Question for repubs: if abortion should be illegal, should it be illegal for a father to leave?

[JoeMoma]

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

Personally i don't think a man should be legally obligated to stay, but I also support a woman's right to choose. Everybody wins with that compromise.

I think when it comes to "personal responsibility", male RWs will pontificate about it endlessly when it serves to self-righteously shame easy targets like single mothers on welfare. It just makes them feel better about their own insecurities I guess. When it comes to issues closer to home like a father's role in the child's life, they keep their mouths shut like the hypocritical cowards that they are.

With this issue it's best for the government to stay the fuck out

The life or death of the most innocent members of society isn't a public interest?

If the answer to your question is yes, Then it should be legal for parents to "abort" their children at any prior to adulthood if they so choose.

Why?

Because there would be no public interest to do so. It would be a private matter to be settled by the family -- if the answer to your queston is yes. It's axiomatic.

 

[dpr112yme]

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

Personally i don't think a man should be legally obligated to stay, but I also support a woman's right to choose. Everybody wins with that compromise.

I think when it comes to "personal responsibility", male RWs will pontificate about it endlessly when it serves to self-righteously shame easy targets like single mothers on welfare. It just makes them feel better about their own insecurities I guess. When it comes to issues closer to home like a father's role in the child's life, they keep their mouths shut like the hypocritical cowards that they are.

You know what? I found out an interesting thing. Democrats have:

• Belief in a robust government.

• Promotion of community and social responsibility

whereas Republicans have:

• Belief in a limited government.

• Promotion of individual rights and justice.

http://us-political-parties.insidegov.com/compare/1-2/Democratic-Party-vs-Republican-Party
So from these Political Party beliefs, 'blowing his load which requires no labored effort but which leaves consequences' would be more of a 'Republican' belief and allowance rather than a 'Democratic' belief. So the notion that Republicans advocate 'self-righteousness' as a major voice for the 'collective moral-ethical ideals', is wrong. It is the Democratic Party which advocates the overall 'collective moral-ethical ideals' of what is right and what is wrong. Republicans are FOR individual rights and individual justices, including the right to have abortions and perhaps even having as many sexual flings as you desire with whomever and wherever and whenever... Individual rights and Individual Justices. Not Collective.

Judging a man by his suit and tie can prove deceitful

 

[PurpleOwl]

The state should take care of orphaned children as well as young and/or impoverished pregnant women. The superstitious laws of maintaining virginity should be abolished

"Laws of maintaining virginity"?

?????

Thats what abortion laws are all about, you dont really think the same people who want to bomb half the planet, support the death penalty, torture ,and genocide, are all worried and concerned over some dead fetus tissue do you? Don't be naive, they want laws to maintain public virginity, they dont want women having sex, not just their own daughters, but yours as well.

 

[Unkotare]

I think a better question is, why is it okay for a woman to have a child and legally abandon it at a hospital for the taxpayers to take care of, but it's not okay for a man to walk away from his responsibility of being a father?

It's apparent you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I always know what I'm talking about. I'm smart

Dale?

 

[PurpleOwl]

The state should take care of orphaned children as well as young and/or impoverished pregnant women. The superstitious laws of maintaining virginity should be abolished

Or better yet, if you're impoverished, don't procreate.

Why should only rich people have children?

why should society pay for other peoples children

what else should a society pay for, if not that? what do you need the money for? beer and whores?

You have to be brainwashed to really even question whether or not orphans and poor pregnant women, should be taken care of by society.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You're absolutely right - they should. I WILL give credit to my ex - he did pay his child support every month. He thought I was robbing him blind at $125/month per child - three of them when he was making WAY more money than I was. It just so happened that at the time I was new to world of legal secretary and working for a domestic relations attorney so I was privy to what other fathers in my ex's financial bracket were paying and my ex was getting off E-A-S-Y. The kids remember him sometimes handing me checks and asking me to hold them a few days until his paycheck was deposited ... and he'd be out of town with his sleazy 2nd wife in FL or NV or some such place. I WILL give him credit for voluntarily paying child support beyond their respective 18th birthday until their high school graduation. He divorced and remarried that wench 5 or 6 times before it was all over with for good. She married someone else and shortly after she died. He went on to marry another far worse wench who totally OWNS him. Our children now consider the first stepmother (whom they hated) a walk in the park compared to the current demon he's married.

Fast forward a few decades and my children are 49, 47 and 42 ... and their father has informed them first that he never loved them and doesn't know why ... then recently after a plea from my youngest, informed them that he loves them but will not participate in any functions of their lives, will not stay in touch with them or see them ... he loves his wife and she's good to him (which is to say she'll drink with him and is a good piece of ass). So at this point, I have three very hurt children on my hands ... one of them a near basket case.

When a woman gives birth ... she does NOT spit out a DIY manual along with the child. It's learn as you go and it's a lifetime relationship. It doesn't end on their 18th birthday. There is no such thing as a PERFECT PARENT - you do the best you can, you love them, you nurture them, them chide them, ground them, you get angry with them, you get so frustrated sometimes you call them by 3 or 4 different names before you finally get the name right ... but above all you love them ... they laugh today and still wonder who "Carol Ann" is ... and I have absolutely no idea...just a name I spat out in frustration.

I've known a few divorced couples, where each ex-partner sounded just like you. Very bitter and hateful toward the other ex, always ranting on and on about some greatly-exaggerated, if not outright fabricated, accounts of the other's alleges vices. And they wonder why they have fewer friends than they used to have. They don't get how tiresome and unpleasant it is to hear that petty behavior, or just how it makes them appear to others.

And of course, you're blaming your ex for your children's problems, probably not even giving the slightest thought to what effect your constant badmouthing of, and hatred toward their father has surely had on them. That, also, is pretty much typical of what I've seen in other broken families where this sort of behavior has prevailed.

It's truly a sad and tragic thing for children, when their parents hate each other more than they love their children.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

Personally i don't think a man should be legally obligated to stay, but I also support a woman's right to choose. Everybody wins with that compromise.

I think when it comes to "personal responsibility", male RWs will pontificate about it endlessly when it serves to self-righteously shame easy targets like single mothers on welfare. It just makes them feel better about their own insecurities I guess. When it comes to issues closer to home like a father's role in the child's life, they keep their mouths shut like the hypocritical cowards that they are.

True, conservative dogma is indeed riddled with inconsistencies and hypocrisy.

For example, conservatives incorrectly believe that the states have the ‘authority’ to compel a woman to give birth against her will, in violation of her right to privacy, while at the same time they oppose state authority to regulate firearms.

Conservatives can’t have it both ways.

 

[Unkotare]

The state should take care of orphaned children as well as young and/or impoverished pregnant women. The superstitious laws of maintaining virginity should be abolished

"Laws of maintaining virginity"?

?????

Thats what abortion laws are all about, you dont really think the same people who want to bomb half the planet, support the death penalty, torture ,and genocide, are all worried and concerned over some dead fetus tissue do you? Don't be naive, they want laws to maintain public virginity, they dont want women having sex, not just their own daughters, but yours as well.

You need to seek professional help, or at least go sleep it off.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

Personally i don't think a man should be legally obligated to stay, but I also support a woman's right to choose. Everybody wins with that compromise.

I think when it comes to "personal responsibility", male RWs will pontificate about it endlessly when it serves to self-righteously shame easy targets like single mothers on welfare. It just makes them feel better about their own insecurities I guess. When it comes to issues closer to home like a father's role in the child's life, they keep their mouths shut like the hypocritical cowards that they are.

You know what? I found out an interesting thing. Democrats have:

• Belief in a robust government.

• Promotion of community and social responsibility

whereas Republicans have:

• Belief in a limited government.

• Promotion of individual rights and justice.

http://us-political-parties.insidegov.com/compare/1-2/Democratic-Party-vs-Republican-Party
So from these Political Party beliefs, 'blowing his load which requires no labored effort but which leaves consequences' would be more of a 'Republican' belief and allowance rather than a 'Democratic' belief. So the notion that Republicans advocate 'self-righteousness' as a major voice for the 'collective moral-ethical ideals', is wrong. It is the Democratic Party which advocates the overall 'collective moral-ethical ideals' of what is right and what is wrong. Republicans are FOR individual rights and individual justices, including the right to have abortions and perhaps even having as many sexual flings as you desire with whomever and wherever and whenever... Individual rights and Individual Justices. Not Collective.

Judging a man by his suit and tie can prove deceitful

Nonsense.

Conservatives and Republicans exhibit nothing but contempt for ‘limited government’ – they seek to increase the size and authority of government at the expense of individual liberty, hostile to individual rights and justice:

Conservatives advocate compelling women to give birth against their will through force of law in violation of the right to privacy.

Conservatives wish to deny gay and transgender Americans their right to due process and equal protection of the law.

Republicans enact un-Constitutional measures intended to place an undue burden on citizens’ right to vote.

And these are but a few examples of conservatives and Republicans pursuing bigger, more intrusive government an effort to control Americans’ lives and compel conformity.

 

[Unkotare]

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

Personally i don't think a man should be legally obligated to stay, but I also support a woman's right to choose. Everybody wins with that compromise.

I think when it comes to "personal responsibility", male RWs will pontificate about it endlessly when it serves to self-righteously shame easy targets like single mothers on welfare. It just makes them feel better about their own insecurities I guess. When it comes to issues closer to home like a father's role in the child's life, they keep their mouths shut like the hypocritical cowards that they are.

With this issue it's best for the government to stay the fuck out

The life or death of the most innocent members of society isn't a public interest?

If the answer to your question is yes, Then it should be legal for parents to "abort" their children at any prior to adulthood if they so choose.

Why?

Because there would be no public interest to do so. It would be a private matter to be settled by the family -- if the answer to your queston is yes. It's axiomatic.

You're making no sense.

 

[Slyhunter]

I think a better question is, why is it okay for a woman to have a child and legally abandon it at a hospital for the taxpayers to take care of, but it's not okay for a man to walk away from his responsibility of being a father?

Because as usual you focus on the woman and not the child. This same logic applies to why single, poor mothers need SNAP. There must be support for the dependent child - it isn't about what the woman gets out of it. If a woman can't take care of a child, she shouldn't be punished simply because it would deincentivize her from giving the child up she can't take care of

What if the man can't support the child why can't he walk away from the responsibility just like the Woman can?

 

[OKTexas]

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

Personally i don't think a man should be legally obligated to stay, but I also support a woman's right to choose. Everybody wins with that compromise.

I think when it comes to "personal responsibility", male RWs will pontificate about it endlessly when it serves to self-righteously shame easy targets like single mothers on welfare. It just makes them feel better about their own insecurities I guess. When it comes to issues closer to home like a father's role in the child's life, they keep their mouths shut like the hypocritical cowards that they are.

That's no compromise, the 14th Amendment requires equal treatment under the law. If the woman has a right to terminate her parental responsibilities, the man should have the same right.

 

[Billy000]

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

Personally i don't think a man should be legally obligated to stay, but I also support a woman's right to choose. Everybody wins with that compromise.

I think when it comes to "personal responsibility", male RWs will pontificate about it endlessly when it serves to self-righteously shame easy targets like single mothers on welfare. It just makes them feel better about their own insecurities I guess. When it comes to issues closer to home like a father's role in the child's life, they keep their mouths shut like the hypocritical cowards that they are.

You know what? I found out an interesting thing. Democrats have:

• Belief in a robust government.

• Promotion of community and social responsibility

whereas Republicans have:

• Belief in a limited government.

• Promotion of individual rights and justice.

http://us-political-parties.insidegov.com/compare/1-2/Democratic-Party-vs-Republican-Party
So from these Political Party beliefs, 'blowing his load which requires no labored effort but which leaves consequences' would be more of a 'Republican' belief and allowance rather than a 'Democratic' belief. So the notion that Republicans advocate 'self-righteousness' as a major voice for the 'collective moral-ethical ideals', is wrong. It is the Democratic Party which advocates the overall 'collective moral-ethical ideals' of what is right and what is wrong. Republicans are FOR individual rights and individual justices, including the right to have abortions and perhaps even having as many sexual flings as you desire with whomever and wherever and whenever... Individual rights and Individual Justices. Not Collective.

Judging a man by his suit and tie can prove deceitful

The term "self-righteous" is an undesirable trait. It refers to a person finding fault in everyone else but thinking he or she is superior in comparison.

 

[Billy000]

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

Personally i don't think a man should be legally obligated to stay, but I also support a woman's right to choose. Everybody wins with that compromise.

I think when it comes to "personal responsibility", male RWs will pontificate about it endlessly when it serves to self-righteously shame easy targets like single mothers on welfare. It just makes them feel better about their own insecurities I guess. When it comes to issues closer to home like a father's role in the child's life, they keep their mouths shut like the hypocritical cowards that they are.

That's no compromise, the 14th Amendment requires equal treatment under the law. If the woman has a right to terminate her parental responsibilities, the man should have the same right.

As long as abortion is legal, you and I agree.

 

[Billy000]

I think a better question is, why is it okay for a woman to have a child and legally abandon it at a hospital for the taxpayers to take care of, but it's not okay for a man to walk away from his responsibility of being a father?

Because as usual you focus on the woman and not the child. This same logic applies to why single, poor mothers need SNAP. There must be support for the dependent child - it isn't about what the woman gets out of it. If a woman can't take care of a child, she shouldn't be punished simply because it would deincentivize her from giving the child up she can't take care of

What if the man can't support the child why can't he walk away from the responsibility just like the Woman can?

I think you make a fair point, but what I am emphasizing is the well being of a child. There shouldn't be a punishment for women to give up their child simply because it would deincentivizs the woman from giving up a child she can't take care of. Her rights are besides the point.

 

[bripat9643]

I think a better question is, why is it okay for a woman to have a child and legally abandon it at a hospital for the taxpayers to take care of, but it's not okay for a man to walk away from his responsibility of being a father?

Because as usual you focus on the woman and not the child. This same logic applies to why single, poor mothers need SNAP. There must be support for the dependent child - it isn't about what the woman gets out of it. If a woman can't take care of a child, she shouldn't be punished simply because it would deincentivize her from giving the child up she can't take care of

As usual, you fail to focus on who's responsible. The person who makes the decision is the one who's responsible. "Choice" means making a decision. In other words, the woman is responsible.

 

[OKTexas]

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

Personally i don't think a man should be legally obligated to stay, but I also support a woman's right to choose. Everybody wins with that compromise.

I think when it comes to "personal responsibility", male RWs will pontificate about it endlessly when it serves to self-righteously shame easy targets like single mothers on welfare. It just makes them feel better about their own insecurities I guess. When it comes to issues closer to home like a father's role in the child's life, they keep their mouths shut like the hypocritical cowards that they are.

That's no compromise, the 14th Amendment requires equal treatment under the law. If the woman has a right to terminate her parental responsibilities, the man should have the same right.

As long as abortion is legal, you and I agree.

Funny, not what you said in the OP.

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

 

[Billy000]

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

Personally i don't think a man should be legally obligated to stay, but I also support a woman's right to choose. Everybody wins with that compromise.

I think when it comes to "personal responsibility", male RWs will pontificate about it endlessly when it serves to self-righteously shame easy targets like single mothers on welfare. It just makes them feel better about their own insecurities I guess. When it comes to issues closer to home like a father's role in the child's life, they keep their mouths shut like the hypocritical cowards that they are.

That's no compromise, the 14th Amendment requires equal treatment under the law. If the woman has a right to terminate her parental responsibilities, the man should have the same right.

As long as abortion is legal, you and I agree.

Funny, not what you said in the OP.

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

So you're just ignoring the sentence when I said I don't believe a man should be legally obligated to stay so long as abortion is legal?

The point I was making in your bolded example is that conservatives shame abortion but don't at all acknowledge the problem of a mother raising a child on her own if the father cuts and runs. They don't at all shame a man for doing this. It's just easier for them to berate a single mother on SNAP.

 

[OKTexas]

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

Personally i don't think a man should be legally obligated to stay, but I also support a woman's right to choose. Everybody wins with that compromise.

I think when it comes to "personal responsibility", male RWs will pontificate about it endlessly when it serves to self-righteously shame easy targets like single mothers on welfare. It just makes them feel better about their own insecurities I guess. When it comes to issues closer to home like a father's role in the child's life, they keep their mouths shut like the hypocritical cowards that they are.

That's no compromise, the 14th Amendment requires equal treatment under the law. If the woman has a right to terminate her parental responsibilities, the man should have the same right.

As long as abortion is legal, you and I agree.

Funny, not what you said in the OP.

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

So you're just ignoring the sentence when I said I don't believe a man should be legally obligated to stay so long as abortion is legal?

The point I was making in your bolded example is that conservatives shame abortion but don't at all acknowledge the problem of a mother raising a child on her own if the father cuts and runs. They don't at all shame a man for doing this. It's just easier for them to berate a single mother on SNAP.

Well that's just a lie, we've been talking about regressive policies destroying the family and about absentee fathers. You're just not listening.

 

[ninja007]

I know a man blowing his load requires no labored effort, but surely men must realize the consequences of such an action if a woman ends up pregnant and keeps the baby. If conservatives cared about personal responsibility, they would address this.

Personally i don't think a man should be legally obligated to stay, but I also support a woman's right to choose. Everybody wins with that compromise.

I think when it comes to "personal responsibility", male RWs will pontificate about it endlessly when it serves to self-righteously shame easy targets like single mothers on welfare. It just makes them feel better about their own insecurities I guess. When it comes to issues closer to home like a father's role in the child's life, they keep their mouths shut like the hypocritical cowards that they are.

libs dont want the father around- thats the point.