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in the land of ooozeWhere could I find your imaginary photos?-
(COMMENT)What military advantage does Israel anticipate?
(COMMENT)Year after year Israel kills Palestinian civilians by the thousands. Yet they still get protests. They still get rockets. Nothing has changed.
(COMMENT)Israel keeps trying to shoot its way out of a political problem.
You keep forgetting that it is Israel that is the aggressor.What military advantage does Israel anticipate? Year after year Israel kills Palestinian civilians by the thousands. Yet they still get protests. They still get rockets. Nothing has changed.
Israel keeps trying to shoot its way out of a political problem.![]()
Holy missing the point(s), Batman.
Let me sum up, since apparently Rocco's post was too complicated for you.
1. The over-arching communal goal of the international community is to have peaceful relations between states.
2. Belligerent military actions are never permissible, as they oppose the goal of peaceful relations.
3. When responding to belligerent military actions, military advantage serves the purpose of physically preventing, or psychologically discouraging, further belligerent actions.
4. Proportionality is measured as achieving the military advantage but not exceeding losses necessary for that advantage.
So, to answer your post.
1. Israel anticipates the military advantage of ending the belligerent attacks and restoring peace. Israel has tended, for a variety of reasons, and morally admirably, imo, to limit the achievement of military advantage. Israel, thus far, with respect to Gaza, aims to do the absolute minimum necessary to achieve the cessation of rockets in the short term. Israel has shown astonishing restraint, given that the rockets continue and military advantage of ending the rockets on a more permanent basis is well within her rights to self defense.
2. Your second sentence is an outright lie, but is immaterial to the conversation, since number of civilian deaths is not relevant to military advantage or as a measurement of proportionality. It also fails to place responsibility for belligerent military actions where it properly belongs.
3. Yes, they still get rockets and protests. Thus demonstrating that Israel has not achieved a military advantage. Indeed, Israel has deliberately given up her military advantage in order to minimize civilian loss of life for Palestinians, even though she is in no way required to do so. It begs the question, should Israel increase her military advantage and achieve a decisive end to any further belligerent attacks from Gaza?
4. Nice reversal of reality (sarcasm). It is Gaza attempting to shoot itself out of a political problem, not Israel. What is the political problem? And how can it be achieved? Rockets and violent protests are not in any way either meant to or effective in solving the political problem.
You are confusing an Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) approach against International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States and the framework effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace...
Where could I find your imaginary photos?
not ready to take on the role of a State on the global stage, and, honestly, may never be able to.
Only Israel can stop Israel's war.You keep forgetting that it is Israel that is the aggressor.What military advantage does Israel anticipate? Year after year Israel kills Palestinian civilians by the thousands. Yet they still get protests. They still get rockets. Nothing has changed.
Israel keeps trying to shoot its way out of a political problem.![]()
Holy missing the point(s), Batman.
Let me sum up, since apparently Rocco's post was too complicated for you.
1. The over-arching communal goal of the international community is to have peaceful relations between states.
2. Belligerent military actions are never permissible, as they oppose the goal of peaceful relations.
3. When responding to belligerent military actions, military advantage serves the purpose of physically preventing, or psychologically discouraging, further belligerent actions.
4. Proportionality is measured as achieving the military advantage but not exceeding losses necessary for that advantage.
So, to answer your post.
1. Israel anticipates the military advantage of ending the belligerent attacks and restoring peace. Israel has tended, for a variety of reasons, and morally admirably, imo, to limit the achievement of military advantage. Israel, thus far, with respect to Gaza, aims to do the absolute minimum necessary to achieve the cessation of rockets in the short term. Israel has shown astonishing restraint, given that the rockets continue and military advantage of ending the rockets on a more permanent basis is well within her rights to self defense.
2. Your second sentence is an outright lie, but is immaterial to the conversation, since number of civilian deaths is not relevant to military advantage or as a measurement of proportionality. It also fails to place responsibility for belligerent military actions where it properly belongs.
3. Yes, they still get rockets and protests. Thus demonstrating that Israel has not achieved a military advantage. Indeed, Israel has deliberately given up her military advantage in order to minimize civilian loss of life for Palestinians, even though she is in no way required to do so. It begs the question, should Israel increase her military advantage and achieve a decisive end to any further belligerent attacks from Gaza?
4. Nice reversal of reality (sarcasm). It is Gaza attempting to shoot itself out of a political problem, not Israel. What is the political problem? And how can it be achieved? Rockets and violent protests are not in any way either meant to or effective in solving the political problem.
Ah, actually, no. Remembering the goal is peaceful relations between states, the Arabs have been the aggressors in every single instance. Certainly, remember that its a "political problem" and not a military problem, rockets have no place in the conversation and do nothing to further the goal of peaceful relations.
What is Gaze doing to solve the political problem you brought up?
Where could I find your imaginary photos?
I did not save the article; just the photo. Because you asked, I went back to find it without any success; but I did find this--
Palestinian boys throw stones at an Israeli tank during clashes in... News Photo - Getty Images
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Only Israel can stop Israel's war.You keep forgetting that it is Israel that is the aggressor.What military advantage does Israel anticipate? Year after year Israel kills Palestinian civilians by the thousands. Yet they still get protests. They still get rockets. Nothing has changed.
Israel keeps trying to shoot its way out of a political problem.![]()
Holy missing the point(s), Batman.
Let me sum up, since apparently Rocco's post was too complicated for you.
1. The over-arching communal goal of the international community is to have peaceful relations between states.
2. Belligerent military actions are never permissible, as they oppose the goal of peaceful relations.
3. When responding to belligerent military actions, military advantage serves the purpose of physically preventing, or psychologically discouraging, further belligerent actions.
4. Proportionality is measured as achieving the military advantage but not exceeding losses necessary for that advantage.
So, to answer your post.
1. Israel anticipates the military advantage of ending the belligerent attacks and restoring peace. Israel has tended, for a variety of reasons, and morally admirably, imo, to limit the achievement of military advantage. Israel, thus far, with respect to Gaza, aims to do the absolute minimum necessary to achieve the cessation of rockets in the short term. Israel has shown astonishing restraint, given that the rockets continue and military advantage of ending the rockets on a more permanent basis is well within her rights to self defense.
2. Your second sentence is an outright lie, but is immaterial to the conversation, since number of civilian deaths is not relevant to military advantage or as a measurement of proportionality. It also fails to place responsibility for belligerent military actions where it properly belongs.
3. Yes, they still get rockets and protests. Thus demonstrating that Israel has not achieved a military advantage. Indeed, Israel has deliberately given up her military advantage in order to minimize civilian loss of life for Palestinians, even though she is in no way required to do so. It begs the question, should Israel increase her military advantage and achieve a decisive end to any further belligerent attacks from Gaza?
4. Nice reversal of reality (sarcasm). It is Gaza attempting to shoot itself out of a political problem, not Israel. What is the political problem? And how can it be achieved? Rockets and violent protests are not in any way either meant to or effective in solving the political problem.
Ah, actually, no. Remembering the goal is peaceful relations between states, the Arabs have been the aggressors in every single instance. Certainly, remember that its a "political problem" and not a military problem, rockets have no place in the conversation and do nothing to further the goal of peaceful relations.
What is Gaze doing to solve the political problem you brought up?
[/QUOTE]RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
As previously stated (supra Posting 14554), the Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL) is not based on political subjectivity, but attempts to achieve "military advantage."
(COMMENT)What military advantage does Israel anticipate?
You are trying to use "political rhetoric" to attack the attempts to achieve a "military advantage." Your attempts to use effective or persuasive speech to counter attempts to set the conditions and battle outcomes that put Israel in a favorable and superior military position.
(COMMENT)Year after year Israel kills Palestinian civilians by the thousands. Yet they still get protests. They still get rockets. Nothing has changed.
In the absence of any good-faith attempts at a negotiated peace:
On this basis the Palestinian masses, regardless of whether they are residing in the national homeland or in Diaspora (mahajir) constitute- both their organizations and the individuals- one national front working for the retrieval of Palestine and its liberation through armed struggle.
Thus, at some point, the military paradigm (example or pattern of combat action) to compromise the will of the Arab Palestinians to carry on the conflict.
Today, the reason that the Israeli Military effort to suppress Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) is that the Humanitarian effort, while well-meaning, is counterproductive to breaking the HoAP will to carry on with the oath:
"The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child."
As long as the HoAP persists in this endeavor, the longer the conflict and the more the Arab Palestinians will suffer at their own hand.
(COMMENT)Israel keeps trying to shoot its way out of a political problem.
As for Israel shooting "its way out of a political problem" → it is an entirely wrong assessment in the wrong domain (political paradox 'vs' actual military action). (One talks about solutions and one is implementation of reality towards a solution.) You are confusing an Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) approach against International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States and the framework effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace (ie Hostile Arab Palestinians • HoAP).
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Most Respectfully,
R [ → (Doofus)(stupid person)(ad hominem)]
Do you have a link accusing Hamas of that?You are confusing an Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) approach against International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States
Only Israel can stop Israel's war.
Only Israel can stop Israel's war.You keep forgetting that it is Israel that is the aggressor.What military advantage does Israel anticipate? Year after year Israel kills Palestinian civilians by the thousands. Yet they still get protests. They still get rockets. Nothing has changed.
Israel keeps trying to shoot its way out of a political problem.![]()
Holy missing the point(s), Batman.
Let me sum up, since apparently Rocco's post was too complicated for you.
1. The over-arching communal goal of the international community is to have peaceful relations between states.
2. Belligerent military actions are never permissible, as they oppose the goal of peaceful relations.
3. When responding to belligerent military actions, military advantage serves the purpose of physically preventing, or psychologically discouraging, further belligerent actions.
4. Proportionality is measured as achieving the military advantage but not exceeding losses necessary for that advantage.
So, to answer your post.
1. Israel anticipates the military advantage of ending the belligerent attacks and restoring peace. Israel has tended, for a variety of reasons, and morally admirably, imo, to limit the achievement of military advantage. Israel, thus far, with respect to Gaza, aims to do the absolute minimum necessary to achieve the cessation of rockets in the short term. Israel has shown astonishing restraint, given that the rockets continue and military advantage of ending the rockets on a more permanent basis is well within her rights to self defense.
2. Your second sentence is an outright lie, but is immaterial to the conversation, since number of civilian deaths is not relevant to military advantage or as a measurement of proportionality. It also fails to place responsibility for belligerent military actions where it properly belongs.
3. Yes, they still get rockets and protests. Thus demonstrating that Israel has not achieved a military advantage. Indeed, Israel has deliberately given up her military advantage in order to minimize civilian loss of life for Palestinians, even though she is in no way required to do so. It begs the question, should Israel increase her military advantage and achieve a decisive end to any further belligerent attacks from Gaza?
4. Nice reversal of reality (sarcasm). It is Gaza attempting to shoot itself out of a political problem, not Israel. What is the political problem? And how can it be achieved? Rockets and violent protests are not in any way either meant to or effective in solving the political problem.
Ah, actually, no. Remembering the goal is peaceful relations between states, the Arabs have been the aggressors in every single instance. Certainly, remember that its a "political problem" and not a military problem, rockets have no place in the conversation and do nothing to further the goal of peaceful relations.
What is Gaze doing to solve the political problem you brought up?
(COMMENT)Do you have a link accusing Hamas of that?You are confusing an Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) approach against International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States
You are ducking my question.RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
I don't believe you are actually discussing this in good faith. No member of this Discussion for any length of time and not know this simple fact. You even post propaganda videos on this web site quite frequenctly. You have even advocated the use of violence and promoted the idea that violence is somehow lawful.
(COMMENT)Do you have a link accusing Hamas of that?You are confusing an Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) approach against International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States
I give you a bit of the abundance there is out there. No two are from the same source and no two are the same type of propaganda, and no two are from the same perspective.
• Israel has thwarted 50 jihad attacks by the Islamic State ...•
Jul 11, 2019 · The jihad death cult has been winning the global propaganda war against Israel, despite the latter’s ongoing efforts to save life, unlike its Palestinian neighbors, whose leaders are oppressing their own people and blaming Israel. Hamas also uses the Palestinian people, including children, as human shields.
• Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas: No Peace as Long as Israel Exists •
By Pamela Geller - on July 3, 2019
• Ilhan Omar Has a Habit of Tweeting Hamas Terrorist Propaganda •
May 8, 2019 by Bonchie
• Rashida Tlaib justifies latest Hamas terror attack, condemns Israel for defending itself •
May 6, 2019 | Frieda Powers
• Hamas and the Terrorism Double Standard | Jewish & Israel •
May 02, 2019 Sean Durns / JNS.org
• Hamas' propaganda coup •
16 May 2018 | Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry
• Hamas wants Palestinians killed to score propaganda points against Israel •
15 May 2018 | By Rabbi Abraham Cooper, | Fox News
• Operation Protective Edge: Hamas’ Propaganda War •
INSS Insight No. 582, August 3, 2014
• "Psychological Tricks to Demoralize the Enemy" •
Spiegel. January 16, 2009.
Most Respectfully,
R
(COMMENT)You are ducking my question.I don't believe you are actually discussing this in good faith. No member of this Discussion for any length of time and not know this simple fact. You even post propaganda videos on this web site quite frequently. You have even advocated the use of violence and promoted the idea that violence is somehow lawful.
(COMMENT)Do you have a link accusing Hamas of that?You are confusing an Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) approach against International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States
I give you a bit of the abundance there is out there. No two are from the same source and no two are the same type of propaganda, and no two are from the same perspective.
• Israel has thwarted 50 jihad attacks by the Islamic State ...•
Jul 11, 2019 · The jihad death cult has been winning the global propaganda war against Israel, despite the latter’s ongoing efforts to save life, unlike its Palestinian neighbors, whose leaders are oppressing their own people and blaming Israel. Hamas also uses the Palestinian people, including children, as human shields.
• Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas: No Peace as Long as Israel Exists •
By Pamela Geller - on July 3, 2019
• Ilhan Omar Has a Habit of Tweeting Hamas Terrorist Propaganda •
May 8, 2019 by Bonchie
• Rashida Tlaib justifies latest Hamas terror attack, condemns Israel for defending itself •
May 6, 2019 | Frieda Powers
• Hamas and the Terrorism Double Standard | Jewish & Israel •
May 02, 2019 Sean Durns / JNS.org
• Hamas' propaganda coup •
16 May 2018 | Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry
• Hamas wants Palestinians killed to score propaganda points against Israel •
15 May 2018 | By Rabbi Abraham Cooper, | Fox News
• Operation Protective Edge: Hamas’ Propaganda War •
INSS Insight No. 582, August 3, 2014
• "Psychological Tricks to Demoralize the Enemy" •
Spiegel. January 16, 2009.
Most Respectfully,
R
The question was: "Do you have a link accusing Hamas of that?"RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
OH, no...
(COMMENT)You are ducking my question.I don't believe you are actually discussing this in good faith. No member of this Discussion for any length of time and not know this simple fact. You even post propaganda videos on this web site quite frequently. You have even advocated the use of violence and promoted the idea that violence is somehow lawful.
(COMMENT)Do you have a link accusing Hamas of that?You are confusing an Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) approach against International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States
I give you a bit of the abundance there is out there. No two are from the same source and no two are the same type of propaganda, and no two are from the same perspective.
• Israel has thwarted 50 jihad attacks by the Islamic State ...•
Jul 11, 2019 · The jihad death cult has been winning the global propaganda war against Israel, despite the latter’s ongoing efforts to save life, unlike its Palestinian neighbors, whose leaders are oppressing their own people and blaming Israel. Hamas also uses the Palestinian people, including children, as human shields.
• Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas: No Peace as Long as Israel Exists •
By Pamela Geller - on July 3, 2019
• Ilhan Omar Has a Habit of Tweeting Hamas Terrorist Propaganda •
May 8, 2019 by Bonchie
• Rashida Tlaib justifies latest Hamas terror attack, condemns Israel for defending itself •
May 6, 2019 | Frieda Powers
• Hamas and the Terrorism Double Standard | Jewish & Israel •
May 02, 2019 Sean Durns / JNS.org
• Hamas' propaganda coup •
16 May 2018 | Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry
• Hamas wants Palestinians killed to score propaganda points against Israel •
15 May 2018 | By Rabbi Abraham Cooper, | Fox News
• Operation Protective Edge: Hamas’ Propaganda War •
INSS Insight No. 582, August 3, 2014
• "Psychological Tricks to Demoralize the Enemy" •
Spiegel. January 16, 2009.
Most Respectfully,
R
This is not a case of me "ducking the question." It is a case of you, using that worthless retort to avoid acknowledging the answer.
Most Respectfully,
R