Confederate Flag? Symbol of racism?

[Ernie S.]

so is there a "Hidden/Transparent" image of a slave in the center of the flag?

No there isn`t but anyone with a room temperature IQ knows that that flag represents a violent failed revolution where traitors from one section of the country were willing to take up arms to preserve slavery in that treasonous section of the country. Anybody who wants to keep rebel flags flying over state property at taxpayers expense and maintain statues glorifying the leaders of this racist treasonous rebellion on state grounds, are assholes and deviants.

It was not meant to be a violent, failed revolution. It was simply good bye to a government that no longer represented the South. Lincoln made it violent.

Why did the gov't no longer represent the south. What was the rub?

States' Rights.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

so is there a "Hidden/Transparent" image of a slave in the center of the flag?

No there isn`t but anyone with a room temperature IQ knows that that flag represents a violent failed revolution where traitors from one section of the country were willing to take up arms to preserve slavery in that treasonous section of the country. Anybody who wants to keep rebel flags flying over state property at taxpayers expense and maintain statues glorifying the leaders of this racist treasonous rebellion on state grounds, are assholes and deviants.

It was not meant to be a violent, failed revolution. It was simply good bye to a government that no longer represented the South. Lincoln made it violent.

Why did the gov't no longer represent the south. What was the rub?

States' Rights.

States' rights in regard to what issue?

 

[defcon4]

so is there a "Hidden/Transparent" image of a slave in the center of the flag?

No there isn`t but anyone with a room temperature IQ knows that that flag represents a violent failed revolution where traitors from one section of the country were willing to take up arms to preserve slavery in that treasonous section of the country. Anybody who wants to keep rebel flags flying over state property at taxpayers expense and maintain statues glorifying the leaders of this racist treasonous rebellion on state grounds, are assholes and deviants.

It was not meant to be a violent, failed revolution. It was simply good bye to a government that no longer represented the South. Lincoln made it violent.

Why did the gov't no longer represent the south. What was the rub?

States' Rights.

Don't fall for Hutch Starskey's bullshit, he just wants you to get worked up. On the other hand, South Carolina governor Haley has no Southern roots per se. She cannot identify with Southern people and their heritage.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

so is there a "Hidden/Transparent" image of a slave in the center of the flag?

No there isn`t but anyone with a room temperature IQ knows that that flag represents a violent failed revolution where traitors from one section of the country were willing to take up arms to preserve slavery in that treasonous section of the country. Anybody who wants to keep rebel flags flying over state property at taxpayers expense and maintain statues glorifying the leaders of this racist treasonous rebellion on state grounds, are assholes and deviants.

It was not meant to be a violent, failed revolution. It was simply good bye to a government that no longer represented the South. Lincoln made it violent.

Why did the gov't no longer represent the south. What was the rub?

States' Rights.

Don't fall for Hutch Starskey's bullshit, he just wants you to get worked up. On the other hand, South Carolina governor Haley has no Southern roots per se. She cannot identify with Southern people and their heritage.

Bullshit?

Tell us what issue the southern states wanted the right to decide for themselves.

 

[Ernie S.]

so is there a "Hidden/Transparent" image of a slave in the center of the flag?

No there isn`t but anyone with a room temperature IQ knows that that flag represents a violent failed revolution where traitors from one section of the country were willing to take up arms to preserve slavery in that treasonous section of the country. Anybody who wants to keep rebel flags flying over state property at taxpayers expense and maintain statues glorifying the leaders of this racist treasonous rebellion on state grounds, are assholes and deviants.

It was not meant to be a violent, failed revolution. It was simply good bye to a government that no longer represented the South. Lincoln made it violent.

Why did the gov't no longer represent the south. What was the rub?

States' Rights.

States' rights in regard to what issue?

I suggest you read Article 1, Section 8 COTUS

 

[boedicca]

The Confederate Battle flag is a symbol of Southern Pride. The Confederacy did not represent all of the South - many Southerners opposed it and fought against it. The Confederacy Period also is about 1% of the lifespan to date of the South. To the non-unhinged, it's just a regional symbol. Sadly, it has been spun into a racist symbol by those who wish to control blacks and smack down the conservatives in the South.

 

[Ernie S.]

The, read the 10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The, read the 10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Yeah, they lost that battle.

 

[Ernie S.]

I agree, but the battle should never have been fought.
Where in Article 1 Section 8 does it say the government has a right to force States to remain in the Union?

 

[defcon4]

No there isn`t but anyone with a room temperature IQ knows that that flag represents a violent failed revolution where traitors from one section of the country were willing to take up arms to preserve slavery in that treasonous section of the country. Anybody who wants to keep rebel flags flying over state property at taxpayers expense and maintain statues glorifying the leaders of this racist treasonous rebellion on state grounds, are assholes and deviants.

It was not meant to be a violent, failed revolution. It was simply good bye to a government that no longer represented the South. Lincoln made it violent.

Why did the gov't no longer represent the south. What was the rub?

States' Rights.

Don't fall for Hutch Starskey's bullshit, he just wants you to get worked up. On the other hand, South Carolina governor Haley has no Southern roots per se. She cannot identify with Southern people and their heritage.

Bullshit?

Tell us what issue the southern states wanted the right to decide for themselves.

What the fuck that "tell us" is about? Are you using royal plural now? Perfectly illustrates your mindset.

 

[defcon4]

I agree, but the battle should never have been fought.
Where in Article 1 Section 8 does it say the government has a right to force States to remain in the Union?

Hutch Starskey is working according to Saul Alinsky's book. It took a while to recognize the pattern.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The Confederate Battle flag is a symbol of Southern Pride. The Confederacy did not represent all of the South - many Southerners opposed it and fought against it. The Confederacy Period also is about 1% of the lifespan to date of the South. To the non-unhinged, it's just a regional symbol. Sadly, it has been spun into a racist symbol by those who wish to control blacks and smack down the conservatives in the South.

The flag, all of the confederate flags, flew in defiance of a country that was becoming increasingly hostile to the cause of slavery.
They flew in support of those who fought to preserve slavery.

I can't think of anything more inherintly racist than the idea of slavery. The idea that white people had the right of natural supremacy and dominion over blacks.

To say it's about some sort of pride without considering those facts is in my opinion juvenile thinking. It represents slavery. Slavery is the ultimate form of racism.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It was not meant to be a violent, failed revolution. It was simply good bye to a government that no longer represented the South. Lincoln made it violent.

Why did the gov't no longer represent the south. What was the rub?

States' Rights.

Don't fall for Hutch Starskey's bullshit, he just wants you to get worked up. On the other hand, South Carolina governor Haley has no Southern roots per se. She cannot identify with Southern people and their heritage.

Bullshit?

Tell us what issue the southern states wanted the right to decide for themselves.

What the fuck that "tell us" is about? Are you using royal plural now? Perfectly illustrates your mindset.

"Us". All of those reading this. It's pretty self evident. Your lack of understanding shows why you should stay in the shallow end with the children.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I agree, but the battle should never have been fought.
Where in Article 1 Section 8 does it say the government has a right to force States to remain in the Union?

They did though. Aren't we all glad today that they did?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I agree, but the battle should never have been fought.
Where in Article 1 Section 8 does it say the government has a right to force States to remain in the Union?

Hutch Starskey is working according to Saul Alinsky's book. It took a while to recognize the pattern.

Am I, or are you?
I'm simply giving my take on it.
You seem to be the one attacking me .

 

[defcon4]

The Confederate Battle flag is a symbol of Southern Pride. The Confederacy did not represent all of the South - many Southerners opposed it and fought against it. The Confederacy Period also is about 1% of the lifespan to date of the South. To the non-unhinged, it's just a regional symbol. Sadly, it has been spun into a racist symbol by those who wish to control blacks and smack down the conservatives in the South.

The flag, all of the confederate flags, flew in defiance of a country that was becoming increasingly hostile to the cause of slavery.
They flew in support of those who fought to preserve slavery.

I can't think of anything more inherintly racist than the idea of slavery. The idea that white people had the right of natural supremacy and dominion over blacks.

To say it's about some sort of pride without considering those facts is in my opinion juvenile thinking. It represents slavery. Slavery is the ultimate form of racism.

This below comes from a Yankee source:
'White Slavery' in the ante-Bellum South and Civil War Era: A Little Known Phenomenon'
White Slavery in the ante-Bellum South and Civil War Era A Little Known Phenomenon Historical Society of Pennsylvania

 

[Ernie S.]

The Confederate Battle flag is a symbol of Southern Pride. The Confederacy did not represent all of the South - many Southerners opposed it and fought against it. The Confederacy Period also is about 1% of the lifespan to date of the South. To the non-unhinged, it's just a regional symbol. Sadly, it has been spun into a racist symbol by those who wish to control blacks and smack down the conservatives in the South.

The flag, all of the confederate flags, flew in defiance of a country that was becoming increasingly hostile to the cause of slavery.
They flew in support of those who fought to preserve slavery.

I can't think of anything more inherintly racist than the idea of slavery. The idea that white people had the right of natural supremacy and dominion over blacks.

To say it's about some sort of pride without considering those facts is in my opinion juvenile thinking. It represents slavery. Slavery is the ultimate form of racism.

Look! No one is arguing that slavery was just or that blacks should be returned to bondage. We only argue that the states, according to the Constitution had the right to leave the Union in order to preserve that institution.

 

[defcon4]

To illustrate that slavery was not unique to the USA in that ERA here is something:
"Ohio State University history Professor Robert Davis describes the white slave trade as minimized by most modern historians in his book Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500–1800 (Palgrave Macmillan). Davis estimates that 1 million to 1.25 million white Christian Europeans were enslaved in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th, by slave traders from Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli alone (these numbers do not include the European people which were enslaved by Morocco and by other raiders and traders of the Mediterranean Sea coast),[1] and roughly 700 Americans were held captive in this region as slaves between 1785 and 1815.[2] 16th- and 17th-century customs statistics suggest that Istanbul's additional slave import from the Black Sea may have totaled around 2.5 million from 1450 to 1700.[3] The markets declined after the loss of the Barbary Wars and finally ended in the 1830s, when the region was conquered by France."
Barbary slave trade - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Slavery had nothing to do with white on black racism in the era. Slavery was slavery for slavery's sake.

 

[boedicca]

The Confederate Battle flag is a symbol of Southern Pride. The Confederacy did not represent all of the South - many Southerners opposed it and fought against it. The Confederacy Period also is about 1% of the lifespan to date of the South. To the non-unhinged, it's just a regional symbol. Sadly, it has been spun into a racist symbol by those who wish to control blacks and smack down the conservatives in the South.

The flag, all of the confederate flags, flew in defiance of a country that was becoming increasingly hostile to the cause of slavery.
They flew in support of those who fought to preserve slavery.

I can't think of anything more inherintly racist than the idea of slavery. The idea that white people had the right of natural supremacy and dominion over blacks.

To say it's about some sort of pride without considering those facts is in my opinion juvenile thinking. It represents slavery. Slavery is the ultimate form of racism.

This below comes from a Yankee source:
'White Slavery' in the ante-Bellum South and Civil War Era: A Little Known Phenomenon'
White Slavery in the ante-Bellum South and Civil War Era A Little Known Phenomenon Historical Society of Pennsylvania

The vast majority of whites in the South never owned slaves.

 

[bornright]

Understanding how the meaning of terms, words, and items change so often in this country perhaps a fair way to do things would be to do some trading of giving up of things that mean different things to different people. Many feel that the confederate flag is a symbol of racism. Many also feel that rap music is a slam against women. Maybe it would be a good trade off to make it illegal to display the confederate flag in any public place and as a trade off make it illegal to play rap music in a public place where someone might be offended. If say Al Sharpton says that the confederate flag must come down, what is he willing to trade after all there are many things that offend a lot of people. One side should not have to give up everything and the other side continue with what many feel is offensive.

I personally feel this nation is locked into a middle school level with its political views. I am willing to do some trading. Are you?