Trump's promise to Evangelicals: I will destroy the Johnson amendment

[JakeStarkey]

All good Americans know that preaching the far right version of religion makes hypocrites of people and turns them away from morals and principles. Such people threaten the American system.

But preaching the far left version of religion is perfectly OK with you Democrats.

You are not a patriot, I am a GOP, and no religion should be tax exempt.

Bullshit.

Yep, bulls shit, just like you talk it.

 

[martybegan]

No one should have political pandering if they are on the IRS tax-exempt rolls.

Pay the due if you want to be involved in politics.

Churches should not be tax exempt, period.

Why do you equate taxes with political advocacy?

Aren't unions tax exempt in some ways?

If they are tax-exempt they should not be, imo.

Why not? A Union's organizational goal is not to make a profit, but to represent their workers, hence the "non-profit" nature of the organization. Why is a Church any different than any other non profit when it comes to being able to voice political opinions? Why do you feel the need to muzzle speech?

That you do not understand the Constitution, stare decisis, and how the law works.

Your rebuttal of 'appeal to authority,' when in fact all of the above is authoritative, only means you disagree not that the law is wrong. Tough to be a libertarian, I know.

I think you replied to the wrong post, this seems to be a response to one of my other ones.

More coffee, farkey.

 

[Conservative65]

All good Americans know that preaching the far right version of religion makes hypocrites of people and turns them away from morals and principles. Such people threaten the American system.

But preaching the far left version of religion is perfectly OK with you Democrats.

You are not a patriot, I am a GOP, and no religion should be tax exempt.

You're not GOP, liar. That claim lost any validity by looking at YOUR words, NL.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am GOP whereas Conservative65 is not a patriot at all and does not think to boot. You don't think clearly, Marty. I cut of your appeal of authority argument before you could use it.

I am going to the gym. Have a good morning.

 

[anotherlife]

No one should have political pandering if they are on the IRS tax-exempt rolls.

Pay the due if you want to be involved in politics.

Churches should not be tax exempt, period.

Why do you equate taxes with political advocacy?

Aren't unions tax exempt in some ways?

If they are tax-exempt they should not be, imo.

Why not? A Union's organizational goal is not to make a profit, but to represent their workers, hence the "non-profit" nature of the organization. Why is a Church any different than any other non profit when it comes to being able to voice political opinions?

Why do you feel the need to muzzle speech?

In America, most churches, not all, are businesses. America is the land of the mega pastors. Why shouldn't a business pay taxes? It is difficult to separate the real churches from the business churches, but it is possible. Maybe by determining how much marketing versus gospel is mixed in the sermons. If you pay taxes, you should have a right to a political word. If you don't then no.

 

[martybegan]

No one should have political pandering if they are on the IRS tax-exempt rolls.

Pay the due if you want to be involved in politics.

Churches should not be tax exempt, period.

Why do you equate taxes with political advocacy?

Aren't unions tax exempt in some ways?

If they are tax-exempt they should not be, imo.

Why not? A Union's organizational goal is not to make a profit, but to represent their workers, hence the "non-profit" nature of the organization. Why is a Church any different than any other non profit when it comes to being able to voice political opinions?

Why do you feel the need to muzzle speech?

In America, most churches, not all, are businesses. America is the land of the mega pastors. Why shouldn't a business pay taxes? It is difficult to separate the real churches from the business churches, but it is possible. Maybe by determining how much marketing versus gospel is mixed in the sermons. If you pay taxes, you should have a right to a political word. If you don't then no.

So the 50% of Americans who pay no federal income taxes shouldn't be able to speak politically either?

 

[Mr Natural]

rightwingnut religious freaks need to leave everyone else alone.

They should honor the 11th commandment:

11. Thou shalt keep they religion to thyself.

 

[martybegan]

rightwingnut religious freaks need to leave everyone else alone.

They should honor the 11th commandment:

11. Thou shalt keep they religion to thyself.

Why?

Free exercise is just that. Are you so much of a snowflake that you get the vapors when exposed to religious speech or action?

 

[Votto]

No one should have political pandering if they are on the IRS tax-exempt rolls.

Pay the due if you want to be involved in politics.

Churches should not be tax exempt, period.

I'm all for it!

Take away the tax exempt status of the NAACP and Unions as well.

(Crickets)

 

[martybegan]

I am GOP whereas Conservative65 is not a patriot at all and does not think to boot. You don't think clearly, Marty. I cut of your appeal of authority argument before you could use it.

I am going to the gym. Have a good morning.

Wow.... your sentence structure is comical at best.

 

[jillian]

rightwingnut religious freaks need to leave everyone else alone.

They should honor the 11th commandment:

11. Thou shalt keep they religion to thyself.

Why?

Free exercise is just that. Are you so much of a snowflake that you get the vapors when exposed to religious speech or action?

they can't impose their religion on others through governmental means.

or do you not understand simple English?

 

[anotherlife]

No one should have political pandering if they are on the IRS tax-exempt rolls.

Pay the due if you want to be involved in politics.

Churches should not be tax exempt, period.

Why do you equate taxes with political advocacy?

Aren't unions tax exempt in some ways?

If they are tax-exempt they should not be, imo.

Why not? A Union's organizational goal is not to make a profit, but to represent their workers, hence the "non-profit" nature of the organization. Why is a Church any different than any other non profit when it comes to being able to voice political opinions?

Why do you feel the need to muzzle speech?

In America, most churches, not all, are businesses. America is the land of the mega pastors. Why shouldn't a business pay taxes? It is difficult to separate the real churches from the business churches, but it is possible. Maybe by determining how much marketing versus gospel is mixed in the sermons. If you pay taxes, you should have a right to a political word. If you don't then no.

So the 50% of Americans who pay no federal income taxes shouldn't be able to speak politically either?

These are not individuals, not even ethnic groups or cultural groups, but these are businesses. A business should pay tax before it has a political word. Too bad, this is mute because the richest businesses that lobby government are run on government money to begin with, like charities.

 

[martybegan]

rightwingnut religious freaks need to leave everyone else alone.

They should honor the 11th commandment:

11. Thou shalt keep they religion to thyself.

Why?

Free exercise is just that. Are you so much of a snowflake that you get the vapors when exposed to religious speech or action?

they can't impose their religion on others through governmental means.

or do you not understand simple English?

How is their preaching from pulpit on political matters "imposing their religion through government means"

Unless they force you to tithe to the church, or sit your ass in the pew, they are not forcing anything by voicing their views to their parishioners.

 

[martybegan]

Why do you equate taxes with political advocacy?

Aren't unions tax exempt in some ways?

If they are tax-exempt they should not be, imo.

Why not? A Union's organizational goal is not to make a profit, but to represent their workers, hence the "non-profit" nature of the organization. Why is a Church any different than any other non profit when it comes to being able to voice political opinions?

Why do you feel the need to muzzle speech?

In America, most churches, not all, are businesses. America is the land of the mega pastors. Why shouldn't a business pay taxes? It is difficult to separate the real churches from the business churches, but it is possible. Maybe by determining how much marketing versus gospel is mixed in the sermons. If you pay taxes, you should have a right to a political word. If you don't then no.

So the 50% of Americans who pay no federal income taxes shouldn't be able to speak politically either?

These are not individuals, not even ethnic groups or cultural groups, but these are businesses. A business should pay tax before it has a political word. Too bad, this is mute because the richest businesses that lobby government are run on government money to begin with, like charities.

Again, where does the constitution connect free speech rights to paying taxes?

 

[anotherlife]

rightwingnut religious freaks need to leave everyone else alone.

They should honor the 11th commandment:

11. Thou shalt keep they religion to thyself.

Why?

Free exercise is just that. Are you so much of a snowflake that you get the vapors when exposed to religious speech or action?

they can't impose their religion on others through governmental means.

or do you not understand simple English?

Yes they can. If you don't hand over all your stuff to the Party then you are a terrorist and an enemy of the state and the people.

 

[anotherlife]

If they are tax-exempt they should not be, imo.

Why not? A Union's organizational goal is not to make a profit, but to represent their workers, hence the "non-profit" nature of the organization. Why is a Church any different than any other non profit when it comes to being able to voice political opinions?

Why do you feel the need to muzzle speech?

In America, most churches, not all, are businesses. America is the land of the mega pastors. Why shouldn't a business pay taxes? It is difficult to separate the real churches from the business churches, but it is possible. Maybe by determining how much marketing versus gospel is mixed in the sermons. If you pay taxes, you should have a right to a political word. If you don't then no.

So the 50% of Americans who pay no federal income taxes shouldn't be able to speak politically either?

These are not individuals, not even ethnic groups or cultural groups, but these are businesses. A business should pay tax before it has a political word. Too bad, this is mute because the richest businesses that lobby government are run on government money to begin with, like charities.

Again, where does the constitution connect free speech rights to paying taxes?

It doesn't, but a condition of your tax exemption as a business is that you waive your free speech rights as a business.

 

[martybegan]

Why not? A Union's organizational goal is not to make a profit, but to represent their workers, hence the "non-profit" nature of the organization. Why is a Church any different than any other non profit when it comes to being able to voice political opinions?

Why do you feel the need to muzzle speech?

In America, most churches, not all, are businesses. America is the land of the mega pastors. Why shouldn't a business pay taxes? It is difficult to separate the real churches from the business churches, but it is possible. Maybe by determining how much marketing versus gospel is mixed in the sermons. If you pay taxes, you should have a right to a political word. If you don't then no.

So the 50% of Americans who pay no federal income taxes shouldn't be able to speak politically either?

These are not individuals, not even ethnic groups or cultural groups, but these are businesses. A business should pay tax before it has a political word. Too bad, this is mute because the richest businesses that lobby government are run on government money to begin with, like charities.

Again, where does the constitution connect free speech rights to paying taxes?

It doesn't, but a condition of your tax exemption as a business is that you waive your free speech rights as a business.

Again, where is that in the constitution? The Johnson rule was always shaky on constitutional grounds. Better to be rid of it. More speech is always better speech.

 

[JakeStarkey]

rightwingnut religious freaks need to leave everyone else alone.

They should honor the 11th commandment:

11. Thou shalt keep they religion to thyself.

Why?

Free exercise is just that. Are you so much of a snowflake that you get the vapors when exposed to religious speech or action?

they can't impose their religion on others through governmental means.

or do you not understand simple English?

How is their preaching from pulpit on political matters "imposing their religion through government means"

Unless they force you to tithe to the church, or sit your ass in the pew, they are not forcing anything by voicing their views to their parishioners.

They are given an unlevel playing field.

So now you are for Big Government intervention on behalf of groups the which you approve. That is hypocritical, young libertarian.

 

[JakeStarkey]

In America, most churches, not all, are businesses. America is the land of the mega pastors. Why shouldn't a business pay taxes? It is difficult to separate the real churches from the business churches, but it is possible. Maybe by determining how much marketing versus gospel is mixed in the sermons. If you pay taxes, you should have a right to a political word. If you don't then no.

So the 50% of Americans who pay no federal income taxes shouldn't be able to speak politically either?

These are not individuals, not even ethnic groups or cultural groups, but these are businesses. A business should pay tax before it has a political word. Too bad, this is mute because the richest businesses that lobby government are run on government money to begin with, like charities.

Again, where does the constitution connect free speech rights to paying taxes?

It doesn't, but a condition of your tax exemption as a business is that you waive your free speech rights as a business.

Again, where is that in the constitution? The Johnson rule was always shaky on constitutional grounds. Better to be rid of it. More speech is always better speech.

Since you are no Constitutional scholar, we will skip that. But, instead, you want an unlevel playing round for churches.

 

[Coyote]

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Trump’s Promise to Evangelicals: I Will ‘Destroy’ the Johnson Amendment
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Trump is busting down all this NWO politcal bs. We're going to get the REAL AMERICA back and the leftist hitler loves ain't gonna like it. Oh well get use to it or get out.

Bad idea.

They should lose their tax exempt status then.

In which case, PP should lose their tax exempt status...and so should the Audubon society.

Are they religious organizations?