POLL: Will Trump tone it down now?

[easyt65]

Civil discussion, respectful disagreement, & agreeing to disagree has been declared unacceptable by 'new era's Democrats.

The 'politics of personal destruction' - personally destroying anyone who does not share their views, beliefs, and ideology is their new philosophy....Herman Cain, Brett Kavanaugh, Donald Trump ... R-Scalise... all examples of the Lefts attempt to destroy...or murder those who oppose them.

 

[DustyInfinity]

Must also point point out, as many already have, that Trump does not attack democrat voters. He has never gone after his own people. The fact that democrats have crossed this line is outrageous. I never thought I'd live to see the day when politicians attacked its own citizens publicly.

 

[bripat9643]

lets all agree to disagree and lets all tone it down

AZ I agree full well in what you say but when the person in the WH tones it up calling everyone but the kitchen sink liars it's not easy ,,hard to have that %$#$%$# just get away with it

No, he just calls leftwingers and the fake media liars, because they all are.

 

[Mac1958]

Civil discussion, respectful disagreement, & agreeing to disagree has been declared unacceptable by 'new era's Democrats.

Yes. And there has been more than enough of that from the Right, as well. I don't see or hear talk radio or right wing internet websites trying to tone things down. And we see that manifest every single day, right here on good ol' USMB.

This doesn't improve until both ends stop pointing the finger and start looking in the mirror. Not holding my breath.
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[DustyInfinity]

You're weaseling, just like a typical leftwinger.

I've never had a person get so pissy with me for agreeing with them.

Okay, thanks.
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Hey Mac,
Just curious, in your socialism by degrees, when does the government ever say we have enough power and it is time to stop? Also, I know you hate any right leaning media, but do you believe the democrat argument than any disagreement with CNN or MSNBC is an act of violence? I guess I'm just a winger for believing it is okay to call out democrats.

Government says "we have enough power and it is time to stop" when those who have won elections - elected officials - say it. So that is entirely up to us. If the government is continuing to get too big - "socialism by degrees" - that's only because that's what the electorate wants. If the Right really wants less government, I can only say that running around screaming SOCIALISM is no longer going to work. The word no longer scares people. You'll need to do better and come up with a more thoughtful approach.

I don't "hate" anyone. But to your question, the notion that "any disagreement with CNN or MSNBC is an act of violence" would be another example of the ridiculous hyperbole that is ruining our political discourse - which includes calling any criticism "hate", by the way. By both ends. I haven't seen that said, but given where things are now, it wouldn't surprise me.

And calling out Democrats is perfectly fine. The question is how it is done. There's more than one way to do it, but since Trump and his supporters appear to think that behaving like petulant 12-year old boys is proper, and that there's just no other way to do it, that's up to them. It really is possible to say intelligent, tactical, effective things in a more dignified manner, but it's clear Trump just doesn't have that capacity.
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That is a horrifying view of government expansion. The government can offer perks for power and expand to the nth degree. It is already happening, and this is not a thoughtful and beneficial expansion. As for being nice and dignified, why should he handle the people who have been out to destroy him at a 90% negative rate with kid gloves? Especially with all of the anonymous sources and outright lies, and the attacks on his wife and young son. Being tough with a vicious opponent in no way justifies the acts of lunacy and anything it takes to win mentality by the left and their elected officials. As many have pointed out, Trump is one of the few who dared disagree with the mainstream media, and they have been trying unsuccessfully to destroy him from the beginning.

As I said, how you approach it is up to you. If you think Trump's approach is the only way, great.

But if you're horrified, then it's up to you and the Right to effectively communicate your opinions and change minds. That's what elections are for.

My two cents: Screaming SOCIALISM, attacking people, insulting people, mocking people - probably not the best idea. That's just me.
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I know you don't like the term socialism, and there have been many threads trying to define it to people's satisfactions, but I believe it is a fair political criticism. You never offered a counter to the government being able to expand at will by offering favors for power. I believe that is a bigger issue than being sensitive to the term socialism, however you define it.

 

[edward37]

The Trump defense
Man accused of groping woman on airplane argues that Trump says it’s okay
The man “stated that the President of the United States says it’s OK to grab women by their private parts,” according to the FBI.
By Anna North Oct 23, 2018, 1:30pm EDTSHARE

President Donald Trump at a rally on October 22, 2018.
Loren Elliott/Getty Images
Call it the Trump defense.

When Bruce Michael Alexander was arrested on suspicion of groping a woman on an airplane, he reportedly told FBI agents that President Donald Trump “says it’s OK to grab women by their private parts.”

As Mary Ann Georgantopoulos notes at BuzzFeed, Alexander was presumably referring to President Trump’s boast on the Access Hollywood tape that he could grab women “by the pussy.”

This may be the first public report of someone apparently using Trump’s words as an excuse to grab a woman. But Trump has long set an example for the entire country of condoning sexual misconduct and belittling those who come forward as survivors — maybe it was only a matter of time before someone interpreted his boast as a free pass to assault women.

“You can do anything”

 

[DustyInfinity]

Civil discussion, respectful disagreement, & agreeing to disagree has been declared unacceptable by 'new era's Democrats.

Yes. And there has been more than enough of that from the Right, as well. I don't see or hear talk radio or right wing internet websites trying to tone things down. And we see that manifest every single day, right here on good ol' USMB.

This doesn't improve until both ends stop pointing the finger and start looking in the mirror. Not holding my breath.
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Again, I don't think you can equate the two sides. Trump is disagreeing with the media and political opponents, while the left is attacking voters and calling for public unrest. Again, why should Trump stop being critical of his opponents. I find it fascinating that the left views disagreement as out of bounds, and uses it as justification for its 'anything to win' mentality.

 

[bripat9643]

The Trump defense
Man accused of groping woman on airplane argues that Trump says it’s okay
The man “stated that the President of the United States says it’s OK to grab women by their private parts,” according to the FBI.
By Anna North Oct 23, 2018, 1:30pm EDTSHARE

President Donald Trump at a rally on October 22, 2018.
Loren Elliott/Getty Images
Call it the Trump defense.

When Bruce Michael Alexander was arrested on suspicion of groping a woman on an airplane, he reportedly told FBI agents that President Donald Trump “says it’s OK to grab women by their private parts.”

As Mary Ann Georgantopoulos notes at BuzzFeed, Alexander was presumably referring to President Trump’s boast on the Access Hollywood tape that he could grab women “by the pussy.”

This may be the first public report of someone apparently using Trump’s words as an excuse to grab a woman. But Trump has long set an example for the entire country of condoning sexual misconduct and belittling those who come forward as survivors — maybe it was only a matter of time before someone interpreted his boast as a free pass to assault women.

“You can do anything”

Trump never said that, dumbass.

 

[bripat9643]

Civil discussion, respectful disagreement, & agreeing to disagree has been declared unacceptable by 'new era's Democrats.

Yes. And there has been more than enough of that from the Right, as well. I don't see or hear talk radio or right wing internet websites trying to tone things down. And we see that manifest every single day, right here on good ol' USMB.

This doesn't improve until both ends stop pointing the finger and start looking in the mirror. Not holding my breath.
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Again, I don't think you can equate the two sides. Trump is disagreeing with the media and political opponents, while the left is attacking voters and calling for public unrest. Again, why should Trump stop being critical of his opponents. I find it fascinating that the left views disagreement as out of bounds, and uses it as justification for its 'anything to win' mentality.

Only Republicans aren't allowed to disagree. That's "divisive." The left, on the other hand, can call the President a traitor, and that's perfectly OK with them.

 

[Mac1958]

I've never had a person get so pissy with me for agreeing with them.

Okay, thanks.
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Hey Mac,
Just curious, in your socialism by degrees, when does the government ever say we have enough power and it is time to stop? Also, I know you hate any right leaning media, but do you believe the democrat argument than any disagreement with CNN or MSNBC is an act of violence? I guess I'm just a winger for believing it is okay to call out democrats.

Government says "we have enough power and it is time to stop" when those who have won elections - elected officials - say it. So that is entirely up to us. If the government is continuing to get too big - "socialism by degrees" - that's only because that's what the electorate wants. If the Right really wants less government, I can only say that running around screaming SOCIALISM is no longer going to work. The word no longer scares people. You'll need to do better and come up with a more thoughtful approach.

I don't "hate" anyone. But to your question, the notion that "any disagreement with CNN or MSNBC is an act of violence" would be another example of the ridiculous hyperbole that is ruining our political discourse - which includes calling any criticism "hate", by the way. By both ends. I haven't seen that said, but given where things are now, it wouldn't surprise me.

And calling out Democrats is perfectly fine. The question is how it is done. There's more than one way to do it, but since Trump and his supporters appear to think that behaving like petulant 12-year old boys is proper, and that there's just no other way to do it, that's up to them. It really is possible to say intelligent, tactical, effective things in a more dignified manner, but it's clear Trump just doesn't have that capacity.
.

That is a horrifying view of government expansion. The government can offer perks for power and expand to the nth degree. It is already happening, and this is not a thoughtful and beneficial expansion. As for being nice and dignified, why should he handle the people who have been out to destroy him at a 90% negative rate with kid gloves? Especially with all of the anonymous sources and outright lies, and the attacks on his wife and young son. Being tough with a vicious opponent in no way justifies the acts of lunacy and anything it takes to win mentality by the left and their elected officials. As many have pointed out, Trump is one of the few who dared disagree with the mainstream media, and they have been trying unsuccessfully to destroy him from the beginning.

As I said, how you approach it is up to you. If you think Trump's approach is the only way, great.

But if you're horrified, then it's up to you and the Right to effectively communicate your opinions and change minds. That's what elections are for.

My two cents: Screaming SOCIALISM, attacking people, insulting people, mocking people - probably not the best idea. That's just me.
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I know you don't like the term socialism, and there have been many threads trying to define it to people's satisfactions, but I believe it is a fair political criticism. You never offered a counter to the government being able to expand at will by offering favors for power. I believe that is a bigger issue than being sensitive to the term socialism, however you define it.

I have never offered such an argument because I'm against it as well. That's why I argue regularly for minimizing the bureaucracy's authority and influence with term limits, publicly-funded elections and a balanced budget amendment.

And, while I lean left, I'm very concerned that we're going to continue to see wild swings at the ballot box because both parties are under the control of people who appear to want to piss off as many people as possible. I don't want us to swing too far LEFT, either.

My argument is that the best and longest-lasting solutions are created through cooperation, collaboration and innovation. Much like our Constitution. But that's the exact opposite of where we are right now.
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[Mac1958]

Civil discussion, respectful disagreement, & agreeing to disagree has been declared unacceptable by 'new era's Democrats.

Yes. And there has been more than enough of that from the Right, as well. I don't see or hear talk radio or right wing internet websites trying to tone things down. And we see that manifest every single day, right here on good ol' USMB.

This doesn't improve until both ends stop pointing the finger and start looking in the mirror. Not holding my breath.
,

Again, I don't think you can equate the two sides. Trump is disagreeing with the media and political opponents, while the left is attacking voters and calling for public unrest. Again, why should Trump stop being critical of his opponents. I find it fascinating that the left views disagreement as out of bounds, and uses it as justification for its 'anything to win' mentality.

As I've said, if you think his approach is the only way, fine.
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[edward37]

Civil discussion, respectful disagreement, & agreeing to disagree has been declared unacceptable by 'new era's Democrats.

Yes. And there has been more than enough of that from the Right, as well. I don't see or hear talk radio or right wing internet websites trying to tone things down. And we see that manifest every single day, right here on good ol' USMB.

This doesn't improve until both ends stop pointing the finger and start looking in the mirror. Not holding my breath.
,

Again, I don't think you can equate the two sides. Trump is disagreeing with the media and political opponents, while the left is attacking voters and calling for public unrest. Again, why should Trump stop being critical of his opponents. I find it fascinating that the left views disagreement as out of bounds, and uses it as justification for its 'anything to win' mentality.

Only Republicans aren't allowed to disagree. That's "divisive." The left, on the other hand, can call the President a traitor, and that's perfectly OK with them.

You left out he's a crook and racist too

 

[easyt65]

Civil discussion, respectful disagreement, & agreeing to disagree has been declared unacceptable by 'new era's Democrats.

Yes. And there has been more than enough of that from the Right, as well. I don't see or hear talk radio or right wing internet websites trying to tone things down. And we see that manifest every single day, right here on good ol' USMB.

This doesn't improve until both ends stop pointing the finger and start looking in the mirror. Not holding my breath.
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So stop pointing fingers and start looking in the mirror. No one is stopping you...and your thread is NOT about doing that. It pointed the finger right at Trump.

 

[Mac1958]

Civil discussion, respectful disagreement, & agreeing to disagree has been declared unacceptable by 'new era's Democrats.

Yes. And there has been more than enough of that from the Right, as well. I don't see or hear talk radio or right wing internet websites trying to tone things down. And we see that manifest every single day, right here on good ol' USMB.

This doesn't improve until both ends stop pointing the finger and start looking in the mirror. Not holding my breath.
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So stop pointing fingers and start looking in the mirror. No one is stopping you...and your thread is NOT about doing that. It pointed the finger right at Trump.

Stop bitching about my posts. You brought it up. Put me on ignore if they traumatize you like this.


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[NightFox]

No...he's addicted. It's only gonna get worse.

Yep, it's too bad Donny doesn't drink, at least then he'd have an excuse for some of the crazy shit that comes out of his mouth.

So if you were President, should we be offended by what you just said?

I dunno, should "we"?

"we" being offended doesn't really concern me.

I’ve never heard him get bleeped on TV. Would it be better if he used proper fake patronizing language, and tried to be someone he wasn’t?

I wasn't aware that the only choices were either his infantile outbursts or "fake patronizing language".

You see right up front what you get with him. Obviously, a lot of people like that.

I don't really care what "a lot of people like", personally I'd like it if he started speaking and acting like a statesman instead of a 6th grader.

 

[easyt65]

posts. You brought it up. Put me on ignore if they traumatize you like this.

Traumatized? No, but I am pointing out that you are partisanly and hypocritically blaming Trump while, as usual, giving the violent, manipulating Democrats openly calling for violence a pass.

 

[Mac1958]

posts. You brought it up. Put me on ignore if they traumatize you like this.

Traumatized? No, but I am pointing out that you are partisanly and hypocritically blaming Trump while, as usual, giving the violent, manipulating Democrats openly calling for violence a pass.

I call out both sides regularly, and take incoming from both sides regularly. Unlike you.

Obviously all you can see is my comments about Trump. Myopia is one of the symptoms of the affliction.
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[DustyInfinity]

Says the guy who is posting in an anti-trump thread he created. Just sayin.

 

[dudmuck]

posts. You brought it up. Put me on ignore if they traumatize you like this.

Traumatized? No, but I am pointing out that you are partisanly and hypocritically blaming Trump while, as usual, giving the violent, manipulating Democrats openly calling for violence a pass.

easyt65: we may never know his motivation

 

[Mac1958]

Says the guy who is posting in an anti-trump thread he created. Just sayin.

Sometimes I criticize the Democrats and the Dems whine and say I'm a Republican.

Sometimes I criticize the GOP and the Republicans whine and say I'm a Democrat.

I'm just an independent who doesn't belong to a tribe. And I think wingers are funny.
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