Trump insults a war hero

[Unkotare]

If you believe Trump is good man it's because you are shit. End of story.

What a thoughtful, carefully crafted position.

As if you ever had one dummy.

There's another one...

 

[kaz]

The Donald didn't mean that McCain was NOT a hero because he was captured; he claimed that McCain was called a hero BECAUSE he was captured. While many who are captured are heroes because of their deeds BEFORE capture, McCain's hero status was confirmed upon him AFTER his capture -- his bravery under torture, his refusal to get special treatment, his choosing to stay in captivity until those captured before him were released.

While many would argue that McCain's courage and loyalty made him a hero, that is not the only idea of heroism. I am reminded of Churchill's statement after the Miracle of Dunkirk, an action many have seen as heroic and whose participants could be seen as heroes. "Wars are not won by evacuations," Mr. Churchill told Parliament.

The classical version of a hero requires more than courage, it demands either victory or the prevention of defeat. McCain's capture over Hanoi was neither of these things. Like his landing crashes on the carrier, his capture was a bit of bad luck which he handled very well, but it was a defeat not a victory. Trump went on to draw a parallel with McCain's disastrous presidential run with Sarah Palin, "he lost, he let us down."

The high standards for hero status matter. When everyone is a hero, no one is a hero.

I don't know how turning down getting out of the Hanoi Hilton early because he was a Senator's son and insisting on waiting his turn can be called anything but heroic. He endured more hardship in war than most soldiers never captured and refused special treatment at the expense of other soldiers. I would love to think I would do that, but wow, I don't know if I could and I hope I never find out.

And I am no fan of McCain politically. I wouldn't even vote for him over Obama. But say that after getting 4 deferments? Trump is an idiot. There are pppplllleeennnntttttyyyyyy of things to criticize McCain for that don't involve being an ass

 

[kaz]

The Donald didn't mean that McCain was NOT a hero because he was captured; he claimed that McCain was called a hero BECAUSE he was captured. While many who are captured are heroes because of their deeds BEFORE capture, McCain's hero status was confirmed upon him AFTER his capture -- his bravery under torture, his refusal to get special treatment, his choosing to stay in captivity until those captured before him were released.

While many would argue that McCain's courage and loyalty made him a hero, that is not the only idea of heroism. I am reminded of Churchill's statement after the Miracle of Dunkirk, an action many have seen as heroic and whose participants could be seen as heroes. "Wars are not won by evacuations," Mr. Churchill told Parliament.

The classical version of a hero requires more than courage, it demands either victory or the prevention of defeat. McCain's capture over Hanoi was neither of these things. Like his landing crashes on the carrier, his capture was a bit of bad luck which he handled very well, but it was a defeat not a victory. Trump went on to draw a parallel with McCain's disastrous presidential run with Sarah Palin, "he lost, he let us down."

The high standards for hero status matter. When everyone is a hero, no one is a hero.

All the troops in war face being wounded, captured and killed. Fortunately it doesn't happen to the majority of them. But they all risk it every day they are there. All the troops who go server honorably are heroes, damn straight they are

 

[RKMBrown]

The Donald didn't mean that McCain was NOT a hero because he was captured; he claimed that McCain was called a hero BECAUSE he was captured. While many who are captured are heroes because of their deeds BEFORE capture, McCain's hero status was confirmed upon him AFTER his capture -- his bravery under torture, his refusal to get special treatment, his choosing to stay in captivity until those captured before him were released.

While many would argue that McCain's courage and loyalty made him a hero, that is not the only idea of heroism. I am reminded of Churchill's statement after the Miracle of Dunkirk, an action many have seen as heroic and whose participants could be seen as heroes. "Wars are not won by evacuations," Mr. Churchill told Parliament.

The classical version of a hero requires more than courage, it demands either victory or the prevention of defeat. McCain's capture over Hanoi was neither of these things. Like his landing crashes on the carrier, his capture was a bit of bad luck which he handled very well, but it was a defeat not a victory. Trump went on to draw a parallel with McCain's disastrous presidential run with Sarah Palin, "he lost, he let us down."

The high standards for hero status matter. When everyone is a hero, no one is a hero.

well said!

 

[RKMBrown]

The Donald didn't mean that McCain was NOT a hero because he was captured; he claimed that McCain was called a hero BECAUSE he was captured. While many who are captured are heroes because of their deeds BEFORE capture, McCain's hero status was confirmed upon him AFTER his capture -- his bravery under torture, his refusal to get special treatment, his choosing to stay in captivity until those captured before him were released.

While many would argue that McCain's courage and loyalty made him a hero, that is not the only idea of heroism. I am reminded of Churchill's statement after the Miracle of Dunkirk, an action many have seen as heroic and whose participants could be seen as heroes. "Wars are not won by evacuations," Mr. Churchill told Parliament.

The classical version of a hero requires more than courage, it demands either victory or the prevention of defeat. McCain's capture over Hanoi was neither of these things. Like his landing crashes on the carrier, his capture was a bit of bad luck which he handled very well, but it was a defeat not a victory. Trump went on to draw a parallel with McCain's disastrous presidential run with Sarah Palin, "he lost, he let us down."

The high standards for hero status matter. When everyone is a hero, no one is a hero.

I don't know how turning down getting out of the Hanoi Hilton early because he was a Senator's son and insisting on waiting his turn can be called anything but heroic. He endured more hardship in war than most soldiers never captured and refused special treatment at the expense of other soldiers. I would love to think I would do that, but wow, I don't know if I could and I hope I never find out.

And I am no fan of McCain politically. I wouldn't even vote for him over Obama. But say that after getting 4 deferments? Trump is an idiot. There are pppplllleeennnntttttyyyyyy of things to criticize McCain for that don't involve being an ass

So basically you are just here to echo the words of the establishment media.

 

[airplanemechanic]

A war hero insulted Trump, is he immune to being ridiculed?

 

[kaz]

The Donald didn't mean that McCain was NOT a hero because he was captured; he claimed that McCain was called a hero BECAUSE he was captured. While many who are captured are heroes because of their deeds BEFORE capture, McCain's hero status was confirmed upon him AFTER his capture -- his bravery under torture, his refusal to get special treatment, his choosing to stay in captivity until those captured before him were released.

While many would argue that McCain's courage and loyalty made him a hero, that is not the only idea of heroism. I am reminded of Churchill's statement after the Miracle of Dunkirk, an action many have seen as heroic and whose participants could be seen as heroes. "Wars are not won by evacuations," Mr. Churchill told Parliament.

The classical version of a hero requires more than courage, it demands either victory or the prevention of defeat. McCain's capture over Hanoi was neither of these things. Like his landing crashes on the carrier, his capture was a bit of bad luck which he handled very well, but it was a defeat not a victory. Trump went on to draw a parallel with McCain's disastrous presidential run with Sarah Palin, "he lost, he let us down."

The high standards for hero status matter. When everyone is a hero, no one is a hero.

I don't know how turning down getting out of the Hanoi Hilton early because he was a Senator's son and insisting on waiting his turn can be called anything but heroic. He endured more hardship in war than most soldiers never captured and refused special treatment at the expense of other soldiers. I would love to think I would do that, but wow, I don't know if I could and I hope I never find out.

And I am no fan of McCain politically. I wouldn't even vote for him over Obama. But say that after getting 4 deferments? Trump is an idiot. There are pppplllleeennnntttttyyyyyy of things to criticize McCain for that don't involve being an ass

So basically you are just here to echo the words of the establishment media.

I've been in Europe working for a month and a half and I don't know what the "establishment media" is saying. I go home Friday. Can't wait to catch up. But if they are saying McCain is a crappy politician and was a horrible Presidential candidate but what Trump said was ridiculous then I guess I am, though you can't use the word "echo" since I am too removed from the reporting to be able to echo. I only see blurbs over here, so I'm aware of it, but that's about it

 

[kaz]

A war hero insulted Trump, is he immune to being ridiculed?

No, but then no one said he was so I'm not getting a point

 

[RKMBrown]

The Donald didn't mean that McCain was NOT a hero because he was captured; he claimed that McCain was called a hero BECAUSE he was captured. While many who are captured are heroes because of their deeds BEFORE capture, McCain's hero status was confirmed upon him AFTER his capture -- his bravery under torture, his refusal to get special treatment, his choosing to stay in captivity until those captured before him were released.

While many would argue that McCain's courage and loyalty made him a hero, that is not the only idea of heroism. I am reminded of Churchill's statement after the Miracle of Dunkirk, an action many have seen as heroic and whose participants could be seen as heroes. "Wars are not won by evacuations," Mr. Churchill told Parliament.

The classical version of a hero requires more than courage, it demands either victory or the prevention of defeat. McCain's capture over Hanoi was neither of these things. Like his landing crashes on the carrier, his capture was a bit of bad luck which he handled very well, but it was a defeat not a victory. Trump went on to draw a parallel with McCain's disastrous presidential run with Sarah Palin, "he lost, he let us down."

The high standards for hero status matter. When everyone is a hero, no one is a hero.

I don't know how turning down getting out of the Hanoi Hilton early because he was a Senator's son and insisting on waiting his turn can be called anything but heroic. He endured more hardship in war than most soldiers never captured and refused special treatment at the expense of other soldiers. I would love to think I would do that, but wow, I don't know if I could and I hope I never find out.

And I am no fan of McCain politically. I wouldn't even vote for him over Obama. But say that after getting 4 deferments? Trump is an idiot. There are pppplllleeennnntttttyyyyyy of things to criticize McCain for that don't involve being an ass

So basically you are just here to echo the words of the establishment media.

I've been in Europe working for a month and a half and I don't know what the "establishment media" is saying. I go home Friday. Can't wait to catch up. But if they are saying McCain is a crappy politician and was a horrible Presidential candidate but what Trump said was ridiculous then I guess I am, though you can't use the word "echo" since I am too removed from the reporting to be able to echo. I only see blurbs over here, so I'm aware of it, but that's about it

As I said, you are just here to echo the establishment media blurbs. And why? Either you care not to investigate into the facts, or you are just here to echo the lies from the establishment media blurb machine.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump attacks McCain, questions his hero status, so "McCain owes an apology to the American voters first."

There is a perfect far right reactionary loony statement.

No - McCain said that the people who were there to listen to Trump was crazy, yet there are the very same voters that came to see him in 2008.
McCain needs to apologize to those voters.

McCain said that Trump attracts the crazies....which is true

 

[Flopper]

And there we have it....the last stand of chickenhawk assholes who could never be bothered to make any kind of sacrifice for their country.

Oh now you are back to claiming deferment = chickenhawk asshole. What a petty little girl you are.

Yes exactly, bullshit educational deferments = hypocritical, cowardly, disgusting, chickenhawk asshole. I think you're beginning to catch on.

Going to college instead of the army is not a sign of being a chickenhawk you dumb ass. Where has Trump proven to be pro-draft or strongly supported going to war? Did your hero Obama serve in the military?

Trump did say he would take the Arab Oil fields to hurt ISIS which certainly would involve the military. Obama never volunteered for military service but unlike Trump he never took action to avoid it.

I don't fault Trump for staying out of the Vietnam war. However, I certainly think he was wrong to criticize the service of someone who volunteered to fight in that war, was wounded and spent 5 years in a POW camp. To me, that indicates that Trump was shooting off his mouth without considered the consequences. As a TV celebrity or a real estate wheeler dealer it's of no consequence, but not as president of the United States. If Trump expects to be president, he's going have to act like one which he so far has not done and seems to have no inclination to do so.

I also don't fault anyone for avoiding service in Vietnam. That was a roulette death sentence. Fuck that.

But Trump didn't criticize McCain's service, in fact after his initial gaff he was effusive in calling him a war hero. I'm sick of Trump being painted as anti military and here you are joining in with the slander. He isn't that type and the fake outrage is a Leftist tactic.

Trump is certainly not anti-military as long he doesn't have to do the fighting. Just yesterday he said, "I'm the most militaristic person ever."

'Of course he was criticizing McCain's service. He said, “He’s not a war hero”. Then he said he's a hero only because he was captured describing a decorated wounded veteran who suffered through 5 years in POW camps. Finally, after realizing the public outrage, he says, : “If a person is captured, they’re a hero as far as I’m concerned. Apparently Trump says whatever happens to comes into his head. I guess some people find that refreshing.

I have to agree with Lindsey Graham. Trump is certainly a Jackass.

 

[bodecea]

Just remember folks:

these SAME people whining now didn't have any problem with INSULTING President Bush military service.

and Obama is so patriotic he DIDN'T bother SEVING at all

The only people whining are Republicans. The rest of us are laughing our asses off.

Well YOU are ALL ASSES on your side.....THE TRUTH shall set you free!

We are loving this....simply loving it!

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Oh now you are back to claiming deferment = chickenhawk asshole. What a petty little girl you are.

Yes exactly, bullshit educational deferments = hypocritical, cowardly, disgusting, chickenhawk asshole. I think you're beginning to catch on.

Going to college instead of the army is not a sign of being a chickenhawk you dumb ass. Where has Trump proven to be pro-draft or strongly supported going to war? Did your hero Obama serve in the military?

Trump did say he would take the Arab Oil fields to hurt ISIS which certainly would involve the military. Obama never volunteered for military service but unlike Trump he never took action to avoid it.

I don't fault Trump for staying out of the Vietnam war. However, I certainly think he was wrong to criticize the service of someone who volunteered to fight in that war, was wounded and spent 5 years in a POW camp. To me, that indicates that Trump was shooting off his mouth without considered the consequences. As a TV celebrity or a real estate wheeler dealer it's of no consequence, but not as president of the United States. If Trump expects to be president, he's going have to act like one which he so far has not done and seems to have no inclination to do so.

I also don't fault anyone for avoiding service in Vietnam. That was a roulette death sentence. Fuck that.

But Trump didn't criticize McCain's service, in fact after his initial gaff he was effusive in calling him a war hero. I'm sick of Trump being painted as anti military and here you are joining in with the slander. He isn't that type and the fake outrage is a Leftist tactic.

Trump is certainly not anti-military as long he doesn't have to do the fighting. Just yesterday he said, "I'm the most militaristic person ever."

'Of course he was criticizing McCain's service. He said, “He’s not a war hero”. Then he said he's a hero only because he was captured describing a decorated wounded veteran who suffered through 5 years in POW camps. Finally, after realizing what said, he says, : “If a person is captured, they’re a hero as far as I’m concerned. Apparently Trump says whatever happens to comes into his head. I guess some people find that refreshing.

I guess I have to agree with Lindsey Graham. Trump is certainly a Jackass.

Of course you agree with Lindsey Graham, on this and probably many other issues. You're part of the reason nothing ever changes.

 

[peach174]

Trump attacks McCain, questions his hero status, so "McCain owes an apology to the American voters first."

There is a perfect far right reactionary loony statement.

No - McCain said that the people who were there to listen to Trump was crazy, yet there are the very same voters that came to see him in 2008.
McCain needs to apologize to those voters.

McCain said that Trump attracts the crazies....which is true

McCain said that Trump fired up the crazies, not attracts the crazies.
Then he went on MSNBC and said that they call him crazy too and that he thinks it's a term of endearment.
Nothing like insulting the people you represent and pays your salary eh?
It seems that all of congress needs a wake up call about who are the bosses. They think that they are and not the people.

 

[Flopper]

Yes exactly, bullshit educational deferments = hypocritical, cowardly, disgusting, chickenhawk asshole. I think you're beginning to catch on.

Going to college instead of the army is not a sign of being a chickenhawk you dumb ass. Where has Trump proven to be pro-draft or strongly supported going to war? Did your hero Obama serve in the military?

Trump did say he would take the Arab Oil fields to hurt ISIS which certainly would involve the military. Obama never volunteered for military service but unlike Trump he never took action to avoid it.

I don't fault Trump for staying out of the Vietnam war. However, I certainly think he was wrong to criticize the service of someone who volunteered to fight in that war, was wounded and spent 5 years in a POW camp. To me, that indicates that Trump was shooting off his mouth without considered the consequences. As a TV celebrity or a real estate wheeler dealer it's of no consequence, but not as president of the United States. If Trump expects to be president, he's going have to act like one which he so far has not done and seems to have no inclination to do so.

I also don't fault anyone for avoiding service in Vietnam. That was a roulette death sentence. Fuck that.

But Trump didn't criticize McCain's service, in fact after his initial gaff he was effusive in calling him a war hero. I'm sick of Trump being painted as anti military and here you are joining in with the slander. He isn't that type and the fake outrage is a Leftist tactic.

Trump is certainly not anti-military as long he doesn't have to do the fighting. Just yesterday he said, "I'm the most militaristic person ever."

'Of course he was criticizing McCain's service. He said, “He’s not a war hero”. Then he said he's a hero only because he was captured describing a decorated wounded veteran who suffered through 5 years in POW camps. Finally, after realizing what said, he says, : “If a person is captured, they’re a hero as far as I’m concerned. Apparently Trump says whatever happens to comes into his head. I guess some people find that refreshing.

I guess I have to agree with Lindsey Graham. Trump is certainly a Jackass.

Of course you agree with Lindsey Graham, on this and probably many other issues. You're part of the reason nothing ever changes.

No, I can't strand Lindsey Graham but his assessment of Trump is correct.

 

[Liminal]

If you believe Trump is good man it's because you are shit. End of story.

What a thoughtful, carefully crafted position.

As if you ever had one dummy.

There's another one...

I can understand why you and the other dummies on this thread support Trump. It's because Trump represents all the chickenshit assholes who could never quite muster the intestinal fortitude to serve their country in uniform. He represents all the dilettante faggots and draft dodgers who couldn't be bothered to risk or sacrifice anything; while being perfectly comfortable with having better men do their fighting for them. That's why superficial dummies like you support Trump. That's why you're shit.

 

[Liminal]

The Donald didn't mean that McCain was NOT a hero because he was captured; he claimed that McCain was called a hero BECAUSE he was captured. While many who are captured are heroes because of their deeds BEFORE capture, McCain's hero status was confirmed upon him AFTER his capture -- his bravery under torture, his refusal to get special treatment, his choosing to stay in captivity until those captured before him were released.

While many would argue that McCain's courage and loyalty made him a hero, that is not the only idea of heroism. I am reminded of Churchill's statement after the Miracle of Dunkirk, an action many have seen as heroic and whose participants could be seen as heroes. "Wars are not won by evacuations," Mr. Churchill told Parliament.

The classical version of a hero requires more than courage, it demands either victory or the prevention of defeat. McCain's capture over Hanoi was neither of these things. Like his landing crashes on the carrier, his capture was a bit of bad luck which he handled very well, but it was a defeat not a victory. Trump went on to draw a parallel with McCain's disastrous presidential run with Sarah Palin, "he lost, he let us down."

The high standards for hero status matter. When everyone is a hero, no one is a hero.

One thing's for sure, Donald Trump could never be considered any kind of hero.

 

[Liminal]

Going to college instead of the army is not a sign of being a chickenhawk you dumb ass. Where has Trump proven to be pro-draft or strongly supported going to war? Did your hero Obama serve in the military?

Trump did say he would take the Arab Oil fields to hurt ISIS which certainly would involve the military. Obama never volunteered for military service but unlike Trump he never took action to avoid it.

I don't fault Trump for staying out of the Vietnam war. However, I certainly think he was wrong to criticize the service of someone who volunteered to fight in that war, was wounded and spent 5 years in a POW camp. To me, that indicates that Trump was shooting off his mouth without considered the consequences. As a TV celebrity or a real estate wheeler dealer it's of no consequence, but not as president of the United States. If Trump expects to be president, he's going have to act like one which he so far has not done and seems to have no inclination to do so.

I also don't fault anyone for avoiding service in Vietnam. That was a roulette death sentence. Fuck that.

But Trump didn't criticize McCain's service, in fact after his initial gaff he was effusive in calling him a war hero. I'm sick of Trump being painted as anti military and here you are joining in with the slander. He isn't that type and the fake outrage is a Leftist tactic.

Trump is certainly not anti-military as long he doesn't have to do the fighting. Just yesterday he said, "I'm the most militaristic person ever."

'Of course he was criticizing McCain's service. He said, “He’s not a war hero”. Then he said he's a hero only because he was captured describing a decorated wounded veteran who suffered through 5 years in POW camps. Finally, after realizing what said, he says, : “If a person is captured, they’re a hero as far as I’m concerned. Apparently Trump says whatever happens to comes into his head. I guess some people find that refreshing.

I guess I have to agree with Lindsey Graham. Trump is certainly a Jackass.

Of course you agree with Lindsey Graham, on this and probably many other issues. You're part of the reason nothing ever changes.

No, I can't strand Lindsey Graham but his assessment of Trump is correct.

You don't have to agree with McCain or Graham to see that Trump is dog shit.

 

[Liminal]

Trump attacks McCain, questions his hero status, so "McCain owes an apology to the American voters first."

There is a perfect far right reactionary loony statement.

No - McCain said that the people who were there to listen to Trump was crazy, yet there are the very same voters that came to see him in 2008.
McCain needs to apologize to those voters.

McCain said that Trump attracts the crazies....which is true

Stale Tea Party left overs.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

T-Rump is the leader of the anti-fluoridation John Birch Society nutcases of the 1950’s............you just can’t honestly come to grips with the fact that the modern GOP is this much of a disgrace.