What do liberals want the US to be?

[Roadrunner]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

Like in these liberal states?

Is this what liberals want America to look like?

The 5 Worst States for Black Americans

 

[Dad2three]

80% of the population owns 5% of the wealth.

Do you spend 80% of your day fuming about this? lol

Fuming?

No

But I do question why we continue policies that only contribute to allowing the one percent to control 40% of the wealth

LOL dude you need one of those captain Kurk yelling pics with "The 1%" captioned in your sig line.

Why do you grovel for the 1%ers?



Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."


Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html

 

[Flash]

How do tax cuts create jobs???

They kill jobs by incentivizing OFF SHORRING jobs AND profits dumbass!

Maybe we should go back to the good old days when tax rates were high and the corporations save their tax money by reinvesting into their company instead of just pulling everything out.

That is one of the most ignorant answers I have seen.

Business go offshore simply because the cost of production is cheaper that way. That happens in a country with high taxation and burdensome regulations like we have in the US. You can't impose some burdensome shit like Obmacare and having the highest corporate tax rate in the world and then expect everybody to just roll over and accept it. There are consequences to bad government and one of them is having the businesses go elsewhere.

It is always funny when stupid Libtards create a hostile place to do business and then complain when the businesses vote with their feet. Of course Libtards are't exactly known for ever getting it right, are they?

The filthy federal government takes almost a trillion dollars a year in corporate taxes and the state and local governments take almost as much and then the stupid Libtards wonders why nobody wants to do business here any more. Dumbasses!

 

[Dad2three]

80% of the population owns 5% of the wealth.

Do you spend 80% of your day fuming about this? lol

he probably does. He dreams of being Robin Hood.

I honestly never think about it, I'm too busy 'earning' my own wealth to worry about what somebody else is earning. FACT this country is the very definition of opportunity, its overflowing with opportunities. Too bad the left try to convince their base its hopeless.

The Republican sham of lower taxes and less regulation doesn't help anyone but the richest Americans and Big Business and kill jobs and opportunity for almost everyone, especially in the middle class and poor.

As Bill Maher has observed, the GOPers are good at pushing a falsehood until it's accepted as conventional wisdom

Riiiiight what we need are higher taxes and more regulations...AHAHAHAHAHA! You libs crack me up.

1%ers 1945-1980 had 6%-9% of ALL US income. 23% by 2007. Today about 20% see the tax burden dropping AS their incomes increased DRAMATICALLY?

YOU LOW INFORMED TYPES, CRACK ME UP

 

[kaz]

Fool me once....

Actually, you get fooled all the time and about the same things. Here's the inside scoop, big guy. Lawyers didn't get economics degrees, they went to law school. When they tell you they know more about economics than economists, they are ... wait for it ... lying to you. Shocking, I know. Who would have seen that coming? Lawyers lying to you? WTF?

BTW, Reagan's "trickle down" triggered a historic 25 year economic and stock market explosion. You really have to stop listening to lawyers. And they don't respect you in the morning, they lied again.

 

[Dad2three]

"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."

Thomas Jefferson



The problem with the conservative movement in America is that it is based on bigotry, hatred, and, greed. Above all, greed. Money is their god. They worship money and the holders of it and despise those who don't have it.

Liberal Dictionary:
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Greed - the desire to keep the money you have earned
compassion - coveting the money earned by others and taking it by force

Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father, American diplomat, statesman, and scientist; letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783:

"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."

Franklin wasn't right about everything. Your quote doesn't prove that libturds aren't greedy hypocrites.

Got it. It's liberals who call for tax cuts for the most well off and gutting social safety nets

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Gotcha FooledByO, wanting to keep that which you earned is "selfishness" and taking what you didn't by force is generosity. Actually, it's armed robbery.

Yeah, you didn't 'earn' the money because of the system WE set up right? No, it was just working harder. NOT like the US system helped at all. Read BF quote again dumbass, then go to China or Russia and do it!!!

 

[dilloduck]

A place where even people without exceptional skills can still achieve the "American Dream".

Should they have the same dream that those who work and compete for the dream ?

 

[Dad2three]

Liberals want the US to be a socialist paradise just like North Korea or Cuba. They would think things are peachy keen if we were the old East Germany or Soviet Union. That is how those idiots think.

They don't want to be burdened with having to earn their own way so in their greed they want everything given to them in the name of social justice or some bullshit like that.

Then they wonder why we call them Moon Bats.

We have a political party and *news* channel that caters to people who live in Black-n-White World. Even though nearly all societies have some socialist aspects to them, Faux News and Republicans like to spotlight individual things and label them and anyone who supports them as "socialist."

Most of Faux News viewers are non-1%er retirees, which means they are lapping up most of the socialism the US offers its citizens: social security and Medicare.

 

[Roadrunner]

How do lower taxes kill jobs? I can't wait to see your explanation for that.

How do tax cuts create jobs???

They kill jobs by incentivizing OFF SHORRING jobs AND profits dumbass!

Maybe we should go back to the good old days when tax rates were high and the corporations save their tax money by reinvesting into their company instead of just pulling everything out.

Lower taxes make US companies more profitable which means they have more money to invest in other projects. It also leaves more money in the hands of consumers, who then buy other things and create jobs.

That explanation was simple, reasonable, intuitive and unequivocally supported by the field of economics. You didn't follow it at all, did you? Be honest.

Trickle down

Fool me once....

Trickle down
Fool me once....

Isn't that what Chris Matthews said about the Obama tingle down his leg?

 

[kaz]

Gotcha FooledByO, wanting to keep that which you earned is "selfishness" and taking what you didn't by force is generosity. Actually, it's armed robbery.

Yeah, you didn't 'earn' the money because of the system WE set up right? No, it was just working harder. NOT like the US system helped at all. Read BF quote again dumbass, then go to China or Russia and do it!!!

Bull, you did nothing to "set up" the system. I created my company, I funded "the system." You are just a parasite.

 

[rightwinger]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

Like in these liberal states?

Is this what liberals want America to look like?

The 5 Worst States for Black Americans

I'm willing to push for jobs programs in those states
Are you?

 

[zeke]

Yes, policies like GUTTING revenues from 20%+ of GDP to below 15% (25%+ drop) don't matter, OR UNFUNDED wars or UNFUNDED Medicare expansions right? Or 'job creator' policies that failed? Or 'home ownership society' programs that Dubya cheered on, WITHOUT regulators on the beat?

The Republican sham of lower taxes and less regulation doesn't help anyone but the richest Americans and Big Business and kill jobs and opportunity for almost everyone, especially in the middle class and poor.

You have hereby been selected to be the candidate for the new third party. Congratulations. May the force be wit you. And rightwinger your running mate. And all your campaign contributions be in the way of millions of 100 dollar checks solicited over the 'Net. Ima counting on ya'll.

 

[rightwinger]

Fool me once....

Actually, you get fooled all the time and about the same things. Here's the inside scoop, big guy. Lawyers didn't get economics degrees, they went to law school. When they tell you they know more about economics than economists, they are ... wait for it ... lying to you. Shocking, I know. Who would have seen that coming? Lawyers lying to you? WTF?

BTW, Reagan's "trickle down" triggered a historic 25 year economic and stock market explosion. You really have to stop listening to lawyers. And they don't respect you in the morning, they lied again.

Reagan's trickle down started 30 years of unconstrained debt and the destruction of the middle class

 

[Dad2three]

How do lower taxes kill jobs? I can't wait to see your explanation for that.

How do tax cuts create jobs???

They kill jobs by incentivizing OFF SHORRING jobs AND profits dumbass!

Maybe we should go back to the good old days when tax rates were high and the corporations save their tax money by reinvesting into their company instead of just pulling everything out.

Lower taxes make US companies more profitable which means they have more money to invest in other projects. It also leaves more money in the hands of consumers, who then buy other things and create jobs.

That explanation was simple, reasonable, intuitive and unequivocally supported by the field of economics. You didn't follow it at all, did you? Be honest.

US comps didn't have money to invest when taxes are higher? BTW, Tax burden on US Corps are third lowest in developed world! Only Mexico and Chile are lower



The US corporate business model has changed: It used to be based on sharing profits with workers to incentivize them and generate loyalty. Now, the model has shifted to rewarding not workers, but shareholders and upper management.. So, as corporate profits soar, the rich get richer and workers are told they are lucky to even have a job so stop whining about income disparity.


Tax Foundation Reveals Scant Link Between Taxes And Prosperity

Another day, another weird map from a libertarian group that seems designed to debunk libertarianism. Last time it was strange assertions about freedom, today it's the Tax Foundation explaining why there are no successful businesses in California or New York:


Now it would be a little silly to say that relatively high business tax rates are the cause of California and New York's success as the pillars of America's very successful high-tech, finance, and media industries. But this map seems to provide strong support for the hypothesis that policymakers seeking to create a prosperous local economy shouldn't sweat the business tax rate too much.


State tax climate Tax Foundation shows taxes don t matter.

 

[kaz]

We have a political party and *news* channel that caters to people who live in Black-n-White World

LOL, of the three areas of politics, fiscal, social and military, I agree with Republicans on one of them. At least in theory, I am different in fiscal in that I am actually fiscally conservative. And you keep calling me a Republican. And Republicans are black and white? LOL, take your head out of the kool-aid bowl, you're not getting enough oxygen.

 

[Dad2three]

Liberals want the US to be a socialist paradise just like North Korea or Cuba. They would think things are peachy keen if we were the old East Germany or Soviet Union. That is how those idiots think.

They don't want to be burdened with having to earn their own way so in their greed they want everything given to them in the name of social justice or some bullshit like that.

Then they wonder why we call them Moon Bats.

If you check out the John Birch Society, you will find their goals and philosophy are about the same as The Tea Party...The only difference is, this is 2014 with a catchy name, and tons of money to influence people/elections

 

[dilloduck]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

Like in these liberal states?

Is this what liberals want America to look like?

The 5 Worst States for Black Americans

I'm willing to push for jobs programs in those states
Are you?

I thought college was supposed to train people.

 

[kaz]

Fool me once....

Actually, you get fooled all the time and about the same things. Here's the inside scoop, big guy. Lawyers didn't get economics degrees, they went to law school. When they tell you they know more about economics than economists, they are ... wait for it ... lying to you. Shocking, I know. Who would have seen that coming? Lawyers lying to you? WTF?

BTW, Reagan's "trickle down" triggered a historic 25 year economic and stock market explosion. You really have to stop listening to lawyers. And they don't respect you in the morning, they lied again.

Reagan's trickle down started 30 years of unconstrained debt and the destruction of the middle class

So now stock market rises are bad again? You keep pumping how great it is the rich are getting richer under Obama. Do you want to take a few minutes and decide what your position is and get back to me?

 

[zeke]

Riiiiight what we need are higher taxes and more regulations...AHAHAHAHAHA! You libs crack me up.

Try and offer something, anything based on intelligent thought. Could you do that? Or not? So far, you ain't looking to good. Kinda dumb and simple minded is what you seem to be.

 

[Dad2three]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

Like in these liberal states?

Is this what liberals want America to look like?

The 5 Worst States for Black Americans

LIBERAL? lol. How do you measure 'worst' BTW?