Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Hollie]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
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(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

 

[Hollie]

There’s always a touch of irony when various components of Islamic Terrorism Intl. inc. (PA, PLO, Fatah, Islamic Gee-had, etc.), work themselves into a froth defending acts of Islamic terrorism.

PA accuses Israel of using "poisonous gas" while exploding terror tunnel - PMW Bulletins


PA accuses Israel of using "poisonous gas"
while exploding terror tunnel

Itamar Marcus and Maurice Hirsch

Yesterday, Israel carried out a controlled explosion to destroy an attack tunnel dug by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) terror group that started in the Gazan city of Khan Younis and crossed into Israeli territory.
A member of Islamic Jihad, Khaled Al-Batsh, explained [in Al-Dustour (Jordanian newspaper), Oct. 31, 2017] that the tunnel that Israel attacked "was intended for freeing prisoners from the Israeli occupation prisons." Al-Batsh was implying that the purpose of the tunnel was to facilitate the entry of Islamic Jihad terrorists into Israel, to kidnap Israelis who would then be used as hostages to force Israel to release prisoners.
At least seven members of the Islamic Jihad and Hamas terror organizations, including senior terrorist commanders, were killed in the explosion of the tunnel.

Instead of condemning the digging of the terror tunnel, Mahmoud Abbas's PA and Fatah chose to accuse Israel of using "poisonous gas" in breach of International law.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There’s always a touch of irony when various components of Islamic Terrorism Intl. inc. (PA, PLO, Fatah, Islamic Gee-had, etc.), work themselves into a froth defending acts of Islamic terrorism.

PA accuses Israel of using "poisonous gas" while exploding terror tunnel - PMW Bulletins


PA accuses Israel of using "poisonous gas"
while exploding terror tunnel

Itamar Marcus and Maurice Hirsch

Yesterday, Israel carried out a controlled explosion to destroy an attack tunnel dug by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) terror group that started in the Gazan city of Khan Younis and crossed into Israeli territory.
A member of Islamic Jihad, Khaled Al-Batsh, explained [in Al-Dustour (Jordanian newspaper), Oct. 31, 2017] that the tunnel that Israel attacked "was intended for freeing prisoners from the Israeli occupation prisons." Al-Batsh was implying that the purpose of the tunnel was to facilitate the entry of Islamic Jihad terrorists into Israel, to kidnap Israelis who would then be used as hostages to force Israel to release prisoners.
At least seven members of the Islamic Jihad and Hamas terror organizations, including senior terrorist commanders, were killed in the explosion of the tunnel.

Instead of condemning the digging of the terror tunnel, Mahmoud Abbas's PA and Fatah chose to accuse Israel of using "poisonous gas" in breach of International law.

Oh my, so many terrorist cards.

They must be trying to sell something.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

The UN cannot establish borders. They do, however, reference existing borders.

 

[Hollie]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

The UN cannot establish borders. They do, however, reference existing borders.

Let me guess, you’re suggesting the UN recognizes the border of your invented “country of Pal’istan”?

 

[P F Tinmore]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

The UN cannot establish borders. They do, however, reference existing borders.

Let me guess, you’re suggesting the UN recognizes the border of your invented “country of Pal’istan”?

It is only invented to Zionist propagandists.

 

[Hollie]

There’s always a touch of irony when various components of Islamic Terrorism Intl. inc. (PA, PLO, Fatah, Islamic Gee-had, etc.), work themselves into a froth defending acts of Islamic terrorism.

PA accuses Israel of using "poisonous gas" while exploding terror tunnel - PMW Bulletins


PA accuses Israel of using "poisonous gas"
while exploding terror tunnel

Itamar Marcus and Maurice Hirsch

Yesterday, Israel carried out a controlled explosion to destroy an attack tunnel dug by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) terror group that started in the Gazan city of Khan Younis and crossed into Israeli territory.
A member of Islamic Jihad, Khaled Al-Batsh, explained [in Al-Dustour (Jordanian newspaper), Oct. 31, 2017] that the tunnel that Israel attacked "was intended for freeing prisoners from the Israeli occupation prisons." Al-Batsh was implying that the purpose of the tunnel was to facilitate the entry of Islamic Jihad terrorists into Israel, to kidnap Israelis who would then be used as hostages to force Israel to release prisoners.
At least seven members of the Islamic Jihad and Hamas terror organizations, including senior terrorist commanders, were killed in the explosion of the tunnel.

Instead of condemning the digging of the terror tunnel, Mahmoud Abbas's PA and Fatah chose to accuse Israel of using "poisonous gas" in breach of International law.

Oh my, so many terrorist cards.

They must be trying to sell something.

Oh, my. Such denial.

You must have been sold something.

I’m sure you don’t understand that the Arabs-Moslems posing as “Pal’istanisns” have become little more than Baghdad Bob wannabes.

 

[Hollie]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

The UN cannot establish borders. They do, however, reference existing borders.

Let me guess, you’re suggesting the UN recognizes the border of your invented “country of Pal’istan”?

It is only invented to Zionist propagandists.

Another of your Baghdad Bob’isms.

 

[JoelT1]

No history of “palestinians”

History of the Jewish People Dead Sea Scrolls – Cultural Institute

 

[JoelT1]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

The UN cannot establish borders. They do, however, reference existing borders.

Let me guess, you’re suggesting the UN recognizes the border of your invented “country of Pal’istan”?

It is only invented to Zionist propagandists.

Zionist Jesus King of the Jews. No history of “palestinians”

 

[JoelT1]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

The UN cannot establish borders. They do, however, reference existing borders.

Let me guess, you’re suggesting the UN recognizes the border of your invented “country of Pal’istan”?

It is only invented to Zionist propagandists.

Dean of Middle East historians: Palestine, invented Roman name for Jews’ land

 

[JoelT1]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

The UN cannot establish borders. They do, however, reference existing borders.

Let me guess, you’re suggesting the UN recognizes the border of your invented “country of Pal’istan”?

It is only invented to Zionist propagandists.

Eminent Muslim scholar: Palestine, Roman invention on Jews’ land

 

[JoelT1]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

The UN cannot establish borders. They do, however, reference existing borders.

Let me guess, you’re suggesting the UN recognizes the border of your invented “country of Pal’istan”?

It is only invented to Zionist propagandists.

Dean of Middle East historians: For Arabs, palestine was an invention

 

[JoelT1]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

The UN cannot establish borders. They do, however, reference existing borders.

Let me guess, you’re suggesting the UN recognizes the border of your invented “country of Pal’istan”?

It is only invented to Zionist propagandists.

Zionist Jesus King of Israel. “Palestine” doesn’t appear in the Bible as it didn’t exist

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,

That is a timeline issue...

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

(COMMENT)

• In the case of Jordan, there is 45 years difference between the Armistice Arrangement and the Treaty.
• In the case of Egypt, there s 30 years difference between the Armistice and the Armistice Arrangement and 'the Treaty.
※→ And finally, the name "Palestine" will be around for ever as a historical name of the Region (non-political subdivision).

Depending on the Time-frame and usage, the description "Palestine" may mean any one of a number variously shaped territorial entities.

The borders established by the Treaties are dependent on the mutual recognition of the parties of each other. In the case of Egypt: The Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt must recognize the Government of the State of Israel; and vice versa. That is done in the first sentence of Article II. Similarly with the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, must recognize the Government of the State of Israel (and vice versa) in Sentence 3 of Article 3 of the Treaty.

In both cases, what the UN said or did not say, is irrelevant to the Treaty between the two parties. The UN was not a party to the 1949 Armistice Arrangements and the UN was not a party to the Treaties.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[JoelT1]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

The UN cannot establish borders. They do, however, reference existing borders.

Let me guess, you’re suggesting the UN recognizes the border of your invented “country of Pal’istan”?

It is only invented to Zionist propagandists.

Koran: Children of Israel. “Palestine” doesn’t appear as it didn’t exist

 

[JoelT1]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,

That is a timeline issue...

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

(COMMENT)

• In the case of Jordan, there is 45 years difference between the Armistice Arrangement and the Treaty.
• In the case of Egypt, there s 30 years difference between the Armistice and the Armistice Arrangement and 'the Treaty.
※→ And finally, the name "Palestine" will be around for ever as a historical name of the Region (non-political subdivision).

Depending on the Time-frame and usage, the description "Palestine" may mean any one of a number variously shaped territorial entities.

The borders established by the Treaties are dependent on the mutual recognition of the parties of each other. In the case of Egypt: The Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt must recognize the Government of the State of Israel; and vice versa. That is done in the first sentence of Article II. Similarly with the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, must recognize the Government of the State of Israel (and vice versa) in Sentence 3 of Article 3 of the Treaty.

In both cases, what the UN said or did not say, is irrelevant to the Treaty between the two parties. The UN was not a party to the 1949 Armistice Arrangements and the UN was not a party to the Treaties.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine was a British invention named after the Roman invention of palestine imposed on ancient Israel

 

[Ventura77]

Please disprove Elhaik's evidence Shush...the argument you post is so ridiculously stupid that it begs raucous laughter...instead of saying "You are presenting false information." PROVE IT.

Okay. You DO know what DNA and genome study is, don't you? You know that the only thing it can possibly do is compare one population to another and see what commonalities they have, right? And you know that in order to compare groups of people -- there needs to be, well, you know, groups to compare. The claim you are supporting says that there has been a comparison of Ashkenazi Jews to Khazars and they are found to be similar. Here's the problem -- THERE ARE NO KHAZARS TO COMPARE TO. There is no way to make a comparison because there are no surviving, definitive group of Khazars with which to make a comparison. Therefore any correlation built between the Ashkenazi Jews and the Khazars is unfounded.

The Arab/Palestinians have rights derived from their tenure in Palestine, does this info penetrate that dense grey matter yet?

Not arguing that. I consistently support the rights of Arab Palestinians due to their long tenure in the territory.

...by contrast the fictive claims of the Zio-trash have zero legal validity...

The Jewish people also have a long tenure in the territory. Nearly four thousand years worth. Longer, in point of fact, than the Arabs. So why wouldn't the Jewish people ALSO have rights?

Is it because they were forcibly removed? Is it because there are no "real" Jews left? Why would the Jewish people not ALSO have rights?

Okay you do understand that DNA can be extracted from skeletal remains correct? What you post above is mere opinion--and or propaganda...it has no scientific value...find someone better educated to explain that Elhaik doesn't engage in hypothesis or theories---he offers proof! If you incorrectly believe that Jews with zero genetic relation to the ancient tribes have 'rights to the lands of Palestine present proof, your opinion is irrelevant...



Two human skeletons which were considered in this work, were obtained from two Khazar burial mounds in southern Russian steppes. The mounds, or kurgans, were typical Khazarian mounds surrounded by shallow square ritual ditches. Both burials are described in the literature (Ilyin, 1995; Parusimov, 1998; Glebov & Ivanov, 2007; Batieva, 2007). Both burials, named Kuteiniki II (mound 2, burial 1) and Talov II (mound 2, burial 1), are located in the South-East of the Rostov region on the left bank of Don river, about 70 kilometers from each other. The first was excavated in 1994, the second in 2004. The first burial was robbed in the past. The human skeleton belonged to a male of 40+ years old, the human bones were moved by the robbers, and the original burial position was uncertain. The burial was dated by the end of the VII to the beginning of the VIII century CE. The DNA sample obtained from the burial was assigned by the index 1251. The second burial was not robbed and was completely preserved. The human skeleton belonged to a male of 35 - 45 years old, positioned stretched on its back, the skull to the West. The burial was dated by the second half of the VIII to the beginning of the IX century CE. The DNA sample obtained from the burial was assigned by the index 1986. In the first half of the IX century kurgans with square ditches were seized to appear. The archaeological culture vanished. It seems that Khazars left the lower Don steppes during that time period; thus, Kuteiniki and Talovo burials mark early Khazar and late Khazar times, respectively, of their presence in the Don steppes. The DNA in both cases was extracted from teeth of the ancient skeletons. The teeth were cleaned and ground in a vibration mill, the DNA was isolated by phenol extraction, and other routine procedures were employed for quantitation of the isolated DNA, such as the polymerase chain reaction. In both cases the Y-chromosomal haplogroup of the ancient Khazars was identified as R1a, and the primers specific to SNP mutations R1a-Z280 and R1a-Z93 revealed that the both samples showed negative Z280 and positive Z93 mutations. Thus, both ancient Khazars’ DNA was interpreted to be of the R1a-Z93 “signature”. This is a very rare SNP in present-day ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and other Slavic male populations, approximately 50% of whom are estimated to carry the R1a haplogroup (www.eupedia; Rozhanskii & Klyosov, 2012). On the other hand, R1a-Z93 is very common in present-day Turkic-speaking peoples such as Caucasian Karachaevo-Balkars, also Tatars, Bashkirs, Kirgiz, and other populations who apparently descended from Scythians, and have their common ancestors in the R1a-Z93 subclade dated back to 1500 - 2500 years ago (Klyosov & Rozhanskii, 2012; Klyosov & Saidov, 2015). In addition to their haplogroups and subclades, Y-chromosome haplotypes were determined in samples 1251 and 1986. In the 20 marker format (DYS 393, 390, 19, 391, 385a, 385b, 439, 389-1, 392, 389-2–DYS 458, 447, 437, 448, 449, GATA H4, 456, 576, 438, 635), their haplotypes were as follows: A. A



Source:

Excavated DNA from Two Khazar Burials Anatole A. Klyosov1,2, Tatiana Faleeva3 1 The Academy of DNA Genealogy, Boston, USA 2 The Academy of DNA Genealogy, Moscow, Russia 3 The National Forensic Center, Rostov-on-Don, Russi

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

And again, your explanation is a stream of names that relate to a conflict a half century ago. A stream of names with no context.

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

Yeah yeah yeah, What particular crime by statute is IIsrael in violation?

Once again you are completely in error...Israel does not have 'territorial integrity' to the obvious extent that the state is a criminal occupier...

(COMMENT)

If Israel has no "territorial Integrity," (which would be great --- but damn incorrect) then that is all the better. I F Israel is contained holey with the territory formerly under the Mandate, T H E N the conflict between the Israelis and the Arab Palestinians takes on the complexion of a NIAC (Civil War) which by definition is a "Domestic Issues" (contained entirely in one jurisdiction).

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

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√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

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※ Special Note of applicability: Article V: Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements

Transitional period and permanent status negotiations:
1. The five-year transitional period will begin upon the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and Jericho area.

2. Permanent status negotiations will commence as soon as possible, but not later than the beginning of the third year of the interim period, between the Government of Israel and the Palestinian people's representatives.

3. It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and co-operation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest.

4. The two parties agree that the outcome of the permanent status negotiations should not be prejudiced or pre-empted by agreements reached for the interim period.
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you play the same blame game that is consciously wound through the spools of Zionist propaganda...to refer to the ridiculously unbalanced resistance of the Palestinians as 'terrorism' and the actions of Israel as legitimate is essentially to flip the roles of victims and aggressors.

(COMMENT)

Balanced -- Unbalanced makes no difference. Tactically speaking, I don't know what that means. What I do know is that since the establishment of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) historically there has been a escalating pattern of antisocial and criminal behavior perpetrated by the Palestinians --- premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against soft targets by subnational groups or by small cells of covert operators that engage in indiscriminate rocket launchings, psychopathic attacks on the defenseless, hijackings and skyjackings, kidnappings and murders, bombings, arson, and --- with growth in the expanding menu of attack options..

Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) Jihadist, Fedayeen Operators, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamist, and other Asymmetric fighters out to commit a level of violence in a coercive manner to achieve objectives that they were unable to achieve through peaceful means.

• Produce widesrpead fear
• Obtain worldwide, national, or local recognition for their cause by attracting the attention of the media
• Harass, weaken, or embarrass government security forces so that the the government overreacts and appears repressive
• Steal or extort money and equipment, especially weapons and ammunition vital to the operation of their group
• Destroy facilities or disrupt lines of communication in order to create doubt that the government can provide for and protect its citizens
• Discourage foreign investments, tourism, or assistance programs that can affect the target country's economy and support of the government in power
• Influence government decisions, legislation, or other critical decisions
• Free prisoners
• Satisfy vengeance

The Jews continue to brazenly steal Palestinian lands and build networks of illegal Jewish settlements---thereby deliberately inciting violence and the laughable claim that 'we Jews are under attack by Arab terrorists'...this argument will invariably go back to the documented public statements of leading 20th century Zionists, who were quite frank in their intent and its predicted consequences...

(COMMENT)

Are you absolutely sure that Israel is not operating withing the framework of the agreement. And if Israel was coloring outside the lines, would it have not been in the best interest of the HoAP to work through the Dispute Resolution Process? But the record show that the PLO did not bring this to the Dispute Process even once in all this time.

Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip

Chapter 2, Article XI 3c, Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip: "Area C" means areas of the West Bank outside Areas A and B, which, except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations, will be gradually transferred to Palestinian jurisdiction in accordance with this Agreement.

Chapter 2, Article XII 5: " For the purpose of this Agreement, "the Settlements" means, in the West Bank - the settlements in Area C; and in the Gaza Strip - the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas, as well as the other settlements in the Gaza Strip, as shown on attached map No. 2."
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Most Respectfully,
R

Rocky...I keep repeating the same stipulations which obliterate your circular argument...please familiarize yourself with the public statements of David Ben Gurion...Weitzman...Begin...Dayan...Rabin...Jabotinsky...etc

(COMMENT)

Public Statements of Men not a single one of which is still alive and not a single one of which has been in public office or made an significant public statement in ≈ three decades or more. Yes, anyone can go to www.brainyquote.com and get old political quotes. But old political quotes are not the same as current policy.

• Ze'ev Jabotinsky Lived: Oct 18, 1880 - Aug 04, 1940 (age 59) ---------- DIED 77 Years Ago
• Chaim Azriel Weizmann Lived: Nov 27, 1874 - Nov 09, 1952 (age 77) - DIED 65 Years Ago
• David Ben-Gurion Lived: Oct 16, 1886 - Dec 01, 1973 (age 87) -------- DIED 44 Years Ago
• Moshe Dayan Lived: May 20, 1915 - Oct 16, 1981 (age 66) -------------- DIED 36 Years Ago
• Menachem Begin Lived: Aug 16, 1913 - Mar 09, 1992 (age 78) --------- DIED 25 Years Ago
• Yitzhak Rabin Lived: Mar 01, 1922 - Nov 04, 1995 (age 73) -------------- DIED 22 Years Ago
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Not a single one of these leaders represents today's 21st Century Strategic Approach to the basic issues that persist as an item for permanent negotiation status.

The one fragment of the 21st Century baseline of today is paraphrased in the press article ‘We Do Not Apologize for Killing Terrorists’ By JNi.Media – October 31, 2017:

"We must not apologize for our success in eliminating terrorists,” Bennett Tweeted,
“These are terrorists who were digging a hellish tunnel into Israeli territory,
designed to kill Israeli women and children.”
----------------------------------------------------------- Minister of Education Naftali Bennett ​

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you honestly this dense Rocco? Do you deliberately miss the significance of these Zionist luminaries? It is completely irrelevant as to whether they are alive today...their public statements essentially support the argument of every critic of Zionism, and your entire argument is wiped away by their authority...does this register yet or shall I employ a set of IQ-appropriate crayon graphics?

 

[JoelT1]

No history of “palestinians”

History of the Jewish People