Do liberals even like this country?

[francoHFW]

Congrats- lol. What about the rest of the country?

Don't worry liberals in Seattle have a plan

Worked great 1945-82. Since not so much. We have basically a flat tax if you count all taxes, with the top 1% getting all the new wealth.Great job. see sig.

the top 1% stole my free shit.

And raised your taxes and fees, cut cheap college and training and your pay...jeebus what a dupe. "Free shit" is for the temporarily unfortunate. Mainly when your greedy rich heroes wreck the world economy AGAIN and start stupid wars....ay caramba.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Just ignorant and brainwashed...

I'm voting Republican for the next 30 years too.

Congrats on your ignorance. lol. Luckily the young Murdochs and the age of Rush and the Kochs make me optimistic- plus your idiocy becomes obvious with Trump...

 

[francoHFW]

Don't worry liberals in Seattle have a plan

Worked great 1945-82. Since not so much. We have basically a flat tax if you count all taxes, with the top 1% getting all the new wealth.Great job. see sig.

the top 1% stole my free shit.

And raised your taxes and fees, cut cheap college and training and your pay...jeebus what a dupe. "Free shit" is for the temporarily unfortunate. Mainly when your greedy rich heroes wreck the world economy AGAIN and start stupid wars....ay caramba.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Just ignorant and brainwashed...

I'm voting Republican for the next 30 years too.

Hopefully the repub party doesn't last that long

It will progress. Hard to believe after the last 30 years...lol

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Liberals, like,Conservatives,love America. We just disagree about the manner or need of improvements.

Except their view of improvements is to be like other socialist countries, and they use those examples continuously to make their point. That's what the OP is all about.

Every country has problems I don't care which ones you site. We have problems too, but the solution is not to adopt other countries ways of doing things and their problems that come along with it.

Do you really think that other countries don't have problems with their socialist health care?
Do you think other countries that have gun bans didn't suffer increased crime and gun violence?
Do you think that other countries mass transit system don't bring problems to people?

The people of the United States will figure out their own problems as we always have. We don't need to take tips from anybody, and we certainly don't need to replicate any other country either. What works for us may not work for most of the world. What works in Europe may not work for the rest of the world including the US.

 

[sealybobo]

During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

Right now I love this country as much as you did when Reed pelosi and Obama were running it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Don't worry liberals in Seattle have a plan

Worked great 1945-82. Since not so much. We have basically a flat tax if you count all taxes, with the top 1% getting all the new wealth.Great job. see sig.

the top 1% stole my free shit.

And raised your taxes and fees, cut cheap college and training and your pay...jeebus what a dupe. "Free shit" is for the temporarily unfortunate. Mainly when your greedy rich heroes wreck the world economy AGAIN and start stupid wars....ay caramba.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Just ignorant and brainwashed...

I'm voting Republican for the next 30 years too.

Hopefully the repub party doesn't last that long

And that hope of yours has been the same the last 30 years or so, yet Republicans gain power all the time. Better worry about your party lasting that long.

 

[eddiew37]

Worked great 1945-82. Since not so much. We have basically a flat tax if you count all taxes, with the top 1% getting all the new wealth.Great job. see sig.

the top 1% stole my free shit.

And raised your taxes and fees, cut cheap college and training and your pay...jeebus what a dupe. "Free shit" is for the temporarily unfortunate. Mainly when your greedy rich heroes wreck the world economy AGAIN and start stupid wars....ay caramba.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Just ignorant and brainwashed...

I'm voting Republican for the next 30 years too.

Hopefully the repub party doesn't last that long

And that hope of yours has been the same the last 30 years or so, yet Republicans gain power all the time. Better worry about your party lasting that long.

Worry about the ah in our WH
Trump accuses Jon Huntsman of giving the US away to China.
So guess who nominates Huntsman for ambassador of Russia?

Donald Trump

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Maybe take your own advice about civics. WTF does that have to do with creating a level playing field?

OK, maybe my friend Thomas Jefferson can explain it better

Hey, Tom.....gotta minute? Can you explain a level playing field to Ray here?

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal

You just love swinging and missing, don't you? He said all men are created equal--not that government should make all men equal.

Nobody says that but misinformed dupes. It's equal opportunity and under the law...

Such a shame. A welfare person that comes here claiming to be a retired teacher that doesn't understand the English language.

LOL- Gotta hate, don't you? I just hate typing. My grammar training at the Hotchkiss School in the late 60's is famous. So is your silly brainwashed "philosophy"...

If you graduated form the Hotchkiss school, why do you come here and mirror a ninth grade drop out??

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

the top 1% stole my free shit.

And raised your taxes and fees, cut cheap college and training and your pay...jeebus what a dupe. "Free shit" is for the temporarily unfortunate. Mainly when your greedy rich heroes wreck the world economy AGAIN and start stupid wars....ay caramba.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Just ignorant and brainwashed...

I'm voting Republican for the next 30 years too.

Hopefully the repub party doesn't last that long

And that hope of yours has been the same the last 30 years or so, yet Republicans gain power all the time. Better worry about your party lasting that long.

Worry about the ah in our WH
Trump accuses Jon Huntsman of giving the US away to China.
So guess who nominates Huntsman for ambassador of Russia?

Donald Trump

This non-stop Russia thing is going to continue to kill your party just like the racist, sexist, homophobe deplorables did.

 

[francoHFW]

Liberals, like,Conservatives,love America. We just disagree about the manner or need of improvements.

Except their view of improvements is to be like other socialist countries, and they use those examples continuously to make their point. That's what the OP is all about.

Every country has problems I don't care which ones you site. We have problems too, but the solution is not to adopt other countries ways of doing things and their problems that come along with it.

Do you really think that other countries don't have problems with their socialist health care?
Do you think other countries that have gun bans didn't suffer increased crime and gun violence?
Do you think that other countries mass transit system don't bring problems to people?

The people of the United States will figure out their own problems as we always have. We don't need to take tips from anybody, and we certainly don't need to replicate any other country either. What works for us may not work for most of the world. What works in Europe may not work for the rest of the world including the US.

^^ Obsessed about other countries lol. We're just talking about fairness and justice- we're the worst modern country at this point...and much worse than we were 35 years ago...ay caramba.

 

[Nosmo King]

Liberals, like,Conservatives,love America. We just disagree about the manner or need of improvements.

Except their view of improvements is to be like other socialist countries, and they use those examples continuously to make their point. That's what the OP is all about.

Every country has problems I don't care which ones you site. We have problems too, but the solution is not to adopt other countries ways of doing things and their problems that come along with it.

Do you really think that other countries don't have problems with their socialist health care?
Do you think other countries that have gun bans didn't suffer increased crime and gun violence?
Do you think that other countries mass transit system don't bring problems to people?

The people of the United States will figure out their own problems as we always have. We don't need to take tips from anybody, and we certainly don't need to replicate any other country either. What works for us may not work for most of the world. What works in Europe may not work for the rest of the world including the US.

Kind of a myopic way of solving problems, Ray. You think we should reinvent the wheel because something another country tries is Socialism? We have Socialism here! This nation does not, nor has it ever engaged in pure, laissez faire Capitalism. There have always been restriction on, and favors granted to business.

If,all the other industrialized nations enjoy single payer health care, the threat of Socialism would suggest that those nations also have failing economies. Well, that sure isn't the case.

Guns? America is unique in that we have a deep and entrenched culture of guns. That and the Conservatives unyielding read of the second amendment prevents us from really dealing with the epidemic of havoc so many guns produce.

And why is mass transit such a terrible thing to be feared? If I could hop a bullet train in Pittsburgh, arrive in Cleveland an hour later, watch the Steelers beat up on the Browns and still have time for Sunday dinner at home, I'd do it every year.

Are you not confident enough in the resiliency of America so you fear any other alternative?

 

[francoHFW]

OK, maybe my friend Thomas Jefferson can explain it better

Hey, Tom.....gotta minute? Can you explain a level playing field to Ray here?

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal

You just love swinging and missing, don't you? He said all men are created equal--not that government should make all men equal.

Nobody says that but misinformed dupes. It's equal opportunity and under the law...

Such a shame. A welfare person that comes here claiming to be a retired teacher that doesn't understand the English language.

LOL- Gotta hate, don't you? I just hate typing. My grammar training at the Hotchkiss School in the late 60's is famous. So is your silly brainwashed "philosophy"...

If you graduated form the Hotchkiss school, why do you come here and mirror a ninth grade drop out??

Because I HATED it? lol

 

[francoHFW]

And raised your taxes and fees, cut cheap college and training and your pay...jeebus what a dupe. "Free shit" is for the temporarily unfortunate. Mainly when your greedy rich heroes wreck the world economy AGAIN and start stupid wars....ay caramba.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Just ignorant and brainwashed...

I'm voting Republican for the next 30 years too.

Hopefully the repub party doesn't last that long

And that hope of yours has been the same the last 30 years or so, yet Republicans gain power all the time. Better worry about your party lasting that long.

Worry about the ah in our WH
Trump accuses Jon Huntsman of giving the US away to China.
So guess who nominates Huntsman for ambassador of Russia?

Donald Trump

This non-stop Russia thing is going to continue to kill your party just like the racist, sexist, homophobe deplorables did.

And mainly the Russians and Comey...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Kind of a myopic way of solving problems, Ray. You think we should reinvent the wheel because something another country tries is Socialism? We have Socialism here! This nation does not, nor has it ever engaged in pure, laissez faire Capitalism. There have always been restriction on, and favors granted to business.

Yes we do have socialism here, and where has it gotten us besides 20 trillion in debt and growing? At this point, let me quote James Madison:

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now where would our country be financially if we just adhered to the words of Madison? After all, what is most of our budget? it's benevolence.

If,all the other industrialized nations enjoy single payer health care, the threat of Socialism would suggest that those nations also have failing economies. Well, that sure isn't the case.

It's more than just economy. It's getting the most advanced healthcare that we have here. It's getting timely healthcare. It's getting choice in healthcare. Some countries use cancer drugs we quit using 20 years ago because of there ineffectiveness.

I'm a truck driver and living up north, I talk to Canadian truck drivers all the time. The younger and middle-aged drivers love their system in Canada. The older ones have told me to keep what we have, or we will be sorry when we get older.

Every system has it's faults. You can't pretend that there is any system out there that doesn't have it's faults.

Guns? America is unique in that we have a deep and entrenched culture of guns. That and the Conservatives unyielding read of the second amendment prevents us from really dealing with the epidemic of havoc so many guns produce.

And yet our violent crime and gun crime has been on the decrease since the early 90's. But to a liberal, if it's not broke, fix it anyway.

And why is mass transit such a terrible thing to be feared? If I could hop a bullet train in Pittsburgh, arrive in Cleveland an hour later, watch the Steelers beat up on the Browns and still have time for Sunday dinner at home, I'd do it every year.

Are you not confident enough in the resiliency of America so you fear any other alternative?

I have no problem with that provided this mass transit system was not supported by tax dollars, but most all of them are. That's because it's a bad investment. There are not enough people like you to support mass transit so they rely on taxpayer dollars to support it because most people don't want it.

 

[francoHFW]

I'm voting Republican for the next 30 years too.

Hopefully the repub party doesn't last that long

And that hope of yours has been the same the last 30 years or so, yet Republicans gain power all the time. Better worry about your party lasting that long.

Worry about the ah in our WH
Trump accuses Jon Huntsman of giving the US away to China.
So guess who nominates Huntsman for ambassador of Russia?

Donald Trump

This non-stop Russia thing is going to continue to kill your party just like the racist, sexist, homophobe deplorables did.

And mainly the Russians and Comey...

of course you don't get that news, dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

Kind of a myopic way of solving problems, Ray. You think we should reinvent the wheel because something another country tries is Socialism? We have Socialism here! This nation does not, nor has it ever engaged in pure, laissez faire Capitalism. There have always been restriction on, and favors granted to business.

Yes we do have socialism here, and where has it gotten us besides 20 trillion in debt and growing? At this point, let me quote James Madison:

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now where would our country be financially if we just adhered to the words of Madison? After all, what is most of our budget? it's benevolence.

If,all the other industrialized nations enjoy single payer health care, the threat of Socialism would suggest that those nations also have failing economies. Well, that sure isn't the case.

It's more than just economy. It's getting the most advanced healthcare that we have here. It's getting timely healthcare. It's getting choice in healthcare. Some countries use cancer drugs we quit using 20 years ago because of there ineffectiveness.

I'm a truck driver and living up north, I talk to Canadian truck drivers all the time. The younger and middle-aged drivers love their system in Canada. The older ones have told me to keep what we have, or we will be sorry when we get older.

Every system has it's faults. You can't pretend that there is any system out there that doesn't have it's faults.

Guns? America is unique in that we have a deep and entrenched culture of guns. That and the Conservatives unyielding read of the second amendment prevents us from really dealing with the epidemic of havoc so many guns produce.

And yet our violent crime and gun crime has been on the decrease since the early 90's. But to a liberal, if it's not broke, fix it anyway.

And why is mass transit such a terrible thing to be feared? If I could hop a bullet train in Pittsburgh, arrive in Cleveland an hour later, watch the Steelers beat up on the Browns and still have time for Sunday dinner at home, I'd do it every year.

Are you not confident enough in the resiliency of America so you fear any other alternative?

I have no problem with that provided this mass transit system was not supported by tax dollars, but most all of them are. That's because it's a bad investment. There are not enough people like you to support mass transit so they rely on taxpayer dollars to support it because most people don't want it.

Always the stupid personal insult- guess what, we think about others.....no, dupe is not personal. It's political.

 

[francoHFW]

Kind of a myopic way of solving problems, Ray. You think we should reinvent the wheel because something another country tries is Socialism? We have Socialism here! This nation does not, nor has it ever engaged in pure, laissez faire Capitalism. There have always been restriction on, and favors granted to business.

Yes we do have socialism here, and where has it gotten us besides 20 trillion in debt and growing? At this point, let me quote James Madison:

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now where would our country be financially if we just adhered to the words of Madison? After all, what is most of our budget? it's benevolence.

If,all the other industrialized nations enjoy single payer health care, the threat of Socialism would suggest that those nations also have failing economies. Well, that sure isn't the case.

It's more than just economy. It's getting the most advanced healthcare that we have here. It's getting timely healthcare. It's getting choice in healthcare. Some countries use cancer drugs we quit using 20 years ago because of there ineffectiveness.

I'm a truck driver and living up north, I talk to Canadian truck drivers all the time. The younger and middle-aged drivers love their system in Canada. The older ones have told me to keep what we have, or we will be sorry when we get older.

Every system has it's faults. You can't pretend that there is any system out there that doesn't have it's faults.

Guns? America is unique in that we have a deep and entrenched culture of guns. That and the Conservatives unyielding read of the second amendment prevents us from really dealing with the epidemic of havoc so many guns produce.

And yet our violent crime and gun crime has been on the decrease since the early 90's. But to a liberal, if it's not broke, fix it anyway.

And why is mass transit such a terrible thing to be feared? If I could hop a bullet train in Pittsburgh, arrive in Cleveland an hour later, watch the Steelers beat up on the Browns and still have time for Sunday dinner at home, I'd do it every year.

Are you not confident enough in the resiliency of America so you fear any other alternative?

I have no problem with that provided this mass transit system was not supported by tax dollars, but most all of them are. That's because it's a bad investment. There are not enough people like you to support mass transit so they rely on taxpayer dollars to support it because most people don't want it.

20 trillion is socialism's fault? RW idiocy. Reagan and W tripled the debt, Obama's is ALL averting ANOTHER gd GOP DEPRESSION.

 

[Nosmo King]

Kind of a myopic way of solving problems, Ray. You think we should reinvent the wheel because something another country tries is Socialism? We have Socialism here! This nation does not, nor has it ever engaged in pure, laissez faire Capitalism. There have always been restriction on, and favors granted to business.

Yes we do have socialism here, and where has it gotten us besides 20 trillion in debt and growing? At this point, let me quote James Madison:

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Now where would our country be financially if we just adhered to the words of Madison? After all, what is most of our budget? it's benevolence.

If,all the other industrialized nations enjoy single payer health care, the threat of Socialism would suggest that those nations also have failing economies. Well, that sure isn't the case.

It's more than just economy. It's getting the most advanced healthcare that we have here. It's getting timely healthcare. It's getting choice in healthcare. Some countries use cancer drugs we quit using 20 years ago because of there ineffectiveness.

I'm a truck driver and living up north, I talk to Canadian truck drivers all the time. The younger and middle-aged drivers love their system in Canada. The older ones have told me to keep what we have, or we will be sorry when we get older.

Every system has it's faults. You can't pretend that there is any system out there that doesn't have it's faults.

Guns? America is unique in that we have a deep and entrenched culture of guns. That and the Conservatives unyielding read of the second amendment prevents us from really dealing with the epidemic of havoc so many guns produce.

And yet our violent crime and gun crime has been on the decrease since the early 90's. But to a liberal, if it's not broke, fix it anyway.

And why is mass transit such a terrible thing to be feared? If I could hop a bullet train in Pittsburgh, arrive in Cleveland an hour later, watch the Steelers beat up on the Browns and still have time for Sunday dinner at home, I'd do it every year.

Are you not confident enough in the resiliency of America so you fear any other alternative?

I have no problem with that provided this mass transit system was not supported by tax dollars, but most all of them are. That's because it's a bad investment. There are not enough people like you to support mass transit so they rely on taxpayer dollars to support it because most people don't want it.

We crossed the continent with railroads not because of risk taking entrepreneurship but because of huge government subsidies and land grants. We electrified the rural south not because private business thought it was a good idea, but because the government provided the wherewithal to do so. The Chicago transit system, the Boston transit system, the NYC transit system are all due to government action. Tell that to James Madison who could not conceive of electricity, railroads or Chicago.

List the pros and cons of universal payer and you'd be amazed. It's high time we too adopted it for the good of our nation.

Get the guns off the streets and stop romanticize going them. Folks who suffer drive by shootings aren't thinking guns are a panacea.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No one wants to turn us into another country, just a fairer one, dupe. The greedy idiot megarich New BS GOP has been waging class warfare for the rich for 35 years, and winning, wrecking the middle class and the country...All they have is BS?propaganda.

Yes they do want to turn us into another country. That was the point of the OP. They constantly keep telling us on the right how great other countries have it and we should do the same as them.

I guess that's a bad argument. Especially with furriner hating ugly Americans... So, only we and New Guinea don't have paid parental leave. Any ideas?

Yes, move to one of those countries that do. Problem solved for both of us. You get your social programs and we get rid of liberals.

Which again is the same old argument. "If you don't like things as they are, fuck off", which is essentially, I don't want this country changed, and my argument is so weak all I have is "go somewhere else".

That says nothing about liberals, it only says something about your argument.

Yes, and that argument is I don't want to live the liberal way. There are plenty of places already like that.

Which is fine, Ray. You can live however you like. However you live in a SOCIETY. Society has rules, society rules so people can co-exist together, even if they don't like each other.

What you basically said was that other people don't love the country if they don't like it the way YOU like it. Which, I think we've got to the point where we can see this is nonsense, right?

The US has two parts, one is about whether the majority think something (which isn't really the majority at all as the system is so skewed) and the other is when a lot more than the majority think something, in order to change the Constitution.

Now, you can either agree that this is the way to go, or you can disagree that this is the way to go. if you disagree you have a vote and you can vote. You could also try to take down the govt, if you choose. The option is there.

If a Socialist wants the US to be Socialist, then they're going to have to fight very hard, one way or another, in order to implement their view of the world. This doesn't mean they don't love their country, it means they don't love YOUR VIEW of how the country should be.

But there are two types of people, those who want to get away from Democracy, and those who want Democracy, those who want to implement their idea no matter what the cost, and those who want to do it within society.

Now, you seem to be implying that anyone who is against you is the former, which I don't think is the case.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sure it is. The problem is, are you saying if the govt makes one law that is different, is this "another country" or not. At what point does the US become "another country"?

It's been becoming another country for some time now. We don't want to reach the finish line.

You lot don't shout others down? Come off it Ray. Do you know how many people I have on my ignore list because they can't get through an discussion without insults, attacks etc. People on BOTH SIDES shout people down.

Not to the point they can no longer speak. Only the Democrats do that.

Your aim at trying to prove that Republicans don't shout people down, by asking how many times Democrats have done, doesn't do anything Ray.

Except prove my point.

Maybe it has been changing. But it has been changing since 1776. Change happens Ray, you can't stop it.

Change happened in 1776, then again in 1789, were these for good or bad? Depends who you talk to.

Change happened when slavery ended, when segregation ended, when industry grew, when cars came, when planes came, when telephones came, when TVs came, change is all around you. You might not like smart phones, you might not like all these modern things, but you can't stop this change.

Now, when it comes to politics, are you the sort that would demand things stay the same by being a dictator, or do you accept change is inevitable and that society should be the ones who decide how this change changes?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Exactly, you make a question where you say everyone on the left gets fucked over and nobody on the right gets fucked over by rich people. Well, that's just wrong, isn't it?

How so? You never hear us saying that, do you? So apparently we are not getting fucked by anybody except the government; that's who we complain about fucking us. You on the left keep telling us the rich fucks you, but can't explain how.

Haha, you say Republicans don't give to the rich, just allow them to keep what they already have. Oh, Ray, you seriously can't be that naive, can you?

Outside of campaign donations (which happens on both sides) what have the Republicans given the rich? Another question you won't be able to answer.

The money they have has been gained in immoral circumstances. If I run a company and I don't pay tax, I can sell my product for less than my competitor, which means more people buy my product, which means my competitor goes out of business, then I have lots of money and he has none. Did I make this money all on my own? Fuck no I did not.

Tax breaks for certain industries apply to all industries that make similar products. After this healthcare thing, Trump will address taxes and lets see what he comes up with. Democrats have never done that except to raise them.

Ray, the extent of my political conversations with right wing people isn't that wide. Just because I don't hear directly from someone, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. But then again, it's besides the point. So, the party of the rich doesn't complain about the rich..... but then some of those who do vote for the Republicans will complain about what happens.

What have the Republicans given the rich? Seriously?

Let's see, because I CAN answer this question.

The only issue here is that what you see as "giving" is different to what I see.

But, I'll try under your view of giving.

First - giving an unfair advantage.

Like I've said before. If you give an unfair advantage to one company over another, it's essentially corruption, favoritism, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. There are many ways of expressing this sort of thing.

Tax incentives get Amazon to build fulfillment center in Katy

"
Tax incentives get Amazon to build fulfillment center in Katy"

This is in Waller County, Texas. Represented in the Texas Senate by a Republican, represented in the Texas House by a Republican. Represented in Federal govt by three Republicans.

I'd say this place is Republican.

"As part of the deal, the county will refund at least 50 percent of the taxes Amazon pays on the facility if the combined value of its property and inventory exceeds $100 million. The agreement requires the company to employ at least 800 people there and hold an annual job fair."

So, Amazon gets to pay half the amount of taxes than other companies. How many people in the area will be able to compete with Amazon? How many businessmen and women will see their business fold because they cannot compete.

You might say this is Amazon's money. I say it's not. I say there money is there for the taking, but Amazon will take it because they have managed to bribe the county into giving them a deal that makes them uber competitive.

""There's no other deal that compares to this," County Judge Trey Duhon said. "This is Amazon, and when you have a Fortune 100 company, it's a whole different ball game.""

Essentially this guy is saying that unless you're a top 100 company, you aren't going to get this kind of deal.

And while Waller County might be sitting there looking good, because it's got jobs, how many jobs are going to be lost elsewhere? Lots. Lots of businesses in Texas and all over the US are going to be lost. Republicans are going to lose their businesses (from a previous thread, right, about Republicans getting screwed over by the rich) as well as Democrats, a monopoly is going to be closer and closer as each competitor dies off and Amazon takes another slice of the pie, adding more jobs their their stack, making their power even great, their money to bribe officials to give them a sweet deal.

This is what the Republicans are giving Amazon, a part share in a monopoly, an unfair advantage, a larger share of the market.

Now, Democrats do this too.

Amazon's Tax Breaks

"The Boston Globe has a report on how the internet retailer Amazon has negotiated state and local tax breaks for two warehouses in Massachusetts. Last year, Amazon got $600,000 in state tax credits and $2.89 million in local tax breaks for a facility in Stoughton, Mass. The second facility, in Fall River and Freetown, Mass., will benefit from $11.6 million in real estate and personal property tax breaks, along with a still undisclosed state tax credit."

Now, Norfolk County, MA is mostly Democrat. 35% to 11% officially registered. They haven't voted Republican in a Presidential election since 1984.

So, can we say that Democrats also hand out the cash in this way? Yes, we can. However the system whereby local counties, states etc pay companies to relocate is something very American, it doesn't happen within the EU, there are laws to stop it and I think Google had to pay money because Ireland tried to give them an unfair advantage deal.

Who keeps this sort of system in place? Well, probably the republicans, but maybe Democrats too. But those who do it, are almost certain in the pay of such companies. The companies are controlling this sort of thing.