REPUBLICANS: Why wasn't the wall taken care of in Trump's first two years?

[Faun]

Because the Republicans needed 60 votes in the Senate to pass thanks to Dems filibusters if there was any wall funding.

So? They still do. Why wasn’t this a national emergency 2 years ago?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Everyone should want the govt reopened.

Why? What substantial negative effects are the majority of Americans feeling from this "shutdown"?

Why do you believe the president's opposition party should be held responsible for passing the president's promised legislation that his own party doesn't even support?

I never said I believed that, what I'm telling you that you're not understanding is that for Trump to risk losing his base by prematurely caving in based on a promise to "continue negotiating" with an opposition party that has publicly made it clear that they loathe him and everything he stands for is completely unrealistic from a political standpoint.

If you were him, would you do that?

LOL
If you believe the shutdown is on the Dems or they're otherwise responsible for resolving this than that is exactly what you are saying.

ROFLMAO! Are you on an acid trip or do you just have a reading disorder? Where did I say that I believed that "the shutdown is on the Dems or that they're otherwise responsible for resolving this"?

If you're going to try to deflect from your ridiculously naïve assertion regarding what "seems reasonable" then you're going to have to try harder than to just try to put words in my mouth.

Great. So we agree this is Trump's debacle.

No we don't agree because the BLAME was never the question.

Your foolish assertion that a proposal by the Democrats that is tantamount to "We'll agree to allow you to commit political suicide" falls anywhere near REASONABLE was the point of contention.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

Everyone should want the govt reopened.

Why? What substantial negative effects are the majority of Americans feeling from this "shutdown"?

Why do you believe the president's opposition party should be held responsible for passing the president's promised legislation that his own party doesn't even support?

I never said I believed that, what I'm telling you that you're not understanding is that for Trump to risk losing his base by prematurely caving in based on a promise to "continue negotiating" with an opposition party that has publicly made it clear that they loathe him and everything he stands for is completely unrealistic from a political standpoint.

If you were him, would you do that?

LOL
If you believe the shutdown is on the Dems or they're otherwise responsible for resolving this than that is exactly what you are saying.

ROFLMAO! Are you on an acid trip or do you just have a reading disorder? Where did I say that I believed that "the shutdown is on the Dems or that they're otherwise responsible for resolving this"?

If you're going to try to deflect from your ridiculously naïve assertion regarding what "seems reasonable" then you're going to have to try harder than to just try to put words in my mouth.

Great. So we agree this is Trump's debacle.

No we don't agree because the BLAME was never the question.

Your foolish assertion that a proposal by the Democrats that is tantamount to "We'll agree to allow you to commit political suicide" falls anywhere near REASONABLE was the point of contention.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

So yes, we do agree then?

The Dems are neither responsible for putting him in or getting him out of that position.

 

[WillPower]

Because the Republicans needed 60 votes in the Senate to pass thanks to Dems filibusters if there was any wall funding.

If he couldn't get it done for two years with the GOP in control of both chambers, this seems like a pretty bizarre gambit.
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Horseshit OP....tired old crap we've been over a thousand times.

 

[dblack]

This all seems pretty silly. If this is a "national emergency", why is Trump willing to shut down the government NOW, all of a sudden, when the GOP's strength has decreased so much?

It was his biggest promise. And he waits until the Democrats have the House?


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The same reason they didn't repeal ACA. There's no consensus - even among Republicans - on these issues.

 

[Faun]

The president failed to get broad support for his plan. Even from his own party. That is his failing. It's not the job of Congress,( a co-equal branch of govt), to give a president everything they want.

The President has made multiple counter offers as part of negotiations with the Democrats standing with violent illegals / criminals, and Pelosi has reportedly stated she / they will give the President NOTHING - no 'win' - out of pure hatred and political partisanship / political gain.

Snowflakes like you have LIED by declaring the President is holding the US hostage, but he is the only one working to try to negotiate a deal in the best interest of the American people to get a deal done and the govt back pen. Pelosi, Schumer, and the Democrats, are instead refusing to give the President and American people anything and are instead attempting to ram their desire to open back up the govt while continuing to do nothing to ensure our sovereignty, secure our borders, and Protect Americans.

THEY are holding Americans hostage!

They've offered to continue negotiations with the govt reopened. Seems reasonable.

If you believe the DEMs would
"negotiate" after Trump reopened the government without wall funding you are fucking delusional!
Nancy has already declared under NO circumstance will the DEMs agree to fund the wall.
You can't get much clearer than that.

Great, she is looking out for the will of the American people. Someone has to.

 

[NightFox]

Why? What substantial negative effects are the majority of Americans feeling from this "shutdown"?

I never said I believed that, what I'm telling you that you're not understanding is that for Trump to risk losing his base by prematurely caving in based on a promise to "continue negotiating" with an opposition party that has publicly made it clear that they loathe him and everything he stands for is completely unrealistic from a political standpoint.

If you were him, would you do that?

LOL
If you believe the shutdown is on the Dems or they're otherwise responsible for resolving this than that is exactly what you are saying.

ROFLMAO! Are you on an acid trip or do you just have a reading disorder? Where did I say that I believed that "the shutdown is on the Dems or that they're otherwise responsible for resolving this"?

If you're going to try to deflect from your ridiculously naïve assertion regarding what "seems reasonable" then you're going to have to try harder than to just try to put words in my mouth.

Great. So we agree this is Trump's debacle.

No we don't agree because the BLAME was never the question.

Your foolish assertion that a proposal by the Democrats that is tantamount to "We'll agree to allow you to commit political suicide" falls anywhere near REASONABLE was the point of contention.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

Why? What substantial negative effects are the majority of Americans feeling from this "shutdown"?

I never said I believed that, what I'm telling you that you're not understanding is that for Trump to risk losing his base by prematurely caving in based on a promise to "continue negotiating" with an opposition party that has publicly made it clear that they loathe him and everything he stands for is completely unrealistic from a political standpoint.

If you were him, would you do that?

LOL
If you believe the shutdown is on the Dems or they're otherwise responsible for resolving this than that is exactly what you are saying.

ROFLMAO! Are you on an acid trip or do you just have a reading disorder? Where did I say that I believed that "the shutdown is on the Dems or that they're otherwise responsible for resolving this"?

If you're going to try to deflect from your ridiculously naïve assertion regarding what "seems reasonable" then you're going to have to try harder than to just try to put words in my mouth.

Great. So we agree this is Trump's debacle.

No we don't agree because the BLAME was never the question.

Your foolish assertion that a proposal by the Democrats that is tantamount to "We'll agree to allow you to commit political suicide" falls anywhere near REASONABLE was the point of contention.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

So yes, we do agree then?

The Dems are neither responsible for putting him in or getting him out of that position.

Unfortunately your attempts to deflect away from the original point of contention are no less transparent now than they were several posts ago, one might suggest that acknowledging your mistake before attempting to solicit agreement on a completely separate point might be a more effective strategy.

Unless of course your objective is to demonstrate your competence as one among the legions of partisan parrots that think they can "win" by changing the subject, in which case, congratulations! you're succeeding.

 

[Mac1958]

Horseshit OP....tired old crap we've been over a thousand times.

Lemmee guess:

It's all the RINOs' and Dems' fault, right?
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[Hutch Starskey]

LOL
If you believe the shutdown is on the Dems or they're otherwise responsible for resolving this than that is exactly what you are saying.

ROFLMAO! Are you on an acid trip or do you just have a reading disorder? Where did I say that I believed that "the shutdown is on the Dems or that they're otherwise responsible for resolving this"?

If you're going to try to deflect from your ridiculously naïve assertion regarding what "seems reasonable" then you're going to have to try harder than to just try to put words in my mouth.

Great. So we agree this is Trump's debacle.

No we don't agree because the BLAME was never the question.

Your foolish assertion that a proposal by the Democrats that is tantamount to "We'll agree to allow you to commit political suicide" falls anywhere near REASONABLE was the point of contention.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

LOL
If you believe the shutdown is on the Dems or they're otherwise responsible for resolving this than that is exactly what you are saying.

ROFLMAO! Are you on an acid trip or do you just have a reading disorder? Where did I say that I believed that "the shutdown is on the Dems or that they're otherwise responsible for resolving this"?

If you're going to try to deflect from your ridiculously naïve assertion regarding what "seems reasonable" then you're going to have to try harder than to just try to put words in my mouth.

Great. So we agree this is Trump's debacle.

No we don't agree because the BLAME was never the question.

Your foolish assertion that a proposal by the Democrats that is tantamount to "We'll agree to allow you to commit political suicide" falls anywhere near REASONABLE was the point of contention.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

So yes, we do agree then?

The Dems are neither responsible for putting him in or getting him out of that position.

Unfortunately your attempts to deflect away from the original point of contention are no less transparent now than they were several posts ago, one might suggest that acknowledging your mistake before attempting to solicit agreement on a completely separate point might be a more effective strategy.

Unless of course your objective is to demonstrate your competence as one among the legions of partisan parrots that think they can "win" by changing the subject, in which case, congratulations! you're succeeding.

So we don't agree then?

 

[NightFox]

ROFLMAO! Are you on an acid trip or do you just have a reading disorder? Where did I say that I believed that "the shutdown is on the Dems or that they're otherwise responsible for resolving this"?

If you're going to try to deflect from your ridiculously naïve assertion regarding what "seems reasonable" then you're going to have to try harder than to just try to put words in my mouth.

Great. So we agree this is Trump's debacle.

No we don't agree because the BLAME was never the question.

Your foolish assertion that a proposal by the Democrats that is tantamount to "We'll agree to allow you to commit political suicide" falls anywhere near REASONABLE was the point of contention.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

ROFLMAO! Are you on an acid trip or do you just have a reading disorder? Where did I say that I believed that "the shutdown is on the Dems or that they're otherwise responsible for resolving this"?

If you're going to try to deflect from your ridiculously naïve assertion regarding what "seems reasonable" then you're going to have to try harder than to just try to put words in my mouth.

Great. So we agree this is Trump's debacle.

No we don't agree because the BLAME was never the question.

Your foolish assertion that a proposal by the Democrats that is tantamount to "We'll agree to allow you to commit political suicide" falls anywhere near REASONABLE was the point of contention.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

So yes, we do agree then?

The Dems are neither responsible for putting him in or getting him out of that position.

Unfortunately your attempts to deflect away from the original point of contention are no less transparent now than they were several posts ago, one might suggest that acknowledging your mistake before attempting to solicit agreement on a completely separate point might be a more effective strategy.

Unless of course your objective is to demonstrate your competence as one among the legions of partisan parrots that think they can "win" by changing the subject, in which case, congratulations! you're succeeding.

So we don't agree then?

The seems to be about the sum of it.

It's just one of those unfortunate situations on the Internet where one party is intellectually honest and one is not, happens all the time, the cause remains a mystery.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Great. So we agree this is Trump's debacle.

No we don't agree because the BLAME was never the question.

Your foolish assertion that a proposal by the Democrats that is tantamount to "We'll agree to allow you to commit political suicide" falls anywhere near REASONABLE was the point of contention.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

Great. So we agree this is Trump's debacle.

No we don't agree because the BLAME was never the question.

Your foolish assertion that a proposal by the Democrats that is tantamount to "We'll agree to allow you to commit political suicide" falls anywhere near REASONABLE was the point of contention.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

So yes, we do agree then?

The Dems are neither responsible for putting him in or getting him out of that position.

Unfortunately your attempts to deflect away from the original point of contention are no less transparent now than they were several posts ago, one might suggest that acknowledging your mistake before attempting to solicit agreement on a completely separate point might be a more effective strategy.

Unless of course your objective is to demonstrate your competence as one among the legions of partisan parrots that think they can "win" by changing the subject, in which case, congratulations! you're succeeding.

So we don't agree then?

The seems to be about the sum of it.

It's just one of those unfortunate situations on the Internet where one party is intellectually honest and one is not, happens all the time, the cause remains a mystery.

I quoted you agreeing with me.

 

[debbiedowner]

This all seems pretty silly. If this is a "national emergency", why is Trump willing to shut down the government NOW, all of a sudden, when the GOP's strength has decreased so much?

It was his biggest promise. And he waits until the Democrats have the House?


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Nothing but a campaign ploy then and this is trumps way of kicking off his 2020 campaign. He and the repubs in congress could really care less if a wall/fence are built.

 

[Mac1958]

Nothing but a campaign ploy then and this is trumps way of kicking off his 2020 campaign. He and the repubs in congress could really care less if a wall/fence are built.

That's an important distinction - Trump & Congress vs. the base, which has completely bought into this as if it were real.
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[debbiedowner]

Nothing but a campaign ploy then and this is trumps way of kicking off his 2020 campaign. He and the repubs in congress could really care less if a wall/fence are built.

That's an important distinction - Trump & Congress vs. the base, which has completely bought into this as if it were real.
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It's just a game to D.C. but driving his base bonkers.

 

[Thinker101]

Remember When Chuck Schumer And These Top Democrats Voted To Build A Border Wall...In 2006?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Remember When Chuck Schumer And These Top Democrats Voted To Build A Border Wall...In 2006?

And 2013. What hapened to both of those Senate bills?

So the Dems aren't for open borders then?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This all seems pretty silly. If this is a "national emergency", why is Trump willing to shut down the government NOW, all of a sudden, when the GOP's strength has decreased so much?

It was his biggest promise. And he waits until the Democrats have the House?


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Paul Ryan was a scumbag. Where is he now?

 

[Theowl32]

Glad this thread is not about how walls don't work.

Not even a double talking gasbag like Mac is not trying to debate that.

They do. Everywhere they are tried.

Hey Mac, tell your little liberal MONKEYS (that's right....MONKEYS) that the Berlin wall was built to keep IN.

Anyway, the wall was always a long shot. I knew this. Hence, the reason i said back when Trump defeated your kuuunt in a pants suit, that getting a wall passed will be very difficult. Mainly due to the fact that Washington DC only consists of scumbag globalists who want America to be a part of the globalist one world government community. The organized border INVASIONS in Europe AND the US are sure fire ways to achieve this goal.

You too stupid to see it? Apparently you are. Tell us again how the rewriting of the Community Reinvestment Act did not put pressure on banks to lend to low income families. That was funny. Did you educate your little pets about ZIRP?

Hey Mac, want to discuss the vast number of broken promises by the saul alinsky globalist marxist negro you voted for?

Hey Mac, you are a banker or investor, and a socialist?

No wonder you are so fucking weird.

 

[deanrd]

Because the Republicans needed 60 votes in the Senate to pass thanks to Dems filibusters if there was any wall funding.

Yea, just like they needed 60 votes for Kavanaugh?

Don't bullsh!t us. We know better.

 

[deanrd]

You can get Mexico to pay for the wall. It just depends on the wall:

 

[Mac1958]

Anyway, the wall was always a long shot. I knew this.

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