately? I guess if there was a law that would right the wrong, sure. I'd have no problem with it. Of course you cons would fight it tooth and nail. We already know your biggest concern is protecting CEO pay. Why we have no idea but clearly you don't mind that CEO pay has skyrocketed in the years that middle class wages have stagnated.
Once again, Sealy...did CEO pay go up or down when you liberals controlled Washington? Forget all the rhetoric you're spewing...let's talk reality! Did CEO pay go up or down when Barack Obama was President?
He may have picked a really ineffective time to do it, given America’s accelerating economic boom and near-record employment, and rising wages, but that isn’t stopping U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders from challenging four of the nation’s most prominent CEOs over their compensation policies.
In a series of letters, the Democratic icon from Vermont, and failed presidential candidate in 2016, called out Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, Walmart CEO Doug McMillon, McDonald’s CEO Steve Easterbrook, and Walt Disney CEO Bob Iger, inviting the four to come to Washington, D.C., on July 16 to participate in a live-streamed “town hall” meeting during which they would be grilled to justify how much they are paid.
“I really hope [the CEOs] have the guts to sit on a panel with their own employees and explain why it’s acceptable that they receive huge compensation packages while their very own workers are struggling to put food on the table,” Sanders said in an interview with CNN. “I hope they have the courage to do so. The invitation is sincere.” There was no early word on whether any of the chiefs would accept.
CEO-to-employee pay ratios have been a major plank in the Sanders platform for a long time, and he made income inequality his biggest issue to rally young workers (and voters) when he ran against Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016.
Your stats are wonderful Sealy...but as usual you haven't thought them through! The reason that so many Americans don't have anything put away for retirement isn't that the rich waged war on the middle class...it's because The Great Recession decimated their lives savings! Record numbers of people went on unemployment for a record length of time and those people paid their bills the only way they knew how...spending the money that they'd saved. They didn't lose that money because they weren't in a union...they lost that money because Barack Obama's response to a major recession was so poor that the recession lingered on...and on...and on! People in the middle class are back working now and they're starting to save money again. You can't replace a lifetime's savings in just a few years however and the hangover from that recession will linger for a long time! What's amusing to me is watching someone like you claim that it's GOP policies that caused this! Meanwhile Barry is buying his mansion on Martha's Vineyard so he can better hang out with all of his billionaire friends but you actually think HE did something to shrink the gap in pay between the middle class and the wealthy!
Barry is rich. I'd buy a mansion too if I were rich. That doesn't mean I'd stop advocating for the middle class.
This started long before the Bush Great Recession and don't blame Barry for this.
The average CEO pay is 271 times the nearly $58,000 annual average pay of the typical American worker.
Compare that to 1978, when CEO earnings were only 30 times the typical worker’s salary.
Can you explain this? Is this also Democrats fault?
You really think Barack Obama "advocated" for the Middle Class? In what way?
You think his economic policies were designed to help the average Middle Class person working in the Private Sector? How so?
The truth is that the Middle Class took a beating during Barry's two terms! The rich got richer. The poor got more handouts. The Middle Class got abused. It's why Trump won in States like Michigan but you're too myopic to see that.
How did the rich get richer under Barry? What did he do to cause it? And what would you have done to stop it? You mean the bank bailout? Bush, McCain, Romney and Trump would have done the same thing because the bankers own our country.
What did Obama want to do? Lowering the tax burden on middle-class families, expanding access to education, job training and retirement, closing loopholes and raising taxes on capital gains had no chance of being passed with a Republican controlled house and senate.
And what did Trump do?
The Republican tax bill will exacerbate income inequality in America
The Republican tax bill will exacerbate income inequality in America
“The bill is investing heavily in the wealthy and their children.”
The Trump Tax Cuts Did One Thing: Give Rich People More Money
So don't complain about Barry doing these things but then turn around and not mind that Trump's doing exactly what you accuse Barry of doing. That would make you a hypocrite.
And what did Barry do? He got us out of the Great Recession your buddy Bush created.
You claim this was a GOP problem? Simple question for you then, Sealy...what did the Democrats do to address that issue back in 2009 when they controlled the White House, the House and the Senate? Why didn't Barry do ALL of the things you claim he wanted to do but was blocked by the GOP?
That's easy. For the same reason Trump and Republicans didn't ban abortion when they had the power to do so.
Or this. Doing that during a Great Recession wasn't possible. At the time, if you don't remember, GM and Ford employees were actually taking pay cuts in order to help their companies survive the Great Recession that Bush created. It was hardly a time to talk about paying employees more.
Wow...was that ever a pathetic attempt at deflection! Trump and the GOP didn't ban abortion because the majority of Republicans don't wish to ban abortion! Of course you on the left attempted to scare the shit out of everyone by claiming that we wanted to...just as you claim we want to do away with Social Security every time we ask that it be fixed!
Why was it possible to pass ObamaCare during The Great Recession but it wasn't possible to address CEO pay?
Would you like for the government to regulate wages?The major cuts in top Income tax rates and capital gains taxes transferred the cost of operating the country to working and middle class tax payers. As these classes did not have enough money for our overseas military adventures and empire building the government borrowed the money from the wealthy, here and abroad, instead of taking it with taxation. The Republicans also discontinued tuition grants to lower and middleclass students funded by taxing the wealthy and replaced the grants with loans owned by the wealthy. They also stopped paying for the maintenance of the infrastructure and put the burden on States and Towns funded with sales and property taxes disproportionally paid by the working and middle classes.
These policies were designed and implemented in order to reduce the aggregate wealth of the lower classes and to insure a larger gap in power, exclusivity and privilege for the uber class. They have worked very well.
And this is just one example. Trickle down doesn't work bro. As we can see since Reagan the middle class has taken a major hit
Thom Hartmann: Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes
Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts
Just because I do very well in this society, doesn't mean that I'm rich. I'm certainly doing better than 90% of you but still I see that Republican policies hurt people like me and people who make less than me. It's obvious their policies benefit the rich more than they do the middle class.
You are probably like me. The way Republicans hurt the middle class doesn't affect you as much as it does a family that makes only $50,000 a year. They are fucked. Now I could pretend to be a greedy ignorant fuck like you and not give a damn and say liberals are lying but I can't get myself to be intellectually dishonest when discussing such things.
How do Republicans benefit you? And not just you. Maybe they do benefit you. How do they benefit the middle class in your state? This aught to be good.
Trickle down doesn't exist, Sealy! Anyone that's EVER run a business understands only too well that profit trickles up...not down!
The fact that you need to ASK what GOP policies do to benefit everyone with the unemployment numbers we've had for the past two plus years and all of the other positive economic numbers tells me that you're ignoring what's actually taken place!
Who gives a fuck if everyone is working if they are aren't making enough? Meanwhile their bosses are richer than ever. What happened? How come since 1970 we have gotten poorer and poorer and the rich have gotten richer and richer? I think you know what happened. The rich waged war on the middle class. We were making too much and that was cutting into corporate profits.
Most people in the U.S. are living in financially precarious circumstances. Half of all Americans have nothing put away for retirement and the vast majority of them have under $1,000 saved, total.
According to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero. Only 15 percent have over $10,000 stashed away.
For contrast, here’s how much experts say you should have saved at every age:
In your 20s: Aim to save 25 percent of your overall gross pay
By age 30: Have the equivalent of your annual salary saved
By age 35: Have twice your annual salary saved.
By age 40: Have three times your annual salary saved.
By age 45: Have four times your annual salary saved.
By age 50: Have five times your annual salary saved.
The middle class you remember when America was great was making a lot of money. The corporations didn't like that. That's why they started hiring illegals and started sending those high paying jobs overseas. And it's why they broke the unions. No coincidence that since union membership in America went from 35% of our workforce down to 9%, wages have gone down too. Why? Because labor has no say now. You are worth what the corporations say you are worth. And usually they don't think you are worth very much. But how much is the CEO worth? Well he's worth more than ever.
CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year
So are you a CEO or an idiot?
No. I'd like to see unions make a comeback. Labor woke up in the past and improved the middle class perhaps they can do it again.
They say it's a lot harder for Walmart employees and McD employees to organize because they are all spread out all across America. It was easier for GM and Ford employees because there were thousands of them all working in the same building. Regardless, Walmart workers need to strike. But, they are so poor and stupid they don't.
And I did see something the other day where yes there is a formula that they want to have companies that are larger than 250 employees must pay their employees 1% of the profits. Something like that. I don't remember the details but it sounded good to me. Some con on here said, "socialism never works" but really I'm not talking about socialism. I'm talking about the fact that in 1978 CEO's made 30 times what the average worker made but today it's like 200 times. This is not right. Do I want the government to pass laws that force the companies to pay their workers appropriately? I guess if there was a law that would right the wrong, sure. I'd have no problem with it. Of course you cons would fight it tooth and nail. We already know your biggest concern is protecting CEO pay. Why we have no idea but clearly you don't mind that CEO pay has skyrocketed in the years that middle class wages have stagnated.
Once again, Sealy...did CEO pay go up or down when you liberals controlled Washington? Forget all the rhetoric you're spewing...let's talk reality! Did CEO pay go up or down when Barack Obama was President?
I found something.
The Obama administration adopted a new rule in 2015 requiring companies to report how the annual total compensation of the CEO compares with the median of the annual total compensation of their employees, the idea being to provide more insight into income inequality.
If only CEO pay were lower everything would be ok?
If only the CEO pay were lower and the average worker's pay was higher, everything would be better for the American middle class.
Do some math would ya?If only CEO pay were lower everything would be ok?
If only the CEO pay were lower and the average worker's pay was higher, everything would be better for the American middle class.
Barry is rich. I'd buy a mansion too if I were rich. That doesn't mean I'd stop advocating for the middle class.
This started long before the Bush Great Recession and don't blame Barry for this.
The average CEO pay is 271 times the nearly $58,000 annual average pay of the typical American worker.
Compare that to 1978, when CEO earnings were only 30 times the typical worker’s salary.
Can you explain this? Is this also Democrats fault?
You really think Barack Obama "advocated" for the Middle Class? In what way?
You think his economic policies were designed to help the average Middle Class person working in the Private Sector? How so?
The truth is that the Middle Class took a beating during Barry's two terms! The rich got richer. The poor got more handouts. The Middle Class got abused. It's why Trump won in States like Michigan but you're too myopic to see that.
How did the rich get richer under Barry? What did he do to cause it? And what would you have done to stop it? You mean the bank bailout? Bush, McCain, Romney and Trump would have done the same thing because the bankers own our country.
What did Obama want to do? Lowering the tax burden on middle-class families, expanding access to education, job training and retirement, closing loopholes and raising taxes on capital gains had no chance of being passed with a Republican controlled house and senate.
And what did Trump do?
The Republican tax bill will exacerbate income inequality in America
The Republican tax bill will exacerbate income inequality in America
“The bill is investing heavily in the wealthy and their children.”
The Trump Tax Cuts Did One Thing: Give Rich People More Money
So don't complain about Barry doing these things but then turn around and not mind that Trump's doing exactly what you accuse Barry of doing. That would make you a hypocrite.
And what did Barry do? He got us out of the Great Recession your buddy Bush created.
You claim this was a GOP problem? Simple question for you then, Sealy...what did the Democrats do to address that issue back in 2009 when they controlled the White House, the House and the Senate? Why didn't Barry do ALL of the things you claim he wanted to do but was blocked by the GOP?
That's easy. For the same reason Trump and Republicans didn't ban abortion when they had the power to do so.
Or this. Doing that during a Great Recession wasn't possible. At the time, if you don't remember, GM and Ford employees were actually taking pay cuts in order to help their companies survive the Great Recession that Bush created. It was hardly a time to talk about paying employees more.
Wow...was that ever a pathetic attempt at deflection! Trump and the GOP didn't ban abortion because the majority of Republicans don't wish to ban abortion! Of course you on the left attempted to scare the shit out of everyone by claiming that we wanted to...just as you claim we want to do away with Social Security every time we ask that it be fixed!
Why was it possible to pass ObamaCare during The Great Recession but it wasn't possible to address CEO pay?
But you guys do want to ban abortion and do away with social security. I defy you to find one Republicans here on USMB that likes social programs like social security. I mean besides yourself.
The majority of Republicans say abortion is murder. You're now telling me the majority of Republicans don't want to ban murdering children? I didn't know.
Do some math would ya?If only CEO pay were lower everything would be ok?
If only the CEO pay were lower and the average worker's pay was higher, everything would be better for the American middle class.
Well seeing as how most of the time I find you talking about an imaginary friend you believe in, I don't take anything you say too seriously. This is why I say religion makes people stupid. You're proof of that.
Let’s say a company has 50,000 employees and the CEO gets a $21,000,000 compensation package with pay, bonus and stock options. Now let’s say we reduce his package to 1 million bucks and give the difference to the 50,000 employees. That’s a whopping $400 increase in pay per employee.
Wow, that really made a difference.
Wow, that really made a difference.
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