What The Mueller Report ACTUALLY States

[caddo kid]

the other member asked a question; I replied

And I asked you a simple question, too, but you won't answer....

You have waited 3 years for Mueller to deliver, for Trump to be Impeached, for Trump to be dragged from the WH in chains...

HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT?

You missed the good part of my quote: Couldn't stand the truth, huh?


Also, If you would have read the report, you would have seen this, from page 213.

First, a traditional prosecution or declination decision entails a binary determination to initiate or decline a prosecution, but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment.

Knowing this there is no doubt that the SC was never going to bring any indictment against Trump, and that is beside the OLC consideration that does not allow for the indictment of s sitting POTUS.

You & 99% of everyone in this thread could learn something but you are too fucking bull headed ..........

Forget the BS about not being able to indict a President - there was no real evidence to indict. Prosecutors in the past have not refused to declare if a crime was committed or not. Mueller is not a pu$$y - he CHOSE to make a no-call because he knew there was no evidence to prosecute.

You're talking about a man who withheld evidence to send an innocent man to jail once.

You pricks continue to accuse Trump and GOP what Democrats have already done & protected them from indictment for.
-- Hillary attempted to destroy official / classified SUBPOENAED documents / files, illegally destroyed official subpoenaed devices, SIM cards, and attempted to wipe her hard drive on which they recoovered over 15000 pieces of criminal evidence she attempted to destroy...and you liars and traitor defenders still claim she did nothing illegal....WTF? The only people you try to convince with that BS is yourself es.

You would not know obstruction if Hillary burned a subpoenaed document / cell phone in front of you.....

Of course back to my simple question you still refuse to answer.....how is that 3 years of working out for you?

-The coup failed and was exposed.

- The US AG is now investigating the exposed crimes

- The traitors are turning on each other

- The DC Circuit Court's recent decision proved Nadler and Pelosi demanded the US AG break the law by releasing Grand Jury info them illegally held him in Contempt for refusing to obey their order to break the law.

- Mueller is out of a job

- Trump is still President

Mueller agreed with current DOJ guide lines that the OLC consideration does not allow for the indictment of a sitting POTUS.

Just because you don't agree with that does not make a difference.

Mueller sighted enumerable case law to make a case for the obstruction issue against POTUS Trump.

You obviously are not familiar with the information within Mueller's report but then I don't expect you to be honest because you support a fucking asshole liar, Trump.

And Trump is just as dishonest as your worthless, dishonest ass.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Mueller sighted enumerable case law to make a case for the obstruction issue against POTUS Trump.

Why do you refuse to understand Mueller said isn't possible to prove a corruptible motive and thus, obstruction?

 

[caddo kid]

You missed the good part of my quote: Couldn't stand the truth, huh?


Also, If you would have read the report, you would have seen this, from page 213.

First, a traditional prosecution or declination decision entails a binary determination to initiate or decline a prosecution, but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment.

Knowing this there is no doubt that the SC was never going to bring any indictment against Trump, and that is beside the OLC consideration that does not allow for the indictment of s sitting POTUS.

You & 99% of everyone in this thread could learn something but you are too fucking bull headed ..........

But sadly, you're not competent to translate it. Here you go:
"I couldn't find a shred of evidence to prosecute President Trump for anything, but I'm too much of a pussy to admit it. I know I didn't do my job, but at least this way you Dems can try to keep this hoax alive."

That wasn't in the report ass wipe but nice try, Melania ...................

 

[caddo kid]

There seems to be some confusion concerning what the SC Mueller report actually contains.

Many here @ USMB seem to love to discuss the Mueller report but it is pretty obvious that 99.99% of the members here that comment on the report have NOT read the report.
I believe we need to set the record straight on a couple of the FACTS within the Mueller report.

I keep hearing members here @ USMB make really stupid statements concerning the Mueller investigation. One of the dumbest implications I constantly hear from USMB members is that there was no crime so, there could be no obstruction. That is complete baloney folks.

If we look at Volume II of the report, page 368 of the PDF, section L., Overarching Factual Issues, we can learn there is precedent law in place that precludes any underlying crime from an obstruction process. Please see the below from page 369 of the PDF of the Mueller report.

U.S. Department of Justice Atter11ey Werk Preettet // May Cetttaitt Material Preteetee U11eer Fee. R . Cril'H. P. 6(e) Second, many obstruction cases involve the attempted or actual cover-up of an underlying crime. Personal criminal conduct can furnish strong evidence that the individual had an improper obstructive purpose, see, e.g. , United States v. Willoughby, 860 F.2d 15, 24 (2d Cir. 1988), or that he contemplated an effect on an official proceeding, see, e.g., United States v. Binday, 804 F.3d 558, 591 (2d Cir. 2015). But proof of such a crime is not an element of an obstruction offense. See United States v. Greer, 872 F.3d 790, 798 (6th Cir. 2017) (stating, in applying the obstruction sentencing guideline, that "obstruction of a criminal investigation is punishable even if the prosecution is ultimately unsuccessful or even if the investigation ultimately reveals no underlying crime"). Obstruction of justice can be motivated by a desire to protect non-criminal personal interests, to protect against investigations where underlying criminal liability falls into a gray area, or to avoid personal embarrassment. The injury to the integrity of the justice system is the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong.

There you have it folks: No underlying crime need be proven for an obstruction case to be determined, and/or pursued.



Now, on to the next observation. Many members here @ USMB continue to (erroneously) voice that there was NO obstruction by Trump, and/or no attempts by Trump to obstruct the Mueller investigation.
That is COMPLETE BULLSHIT.

The numerous attempts by Trump to obstruct the Mueller investigation can be learned by reading pages 224 to 448 of the PDF.

So, in conclusion, I hope this will help to educate the many here @ USMB that continue to make erroneous claims concerning the Mueller report, Trump’s documented attempts to obstruct the investigation, and the fact that there is NO need to prove any underlying criminal activity to pursue an obstruction case.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

You’re welcome.

The [problem with your idiotic analysis is the total lack of any evidence of obstruction, jackass party of slavery supporter.

Over 200 pages of the report was dedicated to the documentation of the attempts of obstruction by Trump, yet you claim "total lack of evidence of obstruction?"

Pages 224 to 448, to be exact. LOFL ..................

You must be dumber than a shit sandwich covered in Trump feces ................

 

[Wry Catcher]

There you have it folks: No underlying crime need be proven for an obstruction case to be determined, and/or pursued.

Federal laws states:

18 U.S. Code § 1505.
Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law...
18 U.S. Code § 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees

For obstruction to exist, the motive for the claimed obstruction must be "corrupt".
For a conviction of obstruction, the prosecutor must prove said motive was "corrupt".
Trump knew the Mueller investigation would find nothing on collusion with Russia; the Trump administration cooperated with the Mueller investigation in innumerable ways.

Prove Trump's motives were corrupt..

Colluded: cooperate in a secret or unlawful way in order to deceive or gain an advantage over others.

Conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful; the action of plotting or conspiring.

We've not seen nor heard the testimony of all the actors indicted, convicted or not mentioned in the Mueller report, nor have we seen the findings in the yet to tried in the Southern District of New York or other judicial districts where Trump will be a defendant.

 

[edward37]

There you have it folks: No underlying crime need be proven for an obstruction case to be determined, and/or pursued.

Federal laws states:

18 U.S. Code § 1505.
Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law...
18 U.S. Code § 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees

For obstruction to exist, the motive for the claimed obstruction must be "corrupt".
For a conviction of obstruction, the prosecutor must prove said motive was "corrupt".
Trump knew the Mueller investigation would find nothing on collusion with Russia; the Trump administration cooperated with the Mueller investigation in innumerable ways.

Prove Trump's motives were corrupt..

Colluded: cooperate in a secret or unlawful way in order to deceive or gain an advantage over others.

Conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful; the action of plotting or conspiring.

We've not seen nor heard the testimony of all the actors indicted, convicted or not mentioned in the Mueller report, nor have we seen the findings in the yet to tried in the Southern District of New York or other judicial districts where Trump will be a defendant.

Judge wants to see UNREDACTED version of Flynns testimony Everything in Meuller report related to Flynn Trump is f-ed so are the ah's that support him here

 

[caddo kid]

I posted this thread in HOPES that some USMB members would be educated, and accept some modicum of enlightenment.

It has become painfully obvious that the vast majority, 99.9999999999999999999999999% of Trump supporters here have NO requirement for learning, or for truth.

These people are HOPELESS robots, on the same level as a common cult; The Branch Davidians come to mind.
They all dropped just like the Jones Town cult, just like all good cults eventually vanish into the void of nothingness.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Over 200 pages of the report was dedicated to the documentation of the attempts of obstruction by Trump, yet you claim "total lack of evidence of obstruction?"

Mueller understood obstruction only exists if intent can be proven -- and he could not prove intent.
Why do you refuse to understand this?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Colluded: cooperate in a secret or unlawful way in order to deceive or gain an advantage over others.
Conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful; the action of plotting or conspiring.

Mueller: The investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

You lost. Suck it up, buttercup.

That said, I see you didn't address the issue of motive where obstruction is concerned.
Why?

 

[Muhammed]

There seems to be some confusion concerning what the SC Mueller report actually contains.

Many here @ USMB seem to love to discuss the Mueller report but it is pretty obvious that 99.99% of the members here that comment on the report have NOT read the report.
I believe we need to set the record straight on a couple of the FACTS within the Mueller report.

I keep hearing members here @ USMB make really stupid statements concerning the Mueller investigation. One of the dumbest implications I constantly hear from USMB members is that there was no crime so, there could be no obstruction. That is complete baloney folks.

If we look at Volume II of the report, page 368 of the PDF, section L., Overarching Factual Issues, we can learn there is precedent law in place that precludes any underlying crime from an obstruction process. Please see the below from page 369 of the PDF of the Mueller report.

U.S. Department of Justice Atter11ey Werk Preettet // May Cetttaitt Material Preteetee U11eer Fee. R . Cril'H. P. 6(e) Second, many obstruction cases involve the attempted or actual cover-up of an underlying crime. Personal criminal conduct can furnish strong evidence that the individual had an improper obstructive purpose, see, e.g. , United States v. Willoughby, 860 F.2d 15, 24 (2d Cir. 1988), or that he contemplated an effect on an official proceeding, see, e.g., United States v. Binday, 804 F.3d 558, 591 (2d Cir. 2015). But proof of such a crime is not an element of an obstruction offense. See United States v. Greer, 872 F.3d 790, 798 (6th Cir. 2017) (stating, in applying the obstruction sentencing guideline, that "obstruction of a criminal investigation is punishable even if the prosecution is ultimately unsuccessful or even if the investigation ultimately reveals no underlying crime"). Obstruction of justice can be motivated by a desire to protect non-criminal personal interests, to protect against investigations where underlying criminal liability falls into a gray area, or to avoid personal embarrassment. The injury to the integrity of the justice system is the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong.

There you have it folks: No underlying crime need be proven for an obstruction case to be determined, and/or pursued.



Now, on to the next observation. Many members here @ USMB continue to (erroneously) voice that there was NO obstruction by Trump, and/or no attempts by Trump to obstruct the Mueller investigation.
That is COMPLETE BULLSHIT.

The numerous attempts by Trump to obstruct the Mueller investigation can be learned by reading pages 224 to 448 of the PDF.

So, in conclusion, I hope this will help to educate the many here @ USMB that continue to make erroneous claims concerning the Mueller report, Trump’s documented attempts to obstruct the investigation, and the fact that there is NO need to prove any underlying criminal activity to pursue an obstruction case.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

You’re welcome.

The [problem with your idiotic analysis is the total lack of any evidence of obstruction, jackass party of slavery supporter.

Over 200 pages of the report was dedicated to the documentation of the attempts of obstruction by Trump, yet you claim "total lack of evidence of obstruction?"

Pages 224 to 448, to be exact. LOFL ..................

You must be dumber than a shit sandwich covered in Trump feces ................

There is no evidence of Trump committing any crime in the report.

In fact, the report specifically says that it does not conclude that Trump committed any crime.

You TDS afflicted morons are pathetic.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I posted this thread in HOPES that some USMB members would be educated, and accept some modicum of enlightenment.
It has become painfully obvious that the vast majority, 99.9999999999999999999999999% of Trump supporters here have NO requirement for learning, or for truth.

Mueller understood obstruction only exists if intent can be proven -- and he could not prove intent.
Why do you refuse to understand this?

 

[georgephillip]

It was the Mule's job to discover what criminal acts were committed, not those which -in his opinion- were "attempted".

Likewise, it's not the job of the accused to prove that they didn't do something.

You're welcome.

10 episodes where Trump might have obstructed justice

"Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team found 10 instances where President Donald Trump’s conduct raised issues of possible obstruction of justice.

"They included Trump’s request to then-White House counsel Donald McGahn to remove Mueller from his post, evidence that Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey was motivated by a desire to prevent further inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 election, and various alleged attempts to influence witnesses such as Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort."

Enough MAGA for impeachment?

 

[Oddball]

It was the Mule's job to discover what criminal acts were committed, not those which -in his opinion- were "attempted".

Likewise, it's not the job of the accused to prove that they didn't do something.

You're welcome.

10 episodes where Trump might have obstructed justice

"Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team found 10 instances where President Donald Trump’s conduct raised issues of possible obstruction of justice.

"They included Trump’s request to then-White House counsel Donald McGahn to remove Mueller from his post, evidence that Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey was motivated by a desire to prevent further inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 election, and various alleged attempts to influence witnesses such as Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort."

Enough MAGA for impeachment?

"Possible" and "might have" aren't evidence, they're speculation and wishful thinking.

You lost, chump....Get over it....Move on.

 

[caddo kid]

Devin Nunes refers to Mueller's report as the "Mueller dossier" - "fantasy"

That is quite telling when a Republican refers to over 220 pages of the Mueller report that documents at least 10 attempts by Trump to obstruct the Mueller investigation as "fantasy"

LOFL, the Republican desperation & attempts to discredit Mueller's report is starting to smell like burned flesh . FLOFL ..............

 

[M14 Shooter]

That is quite telling when a Republican refers to over 220 pages of the Mueller report that documents at least 10 attempts by Trump to obstruct the Mueller investigation as "fantasy"

Mueller understood obstruction only exists if intent can be proven -- and he could not prove intent.
Why do you refuse to understand this?

 

[georgephillip]

It was the Mule's job to discover what criminal acts were committed, not those which -in his opinion- were "attempted".

Likewise, it's not the job of the accused to prove that they didn't do something.

You're welcome.

10 episodes where Trump might have obstructed justice

"Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team found 10 instances where President Donald Trump’s conduct raised issues of possible obstruction of justice.

"They included Trump’s request to then-White House counsel Donald McGahn to remove Mueller from his post, evidence that Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey was motivated by a desire to prevent further inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 election, and various alleged attempts to influence witnesses such as Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort."

Enough MAGA for impeachment?

"Possible" isn't evidence, it's speculation and wishful thinking.

You lost, chump....Get over it....Move on.

"Possible" isn't evidence, it's speculation and wishful thinking.

You lost, chump....Get over it....Move on

Actually, it's just getting started.

What Congress Should Ask Robert Mueller When He Testifies

"3. Upon concluding your work and submitting your final report, did you anticipate the Attorney General reaching and publicly announcing a conclusion on whether the President had obstructed justice? Would you have recommended that the Attorney General do so?

"4. Were you ever concerned that William Barr, Rod Rosenstein, or Matthew Whitaker were improperly sharing information about your ongoing investigation with the White House?"

Are you ready for Mike and Bob in prime time?

 

[Oddball]

 

[georgephillip]

View attachment 261228

Better catch up on your reading:

The Latest: Judge orders parts of Mueller report unredacted

"WASHINGTON — The Latest on former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn (all times local):

"6:55 p.m.

"A federal judge has ordered portions of special counsel Robert Mueller's report to be unredacted and made public in the criminal case against former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

"U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan issued the limited order Thursday. Portions of the report relating to Flynn are redacted and would be made public under the order.

"It is the first time a federal judge has ordered the Justice Department to make public portions of the report the agency had kept secret."

Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index

 

[Oddball]

View attachment 261228

Better catch up on your reading:

The Latest: Judge orders parts of Mueller report unredacted

"WASHINGTON — The Latest on former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn (all times local):

"6:55 p.m.

"A federal judge has ordered portions of special counsel Robert Mueller's report to be unredacted and made public in the criminal case against former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

"U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan issued the limited order Thursday. Portions of the report relating to Flynn are redacted and would be made public under the order.

"It is the first time a federal judge has ordered the Justice Department to make public portions of the report the agency had kept secret."

Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index

You best get your resume to Fat Jerry, so you can tell him of all their very important nuances in the law you've discovered...Your country needs you, Corky!

 

[caddo kid]

That is quite telling when a Republican refers to over 220 pages of the Mueller report that documents at least 10 attempts by Trump to obstruct the Mueller investigation as "fantasy"

Mueller understood obstruction only exists if intent can be proven -- and he could not prove intent.
Why do you refuse to understand this?

Yes, it's obvious now that Nunes is referring to the Mueller report as the Mueller dossier & fantasy, a document the GOP talking heads has already declared DOA, that the GOP is becoming desperate because they know Congress is gonna ream Trump's lying, obstructing ass.

LOFL ...................