Zone1 Jesus Is My Rock My Sword And Shield

[Meriweather]

Well, I give you my beliefs base on what I believe the revelations of God are. You can take it or leave it. But if you engage in a discussion with me I am going to give you what I believe and not dance around the issue an try to only hold to what you believe. If you don't like it, you can simply not reply to my posts. If you reply to my posts, you are going to get the why of why I believe what I do. If it is of no interest to you, that is your problem.

You may not have noticed I seldom do respond to your posts. This time I was curious how the LDS dance goes around Jesus' own words about marriage and the afterlife. Not like discussions with LDS? Call it that if you want, but actually it is complete indifference to something so far out in left field, it's a foul ball into another ballpark. Nothing wrong with people liking the game over there better with its Doctrines and Covenants and or its using Melchizedek in an effort to refute Jesus' own words.

 

[Cougarbear]

In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus doesn't seem to agree. Angels, and those who pass into the spirit world do not marry nor are they given in marriage. Genesis, in God's creation of people, says nothing of this--either in the creation of Adam or of Eve. It is only in the very recent LDS church (1841, less that 200 years ago) that the idea of being sealed to spouse in the next life arose.

As a side note to OneFour1’s doctrinal answer to you, marriage, as with every other ORDINANCE, can only be performed on earth with earthly human bodies of flesh, blood and bones. So, of course marriage is not given in heaven. This is why vicarious baptism is necessary. He confounded the religious leaders and His followers of His time as well as religious leaders and their followers today. Now and then, you and them are blinded by the craftiness of men mingled with scripture.

 

[ding]

Sounds like something a con man Joseph Smith would come up with.

 

[jbander]

It's simple.

If you do not want Jesus, then stop about him.
If you d not like Christians then stop talking to us.

It's simple. No one can support a Anti-Christ then call themselves a Christian.

 

[crossbody]

It's simple. No one can support a Anti-Christ then call themselves a Christian.

That's so silly!

Such a silly thing cannot even be done. It's just stupid. Jesus let us know that was impossible!

 

[onefour1]

You may not have noticed I seldom do respond to your posts. This time I was curious how the LDS dance goes around Jesus' own words about marriage and the afterlife. Not like discussions with LDS? Call it that if you want, but actually it is complete indifference to something so far out in left field, it's a foul ball into another ballpark. Nothing wrong with people liking the game over there better with its Doctrines and Covenants and or its using Melchizedek in an effort to refute Jesus' own words.

It was not a refutation of Jesus' words but an explanation as to why Jesus answered the Sadducees they way he did. The Jews did not hold the Melchizedek priesthood which has the keys to bind on earth and to bind in heaven. Thus under the Aaronic priesthood which they held, their marriages were not sealed or bound in heaven. Thus when they were dead, they were not married since it was not sealed or bound in heaven. As Cougarbear also stated, marriages are not performed in heaven but only on the earth. Thus if the seven brothers were not married by way of the sealing power of the Melchizedek priesthood by being sealed in heaven, then the marriages were not recognized in heaven. Thus they remain single in heaven. However, just as baptisms can be performed vicariously for the dead, so too can marriages through the Melchizedek priesthood be vicariously performed. Thus the great importance of doing work for the dead in our temples.

Christ was simply telling the Sadducees that under their current authority, it didn't matter how many times the woman married, their marriages were not of any eternal significance without the sealing or binding authority of the higher priesthood. They were not sealed or bound in heaven. No repudiation of Christ's teachings but simply an explanation to why their marriages were not valid in heaven. But Jesus did bestow upon Peter the authority to bind in heaven whatsoever he was to bind on earth, and that includes marriage.

 

[Cougarbear]

It was not a refutation of Jesus' words but an explanation as to why Jesus answered the Sadducees they way he did. The Jews did not hold the Melchizedek priesthood which has the keys to bind on earth and to bind in heaven. Thus under the Aaronic priesthood which they held, their marriages were not sealed or bound in heaven. Thus when they were dead, they were not married since it was not sealed or bound in heaven. As Cougarbear also stated, marriages are not performed in heaven but only on the earth. Thus if the seven brothers were not married by way of the sealing power of the Melchizedek priesthood by being sealed in heaven, then the marriages were not recognized in heaven. Thus they remain single in heaven. However, just as baptisms can be performed vicariously for the dead, so too can marriages through the Melchizedek priesthood be vicariously performed. Thus the great importance of doing work for the dead in our temples.

Christ was simply telling the Sadducees that under their current authority, it didn't matter how many times the woman married, their marriages were not of any eternal significance without the sealing or binding authority of the higher priesthood. They were not sealed or bound in heaven. No repudiation of Christ's teachings but simply an explanation to why their marriages were not valid in heaven. But Jesus did bestow upon Peter the authority to bind in heaven whatsoever he was to bind on earth, and that includes marriage.

It's amazing how people are truly blinded by the craftiness of men mingled with scripture. Nothing is more evident than what we see in here.
How

 

[kjw47]

We are of one accord on that.
But, what about the sin you don't know you are committing? God gave the Jews over six hundred of them. Can we trust Jesus to have shed His blood for the the sins we overlook?
What about the original sin? That's a blood issue that requires a pure, sinless blood to wash away. ^ That is a salvation issue. Repenting is a behavioral issue. They are 2 separate things.

Even the creme de la creme of God's children had to wait in Abraham's Bosom until Christ died and paid for their sins. The first thing Jesus did after the cross was to go and get them.

The bible does not teach what you have said in your last sentence.
The bible is filled with what God hates. There will be no excuse for any not to know what is sin in Gods view. The true followers listen to Jesus and apply all he taught-Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God. So those who love God and his son, learn every utterance from God=OT-NT without fail. Jesus' real teachers he is with, teach to the flock without fail=every utterance from God. All can look this very minute on that fact and see clearly if Jesus is with their teachers. 99% of all religion claiming to be Christian does not have Jesus.

 

[Cougarbear]

The bible does not teach what you have said in your last sentence.
The bible is filled with what God hates. There will be no excuse for any not to know what is sin in Gods view. The true followers listen to Jesus and apply all he taught-Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God. So those who love God and his son, learn every utterance from God=OT-NT without fail. Jesus' real teachers he is with, teach to the flock without fail=every utterance from God. All can look this very minute on that fact and see clearly if Jesus is with their teachers. 99% of all religion claiming to be Christian does not have Jesus.

There's currently 8.5 million JWs in the world all hoping to be the very elect 144,000. Since the establishment of the JWs, there been maybe 30 million members? All hoping to be the very elect 144,000. The rest will be case out and rubbed out of existence. Do you think you will be one of the 144,000?

 

[kjw47]

There's currently 8.5 million JWs in the world all hoping to be the very elect 144,000. Since the establishment of the JWs, there been maybe 30 million members? All hoping to be the very elect 144,000. The rest will be case out and rubbed out of existence. Do you think you will be one of the 144,000?

I don't want to be one of the 144,000. I want to stay on earth in paradise as a perfect mortal=never sick, never without, always happy, not aging like now.
The great crowd will not be rubbed out, they remain on earth forever-Prov 2:21-22, Psalm 37:29)

 

[Cougarbear]

I don't want to be one of the 144,000. I want to stay on earth in paradise as a perfect mortal=never sick, never without, always happy, not aging like now.
The great crowd will not be rubbed out, they remain on earth forever-Prov 2:21-22, Psalm 37:29)

The Millennium is for a 1,000 years. Then Satan will be loosed for a season to tempt those born during the Millennium. Then, the final battle of Gog and Magog. The earth will then be celestialized and cleansed by fire. No, no one will be on earth like you said. It will become the Celestial Glory of Heaven for those who are resurrected to the highest or 3rd heaven and sealed in the new and everlasting covenant of marriage.
Why anyone would listen to your scholars after they couldn’t get any timeline correct for the Millennium to begin. 5 times they lied.

 

[kjw47]

The Millennium is for a 1,000 years. Then Satan will be loosed for a season to tempt those born during the Millennium. Then, the final battle of Gog and Magog. The earth will then be celestialized and cleansed by fire. No, no one will be on earth like you said. It will become the Celestial Glory of Heaven for those who are resurrected to the highest or 3rd heaven and sealed in the new and everlasting covenant of marriage.
Why anyone would listen to your scholars after they couldn’t get any timeline correct for the Millennium to begin. 5 times they lied.

He will tempt the resurrected ones given a second chance. Its why he will be loosed.
3 heavens mentioned in Gods word
1) our atmosphere( concerning Elijahs chariot event)
2) outer space
3)Gods dwelling place.

 

[Cougarbear]

He will tempt the resurrected ones given a second chance. Its why he will be loosed.
3 heavens mentioned in Gods word
1) our atmosphere( concerning Elijahs chariot event)
2) outer space
3)Gods dwelling place.

No, read First Corinthians chapter 15 where the 3 levels of glory in the resurrection are taught.
Resurrection perfects the body and spirit and cannot be tempted.

 

[kjw47]

No, read First Corinthians chapter 15 where the 3 levels of glory in the resurrection are taught.
Resurrection perfects the body and spirit and cannot be tempted.

The resurrection of Rev 20 occurs on the earth.

 

[Cougarbear]

The resurrection of Rev 20 occurs on the earth.

Not for most it won’t. Only for the 144,000 special people. Not you.

 

[jbander]

That's so silly!

Such a silly thing cannot even be done. It's just stupid. Jesus let us know that was impossible!

You better get a littler closer to your bible, Christians ,as in scum like MAGA are going to be drawn in by the antichrist to fight against God and his Angels.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The bible does not teach what you have said in your last sentence.
The bible is filled with what God hates. There will be no excuse for any not to know what is sin in Gods view. The true followers listen to Jesus and apply all he taught-Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God. So those who love God and his son, learn every utterance from God=OT-NT without fail. Jesus' real teachers he is with, teach to the flock without fail=every utterance from God. All can look this very minute on that fact and see clearly if Jesus is with their teachers. 99% of all religion claiming to be Christian does not have Jesus.

The Bible absolutely teaches what I posted. From Christ telling His disciples where he was going. (He gave us the specific location!)To going there, to speaking with the ones on the other side of the chasm, to bringing those in Abraham's Bosom/Paradise with Him when He came back. We know that is where Jesus went because He gave the thief on the cross their itinerary. We know the Paradise Jesus was referring to wasn't Heaven because He told Mary He had not yet risen.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
^
Where he was going.

Luke 16: 19-31 “There once was a rich man, expensively dressed in the latest fashions, wasting his days in conspicuous consumption. A poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, had been dumped on his doorstep. All he lived for was to get a meal from scraps off the rich man’s table. His best friends were the dogs who came and licked his sores.“Then he died, this poor man, and was taken up by the angels to the lap of Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell and in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham in the distance and Lazarus in his lap. He called out, ‘Father Abraham, mercy! Have mercy! Send Lazarus to dip his finger in water to cool my tongue. I’m in agony in this fire.’“But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that in your lifetime you got the good things and Lazarus the bad things. It’s not like that here. Here he’s consoled and you’re tormented. Besides, in all these matters there is a huge chasm set between us so that no one can go from us to you even if he wanted to, nor can anyone cross over from you to us.’“The rich man said, ‘Then let me ask you, Father: Send him to the house of my father where I have five brothers, so he can tell them the score and warn them so they won’t end up here in this place of torment.’“Abraham answered, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets to tell them the score. Let them listen to them.’“‘I know, Father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but they’re not listening. If someone came back to them from the dead, they would change their ways.’“Abraham replied, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the Prophets, they’re not going to be convinced by someone who rises from the dead.’”
^
Where He went.


1 Peter 3: 18-20 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient.
^
He proclaimed who He was.

Matthew 27:51-53 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
^
An earthquake took place while Christ was on the cross and rolled the stones from the graves because those that returned with Him needed their, now glorified, bodies back.

The Pharisees also learned every utterance. Christ wasn't impressed because they left out the most important part. Love.
Jesus said that if we love one another, we have fulfilled the Law.

Jesus is the teacher.

 

[kjw47]

Not for most it won’t. Only for the 144,000 special people. Not you.

The 144,000 are the anointed bride=bought from the earth( Rev 14:3= to heaven. Only those are promised heaven.

 

[kjw47]

The Bible absolutely teaches what I posted. From Christ telling His disciples where he was going. (He gave us the specific location!)To going there, to speaking with the ones on the other side of the chasm, to bringing those in Abraham's Bosom/Paradise with Him when He came back. We know that is where Jesus went because He gave the thief on the cross their itinerary. We know the Paradise Jesus was referring to wasn't Heaven because He told Mary He had not yet risen.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
^
Where he was going.

Luke 16: 19-31 “There once was a rich man, expensively dressed in the latest fashions, wasting his days in conspicuous consumption. A poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, had been dumped on his doorstep. All he lived for was to get a meal from scraps off the rich man’s table. His best friends were the dogs who came and licked his sores.“Then he died, this poor man, and was taken up by the angels to the lap of Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell and in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham in the distance and Lazarus in his lap. He called out, ‘Father Abraham, mercy! Have mercy! Send Lazarus to dip his finger in water to cool my tongue. I’m in agony in this fire.’“But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that in your lifetime you got the good things and Lazarus the bad things. It’s not like that here. Here he’s consoled and you’re tormented. Besides, in all these matters there is a huge chasm set between us so that no one can go from us to you even if he wanted to, nor can anyone cross over from you to us.’“The rich man said, ‘Then let me ask you, Father: Send him to the house of my father where I have five brothers, so he can tell them the score and warn them so they won’t end up here in this place of torment.’“Abraham answered, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets to tell them the score. Let them listen to them.’“‘I know, Father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but they’re not listening. If someone came back to them from the dead, they would change their ways.’“Abraham replied, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the Prophets, they’re not going to be convinced by someone who rises from the dead.’”
^
Where He went.


1 Peter 3: 18-20 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient.
^
He proclaimed who He was.

Matthew 27:51-53 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
^
An earthquake took place while Christ was on the cross and rolled the stones from the graves because those that returned with Him needed their, now glorified, bodies back.

The Pharisees also learned every utterance. Christ wasn't impressed because they left out the most important part. Love.
Jesus said that if we love one another, we have fulfilled the Law.

Jesus is the teacher.

Yes he went into the grave=dead. The dead no nothing at all.
Lazarus and the rich man is symbolism. No one could find happiness if they could see loved ones suffering.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Yes he went into the grave=dead. The dead no nothing at all.
Lazarus and the rich man is symbolism. No one could find happiness if they could see loved ones suffering.

So you disagree with the Bible? None of what I posted actually happened? Matthew lied about them being seen by many? < What does that symbolize?