Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan

[PoliticalChic]

"Eastern Europe was not FDRs to give.....Stalin had already taken it."


Liar.


"Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Bessarabia, the eastern half of Poland, Czecho-Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Germany – FDR conceded all to Communist régimes or Soviet protection!

What is most weird and most disturbing about Roosevelt’s obdurate fatalism is that the entire Red Army at this time was still inside the USSR."
West, "American Betrayal," p.266



Get that? Roosevelt had planned to hand millions of human beings to communist oppression before the Soviets had even entered those nations!!

We were in no position to dislodge them

We got the West...they got the east

They paid much, much more for their piece and we got the better part

Your post is false in every single element.

Name a single one...without tedious cut and paste

Ripping one as ignorant as you are is the proverbial 'fish in a barrel.'

As with Prague,Patton’s request to secure Berlin was denied.Sadly, after Patton finally reached the ravaged city, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945,” for the first week after they took it (Berlin),all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped.
I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”


a. "Hell, why do we care what those goddamn Russians think?We are going to have to fight them sooner or later,within the next generation. Why not do it now while our Army is intact and the damn Russians can have their hind end kicked back to Russia in three months? We can do it easily with the help of the German troops we have, if we just arm them and take them with us. They hate the bastards.[92]

These actions were all Eisenhower could handle; he could not cover this one up and had no choice but to relieve Patton of his command. Patton was personally hurt by the loss."
Military History Online


Patton was correct.
Roosevelt not.

Roosevelt had reasons for behavior....his affection for 'Uncle Joe.'



You, on the other hand, have no ability to reason....simply to follow orders.

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

The rightwing fantasy of Patton seizing most of Europe is just that...fantasy
The political realities were that the USSR fought and died for most of Eastern Europe while we were waiting three years to invade Normandy. We were spared tens of thousands of casualties because the Soviets were engaging the top Nazi divisions.

From you:
"Patton was a moron."


From the NYTimes:
"Gen. George Smith Patton Jr. was one of the most brilliant soldiers in American history. Audacious, unorthodox and inspiring, he led his troops to great victories in North Africa, Sicily and on the Western Front. Nazi generals admitted that of all American field commanders he was the one they most feared. To Americans he was a worthy successor of such hardbitten cavalrymen as Philip Sheridan, J. E. B. Stuart and Nathan Bedford Forrest."
Patton's Career A Brilliant One



And so we see one more in a long line of posts where your inability comes to bite you in your thinking apparatus.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Eastern Europe was not FDRs to give.....Stalin had already taken it."


Liar.


"Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Bessarabia, the eastern half of Poland, Czecho-Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Germany – FDR conceded all to Communist régimes or Soviet protection!

What is most weird and most disturbing about Roosevelt’s obdurate fatalism is that the entire Red Army at this time was still inside the USSR."
West, "American Betrayal," p.266



Get that? Roosevelt had planned to hand millions of human beings to communist oppression before the Soviets had even entered those nations!!

We were in no position to dislodge them

We got the West...they got the east

They paid much, much more for their piece and we got the better part

Your post is false in every single element.

Name a single one...without tedious cut and paste

They didn't pay a price to get the east.

They paid the price defending their homeland.

With the Germans beaten and the Allied forces closing in on the West, the Russians had a pretty easy time getting to Berlin.

They then just decided to stay.

If they had not had their eyes on Eastern Europe, they would have still paid a heavy price in blood.

Your false associations only support the general assertion on the board that you are nothing but a hack far left brownshirt propaganda spreader.

The Soviets paid a horrific price ...20 million dead
When you are invaded and driven almost to the breaking point and fight to save yourself...you come out with one goal...NEVER AGAIN

Never again meant the Soviets would build a security buffer and ensure that no miltary force could get as close to their border. FDR was in no position to convince them otherwise

The 20 million...and more....were killed by the Soviet homicidal maniacs whose control of Russia was made possible through the tireless efforts of one Franklin Roosevelt, your lord and master.

Trying to educate you is like trying to grip smoke.

 

[rightwinger]

We were in no position to dislodge them

We got the West...they got the east

They paid much, much more for their piece and we got the better part

Your post is false in every single element.

Name a single one...without tedious cut and paste

Ripping one as ignorant as you are is the proverbial 'fish in a barrel.'

As with Prague,Patton’s request to secure Berlin was denied.Sadly, after Patton finally reached the ravaged city, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945,” for the first week after they took it (Berlin),all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped.
I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”


a. "Hell, why do we care what those goddamn Russians think?We are going to have to fight them sooner or later,within the next generation. Why not do it now while our Army is intact and the damn Russians can have their hind end kicked back to Russia in three months? We can do it easily with the help of the German troops we have, if we just arm them and take them with us. They hate the bastards.[92]

These actions were all Eisenhower could handle; he could not cover this one up and had no choice but to relieve Patton of his command. Patton was personally hurt by the loss."
Military History Online


Patton was correct.
Roosevelt not.

Roosevelt had reasons for behavior....his affection for 'Uncle Joe.'



You, on the other hand, have no ability to reason....simply to follow orders.

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

The rightwing fantasy of Patton seizing most of Europe is just that...fantasy
The political realities were that the USSR fought and died for most of Eastern Europe while we were waiting three years to invade Normandy. We were spared tens of thousands of casualties because the Soviets were engaging the top Nazi divisions.

From you:
"Patton was a moron."


From the NYTimes:
"Gen. George Smith Patton Jr. was one of the most brilliant soldiers in American history. Audacious, unorthodox and inspiring, he led his troops to great victories in North Africa, Sicily and on the Western Front. Nazi generals admitted that of all American field commanders he was the one they most feared. To Americans he was a worthy successor of such hardbitten cavalrymen as Philip Sheridan, J. E. B. Stuart and Nathan Bedford Forrest."
Patton's Career A Brilliant One



And so we see one more in a long line of posts where your inability comes to bite you in your thinking apparatus.

Someone as adept at the art of cut and paste should understand about cutting the entire quote...

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

Patton shooting his mouth off about global political conditions he did not understand prevented him from getting promoted into positions of responsibility. Good thing we had Generals like Marshall and Ike who did understand

 

[rightwinger]

We were in no position to dislodge them

We got the West...they got the east

They paid much, much more for their piece and we got the better part

Your post is false in every single element.

Name a single one...without tedious cut and paste

They didn't pay a price to get the east.

They paid the price defending their homeland.

With the Germans beaten and the Allied forces closing in on the West, the Russians had a pretty easy time getting to Berlin.

They then just decided to stay.

If they had not had their eyes on Eastern Europe, they would have still paid a heavy price in blood.

Your false associations only support the general assertion on the board that you are nothing but a hack far left brownshirt propaganda spreader.

The Soviets paid a horrific price ...20 million dead
When you are invaded and driven almost to the breaking point and fight to save yourself...you come out with one goal...NEVER AGAIN

Never again meant the Soviets would build a security buffer and ensure that no miltary force could get as close to their border. FDR was in no position to convince them otherwise

The 20 million...and more....were killed by the Soviet homicidal maniacs whose control of Russia was made possible through the tireless efforts of one Franklin Roosevelt, your lord and master.

Trying to educate you is like trying to grip smoke.

I'll just chalk that one up to more trolling on your part
I'm not going to take the bait

 

[Syriusly]

And now for the education that government schooling skipped.

Franklin Roosevelt rejected the Constitution, accepted communism and revered the collective...the true American President, Ronald Reagan, venerated the Constitution, stood for the individual and despised Communism.


1. It was under Franklin Roosevelt that America underwent a sea change, ending the guidance of the Founders, the Constitution, and the emphasis on capitalism in favor of socialism.
It behooves those who wish to understand what happened to analyze what happened....and why.




What Did He Know, and When Did He Know It?

It was through Franklin Roosevelt's tireless efforts that communism found a home in the United States. They don't teach that in government school.
Did FDR know he was providing a red carpet for communism, pun intended, or was he ignorant of the malevolence he was endorsing?



3.Just the other day, I watched journalists asking a Republican presidential contender specific and detailed questions about geo-politics...trying to see what he knew, and how good he would be at applying same to predicting future situations.
Apply same to FDR: was Roosevelt aware of the homicidal pathology of communism, and if so, shouldn't he have put off recognition of the Soviet empire until he perceived a change in those policies?


Let's see FDR's geopolitical education:
Here is his timeline of political education..

Nov 8, 1910 Franklin Roosevelt is elected to the New York State Senate.

In 1913, Franklin Roosevelt was appointed Assistant Secretary of the Navy under President Woodrow Wilson.

1920 Franklin Roosevelt ran as the Democratic candidate for Vice-President, alongside James M. Cox. The ticket is defeated by Republicans Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge.

Nov 6, 1928 Franklin Roosevelt is elected governor of New York.

Following the very last brokered election that produced a winning candidate, Nov 8, 1932 Franklin Roosevelt defeated Herbert Hoover to become the 32nd President of the United States, receiving 57.4% of the popular vote.

On November 16, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt ended almost 16 years of American non-recognition of the Soviet Union following a series of negotiations in Washington, D.C. with the Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Maxim Litvinov.



So....here was a professional politician who spent a quarter century learning his craft, before he embraced the Soviet Union in what any astute observer of the world scene knew was a fraudulent agreement.

He had that quarter century to consider, refine, and make judgments about the world, about right and wrong, good and evil.....
It was his considered opinion that all previous Presidents and Secretaries of State were wrong in refusing to embrace the blood-drenched Bolsheviks.


What Did He Know, and When Did He Know It?

Was FDR the first to recognize the USSR or had other nations such as Britain, Italy, Germany and others recognized the USSR much earlier? Was America late in its recognition?

"Was FDR the first to recognize the USSR or had other nations..."


1. . FDR came into office March 4th of 1933. On November 16, 1933, President Roosevelt rushed to embrace....recognize...the USSR. If this act, based on FDR's additional pro-Soviet endeavors, was rational....then these folks must have been irrational:
.

Note once again- you refuse to actually respond to a question. FDR recognized the Soviet Union- just as Nixon would later recognize Communist China.

Both recognized political realities.

In 1945, under FDR's leadership- the United States had the most powerful economy- and the most powerful military in the world- all achieved during FDR's presidency.

Clearly that offends Politicalchic and his fanboys.

 

[Syriusly]

I have asked PC a few times to get her information to the historians that rate the presidents. Starting in 1948 the historians began rating the presidents, and have never rated FDR below third best American president.
Perhaps PC did get her priceless information to the historians because the historians changed their ratings of FDR from third best president, to America's greatest president.

Falling back yet again on logical fallacy, as expected.

Which fallacy do you claim?

Appeal to authority, for one.

That doesn't wash, the authority are a number of Ph.D historians, real authorities, unlike the iconoclasts PC offers for her evidence who are out to make a buck.

In a firmament of outrageously stupid, inane, false posts that you have provided....this one may be the queen of all.


This:
"....the iconoclasts PC offers for her evidence who are out to make a buck."


Almost every university, publishing house, media outlet is a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberalism, Inc.

Yet you claim that providing facts not in accordance with the Liberal view is how one 'makes a buck.'

What a moron you are.
But, you must tire of everyone telling you that.

There is no 'there' in your post.

 

[Syriusly]

We were in no position to dislodge them

We got the West...they got the east

They paid much, much more for their piece and we got the better part

Your post is false in every single element.

Name a single one...without tedious cut and paste

They didn't pay a price to get the east.

They paid the price defending their homeland.

With the Germans beaten and the Allied forces closing in on the West, the Russians had a pretty easy time getting to Berlin.

They then just decided to stay.

If they had not had their eyes on Eastern Europe, they would have still paid a heavy price in blood.

Your false associations only support the general assertion on the board that you are nothing but a hack far left brownshirt propaganda spreader.

The Soviets paid a horrific price ...20 million dead
When you are invaded and driven almost to the breaking point and fight to save yourself...you come out with one goal...NEVER AGAIN

Never again meant the Soviets would build a security buffer and ensure that no miltary force could get as close to their border. FDR was in no position to convince them otherwise

The 20 million...and more....were killed by the Soviet homicidal maniacs whose control of Russia was made possible through the tireless efforts of one Franklin Roosevelt, your lord and master.

Trying to educate you is like trying to grip smoke.

You are a complete loon.

• The Soviets had had control of Russia for a decade before FDR was elected.
• Germans killed those 20 million- not Soviets
• Unless you are at least 70 plus years old, you didn't even live while FDR was alive- and would have had to be at least 21 to have been of voting age while FDR was alive- so FDR is no one's "Lord and Master"
• FDR however was immensely popular with Americans- one of the most popular Presidents in American history.

When FDR was elected the United States was in a deep Depression, and was a third rate- distant third rate military power. Unemployment was the highest in American history, farmers were being driven off of their farms, and hunger and malnutrition was a real problem in America.

When FDR died, the United State's had the strongest economy in the world, and we had the most powerful military in the world. Unemployment had almost vanished, farmers were making money, and people were well fed.

No wonder you despise FDR.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your post is false in every single element.

Name a single one...without tedious cut and paste

Ripping one as ignorant as you are is the proverbial 'fish in a barrel.'

As with Prague,Patton’s request to secure Berlin was denied.Sadly, after Patton finally reached the ravaged city, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945,” for the first week after they took it (Berlin),all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped.
I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”


a. "Hell, why do we care what those goddamn Russians think?We are going to have to fight them sooner or later,within the next generation. Why not do it now while our Army is intact and the damn Russians can have their hind end kicked back to Russia in three months? We can do it easily with the help of the German troops we have, if we just arm them and take them with us. They hate the bastards.[92]

These actions were all Eisenhower could handle; he could not cover this one up and had no choice but to relieve Patton of his command. Patton was personally hurt by the loss."
Military History Online


Patton was correct.
Roosevelt not.

Roosevelt had reasons for behavior....his affection for 'Uncle Joe.'



You, on the other hand, have no ability to reason....simply to follow orders.

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

The rightwing fantasy of Patton seizing most of Europe is just that...fantasy
The political realities were that the USSR fought and died for most of Eastern Europe while we were waiting three years to invade Normandy. We were spared tens of thousands of casualties because the Soviets were engaging the top Nazi divisions.

From you:
"Patton was a moron."


From the NYTimes:
"Gen. George Smith Patton Jr. was one of the most brilliant soldiers in American history. Audacious, unorthodox and inspiring, he led his troops to great victories in North Africa, Sicily and on the Western Front. Nazi generals admitted that of all American field commanders he was the one they most feared. To Americans he was a worthy successor of such hardbitten cavalrymen as Philip Sheridan, J. E. B. Stuart and Nathan Bedford Forrest."
Patton's Career A Brilliant One



And so we see one more in a long line of posts where your inability comes to bite you in your thinking apparatus.

Someone as adept at the art of cut and paste should understand about cutting the entire quote...

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

Patton shooting his mouth off about global political conditions he did not understand prevented him from getting promoted into positions of responsibility. Good thing we had Generals like Marshall and Ike who did understand

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your post is false in every single element.

Name a single one...without tedious cut and paste

They didn't pay a price to get the east.

They paid the price defending their homeland.

With the Germans beaten and the Allied forces closing in on the West, the Russians had a pretty easy time getting to Berlin.

They then just decided to stay.

If they had not had their eyes on Eastern Europe, they would have still paid a heavy price in blood.

Your false associations only support the general assertion on the board that you are nothing but a hack far left brownshirt propaganda spreader.

The Soviets paid a horrific price ...20 million dead
When you are invaded and driven almost to the breaking point and fight to save yourself...you come out with one goal...NEVER AGAIN

Never again meant the Soviets would build a security buffer and ensure that no miltary force could get as close to their border. FDR was in no position to convince them otherwise

The 20 million...and more....were killed by the Soviet homicidal maniacs whose control of Russia was made possible through the tireless efforts of one Franklin Roosevelt, your lord and master.

Trying to educate you is like trying to grip smoke.

I'll just chalk that one up to more trolling on your part
I'm not going to take the bait

'education' characterized as 'bait'?

Really?


I want you to know that I reprimanded other posters for mimicking you. I tell them not to act like a fool.

 

[rightwinger]

Name a single one...without tedious cut and paste

Ripping one as ignorant as you are is the proverbial 'fish in a barrel.'

As with Prague,Patton’s request to secure Berlin was denied.Sadly, after Patton finally reached the ravaged city, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945,” for the first week after they took it (Berlin),all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped.
I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”


a. "Hell, why do we care what those goddamn Russians think?We are going to have to fight them sooner or later,within the next generation. Why not do it now while our Army is intact and the damn Russians can have their hind end kicked back to Russia in three months? We can do it easily with the help of the German troops we have, if we just arm them and take them with us. They hate the bastards.[92]

These actions were all Eisenhower could handle; he could not cover this one up and had no choice but to relieve Patton of his command. Patton was personally hurt by the loss."
Military History Online


Patton was correct.
Roosevelt not.

Roosevelt had reasons for behavior....his affection for 'Uncle Joe.'



You, on the other hand, have no ability to reason....simply to follow orders.

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

The rightwing fantasy of Patton seizing most of Europe is just that...fantasy
The political realities were that the USSR fought and died for most of Eastern Europe while we were waiting three years to invade Normandy. We were spared tens of thousands of casualties because the Soviets were engaging the top Nazi divisions.

From you:
"Patton was a moron."


From the NYTimes:
"Gen. George Smith Patton Jr. was one of the most brilliant soldiers in American history. Audacious, unorthodox and inspiring, he led his troops to great victories in North Africa, Sicily and on the Western Front. Nazi generals admitted that of all American field commanders he was the one they most feared. To Americans he was a worthy successor of such hardbitten cavalrymen as Philip Sheridan, J. E. B. Stuart and Nathan Bedford Forrest."
Patton's Career A Brilliant One



And so we see one more in a long line of posts where your inability comes to bite you in your thinking apparatus.

Someone as adept at the art of cut and paste should understand about cutting the entire quote...

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

Patton shooting his mouth off about global political conditions he did not understand prevented him from getting promoted into positions of responsibility. Good thing we had Generals like Marshall and Ike who did understand

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?

It is academic lazyness on your part

Making a position and using references to support your position is justifiable

Cut and paste without forming your own conclusions is just fucking lazy

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ripping one as ignorant as you are is the proverbial 'fish in a barrel.'

As with Prague,Patton’s request to secure Berlin was denied.Sadly, after Patton finally reached the ravaged city, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945,” for the first week after they took it (Berlin),all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped.
I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”


a. "Hell, why do we care what those goddamn Russians think?We are going to have to fight them sooner or later,within the next generation. Why not do it now while our Army is intact and the damn Russians can have their hind end kicked back to Russia in three months? We can do it easily with the help of the German troops we have, if we just arm them and take them with us. They hate the bastards.[92]

These actions were all Eisenhower could handle; he could not cover this one up and had no choice but to relieve Patton of his command. Patton was personally hurt by the loss."
Military History Online


Patton was correct.
Roosevelt not.

Roosevelt had reasons for behavior....his affection for 'Uncle Joe.'



You, on the other hand, have no ability to reason....simply to follow orders.

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

The rightwing fantasy of Patton seizing most of Europe is just that...fantasy
The political realities were that the USSR fought and died for most of Eastern Europe while we were waiting three years to invade Normandy. We were spared tens of thousands of casualties because the Soviets were engaging the top Nazi divisions.

From you:
"Patton was a moron."


From the NYTimes:
"Gen. George Smith Patton Jr. was one of the most brilliant soldiers in American history. Audacious, unorthodox and inspiring, he led his troops to great victories in North Africa, Sicily and on the Western Front. Nazi generals admitted that of all American field commanders he was the one they most feared. To Americans he was a worthy successor of such hardbitten cavalrymen as Philip Sheridan, J. E. B. Stuart and Nathan Bedford Forrest."
Patton's Career A Brilliant One



And so we see one more in a long line of posts where your inability comes to bite you in your thinking apparatus.

Someone as adept at the art of cut and paste should understand about cutting the entire quote...

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

Patton shooting his mouth off about global political conditions he did not understand prevented him from getting promoted into positions of responsibility. Good thing we had Generals like Marshall and Ike who did understand

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?

It is academic lazyness on your part

Making a position and using references to support your position is justifiable

Cut and paste without forming your own conclusions is just fucking lazy

I asked:

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?


So....based on your response....it is the former?

The profanity is a give-away.

 

[Syriusly]

We were in no position to dislodge them

We got the West...they got the east

They paid much, much more for their piece and we got the better part

Your post is false in every single element.

Name a single one...without tedious cut and paste

Ripping one as ignorant as you are is the proverbial 'fish in a barrel.'

As with Prague,Patton’s request to secure Berlin was denied.Sadly, after Patton finally reached the ravaged city, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945,” for the first week after they took it (Berlin),all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped.
I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”


a. "Hell, why do we care what those goddamn Russians think?We are going to have to fight them sooner or later,within the next generation. Why not do it now while our Army is intact and the damn Russians can have their hind end kicked back to Russia in three months? We can do it easily with the help of the German troops we have, if we just arm them and take them with us. They hate the bastards.[92]

These actions were all Eisenhower could handle; he could not cover this one up and had no choice but to relieve Patton of his command. Patton was personally hurt by the loss."
Military History Online


Patton was correct.
Roosevelt not.

Roosevelt had reasons for behavior....his affection for 'Uncle Joe.'



You, on the other hand, have no ability to reason....simply to follow orders.

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

The rightwing fantasy of Patton seizing most of Europe is just that...fantasy
The political realities were that the USSR fought and died for most of Eastern Europe while we were waiting three years to invade Normandy. We were spared tens of thousands of casualties because the Soviets were engaging the top Nazi divisions.

From you:
"Patton was a moron."


From the NYTimes:
"Gen. George Smith Patton Jr. was one of the most brilliant soldiers in American history. Audacious, unorthodox and inspiring, he led his troops to great victories in North Africa, Sicily and on the Western Front. Nazi generals admitted that of all American field commanders he was the one they most feared. To Americans he was a worthy successor of such hardbitten cavalrymen as Philip Sheridan, J. E. B. Stuart and Nathan Bedford Forrest."
Patton's Career A Brilliant One



And so we see one more in a long line of posts where your inability comes to bite you in your thinking apparatus.

And like all obituaries- that was very flattering.

Patton was brilliant in many ways, militarily-a great combat leader- but as many biographers have noted he also had serious flaws. There is a reason why Eisenhower and Bradley reined him in- they recognized his talents- probably more than any other American general he understood mobile warfare.

That doesn't mean he was a great strategic leader- or a great grasp of the entire war.

 

[Syriusly]

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

The rightwing fantasy of Patton seizing most of Europe is just that...fantasy
The political realities were that the USSR fought and died for most of Eastern Europe while we were waiting three years to invade Normandy. We were spared tens of thousands of casualties because the Soviets were engaging the top Nazi divisions.

From you:
"Patton was a moron."


From the NYTimes:
"Gen. George Smith Patton Jr. was one of the most brilliant soldiers in American history. Audacious, unorthodox and inspiring, he led his troops to great victories in North Africa, Sicily and on the Western Front. Nazi generals admitted that of all American field commanders he was the one they most feared. To Americans he was a worthy successor of such hardbitten cavalrymen as Philip Sheridan, J. E. B. Stuart and Nathan Bedford Forrest."
Patton's Career A Brilliant One



And so we see one more in a long line of posts where your inability comes to bite you in your thinking apparatus.

Someone as adept at the art of cut and paste should understand about cutting the entire quote...

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

Patton shooting his mouth off about global political conditions he did not understand prevented him from getting promoted into positions of responsibility. Good thing we had Generals like Marshall and Ike who did understand

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?

It is academic lazyness on your part

Making a position and using references to support your position is justifiable

Cut and paste without forming your own conclusions is just fucking lazy

I asked:

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?
.

I have two problems with your 'cut and paste'

1) What you do cut and paste is your own crap and
2) Cutting and pasting enables your habit of posting vast quantities of crap.

You are unable to write a succinct and comprehensible opinion.

 

[Camp]

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

The rightwing fantasy of Patton seizing most of Europe is just that...fantasy
The political realities were that the USSR fought and died for most of Eastern Europe while we were waiting three years to invade Normandy. We were spared tens of thousands of casualties because the Soviets were engaging the top Nazi divisions.

From you:
"Patton was a moron."


From the NYTimes:
"Gen. George Smith Patton Jr. was one of the most brilliant soldiers in American history. Audacious, unorthodox and inspiring, he led his troops to great victories in North Africa, Sicily and on the Western Front. Nazi generals admitted that of all American field commanders he was the one they most feared. To Americans he was a worthy successor of such hardbitten cavalrymen as Philip Sheridan, J. E. B. Stuart and Nathan Bedford Forrest."
Patton's Career A Brilliant One



And so we see one more in a long line of posts where your inability comes to bite you in your thinking apparatus.

Someone as adept at the art of cut and paste should understand about cutting the entire quote...

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

Patton shooting his mouth off about global political conditions he did not understand prevented him from getting promoted into positions of responsibility. Good thing we had Generals like Marshall and Ike who did understand

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?

It is academic lazyness on your part

Making a position and using references to support your position is justifiable

Cut and paste without forming your own conclusions is just fucking lazy

I asked:

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?


So....based on your response....it is the former?

The profanity is a give-away.

Cut and paste is the print version of video editing and distorting. It is only viable when the author can defend those challenges of distortion. You never seem able to defend your distortions when you are challenged. Your pattern is to ignore those challenges and flood the thread with new cut and paste to deflect away from the fact you have been caught in a lie of distortion. In this thread, I challenged your assessment that followed a cut and paste that FDR has not prepared the US Military for WWII. I had shown how you were distorting a quote by Gen. Marshall on numerous occasions, but you continue to use it. I debunked your assertion once again giving links to show how FDR was developing new modern weapons and preparing US industry to transform into the arsenal of freedom that it became on his command.
You have failed to show you are not telling an indisputable lie about FDR not preparing for WWII. You haven't even attempted to defend that lie.

 

[rightwinger]

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

The rightwing fantasy of Patton seizing most of Europe is just that...fantasy
The political realities were that the USSR fought and died for most of Eastern Europe while we were waiting three years to invade Normandy. We were spared tens of thousands of casualties because the Soviets were engaging the top Nazi divisions.

From you:
"Patton was a moron."


From the NYTimes:
"Gen. George Smith Patton Jr. was one of the most brilliant soldiers in American history. Audacious, unorthodox and inspiring, he led his troops to great victories in North Africa, Sicily and on the Western Front. Nazi generals admitted that of all American field commanders he was the one they most feared. To Americans he was a worthy successor of such hardbitten cavalrymen as Philip Sheridan, J. E. B. Stuart and Nathan Bedford Forrest."
Patton's Career A Brilliant One



And so we see one more in a long line of posts where your inability comes to bite you in your thinking apparatus.

Someone as adept at the art of cut and paste should understand about cutting the entire quote...

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

Patton shooting his mouth off about global political conditions he did not understand prevented him from getting promoted into positions of responsibility. Good thing we had Generals like Marshall and Ike who did understand

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?

It is academic lazyness on your part

Making a position and using references to support your position is justifiable

Cut and paste without forming your own conclusions is just fucking lazy

I asked:

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?


So....based on your response....it is the former?

The profanity is a give-away.

No.."fucking lazy" best defines your posting abilities

It results in endless, droll information which does little to define your point of view. In fact, it highlights that you have little personal insight to add to your own threads and substitute endless cut and paste.

 

[Syriusly]

From you:
"Patton was a moron."


From the NYTimes:
"Gen. George Smith Patton Jr. was one of the most brilliant soldiers in American history. Audacious, unorthodox and inspiring, he led his troops to great victories in North Africa, Sicily and on the Western Front. Nazi generals admitted that of all American field commanders he was the one they most feared. To Americans he was a worthy successor of such hardbitten cavalrymen as Philip Sheridan, J. E. B. Stuart and Nathan Bedford Forrest."
Patton's Career A Brilliant One



And so we see one more in a long line of posts where your inability comes to bite you in your thinking apparatus.

Someone as adept at the art of cut and paste should understand about cutting the entire quote...

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

Patton shooting his mouth off about global political conditions he did not understand prevented him from getting promoted into positions of responsibility. Good thing we had Generals like Marshall and Ike who did understand

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?

It is academic lazyness on your part

Making a position and using references to support your position is justifiable

Cut and paste without forming your own conclusions is just fucking lazy

I asked:

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?


So....based on your response....it is the former?

The profanity is a give-away.

Cut and paste is the print version of video editing and distorting. It is only viable when the author can defend those challenges of distortion. You never seem able to defend your distortions when you are challenged. Your pattern is to ignore those challenges and flood the thread with new cut and paste to deflect away from the fact you have been caught in a lie of distortion. In this thread, I challenged your assessment that followed a cut and paste that FDR has not prepared the US Military for WWII. I had shown how you were distorting a quote by Gen. Marshall on numerous occasions, but you continue to use it. I debunked your assertion once again giving links to show how FDR was developing new modern weapons and preparing US industry to transform into the arsenal of freedom that it became on his command.
You have failed to show you are not telling an indisputable lie about FDR not preparing for WWII. You haven't even attempted to defend that lie.

FDR dragged the United States kicking and screaming into preparing our military for the war that was coming- it just came about a year before we were really ready.

I believe almost every successful U.S. weapon deployed in WW2 was developed- and produced- during FDR's presidency- from the P-51 Mustang to the B-29 bomber.

Hell FDR approved the Manhattan project despite many of his generals not believing such a bomb could be possible.

PC just has a massive hate-on for FDR- from his rantings it appears to be based upon some John Birch anti-communist crap from the 1950's, with GOP malicious envy gossip added in.

 

[Sallow]

FDR had no assurance the bomb would work. It was an advancement in science that was theoretical at the time. A working bomb might be one year away, it might be five. FDR did not know, but he thought it worth the risk

Eastern Europe was not FDRs to give.....Stalin had already taken it
Stalin beat Hitler for FDR. The Allies ended up with Western Europe which was the best part of the bargain

"Eastern Europe was not FDRs to give.....Stalin had already taken it."


Liar.


"Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Bessarabia, the eastern half of Poland, Czecho-Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Germany – FDR conceded all to Communist régimes or Soviet protection!

What is most weird and most disturbing about Roosevelt’s obdurate fatalism is that the entire Red Army at this time was still inside the USSR."
West, "American Betrayal," p.266



Get that? Roosevelt had planned to hand millions of human beings to communist oppression before the Soviets had even entered those nations!!

We were in no position to dislodge them

We got the West...they got the east

They paid much, much more for their piece and we got the better part

Your post is false in every single element.

Name a single one...without tedious cut and paste

Ripping one as ignorant as you are is the proverbial 'fish in a barrel.'

As with Prague,Patton’s request to secure Berlin was denied.Sadly, after Patton finally reached the ravaged city, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945,” for the first week after they took it (Berlin),all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped.
I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”


a. "Hell, why do we care what those goddamn Russians think?We are going to have to fight them sooner or later,within the next generation. Why not do it now while our Army is intact and the damn Russians can have their hind end kicked back to Russia in three months? We can do it easily with the help of the German troops we have, if we just arm them and take them with us. They hate the bastards.[92]

These actions were all Eisenhower could handle; he could not cover this one up and had no choice but to relieve Patton of his command. Patton was personally hurt by the loss."
Military History Online


Patton was correct.
Roosevelt not.

Roosevelt had reasons for behavior....his affection for 'Uncle Joe.'



You, on the other hand, have no ability to reason....simply to follow orders.

Patton was correct about what? Starting a war with one of our allies? After they did most of the fighting in Europe?

That's rich.

 

[Samson]

Name a single one...without tedious cut and paste

You realize we've been saying this for years.

 

[Dot Com]

Name a single one...without tedious cut and paste

Ripping one as ignorant as you are is the proverbial 'fish in a barrel.'

As with Prague,Patton’s request to secure Berlin was denied.Sadly, after Patton finally reached the ravaged city, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945,” for the first week after they took it (Berlin),all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped.
I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”


a. "Hell, why do we care what those goddamn Russians think?We are going to have to fight them sooner or later,within the next generation. Why not do it now while our Army is intact and the damn Russians can have their hind end kicked back to Russia in three months? We can do it easily with the help of the German troops we have, if we just arm them and take them with us. They hate the bastards.[92]

These actions were all Eisenhower could handle; he could not cover this one up and had no choice but to relieve Patton of his command. Patton was personally hurt by the loss."
Military History Online


Patton was correct.
Roosevelt not.

Roosevelt had reasons for behavior....his affection for 'Uncle Joe.'



You, on the other hand, have no ability to reason....simply to follow orders.

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

The rightwing fantasy of Patton seizing most of Europe is just that...fantasy
The political realities were that the USSR fought and died for most of Eastern Europe while we were waiting three years to invade Normandy. We were spared tens of thousands of casualties because the Soviets were engaging the top Nazi divisions.

From you:
"Patton was a moron."


From the NYTimes:
"Gen. George Smith Patton Jr. was one of the most brilliant soldiers in American history. Audacious, unorthodox and inspiring, he led his troops to great victories in North Africa, Sicily and on the Western Front. Nazi generals admitted that of all American field commanders he was the one they most feared. To Americans he was a worthy successor of such hardbitten cavalrymen as Philip Sheridan, J. E. B. Stuart and Nathan Bedford Forrest."
Patton's Career A Brilliant One



And so we see one more in a long line of posts where your inability comes to bite you in your thinking apparatus.

Someone as adept at the art of cut and paste should understand about cutting the entire quote...

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

Patton shooting his mouth off about global political conditions he did not understand prevented him from getting promoted into positions of responsibility. Good thing we had Generals like Marshall and Ike who did understand

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?

your zany rw tinfoil cutnpaste jobs are read by exactly no one.

 

[Samson]

Ripping one as ignorant as you are is the proverbial 'fish in a barrel.'

As with Prague,Patton’s request to secure Berlin was denied.Sadly, after Patton finally reached the ravaged city, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945,” for the first week after they took it (Berlin),all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped.
I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”


a. "Hell, why do we care what those goddamn Russians think?We are going to have to fight them sooner or later,within the next generation. Why not do it now while our Army is intact and the damn Russians can have their hind end kicked back to Russia in three months? We can do it easily with the help of the German troops we have, if we just arm them and take them with us. They hate the bastards.[92]

These actions were all Eisenhower could handle; he could not cover this one up and had no choice but to relieve Patton of his command. Patton was personally hurt by the loss."
Military History Online


Patton was correct.
Roosevelt not.

Roosevelt had reasons for behavior....his affection for 'Uncle Joe.'



You, on the other hand, have no ability to reason....simply to follow orders.

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

The rightwing fantasy of Patton seizing most of Europe is just that...fantasy
The political realities were that the USSR fought and died for most of Eastern Europe while we were waiting three years to invade Normandy. We were spared tens of thousands of casualties because the Soviets were engaging the top Nazi divisions.

From you:
"Patton was a moron."


From the NYTimes:
"Gen. George Smith Patton Jr. was one of the most brilliant soldiers in American history. Audacious, unorthodox and inspiring, he led his troops to great victories in North Africa, Sicily and on the Western Front. Nazi generals admitted that of all American field commanders he was the one they most feared. To Americans he was a worthy successor of such hardbitten cavalrymen as Philip Sheridan, J. E. B. Stuart and Nathan Bedford Forrest."
Patton's Career A Brilliant One



And so we see one more in a long line of posts where your inability comes to bite you in your thinking apparatus.

Someone as adept at the art of cut and paste should understand about cutting the entire quote...

Patton was a moron. There was no other way to describe it. His political accumen was nowhere close to his military accumen

Patton shooting his mouth off about global political conditions he did not understand prevented him from getting promoted into positions of responsibility. Good thing we had Generals like Marshall and Ike who did understand

What is your problems with 'cut and paste'?

Is it the usual Liberal dodge, to avoid the facts presented....
...or is it jealousy in that you don't have the depth and breath of reading necessary to draw upon a multitude of sources?

Which is it?

your zany rw tinfoil cutnpaste jobs are read by exactly no one.

You waited until page 36 to say it?