Federalization of the States

[Rotagilla]

Let's see. Just make sure that you have your paperwork at the border.

I'll be fine. You will definitely need yours if you want to come visit, though.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The whole thing is pointless. You would not have those defense contracts when it was done and over with. For as much trash that is talked by the state governments in regard to the federal government, Texas, and the people living there, are in fact highly dependent on the federal government.

True.


The notion of Texas, or any other state, for that matter, 'leaving' the Union is idiocy, as well as un-Constitutional.

 

[Rotagilla]

True.


The notion of Texas, or any other state, for that matter, 'leaving' the Union is idiocy, as well as un-Constitutional.

texas wouldn't by itself...but a group of states could and they'd be just fine without washington.

Either way, this country will collapse, be partitioned into smaller independent countries and life will eventually go on.

 

[Disir]

I'll be fine. You will definitely need yours if you want to come visit, though.

Hmmmmmmm.........you're under forty.

 

[Rotagilla]

Hmmmmmmm.........you're under forty.

No my dear...you aren't even close. You're under 30, though.

 

[Disir]

No my dear...you aren't even close. You're under 30, though.

Bring me an argument and maybe we can hash it out. Till then.................
I'll start stocking up on the popcorn,

 

[Missourian]

I'm willing to give it a try.

Louisiana and Texas could survive on their own without the fed gvt...if another 10 states or so joined, all the better.

Where Texas and Louisiana go, Arkansas, Oklahoma and Missouri follow.

 

[Rotagilla]

Where Texas and Louisiana go, Arkansas, Oklahoma and Missouri follow.

Welcome! We'd be glad to have you.

 

[EverCurious]

Why would Alaska go back to Russia or join Canada? I believe we would attempt to be sovereign.

 

[Rotagilla]

Why would Alaska go back to Russia or join Canada? I believe we would attempt to be sovereign.

Good for you. We wish you all the luck in the world.

 

[Youch]

Your condescending tone and arrogant attitude don't make you look smarter.

Collapse, partitioning and reconstruction are what is in the future for this country.

It's a perfectly natural and normal event in human endeavors.
All governments collapse, usually there is bloodshed and ethnic cleansing due to old grievances, then partitioning to keep the two apart...then reconstruction of the various partitioned sections....just like the balkans

like I said...
Your condescending tone and arrogant attitude don't make you look smarter.

I agree. My tone was misplaced, and I apologize for that. I'm getting too old to work 18 hour days/nights and still be cogent! But I stand by what I said, tho....said another way, multi-culturalism is the death knell of our nation. It has never worked. Just like liberalism.

 

[Rotagilla]

I agree. My tone was misplaced, and I apologize for that. I'm getting too old to work 18 hour days/nights and still be cogent! But I stand by what I said, tho....said another way, multi-culturalism is the death knell of our nation. It has never worked. Just like liberalism.

All good, bro. No harm done.

 

[CitizenSeven]

Every military base, every defense contractor, every dollar for education and medical.............gone............like that.

Make sure you have your paperwork in order at the border!

Of course, by the USFG, but no doubt the Republic of Texas would, as a sovereign nation, replace some or all of them. It is still a net win of 50 billion a year for Texas.

It seems you're having difficulty with the concept of net. Of course Texas as a whole would lose USFG funding, though not necessarily USFG contracts to produce weapons, or certainly not necessarily all of them. However, this would more than be made up by the elimination of USFG taxes. The difference, as I've pointed out, is 50 billion a year. Even if Texas decides to replace every single USFG program currently in place with one of their own, the state would still be 50 billion a year richer. It's unlikely that Texas would repeat all of the mistakes of the USFG, so that's even more savings.

So, larger population than many successful countries, GDP that would put it in the top 30 in the world, natural resources, and access to the oceans. Texas would make a great country. Not a superpower like the US or China, of course, but who wants that sort of expense and headache anyway?

 

[CitizenSeven]

True.


The notion of Texas, or any other state, for that matter, 'leaving' the Union is idiocy, as well as un-Constitutional.

Can you point out in the constitution where it says that states can't leave the Union? I know the USFG can militarily prevent it from happening, and has in the past, but not on the basis of anything explicitly in the constitution rather by fiat.

Of course, today, that would be more difficult if the seceding state gained control/built nukes. I'm not sure how much federal enthusiasm there would be to bring a seceding state under occupation if major cities of the USFG were put at dire risk. So, worse case, you have a cold war, though I doubt that would last long as there would be great pressure to establish normalized trade and travel. Basically, think of it as another Canada, though the political makeup would be wildly different.

 

[CitizenSeven]

Welcome! We'd be glad to have you.

Adding those additional states would make the resulting "Greater Texas" political entity the eighth largest economy in the world (2009 numbers, just like the state GDP ones), just behind Italy and the UK. Larger than India, believe it or not, but of course a much larger per capita. All of the states save Louisiana net pay more to the USFG than they get back, but even taking that into account there's still a net gain of 66 billion for the five states if they didn't pay DC.

It mystifies me that people think Texas could not make it on its own, or a smaller union of states would likewise be doomed to failure. Many smaller countries do just fine governing themselves. These states already have fully functioning governments, they would just take on some more duties in replacing the bloated and inefficient USFG and still save tens of billions per year even if they replaced every single function/program/welfare etc.

 

[Rotagilla]

Adding those additional states would make the resulting "Greater Texas" political entity the eighth largest economy in the world (2009 numbers, just like the state GDP ones), just behind Italy and the UK. Larger than India, believe it or not, but of course a much larger per capita. All of the states save Louisiana net pay more to the USFG than they get back, but even taking that into account there's still a net gain of 66 billion for the five states if they didn't pay DC.

It mystifies me that people think Texas could not make it on its own, or a smaller union of states would likewise be doomed to failure. Many smaller countries do just fine governing themselves. These states already have fully functioning governments, they would just take on some more duties in replacing the bloated and inefficient USFG and still save tens of billions per year even if they replaced every single function/program/welfare etc.

Precisely correct.

Those people have been indoctrinated their whole life to a certain mindset. They can't help it.

Indulge me and I'll post some facts about the economy of La...and it is true that we are cheated out of our proper oil royalties from the govt.

Now I doubt anyone will read all of this but the point is that a confederation of breakaway states would do JUST FINE w/out washington.
They need us a lot more than we need them. We have the agriculture, the oil, the oil refineries, a major port in New Orleans that provides access all the way up the Mississippi but also only 90 miles from the Gulf of Mexico..a great location....


Louisiana Economy
The main elements of the Louisiana economy are: the production of minerals, particularly oil and natural gas, but also sulphur, lime, salt and lignite; petroleum refining; chemical and petrochemical manufacturing; tourism; forestry; pulp, plywood and papermaking; agriculture and food processing; commercial fishing; shipping and international trade; shipbuilding, and general manufacturing.

Oil And Natural Gas And Minerals Production

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Louisiana contains just under 10 percent of all known U.S. oil reserves and is the country's third largest producer of petroleum. Its reserves of natural gas are even larger and it produces just over one-quarter of all U.S. supplies. Louisiana also has immense quantities of salt contained in huge underground formations, some of which are a mile across and up to 50,000 feet deep and produce almost 100 percent pure rock salt. The first sulphur mined in America came from Louisiana and the state is still a principal producer of the mineral.

Petroleum Refining

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Louisiana petroleum refineries produce enough gasoline annually (15 billion gallons) to fill up 800 million automobile gas tanks, making the state the third leading refiner. The state's 16 refineries include one of the four largest in the Western Hemisphere and among the companies with Louisiana production facilities are Exxon, Shell, Citgo. Mobil, Marathon, Conoco, BP and STAR. In addition to producing gasoline, Louisiana refineries also produce jet fuels, lubricants and some 600 other petroleum products.

Chemicals And Petrochemicals

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Louisiana ranks second in the nation in the primary production of petrochemicals. More than 100 major chemical plants are located in the state producing a variety of "building block" chemicals, fertilizers and plastics, plus the feedstocks for a wide array of other products. Synthetic rubber was first developed and produced commercially in Louisiana as were a number of other petroleum-related products.

Tourism

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Tourism is a major Louisiana industry employing over 87,000 workers. Travelers spend an estimated $5.2 billion in the state each year. Major tourist attractions include the New Orleans French Quarter, the Cajun Country, antebellum plantation homes, Jazz, distinctive food, deep sea and freshwater fishing, hunting, the Mardi Gras and more than 100 other festivals, swampland tours, hiking and camping, canoeing and Mississippi River boat rides.

Shipbuilding

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Louisiana shipyards build every kind of seagoing vessel from giant cryogenic ships used to transport liquified natural gas to some of the largest offshore oil and gas exploration rigs in the world. They also build merchant vessels, Coast Guard cutters, barges, tugs, supply boats, fishing vessels, pleasure craft and river patrol boats. The largest industrial employer in the state is Avondale Shipyards on the Mississippi River near New Orleans where vessels are sometimes built upside down and ships are launched sideways into the river rather than stern first as is the custom elsewhere.

Forestry and Forest Products

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Louisiana has more than 13.9 million acres of forests, including pine, oak, gum and cypress. Approximately one billion board feet of timber and 3.6 million cords of pulpwood are cut annually to support a variety of forest-related industries including Kraft paper and fine-paper mills, plywood and particle board plants, furniture and flooring manufacturers, pulp mills, liner board and container board factories and paper bag plants.

Agriculture and Food Processing

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Louisiana is among the top 10 states in the production of sugar cane (2nd), sweet potatoes (2nd), rice (3rd) and cotton (5th). It is also a major producer of beef cattle. Louisiana is the sole source of the Tabasco pepper prized as a condiment around the world and is also the sole source of perique tobacco which is widely used as flavoring with other tobaccos. The state's huge agricultural production supports more than a dozen rice mills, seven sugar refineries plus nearly two dozen other sugar-related facilities, and a number of canning plants, cotton gins and meat packaging plants.

Commercial Fishing

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Louisiana's commercial fishing industry catches about 25 percent of all the seafood landed in America and holds the record for the largest catch ever landed in a single year, 1.9 billion pounds. The state is the largest producer of shrimp and oysters in the U.S. Louisiana waters also yield menhaden, crab, butterfish, drum, red snapper, tuna and tile fish as well as a variety of game fish, including tarpon. The state's freshwater fishery is considered the most diversified in the U.S., and, in addition to fish, its commercial ponds and the Atchafalaya River Basin swamp produce millions of pounds of crawfish annually.

Shipping and International Commerce

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Louisiana was originally purchased from France in order to secure the Mississippi River and the port of New Orleans for the safe movement of the goods and produce of the fledgling United States. Today, it remains a major avenue for the import and export of goods. The state's five major ports handle roughly 400 million short tons of cargo a year, including more than 40 percent of all the grain exported from the U.S. More than 25 percent of the nation's waterborne exports pass through Louisiana, and its Superport is the only facility in the U.S. capable of handling ultra deep draft vessels drawing 100 feet of water. More than 5,000 ocean-going ships call at Louisiana ports each year along with a seemingly endless stream of barge tows, some of which carry more than 40,000 tons of cargo, more than many seagoing ships. And more than 185 years after its purchase from Napoleon, Louisiana remains a center for foreign investment with some 200 foreign companies having almost $16 billion invested in the state, the largest amount of foreign investment in any southeastern state and ninth largest among all states.

General Manufacturing

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In addition to its resource-based industries, Louisiana also has a diverse general manufacturing base. Louisiana produces business telephone systems, assembles light trucks, manufactures electrical equipment, manufactures pharmaceuticals, glass products and automobile batteries, as well as specialized vehicles for traveling over marshes, maritime ranging equipment to let boats know where they are at sea, makes playground equipment, mobile homes, yachts, clothing and weapons, plus several hundred other products.

Aerospace/Aviation

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While Martin Marietta employs more than 2500 workers in New Orleans to construct the external fuel tanks for NASA's space shuttle program, it is not Louisiana's only link to the nation's space program. NASA also operates an aerospace computer services center in Slidell. The state also has an emerging aviation services sector. The Boeing Corporation operates a major, aviation maintenance facility in Lake Charles which employs some 2,000 workers to repair and refit jet aircraft, while Collins Defense Communications, a division of Rockwell International, operates an aircraft modification center in Shreveport.

Biotechnology

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Louisiana excels in the three most promising areas of biotechnological research and development - bioprocess, recombinant DNA and monoclonal antibody technology. Scientists at Louisiana State University were the first in the world to bring about the successful birth of a calf from one quarter of a transplanted embryo. Louisiana's growing role in the world of biotechnological research is augmented by the Pennington Biomedical Research Center, a world-class facility in Baton Rouge which specializes in the study of the role of nutrition in health.


Film Industry
Louisiana's film history dates back to a 1908 production on "Faust." Last year (1994), production revenues from feature films, television, commercials and music videos produced in the state totaled more than $37 million. Recent feature films shot here include Interview with the Vampire, The Pelican Brief, and Heaven's Prisoners. The Louisiana Film Commission offers a variety of services to both in-state and out-of-state production companies.

 

[RKMBrown]

I must say, I would not be upset if one of two things happened. 1) the constitution of our republic was restored; 2) The more conservative states separated from the socialist states.

 

[Disir]

Every military base, every defense contractor, every dollar for education and medical.............gone............like that.

Make sure you have your paperwork in order at the border!

Of course, by the USFG, but no doubt the Republic of Texas would, as a sovereign nation, replace some or all of them. It is still a net win of 50 billion a year for Texas.

It seems you're having difficulty with the concept of net. Of course Texas as a whole would lose USFG funding, though not necessarily USFG contracts to produce weapons, or certainly not necessarily all of them. However, this would more than be made up by the elimination of USFG taxes. The difference, as I've pointed out, is 50 billion a year. Even if Texas decides to replace every single USFG program currently in place with one of their own, the state would still be 50 billion a year richer. It's unlikely that Texas would repeat all of the mistakes of the USFG, so that's even more savings.

So, larger population than many successful countries, GDP that would put it in the top 30 in the world, natural resources, and access to the oceans. Texas would make a great country. Not a superpower like the US or China, of course, but who wants that sort of expense and headache anyway?

It seems that your having difficulty that Texas is home to the most minimum wage workers.
More than 450,000 Texas workers make minimum wage, the most of any state. Texas, like most states, sets its minimum at the same level as the federal minimum wage — currently $7.25 an hour.
Minimum wage boost could help Texans — or hurt | Dallas Morning News

Don't look at Oklahoma.
Oklahoma Tribal Maps

Replacing those USFG contracts is going to be mighty tough.

You will win a civil war and an occupied Texas.

Popcorn eating fun for the whole family.

 

[longknife]

The whole purpose of the Founders was to form a confederation of states with each having its own supremacy.

Federalization initiated by and pushed from liberals and progressive is trying to destroy the rights of the various states.

More and more Americans are waking up to this and the lashback will be impresive.

 

[Disir]

Had the founders desired that then they would have stuck with the Articles of Confederation. True story.

Incidentally - it's why we refer to them as Founders.