Holocaust deniers

[Sunni Man]

Goebbel's diary make no mention of gas chambers or gassing. ...

 

[Penelope]

Perhaps this was the holocaust. The Dresden bombings, the whole town ablaze, they used HIGH explosives bombs.

The soviets were coming from the east, we are told in many reports whoever survived followed the Germans for fear of the Soviets, so Churchill goes and bombs ahead of the Soviets. Germany claimed around 200,000 people died, but that was just "propaganda"

What do you think?

Bombing of Dresden in World War II Bombing of Dresden in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

of the Second World War in the European Theatre. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.[1] The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed over 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] Between 22,700 and 25,000 people were killed


A Dresden police report written shortly after the attacks reported that the old town and the inner eastern suburbs had been engulfed in a single fire that had destroyed almost 12,000 dwellings.[78] The same report said that the raids had destroyed 24 banks, 26 insurance buildings, 31 stores and retail houses, 640 shops, 64 warehouses, 2 market halls, 31 large hotels, 26 public houses, 63 administrative buildings, 3 theatres, 18 cinemas, 11 churches, 6 chapels; 5 other cultural buildings, 19 hospitals including auxiliary, overflow hospitals, and private clinics, 39 schools, 5 consulates, the zoo, the waterworks, the railways, 19 postal facilities, 4 tram facilities, and 19 ships and barges. The Wehrmacht's main command post in the Taschenbergpalais, 19 military hospitals and a number of less significant military facilities were also destroyed.[78] Almost 200 factories were damaged, 136 seriously damaged (including several of the Zeiss Ikon precision optical engineering works), 28 with medium to serious damage, and 35 with light damage.[79]An RAF assessment showed that 23 percent of the industrial buildings, and 56 percent of the non-industrial buildings, not counting residential buildings, had been seriously damaged. Around 78,000 dwellings had been completely destroyed; 27,700 were uninhabitable, and 64,500 damaged, but readily repairable

To my left I suddenly see a woman. I can see her to this day and shall never forget it. She carries a bundle in her arms. It is a baby. She runs, she falls, and the child flies in an arc into the fire.
Suddenly, I saw people again, right in front of me. They scream and gesticulate with their hands, and then—to my utter horror and amazement—I see how one after the other they simply seem to let themselves drop to the ground. (Today I know that these unfortunate people were the victims of lack of oxygen). They fainted and then burnt to cinders.
Insane fear grips me and from then on I repeat one simple sentence to myself continuously: "I don't want to burn to death". I do not know how many people I fell over. I know only one thing: that I must not burn.
— Margaret Freyer, survivor

 

[Discombobulated]

Goebbel's diary make no mention of gas chambers or gassing. ...

Is that another one you got from a web site, or did you conduct your own intensive scholarly research?

 

[Discombobulated]

Perhaps this was the holocaust. The Dresden bombings, the whole town ablaze, they used HIGH explosives bombs.

The soviets were coming from the east, we are told in many reports whoever survived followed the Germans for fear of the Soviets, so Churchill goes and bombs ahead of the Soviets. Germany claimed around 200,000 people died, but that was just "propaganda"

What do you think?

Bombing of Dresden in World War II Bombing of Dresden in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

of the Second World War in the European Theatre. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.[1] The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed over 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] Between 22,700 and 25,000 people were killed


A Dresden police report written shortly after the attacks reported that the old town and the inner eastern suburbs had been engulfed in a single fire that had destroyed almost 12,000 dwellings.[78] The same report said that the raids had destroyed 24 banks, 26 insurance buildings, 31 stores and retail houses, 640 shops, 64 warehouses, 2 market halls, 31 large hotels, 26 public houses, 63 administrative buildings, 3 theatres, 18 cinemas, 11 churches, 6 chapels; 5 other cultural buildings, 19 hospitals including auxiliary, overflow hospitals, and private clinics, 39 schools, 5 consulates, the zoo, the waterworks, the railways, 19 postal facilities, 4 tram facilities, and 19 ships and barges. The Wehrmacht's main command post in the Taschenbergpalais, 19 military hospitals and a number of less significant military facilities were also destroyed.[78] Almost 200 factories were damaged, 136 seriously damaged (including several of the Zeiss Ikon precision optical engineering works), 28 with medium to serious damage, and 35 with light damage.[79]An RAF assessment showed that 23 percent of the industrial buildings, and 56 percent of the non-industrial buildings, not counting residential buildings, had been seriously damaged. Around 78,000 dwellings had been completely destroyed; 27,700 were uninhabitable, and 64,500 damaged, but readily repairable

To my left I suddenly see a woman. I can see her to this day and shall never forget it. She carries a bundle in her arms. It is a baby. She runs, she falls, and the child flies in an arc into the fire.
Suddenly, I saw people again, right in front of me. They scream and gesticulate with their hands, and then—to my utter horror and amazement—I see how one after the other they simply seem to let themselves drop to the ground. (Today I know that these unfortunate people were the victims of lack of oxygen). They fainted and then burnt to cinders.
Insane fear grips me and from then on I repeat one simple sentence to myself continuously: "I don't want to burn to death". I do not know how many people I fell over. I know only one thing: that I must not burn.
— Margaret Freyer, survivor

Or perhaps not.

 

[Discombobulated]

90% of the Jews in Poland were exterminated, and Poland was a country with a pretty significant Jewish minority.

deaths under the German occupation at 5,470,000 to 5,670,000, half of whom were Jewish.

what is the racial, religious, ethnic, etc breakdown of the OTHER half who died ?

It doesn't matter.

Really? Why doesn't it matter?

 

[dilloduck]

deaths under the German occupation at 5,470,000 to 5,670,000, half of whom were Jewish.

what is the racial, religious, ethnic, etc breakdown of the OTHER half who died ?

It doesn't matter.

Really? Why doesn't it matter?

I guess you would have to ask the folks who were in charge of record keeping.

 

[Discombobulated]

It doesn't matter.

Really? Why doesn't it matter?

I guess you would have to ask the folks who were in charge of record keeping.

Do you ever say anything that makes any sense?

 

[dilloduck]

Really? Why doesn't it matter?

I guess you would have to ask the folks who were in charge of record keeping.

Do you ever say anything that makes any sense?

If it did matter wouldn't the Germans have kept records ?

 

[Discombobulated]

I guess you would have to ask the folks who were in charge of record keeping.

Do you ever say anything that makes any sense?

If it did matter wouldn't the Germans have kept records ?

They did, as everyone already knows.

 

[dilloduck]

Do you ever say anything that makes any sense?

If it did matter wouldn't the Germans have kept records ?

They did, as everyone already knows.

So where are the numbers ?

 

[Discombobulated]

If it did matter wouldn't the Germans have kept records ?

They did, as everyone already knows.

So where are the numbers ?

Which numbers?

 

[dilloduck]

They did, as everyone already knows.

So where are the numbers ?

Which numbers?

The numbers I already asked for once in this thread.

 

[Discombobulated]

Maybe some of the Nazi sympathizers can digest these numbers....

http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/denial/nazi_doc.txt

 

[Coyote]

90% of the Jews in Poland were exterminated, and Poland was a country with a pretty significant Jewish minority.

deaths under the German occupation at 5,470,000 to 5,670,000, half of whom were Jewish.

what is the racial, religious, ethnic, etc breakdown of the OTHER half who died ?

I'm not disputing that and all the deaths should be remembered. But I think it's important to also think in terms of percentages of populations as well when you are talking about genocide. It brings meaning to scale: Was the Holocaust Only Against Jews?

A far higher percentage of Jews were lost than that of their non-Jewish counterparts in all other groups. While 90% of Poland's Jewish population was decimated, 94% of Polish Christians survived. Close to 60% of Europe's total Jewish population was murdered, while the millions of Russians deaths represented 15% of their population. A large number of Poles and Russians were killed during the German Army's invasion and occupation of their lands, and many Russian soldiers died in captivity in violation of international conventions. It would seem inaccurate to classify these dead as Holocaust victims, although racism was undeniably a factor in the treatment they received.

But, I agree - the others are frequently overlooked (from the same source)

2 million ethnic Poles
6 million Soviet citizens
2 million Soviet POW's
1.5 million Gypsies
200,000 handicapped and mentally retarded Germans
5,000 – 15,000 homosexuals

 

[dilloduck]

Maybe some of the Nazi sympathizers can digest these numbers....

http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/denial/nazi_doc.txt

The numbers I asked for weren't there.

 

[Penelope]

Goebbel's diary make no mention of gas chambers or gassing. ...

I have to agree.

Schach reported to me on questions regarding the gau of Berlin. We must deal again with the Jewish problem. There are still 40,000 Jews in Berlin and despite the heavy blows dealt them they are still insolent and aggressive. It is exceedingly difficult to shove them off to the East because a large part of them are at work in the munitions industry and because the Jews are to be evacuated only by families.

I take liquidated as who cares about evacuation by families anymore, we need to get rid of them anyway we can, to where ever we can. I never get the impression of killing them.

If anything that diary does not more than to show Hitler thought the protocols of Zion were real, also that we can't leave them to the Soviets.

Speaks rather in favor of the Germans and their real concern and fear of the Jewish people.

 

[Discombobulated]

Which numbers?

The numbers I already asked for once in this thread.

Read the user name of the moron with whom you are chatting. You are better off banging your head into a concrete curb.

Try reading post #373.....that is if you are at all inclined to do any actual reading. You should take comfort in the fact that it's presented through a web site, a format you can understand.

 

[Discombobulated]

Maybe some of the Nazi sympathizers can digest these numbers....

http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/denial/nazi_doc.txt

The numbers I asked for weren't there.

You read nothing. Why do you people have to lie about everything all the time?

 

[dilloduck]

The numbers I already asked for once in this thread.

Read the user name of the moron with whom you are chatting. You are better off banging your head into a concrete curb.

Try reading post #373.....that is if you are at all inclined to do any actual reading. You should take comfort in the fact that it's presented through a web site, a format you can understand.

already dragging out the insults ? How come you can't do this without the insults ?

 

[LiberalMedia]

The so called "Holocaust" is the only historical event that people are not allowed to debate in several western countries under threat of heavy fines and imprisonment.

Which begs the question: "What are the authorities trying to hide?" .....

Your bigotry, from civilized society.