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I see the handout entitlement crowd has arrived. Obama's not planning on giving you a raise from all of this, but keeping acting like you are.
This is a point that's being overlooked (gee, I wonder why). Obama's comments were questionable if taken in a vacuum, but they fit right into the theme that Obama and the Democrats are anti-business. It's a little tougher to believe the spin when taken in the larger context.
And then there is the passage that pissed me off, personally - "Im always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there."
That's the President of the United States first putting words (bolded, to make it simple) into the mouths of business owners, and then mocking them for those words. Does anyone else recall such a statement from a President?
You say you know what we think? You don't. You couldn't.
And business owners don't talk about what you claim. I'm with them every day. They're too busy trying to keep the doors open.
You can't spin an insult.
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Y'know, I've brought this up at least a couple of times now, and I can't get any of the spinners to provide a response.
I realize it can't be spun with the diversionary "roads and bridges" schtick, but can't you come up with something else here?
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I think you need to look at yourself and the Ayn Rand conservatives who have espoused on this board, in the political arena and on the airwaves their firm belief in what conservatism has devolved into...social Darwinism. Survival of the richest and calling hard working American working class people 'parasites', 'takers' and 'moochers'. While those 'parasites', 'takers' and 'moochers' have sent their sons and daughters off to die on foreign soil to WHOSE financial benefit?
A government is part of a soceity, Dipshit. Anybody who says otherwise is, well, a Dipshit....
...oh that's right..
...carry on.....
It's not that simple dipshit - we have a Bill of Rights dipshit...
Government cant just do whatever the fuck they want dipshit..
Understand dipshit?
Which has what to do with my point Retard?
here, I'll even give you a hint: NOTHING...understand yet, Retard?
I know, when is the left going to stop and call what Obama did by its real name. The socialist has lifted his mask. Deal with it. By the way, he considers his supporters little more than pawns, so don't think his opinion of you is any different than the rest of us.
It's not that simple dipshit - we have a Bill of Rights dipshit...
Government cant just do whatever the fuck they want dipshit..
Understand dipshit?
Which has what to do with my point Retard?
here, I'll even give you a hint: NOTHING...understand yet, Retard?
You don't have one...
Y'know, I've brought this up at least a couple of times now, and I can't get any of the spinners to provide a response.
I realize it can't be spun with the diversionary "roads and bridges" schtick, but can't you come up with something else here?
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I think you need to look at yourself and the Ayn Rand conservatives who have espoused on this board, in the political arena and on the airwaves their firm belief in what conservatism has devolved into...social Darwinism. Survival of the richest and calling hard working American working class people 'parasites', 'takers' and 'moochers'. While those 'parasites', 'takers' and 'moochers' have sent their sons and daughters off to die on foreign soil to WHOSE financial benefit?
Well, that was a lovely diversionary effort, and it's nice to know that I'm now an Ayn Rand conservative. At least until a right-winger calls me a "commie" next.
So, that's it? May I assume that you agree with Obama's mockery?
Yikes.
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I think you need to look at yourself and the Ayn Rand conservatives who have espoused on this board, in the political arena and on the airwaves their firm belief in what conservatism has devolved into...social Darwinism. Survival of the richest and calling hard working American working class people 'parasites', 'takers' and 'moochers'. While those 'parasites', 'takers' and 'moochers' have sent their sons and daughters off to die on foreign soil to WHOSE financial benefit?
Well, that was a lovely diversionary effort, and it's nice to know that I'm now an Ayn Rand conservative. At least until a right-winger calls me a "commie" next.
So, that's it? May I assume that you agree with Obama's mockery?
Yikes.
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There is no such thing as an "Ayn Rand Conservative."
Well, that was a lovely diversionary effort, and it's nice to know that I'm now an Ayn Rand conservative. At least until a right-winger calls me a "commie" next.
So, that's it? May I assume that you agree with Obama's mockery?
Yikes.
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There is no such thing as an "Ayn Rand Conservative."
Well, whatever, I was just hoping for a direct response to my post and I can't seem to get one.
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Which has what to do with my point Retard?
here, I'll even give you a hint: NOTHING...understand yet, Retard?
You don't have one...
Oh, there was a point all right.
I'm not sitting here wondering why it went over your head. It's par for the course. Carry on...
The last gasp of a losing argument, attack the poster. lol
In the context of the whole speech, which the left reminds us is necessary, it started out talking about taxes. Then it moved to the small business owner and how they didn't succeed by themselves and owe the government more (taxes). The logic was clear and pointed. How you missed it is a mystery.
You don't have one...
Oh, there was a point all right.
I'm not sitting here wondering why it went over your head. It's par for the course. Carry on...
No, sorry you didn't...
Can you make a point in a single sentence?
Liberals: Obama didn't say what he said (even though we have video, and transcripts), well he said what he said but he meant something completely different than what he said and how dare Conservatives misinterpret what he said even though he said it, because it wasn't meant to be interpreted exactly how Obama said it, it was meant to mean something different than how Conservatives interpreted it.... Phew... I think I got it now.
No. Papa O was talking about the contribution that THE PEOPLE put into the system, bulding roads and schools and fire houses and cop shops.
Why do so many people forget that WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT?!?!?!?!
I assume you're talking to me, but since you are not quoting posts I have no idea.
I was not attacking you in the slightest. I can only gauge what goes on by people's reactions around me and what I read. The international reaction to his speech has been zero. It appears it hasn't made much of a dent in the US either other than on this board. Only right-wing shills have been banging on about it and they seem marginalised at the best of times. And that is what I see. Now if you fall into the neocon category that I talked about then that is on you.
As for what he actually said, this is what I heard.
People like me (Obama) earn enough money that we can pay more taxes. Now before all you people like me rant and rave about only you earned this type of money and the govt only wants more, remember this: you didnt do it one your own. It was a combined effort - your ingenuity, and by working together, we have accomplished this together.
And do you know the funniest thing about this whole thing? All these 'small' business owners that think Obama was having a crack at them probably don't even fit into the category he was mentioning.
Look at the facts: He earns $400,000 as president and a lot more in other ventures. Those are the types that can afford more taxes and who he was having a crack at. Most small businesses are things like plumbers, electricians, bakers, car repairers, etc. You think they earn those kinds of dollars? Does the average plumber drive around in the latest Beamer, Merc or Porsche? No. He was talking about the top 1 percent. But, no! The neocon whackjobs on this board an their enablers think he's having a crack and mom and pop stores yadda, yadda. And THAT is why I laugh at you, as do most of the rest of the world. We look at what he ACTUALLY said instead of what our partisan blinders would LIKE him to have MEANT. Two different things.
So you carry on in our ignorant bliss, and we'll carry on laughing and pat you on the head like the good little partisan that you are.
I assume you're talking to me, but since you are not quoting posts I have no idea.
I was not attacking you in the slightest. I can only gauge what goes on by people's reactions around me and what I read. The international reaction to his speech has been zero. It appears it hasn't made much of a dent in the US either other than on this board. Only right-wing shills have been banging on about it and they seem marginalised at the best of times. And that is what I see. Now if you fall into the neocon category that I talked about then that is on you.
As for what he actually said, this is what I heard.
People like me (Obama) earn enough money that we can pay more taxes. Now before all you people like me rant and rave about only you earned this type of money and the govt only wants more, remember this: you didnt do it one your own. It was a combined effort - your ingenuity, and by working together, we have accomplished this together.
And do you know the funniest thing about this whole thing? All these 'small' business owners that think Obama was having a crack at them probably don't even fit into the category he was mentioning.
Look at the facts: He earns $400,000 as president and a lot more in other ventures. Those are the types that can afford more taxes and who he was having a crack at. Most small businesses are things like plumbers, electricians, bakers, car repairers, etc. You think they earn those kinds of dollars? Does the average plumber drive around in the latest Beamer, Merc or Porsche? No. He was talking about the top 1 percent. But, no! The neocon whackjobs on this board an their enablers think he's having a crack and mom and pop stores yadda, yadda. And THAT is why I laugh at you, as do most of the rest of the world. We look at what he ACTUALLY said instead of what our partisan blinders would LIKE him to have MEANT. Two different things.
So you carry on in our ignorant bliss, and we'll carry on laughing and pat you on the head like the good little partisan that you are.
Why should interenational reactions have anything to do with domestic policy? It is a fallacy of the left. He never referred to the top 1%. It was directed at small business owners and that is clearly not the top 1%. Recast the speech as you will. It is your only defense.
I see the handout entitlement crowd has arrived. Obama's not planning on giving you a raise from all of this, but keeping acting like you are.
I see the "We'll make any shit we like up about what Obama said" crowd has arrived.
Just so you know, you can call an apple and orange as many times as you like. You can even gift wrap it and turn into a kewpie doll if you like. But, alas, it still remains an apple...
No its NOT stupid. Not when youve LIVED it!
Weve seen this very principle IN ACTION within the last decade. When the bridge fell here in Minneapolis. Businesses were hurt when their customers could no longer reach them. Many small mom and pop operations on one side of the river or the other either hit sudden hard times or went under completely. Through NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN. A bridge fell and suddenly their customer base disappeared.
Remember the old saying, " Location, Location, Location" ?
Guess who does the districting? Guess who decides where the roads will go? Where the next bridge gets built?
Its the community NOT the single rugged individual business owner that decides such things. The community and therefore the government decides which location, location, location is going to be the prime location.
