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youit's funny when people who don't believe in god use his word to justify their worship of big government.
yeah that would be funny. So can you tell me who is doing that??
It's funny when people who don't believe in God use His Word to justify their worship of big government.
Yeah that would be funny. So can you tell me who is doing that??
daveman who is not christian uses the word to argue that government should not be involved.
I don't think that is what anyone is saying Jake. Let's distinguish between Government acting with the consent of the governed and Government acting beyond It's authority and consent. The history of the Bible is filled with King's, which would represent Government, acting under God's direction and against it. Sometimes circumstance dictates what must be done, for survival, what is the humane thing. Famine, rationing is a prime example. Progressive Socialism is not the only remedy for what ails us Jake. It is no substitute for an individual relationship with God either. There is nothing of the Physical World or existence that parallels what is of the Spirit. If God is Spirit and Truth, and we are instructed to Worship Him in Spirit and Truth, What of Government compares to that????? What place does Government have in Salvation, which is the Primary function of the Spiritual Path, other than to stop obstructing and move out of the way????? Spend some more time on Thoreau, and less on Porn.
Play nice now,
SCOTUS has determined that the federal government is acting within its authority in terms of Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, senior drug prescriptions, and a host of other social programs. No reasonable person imagines that SCOTUS will find differently with health insurance reform.
I hate to break it to you Jake, but even The Supreme Court is Subject to the Will of the People, and has no mandate that is exempt from the Super Majority. The Powers of The Supreme Court have been, are, and will continue to be granted by the consent of the governed. That is our system, which no shell game will change. You may divert, delay, obstruct, but the threat to you, that Justice and Righteousness will rule in the end, remains a constant reminder that all schemes will face the light of truth. Stay thirsty my friend.
It depends on what other rallies you are comparing it to. Your response is to vague in that area for me to pose a direct "comeback" response you calling this "restoring honor" rally miniscule.
The challenge I was looking for was for actual proof that can't be refuted. Like you said there is no real proof either way.
The rallies were mentioned earlier are you saying that you forgot already?? The Million Man March and "The March for Women's Lives". The Million Man March at it's low estimate was 400,000 which is your high estimate. The March for Women's Lives was twice that at it's low estimate. So the "Restoring Honor" rally was pretty miniscule in comparison.
Either way you can't prove your claims so there is NOTHING to challenge. So asking for challengers to your own opinion is pretty pointless seeing as how all they have to say is "I disagree" and the "challenge" is over.
Then why did you initially disparage the claims of people saying there were a lot of people at this rally again?
The rallies were mentioned earlier are you saying that you forgot already?? The Million Man March and "The March for Women's Lives". The Million Man March at it's low estimate was 400,000 which is your high estimate. The March for Women's Lives was twice that at it's low estimate. So the "Restoring Honor" rally was pretty miniscule in comparison.
Either way you can't prove your claims so there is NOTHING to challenge. So asking for challengers to your own opinion is pretty pointless seeing as how all they have to say is "I disagree" and the "challenge" is over.
Then why did you initially disparage the claims of people saying there were a lot of people at this rally again?
Who disparaged anyone?? I was saying that in comparison to other marches the numbers are nothing to brag about and the numbers show that to be the case.
Either way you can't prove your claims so there is NOTHING to challenge. So asking for challengers to your own opinion is pretty pointless seeing as how all they have to say is "I disagree" and the "challenge" is over. lol
SCOTUS has determined that the federal government is acting within its authority in terms of Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, senior drug prescriptions, and a host of other social programs. No reasonable person imagines that SCOTUS will find differently with health insurance reform.
I hate to break it to you Jake, but even The Supreme Court is Subject to the Will of the People, and has no mandate that is exempt from the Super Majority. The Powers of The Supreme Court have been, are, and will continue to be granted by the consent of the governed. That is our system, which no shell game will change. You may divert, delay, obstruct, but the threat to you, that Justice and Righteousness will rule in the end, remains a constant reminder that all schemes will face the light of truth. Stay thirsty my friend.
There is no sane real world scenario within which the American people amend the Constitution to make Social Security and Medicare unconstitutional.
SCOTUS has determined that the federal government is acting within its authority in terms of Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, senior drug prescriptions, and a host of other social programs. No reasonable person imagines that SCOTUS will find differently with health insurance reform.
I hate to break it to you Jake, but even The Supreme Court is Subject to the Will of the People, and has no mandate that is exempt from the Super Majority. The Powers of The Supreme Court have been, are, and will continue to be granted by the consent of the governed. That is our system, which no shell game will change. You may divert, delay, obstruct, but the threat to you, that Justice and Righteousness will rule in the end, remains a constant reminder that all schemes will face the light of truth. Stay thirsty my friend.
The hurricance could come tommorow, but it won't. The Super Majority will not over rule SCOTUS. Those who feel like you do about this issue are in the very small majority about the constitutionality of health insurance reform, and certainly are not in the mainstream.
Keep that in mind.
Then why did you initially disparage the claims of people saying there were a lot of people at this rally again?
Who disparaged anyone?? I was saying that in comparison to other marches the numbers are nothing to brag about and the numbers show that to be the case.
Either way you can't prove your claims so there is NOTHING to challenge. So asking for challengers to your own opinion is pretty pointless seeing as how all they have to say is "I disagree" and the "challenge" is over. lol
Unless they provide the basis for their opinion "I disagree because giants stadium holds 80,000 people and looks like this picture and compared to the pictures of the mall it shows there were x number of people"
"Compared to other marches this one is miniscule" "Compared to other marches the numbers are nothing to brag about" Those are both comments that appear to disparage and belittle the event due to the number attending compared to the events you list.
Its fine if you dont want to talk about the numbers and if that is the case then dont talk about it. But to say that the large gathering of people who went just to see Glenn Beck wasn't a big deal sounds a little like "head in the sand" thinking from my keyboard.
daveman who is not christian uses the word to argue that government should not be involved.
I don't think that is what anyone is saying Jake. Let's distinguish between Government acting with the consent of the governed and Government acting beyond It's authority and consent. The history of the Bible is filled with King's, which would represent Government, acting under God's direction and against it. Sometimes circumstance dictates what must be done, for survival, what is the humane thing. Famine, rationing is a prime example. Progressive Socialism is not the only remedy for what ails us Jake. It is no substitute for an individual relationship with God either. There is nothing of the Physical World or existence that parallels what is of the Spirit. If God is Spirit and Truth, and we are instructed to Worship Him in Spirit and Truth, What of Government compares to that????? What place does Government have in Salvation, which is the Primary function of the Spiritual Path, other than to stop obstructing and move out of the way????? Spend some more time on Thoreau, and less on Porn.
Play nice now,
In case you missed it, a couple of rightwingers have been trying to argue that government should not be "involved". Please check into what dive and lonestar have tried to claim for verification.
Uh is anyone actually trying to say that government should be or is involved in salvation??
Furthermore, it's kind of hypocritical of you to say "play nice now" immediately after your comments about porn and thoreau don't you think?
I don't think that is what anyone is saying Jake. Let's distinguish between Government acting with the consent of the governed and Government acting beyond It's authority and consent. The history of the Bible is filled with King's, which would represent Government, acting under God's direction and against it. Sometimes circumstance dictates what must be done, for survival, what is the humane thing. Famine, rationing is a prime example. Progressive Socialism is not the only remedy for what ails us Jake. It is no substitute for an individual relationship with God either. There is nothing of the Physical World or existence that parallels what is of the Spirit. If God is Spirit and Truth, and we are instructed to Worship Him in Spirit and Truth, What of Government compares to that????? What place does Government have in Salvation, which is the Primary function of the Spiritual Path, other than to stop obstructing and move out of the way????? Spend some more time on Thoreau, and less on Porn.
Play nice now,
In case you missed it, a couple of rightwingers have been trying to argue that government should not be "involved". Please check into what dive and lonestar have tried to claim for verification.
Uh is anyone actually trying to say that government should be or is involved in salvation??
Furthermore, it's kind of hypocritical of you to say "play nice now" immediately after your comments about porn and thoreau don't you think?
I think the point is that Government should not act beyond it's power's, imagining that is has authority beyond It's jurisdiction, which is born in Government by the consent of the governed. Your cartoon is the problem in that it is a false and misleading depiction of Glenn Becks position. I previously posted in relation to that issue. You have yet to address it.
When Locke defined the concept of "Separation Of Church and State", part of his argument was that Government has no Jurisdiction over Salvation, that it is an individual matter between each of us and our Creator. Things of the physical realm, can fall under the authority or rules of State, still that is not an absolute power that governs the physical realm, wrong action has consequence, both to the governed and the governing authority. Upset the balance and deal with the inevitable. Government is not the fix all nor the end all, the founder's mostly got that, that's why they limited it's scope of power. Roosevelt and your typical Progressives missed that, and that is why they expand government. For the Statist, Government is their God, and Eternal Salvation is no more than a superstition.
What you interpret as hypocritical, was a private joke. Jake and I go back and forth. You give the comment too much weight. Try not to confuse pushing buttons, in fun, with hypocrisy.
and you have shown you dont have clue ONE what the words of Jesus i posted meanIn case you missed it, a couple of rightwingers have been trying to argue that government should not be "involved". Please check into what dive and lonestar have tried to claim for verification.
Uh is anyone actually trying to say that government should be or is involved in salvation??
Furthermore, it's kind of hypocritical of you to say "play nice now" immediately after your comments about porn and thoreau don't you think?
I think the point is that Government should not act beyond it's power's, imagining that is has authority beyond It's jurisdiction, which is born in Government by the consent of the governed. Your cartoon is the problem in that it is a false and misleading depiction of Glenn Becks position. I previously posted in relation to that issue. You have yet to address it.
When Locke defined the concept of "Separation Of Church and State", part of his argument was that Government has no Jurisdiction over Salvation, that it is an individual matter between each of us and our Creator. Things of the physical realm, can fall under the authority or rules of State, still that is not an absolute power that governs the physical realm, wrong action has consequence, both to the governed and the governing authority. Upset the balance and deal with the inevitable. Government is not the fix all nor the end all, the founder's mostly got that, that's why they limited it's scope of power. Roosevelt and your typical Progressives missed that, and that is why they expand government. For the Statist, Government is their God, and Eternal Salvation is no more than a superstition.
What you interpret as hypocritical, was a private joke. Jake and I go back and forth. You give the comment too much weight. Try not to confuse pushing buttons, in fun, with hypocrisy.
If that was their point then why didn't they try to make that point?
How many times do you have to be told IT IS NOT MY CARTOON. Someone else posted it and dive responded to it, So I asked him to show where jesus said for the government NOT to do the things listed in the strip and he provided a statement that did NOT apply. My only reason for posting it is to show where the argument with dive began since he tried squrim away from what he originally said.
BTW no one is trying to argue that the government has jurisidiction over salvation so why continue to introduce another strawman??
OH and you claim it's a "private joke" but it still reaks of hypocrisy. Just thought I would let you know.
and you have shown you dont have clue ONE what the words of Jesus i posted meanI think the point is that Government should not act beyond it's power's, imagining that is has authority beyond It's jurisdiction, which is born in Government by the consent of the governed. Your cartoon is the problem in that it is a false and misleading depiction of Glenn Becks position. I previously posted in relation to that issue. You have yet to address it.
When Locke defined the concept of "Separation Of Church and State", part of his argument was that Government has no Jurisdiction over Salvation, that it is an individual matter between each of us and our Creator. Things of the physical realm, can fall under the authority or rules of State, still that is not an absolute power that governs the physical realm, wrong action has consequence, both to the governed and the governing authority. Upset the balance and deal with the inevitable. Government is not the fix all nor the end all, the founder's mostly got that, that's why they limited it's scope of power. Roosevelt and your typical Progressives missed that, and that is why they expand government. For the Statist, Government is their God, and Eternal Salvation is no more than a superstition.
What you interpret as hypocritical, was a private joke. Jake and I go back and forth. You give the comment too much weight. Try not to confuse pushing buttons, in fun, with hypocrisy.
If that was their point then why didn't they try to make that point?
How many times do you have to be told IT IS NOT MY CARTOON. Someone else posted it and dive responded to it, So I asked him to show where jesus said for the government NOT to do the things listed in the strip and he provided a statement that did NOT apply. My only reason for posting it is to show where the argument with dive began since he tried squrim away from what he originally said.
BTW no one is trying to argue that the government has jurisidiction over salvation so why continue to introduce another strawman??
OH and you claim it's a "private joke" but it still reaks of hypocrisy. Just thought I would let you know.
ok moron, show the scripture where Jesus said to have the GOVERNMENT NOT do those things
"render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's"
In case you missed it, a couple of rightwingers have been trying to argue that government should not be "involved". Please check into what dive and lonestar have tried to claim for verification.
Uh is anyone actually trying to say that government should be or is involved in salvation??
Furthermore, it's kind of hypocritical of you to say "play nice now" immediately after your comments about porn and thoreau don't you think?
I think the point is that Government should not act beyond it's power's, imagining that is has authority beyond It's jurisdiction, which is born in Government by the consent of the governed. Your cartoon is the problem in that it is a false and misleading depiction of Glenn Becks position. I previously posted in relation to that issue. You have yet to address it.
When Locke defined the concept of "Separation Of Church and State", part of his argument was that Government has no Jurisdiction over Salvation, that it is an individual matter between each of us and our Creator. Things of the physical realm, can fall under the authority or rules of State, still that is not an absolute power that governs the physical realm, wrong action has consequence, both to the governed and the governing authority. Upset the balance and deal with the inevitable. Government is not the fix all nor the end all, the founder's mostly got that, that's why they limited it's scope of power. Roosevelt and your typical Progressives missed that, and that is why they expand government. For the Statist, Government is their God, and Eternal Salvation is no more than a superstition.
What you interpret as hypocritical, was a private joke. Jake and I go back and forth. You give the comment too much weight. Try not to confuse pushing buttons, in fun, with hypocrisy.
If that was their point then why didn't they try to make that point?
How many times do you have to be told IT IS NOT MY CARTOON. Someone else posted it and dive responded to it, So I asked him to show where jesus said for the government NOT to do the things listed in the strip and he provided a statement that did NOT apply. My only reason for posting it is to show where the argument with dive began since he tried squrim away from what he originally said.
BTW no one is trying to argue that the government has jurisidiction over salvation so why continue to introduce another strawman??
OH and you claim it's a "private joke" but it still reaks of hypocrisy. Just thought I would let you know.
I think the point is that Government should not act beyond it's power's, imagining that is has authority beyond It's jurisdiction, which is born in Government by the consent of the governed. Your cartoon is the problem in that it is a false and misleading depiction of Glenn Becks position. I previously posted in relation to that issue. You have yet to address it.
When Locke defined the concept of "Separation Of Church and State", part of his argument was that Government has no Jurisdiction over Salvation, that it is an individual matter between each of us and our Creator. Things of the physical realm, can fall under the authority or rules of State, still that is not an absolute power that governs the physical realm, wrong action has consequence, both to the governed and the governing authority. Upset the balance and deal with the inevitable. Government is not the fix all nor the end all, the founder's mostly got that, that's why they limited it's scope of power. Roosevelt and your typical Progressives missed that, and that is why they expand government. For the Statist, Government is their God, and Eternal Salvation is no more than a superstition.
What you interpret as hypocritical, was a private joke. Jake and I go back and forth. You give the comment too much weight. Try not to confuse pushing buttons, in fun, with hypocrisy.
If that was their point then why didn't they try to make that point?
How many times do you have to be told IT IS NOT MY CARTOON. Someone else posted it and dive responded to it, So I asked him to show where jesus said for the government NOT to do the things listed in the strip and he provided a statement that did NOT apply. My only reason for posting it is to show where the argument with dive began since he tried squrim away from what he originally said.
BTW no one is trying to argue that the government has jurisidiction over salvation so why continue to introduce another strawman??
OH and you claim it's a "private joke" but it still reaks of hypocrisy. Just thought I would let you know.
In all fairness, from my perspective, you made it the point, again and again and again.
Think about the theme. Faith, Hope And Charity. What is the root??? Corinthian's Chapter 13. Big with the Southern Baptist's as far back as I can remember. You were probably raised with that as a common Bible study? From a Bible History perspective, every empire was influenced or effected by the Prophet's, right??? Abraham, David, Joseph, Jonah, Daniel were stories many of us grew up to.
When we separate Church and State, we separate and insulate both, to protect both, we separate Dogma from the lessons that we know to be true and of value, right. Do not steal, do not Murder, do not assault, do not lie under Oath, do not bear false witness, are valuable to both Church and State. We do not abandon virtue when we enter society, it is not offensive to the State because it was born of Religion. In civil society we do not distinguish between brands in relation to Church, We leave the Dogma at the door, not Reason.
Is it an offense for a Government to serve Justice??? Of Course not. Is it an offense for a Government to show charity within it's means? No? Is the focus here about doing what is right??? It could easily be.
and you STILL dont get itand you have shown you dont have clue ONE what the words of Jesus i posted meanIf that was their point then why didn't they try to make that point?
How many times do you have to be told IT IS NOT MY CARTOON. Someone else posted it and dive responded to it, So I asked him to show where jesus said for the government NOT to do the things listed in the strip and he provided a statement that did NOT apply. My only reason for posting it is to show where the argument with dive began since he tried squrim away from what he originally said.
BTW no one is trying to argue that the government has jurisidiction over salvation so why continue to introduce another strawman??
OH and you claim it's a "private joke" but it still reaks of hypocrisy. Just thought I would let you know.
Thanks for trolling but the FACT remains that your own words show you to be dishonest.
here is the comic strip
This is what I posted
ok moron, show the scripture where Jesus said to have the GOVERNMENT NOT do those things
and this was your response
"render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's"
Your response does not show that jesus said the government should not do the things listed in the strip. You lose, AGAIN. LOL
and you have shown you dont have clue ONE what the words of Jesus i posted meanIf that was their point then why didn't they try to make that point?
How many times do you have to be told IT IS NOT MY CARTOON. Someone else posted it and dive responded to it, So I asked him to show where jesus said for the government NOT to do the things listed in the strip and he provided a statement that did NOT apply. My only reason for posting it is to show where the argument with dive began since he tried squrim away from what he originally said.
BTW no one is trying to argue that the government has jurisidiction over salvation so why continue to introduce another strawman??
OH and you claim it's a "private joke" but it still reaks of hypocrisy. Just thought I would let you know.
Thanks for trolling but the FACT remains that your own words show you to be dishonest.
here is the comic strip
This is what I posted
ok moron, show the scripture where Jesus said to have the GOVERNMENT NOT do those things
and this was your response
"render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's"
Your response does not show that jesus said the government should not do the things listed in the strip. You lose, AGAIN. LOL
and you STILL dont get itand you have shown you dont have clue ONE what the words of Jesus i posted mean
Thanks for trolling but the FACT remains that your own words show you to be dishonest.
here is the comic strip
This is what I posted
and this was your response
"render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's"
Your response does not show that jesus said the government should not do the things listed in the strip. You lose, AGAIN. LOL
MORON
keep proving me rightand you STILL dont get itThanks for trolling but the FACT remains that your own words show you to be dishonest.
here is the comic strip
This is what I posted
and this was your response
Your response does not show that jesus said the government should not do the things listed in the strip. You lose, AGAIN. LOL
MORON
Oh I get it that you tried to present that as an answer to what I posted when it doesn;t show that jesus said that the government should not do the things listed in the strip.
According to lonestar jesus never said anything of the kind so even one of your own countered your spin.
You lose, again.
