Why is wanting to keep what you earned greed, but wanting what you didn't earn isn't?

[Soggy in NOLA]

No - he looks at it and thinks "What is the bottom 40% doing with MY 0.2%?"

Uh huh...

Wealth is not a finite thing.. and I don't look at what others have, whether it be a little or a lot, and think I have to TAKE theirs... I see what I do for myself and earn my own..

Sorry guys... the wealth of others is not yours.. you have no right to it.. and you have no right to force them to 'redistribute' it how you see fit

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying the Congress does not have the right to tax under the 16th amendment?

What does thi have to do with anything he said?

 

[Sallow]

I don't get it liberals, please explain

Depends on who you are talking about.

But most CEOs?

They don't earn shit.

 

[Sallow]

Providing for an Army/Navy is provided for under the consitution. (The Air Force was originally part of the Army).

As is welfare and unemployment.

Actually they are prohibited by the 10th amendment.

No they are not.

 

[MikeK]

I don't get it liberals, please explain

The second premise of the question is presumptive.

Wanting to retain (hoard) an excessive amount of money is greed (gluttony). Wanting to have an excessive amount of money to hoard is also greedy (gluttonous).

I consider twenty million dollars to be a reasonable amount of wealth. I consider more than twenty million to be excessive wealth, mainly because it represents the potential for extreme political corruption -- such as that which is destroying our political system.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Not wanting to contribute to the society that you benefit from is greed

right.. so those that pay no federal income tax while earning any income are greedy....

How true.....those 40% of Americans who share only 2 tenths of a percent of our wealth are being greedy

The answer is right here. To LOlberals, everything you earn belongs to everyone. You didn't build that. it's not yours, it belongs to the government we (not all of us mind you, only those int eh mob who voted. Not even a majority of citizens) elected. LOLberals do not believe in self ownership or private property, they believe in communal ownership as dictated by the government.

What wrongringer would really like to say is, "it's greedy because all the wealth belongs to the government WE elected and therefore, if you dont want to contribute to "our" society, you're a greedy bastard deserving of a gun pointed in your face and have it taken from you if you fail to comply."

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Uh huh...

Wealth is not a finite thing.. and I don't look at what others have, whether it be a little or a lot, and think I have to TAKE theirs... I see what I do for myself and earn my own..

Sorry guys... the wealth of others is not yours.. you have no right to it.. and you have no right to force them to 'redistribute' it how you see fit

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying the Congress does not have the right to tax under the 16th amendment?

Did I say that people's INCOME could not be taxed??

No.. I said their wealth is not taxed.. you have no right to their wealth.. you have no right to tell them to redistribute their wealth.. and you have no right to use government to force them to redistribute their wealth....

You have the freedom to accumulate and earn to amass whatever wealth you can

Well OK then. The federal government isn'tdoing that. The federal government doesn't tax wealth - it taxes income. And no one is suggesting a federal property tax or any other such thing that would directly tax wealth. So what are you whining about exactly?

 

[DiamondDave]

As is welfare and unemployment.

Actually they are prohibited by the 10th amendment.

No they are not.

To have the power, the fed would have to have it specifically enumerated.. It is not (and please, no leaving off the text after the word "welfare" from article 1 section 8)... the 10th amendment then reserves all other powers that are not specifically granted to the fed to the states and/or the people..

Now.. this is not to say that the federal government has stayed within it's assigned powers.. and it is not to say that they are not doing it currently.. but the constitution does not grant the fed the power to give entitlements for things such as welfare and/or unemployment

The wording is very clear... words have meaning.. punctuation has a purpose.. and complete context is useful when reading the constitution

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

LOLberals do not believe in self ownership or private property, they believe in communal ownership as dictated by the government.

That is not what I believe.
Do any of you other liberals believe this?

 

[DiamondDave]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying the Congress does not have the right to tax under the 16th amendment?

Did I say that people's INCOME could not be taxed??

No.. I said their wealth is not taxed.. you have no right to their wealth.. you have no right to tell them to redistribute their wealth.. and you have no right to use government to force them to redistribute their wealth....

You have the freedom to accumulate and earn to amass whatever wealth you can

Well OK then. The federal government isn'tdoing that. The federal government doesn't tax wealth - it taxes income. And no one is suggesting a federal property tax or any other such thing that would directly tax wealth. So what are you whining about exactly?

Correct... BUT Wrongwinger was then complaining about WEALTH redistribution

In terms of what was originally asked, and Wrongwinger's statement about people not contributing to society... government induced contribution to society is thru taxation.. we have many people earning income but not paying income tax.. hence those people are the ones 'selfishly' not contributing but drawing benefits to society thru goverment

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Did I say that people's INCOME could not be taxed??

No.. I said their wealth is not taxed.. you have no right to their wealth.. you have no right to tell them to redistribute their wealth.. and you have no right to use government to force them to redistribute their wealth....

You have the freedom to accumulate and earn to amass whatever wealth you can

Well OK then. The federal government isn'tdoing that. The federal government doesn't tax wealth - it taxes income. And no one is suggesting a federal property tax or any other such thing that would directly tax wealth. So what are you whining about exactly?

Correct... BUT Wrongwinger was then complaining about WEALTH redistribution

And according to you that's not happening. Its INCOME redistribution by your terminology.

In terms of what was originally asked, and Wrongwinger's statement about people not contributing to society... government induced contribution to society is thru taxation.. we have many people earning income but not paying income tax.. hence those people are the ones 'selfishly' not contributing but drawing benefits to society thru goverment

So now just being poor is selfish. Got it. You righties crack me up.

Tell you what, let's get rid off all the lower class folks. Then you'll see how easy it will be to live with no one to mow your lawn or change your oil or serve you your burger or harvest the fruit you eat or change your diapers when you get too old to control your bowels - you'll have to do all that yourself - see how much time you have to make money after that.

 

[Sallow]

Actually they are prohibited by the 10th amendment.

No they are not.

To have the power, the fed would have to have it specifically enumerated.. It is not (and please, no leaving off the text after the word "welfare" from article 1 section 8)... the 10th amendment then reserves all other powers that are not specifically granted to the fed to the states and/or the people..

Now.. this is not to say that the federal government has stayed within it's assigned powers.. and it is not to say that they are not doing it currently.. but the constitution does not grant the fed the power to give entitlements for things such as welfare and/or unemployment

The wording is very clear... words have meaning.. punctuation has a purpose.. and complete context is useful when reading the constitution

Oh bullshit.

The 10th is a catchall..the Constitution is supreme.

And it's in the preamble and the first clause of the powers of congress to provide for the general welfare.

You guys want to make a case for "exact words"? Well we wouldn't have a standing army. Since the Constitution provides for a temporary one made up of militias.

Seems you went for the more "general" interpretation of that one.

 

[Sallow]

LOLberals do not believe in self ownership or private property, they believe in communal ownership as dictated by the government.

That is not what I believe.
Do any of you other liberals believe this?

No one.

It's total hyperbole and bullshit.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

LOLberals do not believe in self ownership or private property, they believe in communal ownership as dictated by the government.

That is not what I believe.
Do any of you other liberals believe this?

of course you do. You believe in welfare. You love it. I've watched you defend it. How is welfare given out? By stealing it from productive people. And BTW, your income is your wealth. You use it to obtain things such as property (and by the way, income is property too).

To LOLberals, you didn't build that. It's somewhat mine because you're within the jurisdiction of the cartel. Forhet that you have self ownership, you belong tot he State. The State will tell you how much of the wealth/income you have belongs to you and how much of it belongs to them. or rather, that they will parcel out some of the return on your labor for you to use.....of course there are other taxes for them to get more of it as you use it.

It would be greedy of you to want to keep your own property under this guise.

 

[martybegan]

No they are not.

To have the power, the fed would have to have it specifically enumerated.. It is not (and please, no leaving off the text after the word "welfare" from article 1 section 8)... the 10th amendment then reserves all other powers that are not specifically granted to the fed to the states and/or the people..

Now.. this is not to say that the federal government has stayed within it's assigned powers.. and it is not to say that they are not doing it currently.. but the constitution does not grant the fed the power to give entitlements for things such as welfare and/or unemployment

The wording is very clear... words have meaning.. punctuation has a purpose.. and complete context is useful when reading the constitution

Oh bullshit.

The 10th is a catchall..the Constitution is supreme.

And it's in the preamble and the first clause of the powers of congress to provide for the general welfare.

You guys want to make a case for "exact words"? Well we wouldn't have a standing army. Since the Constitution provides for a temporary one made up of militias.

Seems you went for the more "general" interpretation of that one.

No, it just limits said army's appropriation funds to no more than 2 years, so you can't spend money more than 2 years ahead on the army.

The Navy didnt have this limitation as ships were the one thing you had to pay for in advance that took 2+ years to build back then.

 

[kaz]

As is welfare and unemployment.

Actually they are prohibited by the 10th amendment.

No they are not.

Yes they are

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

LOLberals do not believe in self ownership or private property, they believe in communal ownership as dictated by the government.

That is not what I believe.
Do any of you other liberals believe this?

of course you do.

No, I don't.

And BTW, your income is your wealth.

Not all of it. Only the portion leftover after my living expenses. My fuck you're an idiot.

 

[kaz]

I don't get it liberals, please explain

The second premise of the question is presumptive.

Wanting to retain (hoard) an excessive amount of money is greed (gluttony). Wanting to have an excessive amount of money to hoard is also greedy (gluttonous).

I consider twenty million dollars to be a reasonable amount of wealth. I consider more than twenty million to be excessive wealth, mainly because it represents the potential for extreme political corruption -- such as that which is destroying our political system.

Wow, the arrogance that how much is excessive is up to you. How do you get your head through doorways?

Also, if you earned it all, how could the amount you keep ever be "excessive?"

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Actually they are prohibited by the 10th amendment.

No they are not.

Yes they are

Case reference?

 

[kaz]

No they are not.

Yes they are

Case reference?

I always like the argument that the government gets to decide what powers the people ceded to the government.

Wait, "like" isn't the right word....

 

[DiamondDave]

No they are not.

To have the power, the fed would have to have it specifically enumerated.. It is not (and please, no leaving off the text after the word "welfare" from article 1 section 8)... the 10th amendment then reserves all other powers that are not specifically granted to the fed to the states and/or the people..

Now.. this is not to say that the federal government has stayed within it's assigned powers.. and it is not to say that they are not doing it currently.. but the constitution does not grant the fed the power to give entitlements for things such as welfare and/or unemployment

The wording is very clear... words have meaning.. punctuation has a purpose.. and complete context is useful when reading the constitution

Oh bullshit.

The 10th is a catchall..the Constitution is supreme.

And it's in the preamble and the first clause of the powers of congress to provide for the general welfare.

You guys want to make a case for "exact words"? Well we wouldn't have a standing army. Since the Constitution provides for a temporary one made up of militias.

Seems you went for the more "general" interpretation of that one.

It is a 'catchall' to catch the fed trying to take power it is not specifically granted.. the wording is QUITE clear

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

And perhaps you should read again on the Army

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Militia and Army and Navy are listed as and treated as different things.. and monies are appropriated YEARLY...

Go back to school