Zone1 Dear White Evangelicals

[BS Filter]

You're a fool, like Trump.

You're a smarmy pusillanimous race hustler.

 

[Ralph Norton]

You obviously do, or you wouldn't be here.

I don't give a rat's ass about what he says. I am here commenting on the nonsense that you and others of your ilk are posting. Is that OK with you? This IS an open forum for the exchange of opinions, right?

 

[odanny]

I don't give a rat's ass about what he says. I am here commenting on the nonsense that you and others of your ilk are posting. Is that OK with you? This IS an open forum for the exchange of opinions, right?

You can do whatever you want, why would I care? You said you didn't give a shit, and now you have your knickers in a twist.

Make up your mind. Sounds like you care deeply.

 

[surada]

You could have tried them. We decided they would be held indefinitely with no due process, no nothing.

I agree with you. Was that set up by the Bush administration? So what was the way out?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Bottom line, as another member already noted: the guy is a liberal hack activist. He isn’t discussing religion. He is discussing his hackneyed views about partisan politics under a thin veneer of religion.

This thread is cheap bait.

He is illustrating that evangelicals uphold whiteness more than they uphold Christ -- which is why they are so SILENT on what Jesus actually spoke about and so VOCAL on what the average cross burning Klansmen talked about under the "guise" of Christianity...and much of the underlying rhetoric has not changed....


Please try to refute the truth of this quote:

Those who have been shaped by whiteness - a force that seeks to maintain dominance by demanding assimilation (often incentivized with access), apartheid (through accepting a segregated status quo where resources are disproportionately distributed), or annihilation (by an erasure of cultural differences and ways of being)

I know this part is true because I see it play out in the Republican party quite prominently.....just ask Rafael Cruz or Piyush Jindal or, this lady....

These folks made a calculated decision to erase their cultural-identity and the name their parents gave them because they thought it would hold them back in Republican politics if they didn't

 

[pknopp]

I agree with you. Was that set up by the Bush administration? So what was the way out?

Trials. If deemed guilty and a threat to the country, solitary.

 

[BackAgain]

You're a smarmy pusillanimous race hustler.

Bonus point awarded for use of the word “pusillanimous.”

 

[Ralph Norton]

You can do whatever you want, why would I care? You said you didn't give a shit, and now you have your knickers in a twist.

Make up your mind. Sounds like you care deeply.

Good to see that you're still an idiot odanny.

 

[BackAgain]

He is illustrating that evangelicals uphold whiteness more than they uphold Christ -- which is why they are so SILENT on what Jesus actually spoke about and so VOCAL on what the average cross burning Klansmen talked about under the "guise" of Christianity...and much of the underlying rhetoric has not changed....


Please try to refute the truth of this quote:

Those who have been shaped by whiteness - a force that seeks to maintain dominance by demanding assimilation (often incentivized with access), apartheid (through accepting a segregated status quo where resources are disproportionately distributed), or annihilation (by an erasure of cultural differences and ways of being)

I know this part is true because I see it play out in the Republican party quite prominently.....just ask Rafael Cruz or Piyush Jindal or, this lady....View attachment 669334
These folks made a calculated decision to erase their cultural-identity and the name their parents gave them because they thought it would hold them back in Republican politics if they didn't

No. He is claiming it. He isn’t “showing” anything except his partisanship. Useless bait troll thread gets two thumbs down. Way down.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Trials. If deemed guilty and a threat to the country, solitary.

It's almost like no one cares about these folks -- because we have spent a good part of the past 20 years dehumanizing these folks to the point -- they are all guilty just because the government tells they are......


And as of right now.........when a Democrat is in office and is trying to close Git-Bay; it's the GOP that is trying to stop it from happening.....again....

Defense & National Security — Republicans scoff as Democrats try to close Gitmo

Republicans are scoffing at Democrats’ latest attempt to close the detention facility in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. We’ll dive into that push. Plus, we’ll talk about the veterans who receive…

thehill.com

 

[Votto]

I think y'all are not only miscalculating the effct that evangelicals have on elections...of which they have a right to vote!!!! but you don't make a distinction..and i believe the left does that for convenience sake. Focusing on 'the enemy' and the definition is broad.

The goal was to disengage them altogether, thus ushering in a new Marxist utopia.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

No. He is claiming it. He isn’t “showing” anything except his partisanship. Useless bait troll thread gets two thumbs down. Way down.

He is showing it...

He said when Obama was president -- he was demonized despite being a devoted family man, married to one woman, no stories of affairs, paying porn stars to keep quiet about the affair, didn't have to pay 25 million to people he scammed, none of that -- and not once did I hear an evangelical say "God appointed him"


Yet these same folks practically worship Trump like Jesus for doing nothing more than catering to their hate, not their religious doctrine, not any teachings of Jesus, none of that...because their true religion is hating anything liberal or progressive.....even tho, in Jesus's times, he was considered "liberal" and "progressive"

In fact, if today's conservatives were alive back in his day -- it ain't guaranteed they would have followed Christ at all -- since they clearly show they will follow the guy they perceive to have wealth and power; over the guy urging those to be kind to your neighbor, turn the other cheek, give up your worldly possessions and follow me, etc...

 

[Votto]

This......... times one thousand.



By North Carolina Pastor John Pavlovitz

Dear White Evangelicals,

I need to tell you something: People have had it with you. They’re done. They want nothing to do with you any longer, and here’s why: They see your hypocrisy, your inconsistency, your incredibly selective mercy, and your thinly veiled supremacy.

For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a Black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity. They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence.

They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him. And through it all, White Evangelicals—you never once suggested that God placed him where he was, you never publicly offered prayers for him and his family, you never welcomed him to your Christian Universities, you never gave him the benefit of the doubt in any instance, you never spoke of offering him forgiveness or mercy, your evangelists never publicly thanked God for his leadership, your pastors never took to the pulpit to offer solidarity with him, you never made any effort to affirm his humanity or show the love of Jesus to him in any quantifiable measure.

You violently opposed him at every single turn—without offering a single ounce of the grace you claim as the heart of your faith tradition. You jettisoned Jesus as you dispensed damnation on him.

And yet you give carte blanche to a white Republican man so riddled with depravity, so littered with extramarital affairs, so unapologetically vile, with such a vast resume of moral filth—that the mind boggles.

And the change in you is unmistakable. It has been an astonishing conversion to behold: as being born again.

With him, you suddenly find religion. With him, you’re now willing to offer full absolution. With him, all is forgiven without repentance or admission. With him, you’re suddenly able to see some invisible, deeply buried heart. With him, sin has become unimportant, and compassion no longer a requirement. With him, you see only Providence.

And White Evangelicals, all those people who have had it with you—they see it all clearly. They recognize the toxic source of your inconsistency.
They see that pigmentation and party are your sole deities. They see that you aren’t interested in perpetuating the love of God or emulating the heart of Jesus. They see that you aren’t burdened to love the least, or to be agents of compassion, or to care for your Muslim, gay, African, female, or poor neighbors as yourself.

They see that all you’re really interested in doing is making a God in your own ivory image and demanding that the world bow down to it. They recognize this all about white, Republican Jesus—not dark-skinned Jesus of Nazareth.

And I know you don’t realize it, but you’re digging your own grave these days; the grave of your very faith tradition.
Your willingness to align yourself with cruelty is a costly marriage. Yes, you’ve gained a Supreme Court seat, a few months with the Presidency as a mouthpiece, and the cheap high of temporary power—but you’ve lost a whole lot more.

You’ve lost an audience with millions of wise, decent, good-hearted, faithful people with eyes to see this ugliness. You’ve lost any moral high ground or spiritual authority with a generation. You’ve lost any semblance of Christlikeness. You’ve lost the plot. And most of all you’ve lost your soul.

I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you. But I had to at least try to reach you. It’s what Jesus would do.

You don't care about God.

You don't care about the country. If you did, the America first slogan would not offend you so much and you would actively trying to save the country that is floundering.

All you care about is the democrat party.

Problem is, no one else does outside the party cultists like yourself.

 

[BS Filter]

He is showing it...

He said when Obama was president -- he was demonized despite being a devoted family man, married to one woman, no stories of affairs, paying porn stars to keep quiet about the affair, didn't have to pay 25 million to people he scammed, none of that -- and not once did I hear an evangelical say "God appointed him"


Yet these same folks practically worship Trump like Jesus for doing nothing more than catering to their hate, not their religious doctrine, not any teachings of Jesus, none of that...because their true religion is hating anything liberal or progressive.....even tho, in Jesus's times, he was considered "liberal" and "progressive"

In fact, if today's conservatives were alive back in his day -- it ain't guaranteed they would have followed Christ at all -- since they clearly show they will follow the guy they perceive to have wealth and power; over the guy urging those to be kind to your neighbor, turn the other cheek, give up your worldly possessions and follow me, etc...

Conservative Christians aren't as violent as blm and antifa. You guys cheered them on. Regarding President Trump. We support a President, period. He isn't our Pastor. He did a hell of a lot better job than your guy is now.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This......... times one thousand.



By North Carolina Pastor John Pavlovitz

Dear White Evangelicals,

I need to tell you something: People have had it with you. They’re done. They want nothing to do with you any longer, and here’s why: They see your hypocrisy, your inconsistency, your incredibly selective mercy, and your thinly veiled supremacy.

For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a Black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity. They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence.

They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him. And through it all, White Evangelicals—you never once suggested that God placed him where he was, you never publicly offered prayers for him and his family, you never welcomed him to your Christian Universities, you never gave him the benefit of the doubt in any instance, you never spoke of offering him forgiveness or mercy, your evangelists never publicly thanked God for his leadership, your pastors never took to the pulpit to offer solidarity with him, you never made any effort to affirm his humanity or show the love of Jesus to him in any quantifiable measure.

You violently opposed him at every single turn—without offering a single ounce of the grace you claim as the heart of your faith tradition. You jettisoned Jesus as you dispensed damnation on him.

And yet you give carte blanche to a white Republican man so riddled with depravity, so littered with extramarital affairs, so unapologetically vile, with such a vast resume of moral filth—that the mind boggles.

And the change in you is unmistakable. It has been an astonishing conversion to behold: as being born again.

With him, you suddenly find religion. With him, you’re now willing to offer full absolution. With him, all is forgiven without repentance or admission. With him, you’re suddenly able to see some invisible, deeply buried heart. With him, sin has become unimportant, and compassion no longer a requirement. With him, you see only Providence.

And White Evangelicals, all those people who have had it with you—they see it all clearly. They recognize the toxic source of your inconsistency.
They see that pigmentation and party are your sole deities. They see that you aren’t interested in perpetuating the love of God or emulating the heart of Jesus. They see that you aren’t burdened to love the least, or to be agents of compassion, or to care for your Muslim, gay, African, female, or poor neighbors as yourself.

They see that all you’re really interested in doing is making a God in your own ivory image and demanding that the world bow down to it. They recognize this all about white, Republican Jesus—not dark-skinned Jesus of Nazareth.

And I know you don’t realize it, but you’re digging your own grave these days; the grave of your very faith tradition.
Your willingness to align yourself with cruelty is a costly marriage. Yes, you’ve gained a Supreme Court seat, a few months with the Presidency as a mouthpiece, and the cheap high of temporary power—but you’ve lost a whole lot more.

You’ve lost an audience with millions of wise, decent, good-hearted, faithful people with eyes to see this ugliness. You’ve lost any moral high ground or spiritual authority with a generation. You’ve lost any semblance of Christlikeness. You’ve lost the plot. And most of all you’ve lost your soul.

I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you. But I had to at least try to reach you. It’s what Jesus would do.

True.

But the Christo-fascist right doesn't care, and they won't change, there's no reason to.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

You don't care about God.

You don't care about the country. If you did, the America first slogan would not offend you so much and you would actively trying to save the country that is floundering.

All you care about is the democrat party.

Problem is, no one else does outside the party cultists like yourself.

America First slogan has ZERO to do with God....


Why do you right-wingers try to equate America with God and then clutch your pearls when we call you morons Christo-fascists??

 

[BackAgain]

He is showing it...

He said when Obama was president -- he was demonized despite being a devoted family man, married to one woman, no stories of affairs, paying porn stars to keep quiet about the affair, didn't have to pay 25 million to people he scammed, none of that -- and not once did I hear an evangelical say "God appointed him"


Yet these same folks practically worship Trump like Jesus for doing nothing more than catering to their hate, not their religious doctrine, not any teachings of Jesus, none of that...because their true religion is hating anything liberal or progressive.....even tho, in Jesus's times, he was considered "liberal" and "progressive"

In fact, if today's conservatives were alive back in his day -- it ain't guaranteed they would have followed Christ at all -- since they clearly show they will follow the guy they perceive to have wealth and power; over the guy urging those to be kind to your neighbor, turn the other cheek, give up your worldly possessions and follow me, etc...

No. He is just claiming it. You really need to learn to distinguish these concepts.

 

[BackAgain]

America First slogan has ZERO to do with God....


Why do you right-wingers try to equate America with God and then clutch your pearls when we call you morons Christo-fascists??

Blip_Pointlesster:

Lose the use of that fraudulent term “Christo-fascist” in so many or your gibberish posts, and you might start to be taken seriously. Might. Start.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

No. He is just claiming it. You really need to learn to distinguish these concepts.

You really need to learn why you haven't refuted a single thing I said yet


Is Trump Godly? Or does he just hate the same people you hate and you pretend somehow that makes him Godly?

Trump Secretly Mocks His Christian Supporters

Former aides say that in private, the president has spoken with cynicism and contempt about believers.

www.theatlantic.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/02/14/trump-mocks-faith-others-his-own-religious-practices-remain-opaque/

Nah, aside from the cruelty to the outgroups and causes evangelicals have always hated "gays" "women's liberation", etc -- the other main reason Trumpers worship Trump is because they are deep into the end times prophecy..and it was their hope that Trump would help further that prophecy along so Christ can return....it won't end well for the Jews who don't repent tho -- since they sorta gotta get destroyed first, but hey....Jesus loves America more than Israel at the end of the day....

Donald Trump: The End-Times President

How fundamentalist Christians who believe in the apocalyptic myth of "the rapture" could be shaping Trump's agenda — and American life.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Blip_Pointlesster:

Lose the use of that fraudulent term “Christo-fascist” in so many or your gibberish posts, and you might start to be taken seriously. Might. Start.

if the shoe fits, wear it bitch...