Another win for Religious Liberty

[Bob Blaylock]

This person is trying to stop the innocent people dying horrible deaths in the desert and you people are arguing he should be hung for treason.

Foreign criminals illegally invading a foreign country are not innocent.

Neither are filthy traitors who take the side of such invading foreign criminals, against that of their own fellow Americans.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The ministry of Jesus Christ was revolutionary in nature and the law executed him. He did what he did in defiance of the law. It is clear all these right-wingers who think they have exclusive rights to interpret the scriptures have seemingly never read the bible or care what it says except for the parts they can use to justify their hatred.

It's always funny, when those who openly despise Christianity presume to speak for Jesus.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The ministry of Jesus Christ was revolutionary in nature and the law executed him. He did what he did in defiance of the law. It is clear all these right-wingers who think they have exclusive rights to interpret the scriptures have seemingly never read the bible or care what it says except for the parts they can use to justify their hatred.

It's always funny, when those who openly despise Christianity presume to speak for Jesus.

Not as funny as those that claim to follow Him being ignorant of His teachings.

 

[occupied]

The ministry of Jesus Christ was revolutionary in nature and the law executed him. He did what he did in defiance of the law. It is clear all these right-wingers who think they have exclusive rights to interpret the scriptures have seemingly never read the bible or care what it says except for the parts they can use to justify their hatred.

It's always funny, when those who openly despise Christianity presume to speak for Jesus.

Jesus is fine, it's my Christian upbringing that is the basis for my politics. it's you people with Jesus in your mouths and the devil in your heart I have a problem with.

 

[blackhawk]

If he wants to leave water or food so be it one could argue by doing so he is helping people get into the country illegally thus helping them break the law and could be considered an accessory to the act it would be a weak arguement in my view though.

Anybody that supports the biggest criminal in the White house, has no credibility on anything concerning the law.

 

[CowboyTed]

Judge's Ruling Shows Religious Freedom Isn’t Just For The Christian Right

For Scott Warren, a 37-year-old geography teacher from Ajo, Arizona, freedom of religion means making sure migrants crossing a treacherous stretch of desert along the U.S.-Mexico border don’t die of dehydration.

What do you all think, does this fall under Religious Liberty?

Religious freedom is not a license to commit criminal acts.

Giving aid and comfort to foreign invaders is treason, one of the most serious criminal acts that an American citizen can commit. This should not stand, any more than it would stand for someone to claim a religious obligation to rob banks, or murder unbelievers.

The Bible is pretty explicit that we're not to plunder a stranger in the land.
tyroneweaver...member of the bishopric.

Well the Mexicans were in the land long before the Americans... Actually the Indians were before all of ye...

And your defination of plunder when they are in a lot of cases fleeing a war zone financed by US Drug demand...

 

[EvilCat Breath]

They are fleeing nothing. They have been coached as to what to say when caught. The best way to stop the invasion is to stop the people from even beginning the journey.

Tell them they will die in the desert. No one will help them. No one will leave out food or water. There are hunters ready to take trophies from their dead bodies and no one cares about the children. It no longer works. If you make it. As soon as you are discovered you will be deported.

Stay home. Make your country a better place.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I see the village idiot is doing his usual leftist emoji responses. Typical progressive drone, when you call them out they can only laugh.

Laughing at innocent people dying horrible deaths in the desert is despicable however.

But anything to push your globalist ideals, right asswipe?

This person is trying to stop the innocent people dying horrible deaths in the desert and you people are arguing he should be hung for treason.

That is the only despicable thing in this thread.

Helping the poor and the lost is not a globalist ideal, it is the very foundation of the Christian bible.

Hahaha...you are getting more LefTarded by the day...If you came home to find a couple dirty wetbacks have broken in for a drink of water I'm sure you'd greet them with a smile. Your PC and bleeding heart is turning you into a fucking retard.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I see the village idiot is doing his usual leftist emoji responses. Typical progressive drone, when you call them out they can only laugh.

Laughing at innocent people dying horrible deaths in the desert is despicable however.

But anything to push your globalist ideals, right asswipe?

This person is trying to stop the innocent people dying horrible deaths in the desert and you people are arguing he should be hung for treason.

That is the only despicable thing in this thread.

Helping the poor and the lost is not a globalist ideal, it is the very foundation of the Christian bible.

Hahaha...you are getting more LefTarded by the day...If you came home to find a couple dirty wetbacks have broken in for a drink of water I'm sure you'd greet them with a smile. Your PC and bleeding heart is turning you into a fucking retard.

Yep, here is the ultimate "leftard" in your view I suppose...

34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[f] you did it to me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

 

[BrokeLoser]

I see the village idiot is doing his usual leftist emoji responses. Typical progressive drone, when you call them out they can only laugh.

Laughing at innocent people dying horrible deaths in the desert is despicable however.

But anything to push your globalist ideals, right asswipe?

This person is trying to stop the innocent people dying horrible deaths in the desert and you people are arguing he should be hung for treason.

That is the only despicable thing in this thread.

Helping the poor and the lost is not a globalist ideal, it is the very foundation of the Christian bible.

Hahaha...you are getting more LefTarded by the day...If you came home to find a couple dirty wetbacks have broken in for a drink of water I'm sure you'd greet them with a smile. Your PC and bleeding heart is turning you into a fucking retard.

Yep, here is the ultimate "leftard" in your view I suppose...

34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[f] you did it to me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

II. GOD’S DESIGN: INDEPENDENT NATIONS
Our understanding and construction of a systematic theology on immigration must begin (like most theology) in the book of Genesis. After the flood in Genesis, chapters 7 and 8, God repeats His command (cf. Genesis 9:1 & 7) to mankind — the one that is first given in Genesis 1:28 — to . . .“Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.” Think, then, of Genesis 9 as a makeover.

A. THE TOWER OF BABEL
What’s happened here is this: after the fall of man (Genesis 3) God’s creation begins to show an ongoing, increasing proclivity to disobey Him — even His simplest commands. It is this overt, ongoing, and accelerating rebellion that necessitates the flood, the makeover. But inundation did not put an end to insubordination: soon thereafter creation’s defiance of God surfaces again in yet another way. Rather than scatter from the region of Ararat after the flood in concert with His earlier commands to fill the earth, the descendants of Noah willed to do just the opposite! They desired to stay put and build a monument! But this monument was not to honor how great Thou art — rather for how great we are! That monument is known as the Tower of Babel. Note how God reacts to fallen man’s one-nation plans in Genesis 11:6-8:

The LORD said, “Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.” So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.

Not good! The descendants of Noah were the first “empire builders,” bent on amassing their personal power. Here then is the underlying biblical reason why God wants there to be a diversity of nations — this is fundamental to understanding the mind of God as it relates to this week’s study.

THE SIN NATURE IN MAN NECESSITATES THE SEPARATION OF MAN INTO INDEPENDENT NATIONS
This is God’s way of counteracting man’s fallen nature. The axiom, “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupt absolutely”2 is underscored by the dispersion of man in Genesis 11. As a matter of fact, it is this same principle of Scripture that informed our Founding Fathers relative to the separation of powers within our one Government. The Tower of Babel illustrates the same idea: that one of the results of man’s fallen nature is his tendency to accumulate and then misuse power. Babel illustrates an all-out quest for a one-nation-in-the-world form of existence and governance, wherein man worships his own greatness rather than God’s. Babel serves to illustrate man’s open defiance of God. Its modern-day equivalent is the philosophy of Humanism.

B. THE COMING ANTICHRIST
Further evidence of God’s opposition to a one-nation-world is the future establishment of such a world by the coming Antichrist. Note Revelation 13:7 in this regard:

It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.

At this point in time, God will grant Satan and his pawn, the Antichrist, temporary control over civil government as the Antichrist rules over a one-nation-world.3 Thus, both Genesis 11 and Revelation 13, in different ways, serve to underscore this biblical truth and rudimentary principle in the formation of a theology on immigration:

GOD DESIRES THE WORLD TO BE INHABITED BY NUMEROUS INDEPENDENT NATIONS
This foundational premise is where our study of immigration must begin because many things flow out of it: For instance, some people think that God today is for a borderless world. He is not! It follows from Genesis 11 that nations, by God’s design, are to have different languages, cultures, and boundaries. Out of necessity and remedy for the fall and the power-hungry presence of sin, it is easy to understand why this is God’s blueprint for today. In this way God is more apt to receive glory from His creation than if, like the prideful world-conquering empires of history — Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, the dream of Hitler, or that of the coming Antichrist — mankind becomes caught up in self-worship and uses his unchecked amassing of power to abuse others whom God has created in His own image and likeness. The witness of history, however, is this: the diversification-of-nations principle has been violated by many would-be world conquerors. Accordingly, and importantly, so the Lord scattered is a passage one must count as fundamental to the immigration debate. Summarily, this is the reason and the basis for multiple, independent nations, the existence of which is so fundamental to a proper Christian worldview and understanding.4

III. GOD’S DESIGN: BORDERS AND BOUNDARIES
It follows that, if God’s design is for independent nations, then there must be national borders and boundaries for those independent nations. And it follows that there must be enforcement of borders and boundaries by governments in order to maintain a nation’s independence. All of this logically flows from so the Lord scattered.

Now add Romans 13:1 from the NT to our theological construction. This passage expressly states and reinforces the proposition: God is the author of independent nations:

Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

Notice the last part of this passage: those which exist are established by God. Scripture teaches not only that the Lord scattered people, but in addition, specifically that He established governments and nations. These are key constructive, essential principles relative to immigration. In addition, note that this is all part of what theologians term the mediatorial reign of Christ, i.e., how God in His sovereignty manifests His reign during His physical absence prior to His second coming wherein He will personally reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

That the will of God is for the existence of independent nations with national borders and boundaries is further evidenced by God’s descriptive words relative to the classification of people in the OT nation of Israel:

IV. GOD’S DESIGN: COUNTRYMAN AND SOJOURNERS
In numerous OT passages, the student of Scripture learns that the God of Israel distinguished among three types of people in the land; those are summarized in the following sidebar.

 

[Coyote]

Judge's Ruling Shows Religious Freedom Isn’t Just For The Christian Right

For Scott Warren, a 37-year-old geography teacher from Ajo, Arizona, freedom of religion means making sure migrants crossing a treacherous stretch of desert along the U.S.-Mexico border don’t die of dehydration.

What do you all think, does this fall under Religious Liberty?

Judge's Ruling Shows Religious Freedom Isn’t Just For The Christian Right

For Scott Warren, a 37-year-old geography teacher from Ajo, Arizona, freedom of religion means making sure migrants crossing a treacherous stretch of desert along the U.S.-Mexico border don’t die of dehydration.

What do you all think, does this fall under Religious Liberty?

Religious freedom is not a license to commit criminal acts.

Giving aid and comfort to foreign invaders is treason, one of the most serious criminal acts that an American citizen can commit. This should not stand, any more than it would stand for someone to claim a religious obligation to rob banks, or murder unbelievers.

Our legal system does not see them as foreign invaders, thus your point is not valid.

Judge's Ruling Shows Religious Freedom Isn’t Just For The Christian Right

For Scott Warren, a 37-year-old geography teacher from Ajo, Arizona, freedom of religion means making sure migrants crossing a treacherous stretch of desert along the U.S.-Mexico border don’t die of dehydration.

What do you all think, does this fall under Religious Liberty?

No

Why not? Is this any different than choosing not to bake a cake or take a photo?

You severely LefTarded pukes are so damn fascinating.
LefTard Logic:
“Aiding and abetting criminals and encouraging them to fuck over fellow countrymen is one and the same with a Christian baker refusing to bake a cake depicting men buttfucking each other.”

You dumbmotherfuckers struggle to make the simplest distinctions.
You’ll stoop to any level to justify your filth....haha...good shit, thanks.

The Christian baker was not asked to make a cake with men butt fucking each other.

And the Christian Samaritan leaving out food and water in an attempt to prevent deaths is not encouraging anyone to fuck anyone else over.

Your logic is the only thing fucked in this.

Wrong. The Christian baker was asked to make a cake celebrating men butt fucking each other. The Samaritan leaves out food and water as assistance to invaders to kill people here. Killers like the men who killed Mollie Tibbets, Kate Steinle, Brian Terru, Jamile Shaw Jr and many others. Invaders who fuck puppies to death.

Clean the litter and open the damn border to hunting.

Wow..you guys are murderous thugs.

Is a wedding cake a celebration of men and women fucking each other? You guys have some odd ideas about marriage.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I see the village idiot is doing his usual leftist emoji responses. Typical progressive drone, when you call them out they can only laugh.

Laughing at innocent people dying horrible deaths in the desert is despicable however.

But anything to push your globalist ideals, right asswipe?

This person is trying to stop the innocent people dying horrible deaths in the desert and you people are arguing he should be hung for treason.

That is the only despicable thing in this thread.

Helping the poor and the lost is not a globalist ideal, it is the very foundation of the Christian bible.

Hahaha...you are getting more LefTarded by the day...If you came home to find a couple dirty wetbacks have broken in for a drink of water I'm sure you'd greet them with a smile. Your PC and bleeding heart is turning you into a fucking retard.

Yep, here is the ultimate "leftard" in your view I suppose...

34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[f] you did it to me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

II. GOD’S DESIGN: INDEPENDENT NATIONS
Our understanding and construction of a systematic theology on immigration must begin (like most theology) in the book of Genesis. After the flood in Genesis, chapters 7 and 8, God repeats His command (cf. Genesis 9:1 & 7) to mankind — the one that is first given in Genesis 1:28 — to . . .“Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.” Think, then, of Genesis 9 as a makeover.

A. THE TOWER OF BABEL
What’s happened here is this: after the fall of man (Genesis 3) God’s creation begins to show an ongoing, increasing proclivity to disobey Him — even His simplest commands. It is this overt, ongoing, and accelerating rebellion that necessitates the flood, the makeover. But inundation did not put an end to insubordination: soon thereafter creation’s defiance of God surfaces again in yet another way. Rather than scatter from the region of Ararat after the flood in concert with His earlier commands to fill the earth, the descendants of Noah willed to do just the opposite! They desired to stay put and build a monument! But this monument was not to honor how great Thou art — rather for how great we are! That monument is known as the Tower of Babel. Note how God reacts to fallen man’s one-nation plans in Genesis 11:6-8:

The LORD said, “Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.” So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.

Not good! The descendants of Noah were the first “empire builders,” bent on amassing their personal power. Here then is the underlying biblical reason why God wants there to be a diversity of nations — this is fundamental to understanding the mind of God as it relates to this week’s study.

THE SIN NATURE IN MAN NECESSITATES THE SEPARATION OF MAN INTO INDEPENDENT NATIONS
This is God’s way of counteracting man’s fallen nature. The axiom, “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupt absolutely”2 is underscored by the dispersion of man in Genesis 11. As a matter of fact, it is this same principle of Scripture that informed our Founding Fathers relative to the separation of powers within our one Government. The Tower of Babel illustrates the same idea: that one of the results of man’s fallen nature is his tendency to accumulate and then misuse power. Babel illustrates an all-out quest for a one-nation-in-the-world form of existence and governance, wherein man worships his own greatness rather than God’s. Babel serves to illustrate man’s open defiance of God. Its modern-day equivalent is the philosophy of Humanism.

B. THE COMING ANTICHRIST
Further evidence of God’s opposition to a one-nation-world is the future establishment of such a world by the coming Antichrist. Note Revelation 13:7 in this regard:

It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.

At this point in time, God will grant Satan and his pawn, the Antichrist, temporary control over civil government as the Antichrist rules over a one-nation-world.3 Thus, both Genesis 11 and Revelation 13, in different ways, serve to underscore this biblical truth and rudimentary principle in the formation of a theology on immigration:

GOD DESIRES THE WORLD TO BE INHABITED BY NUMEROUS INDEPENDENT NATIONS
This foundational premise is where our study of immigration must begin because many things flow out of it: For instance, some people think that God today is for a borderless world. He is not! It follows from Genesis 11 that nations, by God’s design, are to have different languages, cultures, and boundaries. Out of necessity and remedy for the fall and the power-hungry presence of sin, it is easy to understand why this is God’s blueprint for today. In this way God is more apt to receive glory from His creation than if, like the prideful world-conquering empires of history — Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, the dream of Hitler, or that of the coming Antichrist — mankind becomes caught up in self-worship and uses his unchecked amassing of power to abuse others whom God has created in His own image and likeness. The witness of history, however, is this: the diversification-of-nations principle has been violated by many would-be world conquerors. Accordingly, and importantly, so the Lord scattered is a passage one must count as fundamental to the immigration debate. Summarily, this is the reason and the basis for multiple, independent nations, the existence of which is so fundamental to a proper Christian worldview and understanding.4

III. GOD’S DESIGN: BORDERS AND BOUNDARIES
It follows that, if God’s design is for independent nations, then there must be national borders and boundaries for those independent nations. And it follows that there must be enforcement of borders and boundaries by governments in order to maintain a nation’s independence. All of this logically flows from so the Lord scattered.

Now add Romans 13:1 from the NT to our theological construction. This passage expressly states and reinforces the proposition: God is the author of independent nations:

Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

Notice the last part of this passage: those which exist are established by God. Scripture teaches not only that the Lord scattered people, but in addition, specifically that He established governments and nations. These are key constructive, essential principles relative to immigration. In addition, note that this is all part of what theologians term the mediatorial reign of Christ, i.e., how God in His sovereignty manifests His reign during His physical absence prior to His second coming wherein He will personally reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

That the will of God is for the existence of independent nations with national borders and boundaries is further evidenced by God’s descriptive words relative to the classification of people in the OT nation of Israel:

IV. GOD’S DESIGN: COUNTRYMAN AND SOJOURNERS
In numerous OT passages, the student of Scripture learns that the God of Israel distinguished among three types of people in the land; those are summarized in the following sidebar.

Non sequitur much?

Interesting also that you cannot actually quote any scripture, just give someone other person's opinion of what the scriptures say.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Judge's Ruling Shows Religious Freedom Isn’t Just For The Christian Right

For Scott Warren, a 37-year-old geography teacher from Ajo, Arizona, freedom of religion means making sure migrants crossing a treacherous stretch of desert along the U.S.-Mexico border don’t die of dehydration.

What do you all think, does this fall under Religious Liberty?

Religious freedom is not a license to commit criminal acts.

Giving aid and comfort to foreign invaders is treason, one of the most serious criminal acts that an American citizen can commit. This should not stand, any more than it would stand for someone to claim a religious obligation to rob banks, or murder unbelievers.

Our legal system does not see them as foreign invaders, thus your point is not valid.

No

Why not? Is this any different than choosing not to bake a cake or take a photo?

You severely LefTarded pukes are so damn fascinating.
LefTard Logic:
“Aiding and abetting criminals and encouraging them to fuck over fellow countrymen is one and the same with a Christian baker refusing to bake a cake depicting men buttfucking each other.”

You dumbmotherfuckers struggle to make the simplest distinctions.
You’ll stoop to any level to justify your filth....haha...good shit, thanks.

The Christian baker was not asked to make a cake with men butt fucking each other.

And the Christian Samaritan leaving out food and water in an attempt to prevent deaths is not encouraging anyone to fuck anyone else over.

Your logic is the only thing fucked in this.

Wrong. The Christian baker was asked to make a cake celebrating men butt fucking each other. The Samaritan leaves out food and water as assistance to invaders to kill people here. Killers like the men who killed Mollie Tibbets, Kate Steinle, Brian Terru, Jamile Shaw Jr and many others. Invaders who fuck puppies to death.

Clean the litter and open the damn border to hunting.

Wow..you guys are murderous thugs.

Is a wedding cake a celebration of men and women fucking each other? You guys have some odd ideas about marriage.

while they are murderous thugs, why do you think that married people do not fuck?

 

[BrokeLoser]

I see the village idiot is doing his usual leftist emoji responses. Typical progressive drone, when you call them out they can only laugh.

Laughing at innocent people dying horrible deaths in the desert is despicable however.

But anything to push your globalist ideals, right asswipe?

This person is trying to stop the innocent people dying horrible deaths in the desert and you people are arguing he should be hung for treason.

That is the only despicable thing in this thread.

Helping the poor and the lost is not a globalist ideal, it is the very foundation of the Christian bible.

Hahaha...you are getting more LefTarded by the day...If you came home to find a couple dirty wetbacks have broken in for a drink of water I'm sure you'd greet them with a smile. Your PC and bleeding heart is turning you into a fucking retard.

Yep, here is the ultimate "leftard" in your view I suppose...

34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[f] you did it to me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

II. GOD’S DESIGN: INDEPENDENT NATIONS
Our understanding and construction of a systematic theology on immigration must begin (like most theology) in the book of Genesis. After the flood in Genesis, chapters 7 and 8, God repeats His command (cf. Genesis 9:1 & 7) to mankind — the one that is first given in Genesis 1:28 — to . . .“Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.” Think, then, of Genesis 9 as a makeover.

A. THE TOWER OF BABEL
What’s happened here is this: after the fall of man (Genesis 3) God’s creation begins to show an ongoing, increasing proclivity to disobey Him — even His simplest commands. It is this overt, ongoing, and accelerating rebellion that necessitates the flood, the makeover. But inundation did not put an end to insubordination: soon thereafter creation’s defiance of God surfaces again in yet another way. Rather than scatter from the region of Ararat after the flood in concert with His earlier commands to fill the earth, the descendants of Noah willed to do just the opposite! They desired to stay put and build a monument! But this monument was not to honor how great Thou art — rather for how great we are! That monument is known as the Tower of Babel. Note how God reacts to fallen man’s one-nation plans in Genesis 11:6-8:

The LORD said, “Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.” So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.

Not good! The descendants of Noah were the first “empire builders,” bent on amassing their personal power. Here then is the underlying biblical reason why God wants there to be a diversity of nations — this is fundamental to understanding the mind of God as it relates to this week’s study.

THE SIN NATURE IN MAN NECESSITATES THE SEPARATION OF MAN INTO INDEPENDENT NATIONS
This is God’s way of counteracting man’s fallen nature. The axiom, “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupt absolutely”2 is underscored by the dispersion of man in Genesis 11. As a matter of fact, it is this same principle of Scripture that informed our Founding Fathers relative to the separation of powers within our one Government. The Tower of Babel illustrates the same idea: that one of the results of man’s fallen nature is his tendency to accumulate and then misuse power. Babel illustrates an all-out quest for a one-nation-in-the-world form of existence and governance, wherein man worships his own greatness rather than God’s. Babel serves to illustrate man’s open defiance of God. Its modern-day equivalent is the philosophy of Humanism.

B. THE COMING ANTICHRIST
Further evidence of God’s opposition to a one-nation-world is the future establishment of such a world by the coming Antichrist. Note Revelation 13:7 in this regard:

It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.

At this point in time, God will grant Satan and his pawn, the Antichrist, temporary control over civil government as the Antichrist rules over a one-nation-world.3 Thus, both Genesis 11 and Revelation 13, in different ways, serve to underscore this biblical truth and rudimentary principle in the formation of a theology on immigration:

GOD DESIRES THE WORLD TO BE INHABITED BY NUMEROUS INDEPENDENT NATIONS
This foundational premise is where our study of immigration must begin because many things flow out of it: For instance, some people think that God today is for a borderless world. He is not! It follows from Genesis 11 that nations, by God’s design, are to have different languages, cultures, and boundaries. Out of necessity and remedy for the fall and the power-hungry presence of sin, it is easy to understand why this is God’s blueprint for today. In this way God is more apt to receive glory from His creation than if, like the prideful world-conquering empires of history — Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, the dream of Hitler, or that of the coming Antichrist — mankind becomes caught up in self-worship and uses his unchecked amassing of power to abuse others whom God has created in His own image and likeness. The witness of history, however, is this: the diversification-of-nations principle has been violated by many would-be world conquerors. Accordingly, and importantly, so the Lord scattered is a passage one must count as fundamental to the immigration debate. Summarily, this is the reason and the basis for multiple, independent nations, the existence of which is so fundamental to a proper Christian worldview and understanding.4

III. GOD’S DESIGN: BORDERS AND BOUNDARIES
It follows that, if God’s design is for independent nations, then there must be national borders and boundaries for those independent nations. And it follows that there must be enforcement of borders and boundaries by governments in order to maintain a nation’s independence. All of this logically flows from so the Lord scattered.

Now add Romans 13:1 from the NT to our theological construction. This passage expressly states and reinforces the proposition: God is the author of independent nations:

Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

Notice the last part of this passage: those which exist are established by God. Scripture teaches not only that the Lord scattered people, but in addition, specifically that He established governments and nations. These are key constructive, essential principles relative to immigration. In addition, note that this is all part of what theologians term the mediatorial reign of Christ, i.e., how God in His sovereignty manifests His reign during His physical absence prior to His second coming wherein He will personally reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

That the will of God is for the existence of independent nations with national borders and boundaries is further evidenced by God’s descriptive words relative to the classification of people in the OT nation of Israel:

IV. GOD’S DESIGN: COUNTRYMAN AND SOJOURNERS
In numerous OT passages, the student of Scripture learns that the God of Israel distinguished among three types of people in the land; those are summarized in the following sidebar.

Non sequitur much?

Interesting also that you cannot actually quote any scripture, just give someone other person's opinion of what the scriptures say.

Just cherry picking scripture like some dumbmotherfuckers did.
Look, cut the bullshit, you've become worse than Slade3200 with all you retarded semantics. You either love your wetbacks fucking you and your countrymen over or you want them stopped at all costs. You can't have your warm and fuzzy FEEL GOOD middle ground on this one bud...SACK UP!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Just cherry picking scripture like some dumbmotherfuckers did.
Look, cut the bullshit, you've become worse than Slade3200 with all you retarded semantics. You either love your wetbacks fucking you and your countrymen over or you want them stopped at all costs. You can't have your warm and fuzzy FEEL GOOD middle ground on this one bud...SACK UP!

The scripture I quoted is relevant to the OP and the case.

This is about the free exercise of religious liberty, not about your racist hatred.

Even in your hate filled rage you have to admit that the person is following this very direct passage from Jesus.

 

[Mac1958]

Jesus is fine, it's my Christian upbringing that is the basis for my politics. it's you people with Jesus in your mouths and the devil in your heart I have a problem with.

No shortage of those folks here on good 'ol USMB.
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[LordBrownTrout]

No thats not a religion.

Baking a cake is not a religion either.

He is doing something that his religious beliefs call him to do, something that has much support in the bible.

Try reading the story of Ruth and Boaz.

I've read Ruth. What's he's doing is not religion. It's very noble. Religion is full of apostasy and modern day pharisees and sadducees.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Just cherry picking scripture like some dumbmotherfuckers did.
Look, cut the bullshit, you've become worse than Slade3200 with all you retarded semantics. You either love your wetbacks fucking you and your countrymen over or you want them stopped at all costs. You can't have your warm and fuzzy FEEL GOOD middle ground on this one bud...SACK UP!

The scripture I quoted is relevant to the OP and the case.

This is about the free exercise of religious liberty, not about your racist hatred.

Even in your hate filled rage you have to admit that the person is following this very direct passage from Jesus.

Not really...you should probably study Romans 13 and the teachings of Apostle Paul regarding civil obedience.

 

[Slade3200]

This person is trying to stop the innocent people dying horrible deaths in the desert and you people are arguing he should be hung for treason.

That is the only despicable thing in this thread.

Helping the poor and the lost is not a globalist ideal, it is the very foundation of the Christian bible.

Hahaha...you are getting more LefTarded by the day...If you came home to find a couple dirty wetbacks have broken in for a drink of water I'm sure you'd greet them with a smile. Your PC and bleeding heart is turning you into a fucking retard.

Yep, here is the ultimate "leftard" in your view I suppose...

34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[f] you did it to me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

II. GOD’S DESIGN: INDEPENDENT NATIONS
Our understanding and construction of a systematic theology on immigration must begin (like most theology) in the book of Genesis. After the flood in Genesis, chapters 7 and 8, God repeats His command (cf. Genesis 9:1 & 7) to mankind — the one that is first given in Genesis 1:28 — to . . .“Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.” Think, then, of Genesis 9 as a makeover.

A. THE TOWER OF BABEL
What’s happened here is this: after the fall of man (Genesis 3) God’s creation begins to show an ongoing, increasing proclivity to disobey Him — even His simplest commands. It is this overt, ongoing, and accelerating rebellion that necessitates the flood, the makeover. But inundation did not put an end to insubordination: soon thereafter creation’s defiance of God surfaces again in yet another way. Rather than scatter from the region of Ararat after the flood in concert with His earlier commands to fill the earth, the descendants of Noah willed to do just the opposite! They desired to stay put and build a monument! But this monument was not to honor how great Thou art — rather for how great we are! That monument is known as the Tower of Babel. Note how God reacts to fallen man’s one-nation plans in Genesis 11:6-8:

The LORD said, “Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.” So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.

Not good! The descendants of Noah were the first “empire builders,” bent on amassing their personal power. Here then is the underlying biblical reason why God wants there to be a diversity of nations — this is fundamental to understanding the mind of God as it relates to this week’s study.

THE SIN NATURE IN MAN NECESSITATES THE SEPARATION OF MAN INTO INDEPENDENT NATIONS
This is God’s way of counteracting man’s fallen nature. The axiom, “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupt absolutely”2 is underscored by the dispersion of man in Genesis 11. As a matter of fact, it is this same principle of Scripture that informed our Founding Fathers relative to the separation of powers within our one Government. The Tower of Babel illustrates the same idea: that one of the results of man’s fallen nature is his tendency to accumulate and then misuse power. Babel illustrates an all-out quest for a one-nation-in-the-world form of existence and governance, wherein man worships his own greatness rather than God’s. Babel serves to illustrate man’s open defiance of God. Its modern-day equivalent is the philosophy of Humanism.

B. THE COMING ANTICHRIST
Further evidence of God’s opposition to a one-nation-world is the future establishment of such a world by the coming Antichrist. Note Revelation 13:7 in this regard:

It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.

At this point in time, God will grant Satan and his pawn, the Antichrist, temporary control over civil government as the Antichrist rules over a one-nation-world.3 Thus, both Genesis 11 and Revelation 13, in different ways, serve to underscore this biblical truth and rudimentary principle in the formation of a theology on immigration:

GOD DESIRES THE WORLD TO BE INHABITED BY NUMEROUS INDEPENDENT NATIONS
This foundational premise is where our study of immigration must begin because many things flow out of it: For instance, some people think that God today is for a borderless world. He is not! It follows from Genesis 11 that nations, by God’s design, are to have different languages, cultures, and boundaries. Out of necessity and remedy for the fall and the power-hungry presence of sin, it is easy to understand why this is God’s blueprint for today. In this way God is more apt to receive glory from His creation than if, like the prideful world-conquering empires of history — Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, the dream of Hitler, or that of the coming Antichrist — mankind becomes caught up in self-worship and uses his unchecked amassing of power to abuse others whom God has created in His own image and likeness. The witness of history, however, is this: the diversification-of-nations principle has been violated by many would-be world conquerors. Accordingly, and importantly, so the Lord scattered is a passage one must count as fundamental to the immigration debate. Summarily, this is the reason and the basis for multiple, independent nations, the existence of which is so fundamental to a proper Christian worldview and understanding.4

III. GOD’S DESIGN: BORDERS AND BOUNDARIES
It follows that, if God’s design is for independent nations, then there must be national borders and boundaries for those independent nations. And it follows that there must be enforcement of borders and boundaries by governments in order to maintain a nation’s independence. All of this logically flows from so the Lord scattered.

Now add Romans 13:1 from the NT to our theological construction. This passage expressly states and reinforces the proposition: God is the author of independent nations:

Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

Notice the last part of this passage: those which exist are established by God. Scripture teaches not only that the Lord scattered people, but in addition, specifically that He established governments and nations. These are key constructive, essential principles relative to immigration. In addition, note that this is all part of what theologians term the mediatorial reign of Christ, i.e., how God in His sovereignty manifests His reign during His physical absence prior to His second coming wherein He will personally reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

That the will of God is for the existence of independent nations with national borders and boundaries is further evidenced by God’s descriptive words relative to the classification of people in the OT nation of Israel:

IV. GOD’S DESIGN: COUNTRYMAN AND SOJOURNERS
In numerous OT passages, the student of Scripture learns that the God of Israel distinguished among three types of people in the land; those are summarized in the following sidebar.

Non sequitur much?

Interesting also that you cannot actually quote any scripture, just give someone other person's opinion of what the scriptures say.

Just cherry picking scripture like some dumbmotherfuckers did.
Look, cut the bullshit, you've become worse than Slade3200 with all you retarded semantics. You either love your wetbacks fucking you and your countrymen over or you want them stopped at all costs. You can't have your warm and fuzzy FEEL GOOD middle ground on this one bud...SACK UP!

i see BL is running from the substance again and resorting to the personal attacks. That’s when you know you won the debate. Well done Gator

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Just cherry picking scripture like some dumbmotherfuckers did.
Look, cut the bullshit, you've become worse than Slade3200 with all you retarded semantics. You either love your wetbacks fucking you and your countrymen over or you want them stopped at all costs. You can't have your warm and fuzzy FEEL GOOD middle ground on this one bud...SACK UP!

The scripture I quoted is relevant to the OP and the case.

This is about the free exercise of religious liberty, not about your racist hatred.

Even in your hate filled rage you have to admit that the person is following this very direct passage from Jesus.

Not really...you should probably study Romans 13 and the teachings of Apostle Paul regarding civil obedience.

So, you disagree with bakers refusing to bake cakes and and the like?

Also, have you ever actually read Romans 13?