"You didn't get there on your own"

[Lakhota]

 

[Lakhota]

 

[Listening]

No government doesn't make it possible for businesses to start up and succeed. Government did not create the infrastructure.

you are a liar and a moron...really, from this point forward you should not post or speak in public, you really are embarrassing yourself when you do

STFU dickweed.

 

[Listening]

And they will.

So why don't you put your pacifier back in your ass and have your mother change your diaper.

 

[saveliberty]

Cartoons best suit the world in which some liberals live in.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Your arrows are about 25 non-sequiturs.
But for the idea and the capital to start the business, the business would not exist. Hence, the owner did it all himself.
Your side's premise is that anyone and everyone can simply open a business because government does it for them.
We also know that is 100% false.
BTW, save for the administration of funding, the federal government does NOTHING.
The private sector does it all.
Obama's statement that businesses did not get there on their own is nothing but a big fat "fuck you" to every entrepreneur in the nation.

 

[Bfgrn]

Seems the Great Depression began after 12 years of Republican rule ending up with a Republican president, Hoover, that spent four years trying to keep the bread lines straight and orderly and encouraging apple-sellers.

I understand that you are a partisan troll, with virtually zero historical knowledge.

In 1920, the depression brought about by Fabian democrat Woodrow Wilson had brought the nation to it's knees. Determined to induce international Marxism, Wilson had plunged the nation into European wars and European turmoil. The results were a disaster. Domestic business was under attack by the Wilson administration and production was faltering.

William G. Harding swept the election with over 60%, due to the dissatisfaction with Wilson. Bear in mind that Fabian theory was not discredited at the time and Wilson made no attempt to hide his Marxist leanings - in fact it was fully embraced. Democrat Governor James M. Cox ran on a promise of nationalizing commodities such as oil, and was utterly defeated. Cox was the last president, until Obama, to openly advocate socialism.

Harding ended the depression and began an era of prosperity that would be known as "The Roaring 20's.

Harding was followed by Calvin Coolidge. Coolidge is arguably the best president of the 20th century. Coolidge defined conservatism. He removed U.S. troops from foreign nations, lowered taxes and tariffs, substantially reduced the Federal workforce, bringing about the most significant GNP expansion in American history - to this day. Coolidge practiced the economic principles that men such as Rothbard would later document as the most effective means of creating prosperity in the greatest number of people.

After the disaster of Wilson and the incredible success of Harding and Cooldge, the Democrats were a defeated, minority party. Though not widely liked, Harding's secretary of Commerce, "Herbert Hoover" was nominated. In 1928, no Democrat had any chance at the Whitehouse and Hoover easily won office. Hoover was a moderate who likened himself to Teddy Roosevelt and declared himself a progressive.

Hoover was a dedicated follower of British economist, John Maynard Keynes, and crafted economic policy to follow Keynes. An accountant by training, Hoover micromanaged economic affairs. As a result, when a moderate recession hit in 1929, Hoover reacted with Keynesian stimulus and "make work" programs. The result was a disaster and drove the recession into a depression.

When Franklin Roosevelt was later elected, he EXPANDED the Hoover policies, he did not alter them. FDR was also an advocate of Keynes and simply continued the same policies already in place.

Which resulted in the longest and deepest depression in U.S. History.

The Great Depression helped end child labor for an adult could be hired for the same wages as paid to children. Finally, the child-labor matter was settled in 1938 when FDR signed the Fair Labor Standards Act.

The only problem with your right wing fairy tale...Herbert Hoover, in his OWN words.


The ‘leave-it-alone liquidationists’ headed by Secretary of the Treasury Mellon…felt that government must keep its hands off and let the slump liquidate itself. Mr. Mellon had only one formula: ‘Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate’.…He held that even panic was not altogether a bad thing. He said: ‘It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up the wrecks from less competent people’.


What NEVER works is what Herbert Hoover and Andrew Mellon did to bring on the Great Depression...liquidate, and austerity. They listened to the predecessors of the 'Austrian' school. Unless you also believe Medieval blood letting save lives?

Economic Policy Under Hoover

Throughout this decline—which carried real GNP per worker down to a level 40 percent below that which it had attained in 1929, and which saw the unemployment rise to take in more than a quarter of the labor force—the government did not try to prop up aggregate demand. The only expansionary fiscal policy action undertaken was the Veterans’ Bonus, passed over President Hoover’s veto. That aside, the full employment budget surplus did not fall over 1929–33.

The Federal Reserve did not use open market operations to keep the nominal money supply from falling. Instead, its only significant systematic use of open market operations was in the other direction: to raise interest rates and discourage gold outflows after the United Kingdom abandoned the gold standard in the fall of 1931.

This inaction did not come about because they did not understand the tools of monetary policy. This inaction did not come about because the Federal Reserve was constrained by the necessity of defending the gold standard. The Federal Reserve knew what it was doing: it was letting the private sector handle the Depression in its own fashion. It saw the private sector’s task as the “liquidation” of the American economy. It feared that expansionary monetary policy would impede the necessary private-sector process of readjustment.

Contemplating in retrospect the wreck of his country’s economy and his own presidency, Herbert Hoover wrote bitterly in his memoirs about those who had advised inaction during the downslide:

The ‘leave-it-alone liquidationists’ headed by Secretary of the Treasury Mellon…felt that government must keep its hands off and let the slump liquidate itself. Mr. Mellon had only one formula: ‘Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate’.…He held that even panic was not altogether a bad thing. He said: ‘It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up the wrecks from less competent people’.


The Federal Reserve took almost no steps to halt the slide into the Great Depression over 1929–33. Instead, the Federal Reserve acted as if appropriate policy was not to try to avoid the oncoming Great Depression, but to allow it to run its course and “liquidate” the unprofitable portions of the private economy.

In adopting such “liquidationist” policies, the Federal Reserve was merely following the recommendations provided by an economic theory of depressions that was in fact common before the Keynesian Revolution and was held by economists like Friedrich Hayek, Lionel Robbins, and Joseph Schumpeter.

 

[Bfgrn]

Tell that to these people chanel...

Sadly, the first words 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help' these people heard was from the RCMP...

That is the Royal CANADIAN Mounted Police, from Vancouver British Columbia

2192.6 Miles away!!!

Tragically, it was TOO LATE for most...

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

 

[chanel]

Yes. FEMA is the poster child of government efficiency.

The shortfalls in FEMA's disaster aid account have been obvious to lawmakers on Capitol Hill for months — and privately acknowledged to them by FEMA — but the White House has opted against asking for more money, riling many lawmakers.

"Despite the fact that the need ... is well known," Reps. Robert Aderholt, R-Ala., and David Price, D-N.C., wrote the administration last month, "it unfortunately appears that no action is being taken by the administration." The lawmakers chair the panel responsible for FEMA's budget.

FEMA now admits the disaster aid shortfall could approach $5 billion for the upcoming budget year, and that's before accounting for Irene.

Homeland Security Today: Federal Disaster Aid Account Faces Shortfall; FEMA Puts Long-term Rebuilding on Hold

Here's an example of govt. "help".

Martha Boneta, who owns a small local farm, found that out the hard way when she was threatened with $5,000 in fines for not getting the proper permit to sell produce and host 10-year-old’s birthday party on her property.

Zoning Administrator Kimberley Johnson, who issued a cease-and-desist letter to Boneta, found a picture of the birthday party in question on Boneta’s Facebook, citing it as evidence of her wrongdoing.

These local food regulation issues, where government frequently oversteps its bounds to “protect” us from delicious zucchinis and fresh milk, are a great way to illustrate to your liberal, locavore friends that an ever-expanding government might not always have their best interests at heart.

Virginia farmer threatened with $5K fine for hosting child’s birthday party « Hot Air

 

[saveliberty]

So what's the excuse for all the years since Katrina?

Remember, New Orleans didn't rebuild, the government did. We should have some sort of special tax on them right?

 

[Uncensored2008]

(smile) Yoy are just another little ankle biter without a brian, ain't ya "brotha"?

No, he's a troll.

He gets his jollies by exciting a reaction from people. He'll never be rational, nor post anything worthwhile.

If you want to defeat him, then ignore him, as all he really seeks is attention.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The only problem with your right wing fairy tale...Herbert Hoover, in his OWN words.


The ‘leave-it-alone liquidationists’ headed by Secretary of the Treasury Mellon…felt that government must keep its hands off and let the slump liquidate itself. Mr. Mellon had only one formula: ‘Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate’.…He held that even panic was not altogether a bad thing. He said: ‘It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up the wrecks from less competent people’.


What NEVER works is what Herbert Hoover and Andrew Mellon did to bring on the Great Depression...liquidate, and austerity. They listened to the predecessors of the 'Austrian' school. Unless you also believe Medieval blood letting save lives?

You are so full of shit.

Programs instituted by Hoover in response to the then recession;

1. Wage Stablization
2. The Hoover Moratorium which halted all repartriation payments from Germany to France
3. The Emergency Relief and Construction Act which gave funds for public works
4. The Federal Home and Bank Loan Act which created the contstruction of new home to prevent foreclosures
5. Canceled private oil leases on government lands.
6. Constructed the Hoover Dam as the precursor to the WPA

Hoover greatly exasperated the depression by signing the Smoot-Hawley Tariff act and sharply increasing income tax in 1932.

All of these were expanded by Roosevelt, who continued the disastrous policies of Hoover.

Sources:
David Burner, Herbert Hoover: A Public Life , Knopf (New York, 1979).
Martin I Fausold, The Presidency of Herbert Hoover, University Press of Kansas (Lawrence, Kan., 1985).
Herbert Hoover, The Memoirs of Herbert Hoover: The Great Depression, 1929-1941, Macmillan (New York, 1952).
Gene Smith, The Shattered Dream: Herbert Hoover and the Great Depression, William Morrow & Company (New York, 1970).
Harris Gaylord Warren, Herbert Hoover and the Great Depression, Norton Library (New York, 1967).
Joan Hoff Wilson, Herbert Hoover: Forgotten Progressive, Little, Brown, and Company (Boston, 1975).

 

[Foxfyre]

To repeat one more time:

Goverment infrastructure and services are voted by the people who are already in an area. Roads are built between two places where people already are or because many want to go someplace such as a public beach or national or state park or other attractions.

Yes subsequent businesses use the infrastructure that is already in place, mostly likely in part because they helped pay the taxes that made it possible when they were still working for the other guy.

But in any community of similar prosperity, simiilar education, similar standard of living, only some will risk sometimes everything they own by going into business. Because they do, all the people in the area have access to more jobs, to more convenient products and services. And the tax base is increased to provide more funding for maintenance or improvement of the infrastructure and government services.

Can the American businessman survive without government infrastructure and services? Yes, many did so for a long long time when there was no government infrastructure and when the only roads were the ruts the wagons and stage coaches cut across the prairie.

For the President to say that the businessman owes his existance and prosperity to government is to be as about as out of touch with reality as I've seen in my lifetime.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

what do SHOPPERS "owe their existence and prosperity to".......?

the government? (after all they use the roads too)
OR
their own efforts? (after all they work for their paychecks)

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The only problem with your right wing fairy tale...Herbert Hoover, in his OWN words.

The ‘leave-it-alone liquidationists’ headed by Secretary of the Treasury Mellon….

too stupid!!! You are a liberal and a liar too!! Obviously he was refering to Mellon as someone with whom he disagreed!!!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Tell that to these people chanel...

Sadly, the first words 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help' these people heard was from the RCMP...

That is the Royal CANADIAN Mounted Police, from Vancouver British Columbia

2192.6 Miles away!!!

Tragically, it was TOO LATE for most...

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

Amazing...You lefties cursed the federal government for reacting too slowly for your taste in the aftermath of Katrina. Now government is your hero( as if it never was not).
The proof here is you lefties kneel at the altar of government only if your side is running the show..Well, which party was running New Orleans and the state of Louisiana? That's right, the democrats.
The fact is the National Guard was air lifting people out of New Orleans just 24 hours after the storm had passed. 30,000 people were rescued from the floods. Yet, CNN and the other MSM outlets were cursing the Bush admin with charges of racism. Conspiracy theories from lower 9th Ward residents claiming the federal government blew up the levies so that downtown NO would not flood and to kill black people, were ACTUALLY REPORTED as legitimate news stories. The biggest culprit was ultra left wing lib CNN reporterette Soledad O'Brien. She was like a hooked fish. She went down there looking to find ANYTHING negative about the Bush admin she could. What she could not find she simply made up.
The blame for those who drowmed in their own homes rests squarely on the shoulders of Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin. They had all the authority they needed to evacuate those people. Those two people did NOTHING.

 

[thereisnospoon]

To repeat one more time:

Goverment infrastructure and services are voted by the people who are already in an area. Roads are built between two places where people already are or because many want to go someplace such as a public beach or national or state park or other attractions.

Yes subsequent businesses use the infrastructure that is already in place, mostly likely in part because they helped pay the taxes that made it possible when they were still working for the other guy.

But in any community of similar prosperity, simiilar education, similar standard of living, only some will risk sometimes everything they own by going into business. Because they do, all the people in the area have access to more jobs, to more convenient products and services. And the tax base is increased to provide more funding for maintenance or improvement of the infrastructure and government services.

Can the American businessman survive without government infrastructure and services? Yes, many did so for a long long time when there was no government infrastructure and when the only roads were the ruts the wagons and stage coaches cut across the prairie.

For the President to say that the businessman owes his existance and prosperity to government is to be as about as out of touch with reality as I've seen in my lifetime.

I have in my community a perfect example.
In nearby Charlotte, NC there is a loop which had been though of nearly 30 years ago. Back then the city leaders thought the road to be unnecessary because at that time few people resided on the outskirts of the city.
The road was built only once the population expanded outward from the center city.
The road was built once it had a use. Not the other way around as Obama and his lefty minions imply.

 

[P@triot]

Yep, it's terrifying when a woman having the shit beat out of her by her husband or boyfriend hears those words from a who is arresting the asshole.

Boy, if this isn't vintage liberal logic! The woman, in this "brilliant" scenario has already had the shit beat out of her. A lot of good it does to have the government come afterwards....

This is a glaring example of what a bunch of tools you pro-communists are. A self-sufficient woman, not relying on the government, would never have had the "shit beat out of her to begin with".

But hey, personal responsibility (like learning self-defense, strength training, and weapons training) takes effort, right? Better to get your ass beat horribly, then wait for the government to come afterwards and make an arrest...

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The blame for those who drowmed in their own homes rests squarely on the shoulders of Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin. They had all the authority they needed to evacuate those people. Those two people did NOTHING.

I do agree for sure but also we cant have government so respected and authoritative at any level that people stand around below sea level in a hurricane waiting for libturd bureaucrats to tell them whether to stay or go to higher ground.

Why should one libturd who might make a mistake hold the lives of an entire city in his hands.

The national economy ought to be looked at the same way.

 

[theunbubba]

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Obama is taking an interesting and dangerous approach on the campaign trail, telling successful business owners that they "didn't get there on their own", that their success is predicated in part on the labor and efforts (and taxes) of others. This gives the GOP an opening to say, "see, he hates business owners, we told you so."

On the other hand, it opens up a national conversation that I've never seen before, building on Elizabeth Warren's comments as she runs for office.

This tactic is flying right into the teeth of the GOP's strength, that business and employers are the key to economic success. He's betting that the GOP, so controlled by absolutists right now, is going to look anti-ALL workers, not just union.

Pretty brave, and I think it's a good conversation to have.

Obama Mocks Rich: 'You Didn't Get There On Your Own'

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He didn't think of that on his own:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/20/magazine/heaven-is-a-place-called-elizabeth-warren.html?_r=1