Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Ventura77]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

Curious question given the mistaken Zionist claim that Israel's putative borders were determined by 181...

 

[Hollie]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

Curious question given the mistaken Zionist claim that Israel's putative borders were determined by 181...

Even more curious is your nonsensical claim.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

I am not so naive as to think that over time, political positions and the conditions that molded them, are a constant.

Are you honestly this dense Rocco? Do you deliberately miss the significance of these? It is completely irrelevant as to whether they are alive today...their public statements essentially support the argument of every critic of Zionism, and your entire argument is wiped away by their authority...does this register yet or shall I employ a set of IQ-appropriate crayon graphics?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Community which had to address the Cleric and Muslims implicated as a leader of the 1920 Nebi Musa riots.

The Jewish Community in the day of the Palestinian Black Hand evolved to meet the new challenge. And still again, the Jewish Community faced the developing Arab Palestinian Leaders that sought an alliance with the Axis Powers, and organized anti-Semitic riots. And certainly, the badly mauled Jewish Community evolved and adapted to the post-War politics and the realities of the strong opposition.

The transition of the Jewish Community emerging from its embryonic state of development and into a 20th Century state demonstrated again the resilience of the Jewish Community and its ability to focus on the establishment of self-governing institutions.

______________________________________________________________________________
​

It is important to note that, unlike the Arab Palestinians, the Jewish Community understand the importance and value in looking forward, to be adaptive and far reaching.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

Not all Jewish People are Zionists.

Curious question given the mistaken Zionist claim that Israel's putative borders were determined by 181...

(COMMENT)

The UNSCOP Recommendation in A/RES/181 (II) is just that, a recommendation. I F the parties addressed follow these recommendations T H E N special considerations would be given.

F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS

When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,

That is a timeline issue...

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

(COMMENT)

• In the case of Jordan, there is 45 years difference between the Armistice Arrangement and the Treaty.
• In the case of Egypt, there s 30 years difference between the Armistice and the Armistice Arrangement and 'the Treaty.
※→ And finally, the name "Palestine" will be around for ever as a historical name of the Region (non-political subdivision).

Depending on the Time-frame and usage, the description "Palestine" may mean any one of a number variously shaped territorial entities.

The borders established by the Treaties are dependent on the mutual recognition of the parties of each other. In the case of Egypt: The Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt must recognize the Government of the State of Israel; and vice versa. That is done in the first sentence of Article II. Similarly with the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, must recognize the Government of the State of Israel (and vice versa) in Sentence 3 of Article 3 of the Treaty.

In both cases, what the UN said or did not say, is irrelevant to the Treaty between the two parties. The UN was not a party to the 1949 Armistice Arrangements and the UN was not a party to the Treaties.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are still dancing around the question.


Are you saying that international borders expire with time? That the right to territorial integrity expires with time?

Explain what you mean.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,

That is a timeline issue...

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

(COMMENT)

• In the case of Jordan, there is 45 years difference between the Armistice Arrangement and the Treaty.
• In the case of Egypt, there s 30 years difference between the Armistice and the Armistice Arrangement and 'the Treaty.
※→ And finally, the name "Palestine" will be around for ever as a historical name of the Region (non-political subdivision).

Depending on the Time-frame and usage, the description "Palestine" may mean any one of a number variously shaped territorial entities.

The borders established by the Treaties are dependent on the mutual recognition of the parties of each other. In the case of Egypt: The Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt must recognize the Government of the State of Israel; and vice versa. That is done in the first sentence of Article II. Similarly with the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, must recognize the Government of the State of Israel (and vice versa) in Sentence 3 of Article 3 of the Treaty.

In both cases, what the UN said or did not say, is irrelevant to the Treaty between the two parties. The UN was not a party to the 1949 Armistice Arrangements and the UN was not a party to the Treaties.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are still dancing around the question.


Are you saying that international borders expire with time? That the right to territorial integrity expires with time?

Explain what you mean.

What is being said, but the deaf are hard of hearing IS, that .....

Borders are decided by the two or three (or more) entities involved in the matter.

Jordan and Israel had a Peace treaty and agreed on what the borders of each would be amongst themselves.

Egypt and Israel had a Peace Treaty and agreed on what the borders of each would be amongst themselves.

WHEN, if truly ever, the Arab palestinians are ready for a real peace Treaty as the ones set by Jordan, Egypt and Israel.....then.....those will be the decided borders between them.

There is a de facto border between Israel and Gaza. When Hamas throws its charter into the garbage and gets real about giving a good life to all inhabitants in Gaza, and not just stealing anything and everything they can get their hands on.......THEN.......there will be decided borders between the two parties.

The same with the PA.

Dance on fool, because nothing which is clear to the UN and all interested, seems to ever get through to you.

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

Not all Jewish People are Zionists.

Curious question given the mistaken Zionist claim that Israel's putative borders were determined by 181...

(COMMENT)

The UNSCOP Recommendation in A/RES/181 (II) is just that, a recommendation. I F the parties addressed follow these recommendations T H E N special considerations would be given.

F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS

When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Here yet again we are confronted with an ideological strain of cognitive-dissonance: because no ( DEPENDENT ) Israel was in existence one cannot logically use the terminology INDEPENDENT ISRAEL...you cannot appear to grasp the significance of Zionist statements prior to and following the criminal declaration of statehood...the public statements categorically refute the propaganda vessel which follows...

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

I am not so naive as to think that over time, political positions and the conditions that molded them, are a constant.

Are you honestly this dense Rocco? Do you deliberately miss the significance of these? It is completely irrelevant as to whether they are alive today...their public statements essentially support the argument of every critic of Zionism, and your entire argument is wiped away by their authority...does this register yet or shall I employ a set of IQ-appropriate crayon graphics?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Community which had to address the Cleric and Muslims implicated as a leader of the 1920 Nebi Musa riots.

The Jewish Community in the day of the Palestinian Black Hand evolved to meet the new challenge. And still again, the Jewish Community faced the developing Arab Palestinian Leaders that sought an alliance with the Axis Powers, and organized anti-Semitic riots. And certainly, the badly mauled Jewish Community evolved and adapted to the post-War politics and the realities of the strong opposition.

The transition of the Jewish Community emerging from its embryonic state of development and into a 20th Century state demonstrated again the resilience of the Jewish Community and its ability to focus on the establishment of self-governing institutions.

______________________________________________________________________________
​

It is important to note that, unlike the Arab Palestinians, the Jewish Community understand the importance and value in looking forward, to be adaptive and far reaching.

Most Respectfully,
R

Once again you embrace self-delusions: The Zionist Jews plotted to conquer Historic Palestine and conduct mass-expulsions, property and land theft, murder and criminal occupation---these are the professed values upon which the modern state of Israel was founded...it is no small wonder that the scale and resonance of the reality essentially determines the aggressive, delusional nature of the revised claims---all of which lie in stark contradiction to the stated aims and implementation of the Zionist plan...HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Ventura77]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

Curious question given the mistaken Zionist claim that Israel's putative borders were determined by 181...

Even more curious is your nonsensical claim.

Yet another devastating refutation...how can we mere mortals ever hope to tangle successfully with intellectual giants such as Hokum-Hollie and Windy-Indie the feces king...????????

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

I am not so naive as to think that over time, political positions and the conditions that molded them, are a constant.

Are you honestly this dense Rocco? Do you deliberately miss the significance of these? It is completely irrelevant as to whether they are alive today...their public statements essentially support the argument of every critic of Zionism, and your entire argument is wiped away by their authority...does this register yet or shall I employ a set of IQ-appropriate crayon graphics?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Community which had to address the Cleric and Muslims implicated as a leader of the 1920 Nebi Musa riots.

The Jewish Community in the day of the Palestinian Black Hand evolved to meet the new challenge. And still again, the Jewish Community faced the developing Arab Palestinian Leaders that sought an alliance with the Axis Powers, and organized anti-Semitic riots. And certainly, the badly mauled Jewish Community evolved and adapted to the post-War politics and the realities of the strong opposition.

The transition of the Jewish Community emerging from its embryonic state of development and into a 20th Century state demonstrated again the resilience of the Jewish Community and its ability to focus on the establishment of self-governing institutions.

______________________________________________________________________________
​

It is important to note that, unlike the Arab Palestinians, the Jewish Community understand the importance and value in looking forward, to be adaptive and far reaching.

Most Respectfully,
R

Once again you embrace self-delusions: The Zionist Jews plotted to conquer Historic Palestine and conduct mass-expulsions, property and land theft, murder and criminal occupation---these are the professed values upon which the modern state of Israel was founded...it is no small wonder that the scale and resonance of the reality essentially determines the aggressive, delusional nature of the revised claims---all of which lie in stark contradiction to the stated aims and implementation of the Zionist plan...HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Wow. That sloppy, incoherent and factually deficient tirade was among your more egregious violations of what we call "Louie'isms."

 

[Hollie]

But, the territorial integrity, at least as the West Bank and Gaza Strip Hostile Arab Palestinians are concerned are established by Treaty:

√ Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel (the "Parties")

√ Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel (the "Parties)

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.
The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
---------------------
(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions...
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

So, how does Israel claim borders on territory that the UN calls Palestine?

When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?

Curious question given the mistaken Zionist claim that Israel's putative borders were determined by 181...

Even more curious is your nonsensical claim.

Yet another devastating refutation...how can we mere mortals ever hope to tangle successfully with intellectual giants such as Hokum-Hollie and Windy-Indie the feces king...????????

Another frantic tirade where you're reduced to childish name-calling and your usual vulgarities.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

Not all Jewish People are Zionists.

Curious question given the mistaken Zionist claim that Israel's putative borders were determined by 181...

(COMMENT)

The UNSCOP Recommendation in A/RES/181 (II) is just that, a recommendation. I F the parties addressed follow these recommendations T H E N special considerations would be given.

F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS

When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Here yet again we are confronted with an ideological strain of cognitive-dissonance: because no ( DEPENDENT ) Israel was in existence one cannot logically use the terminology INDEPENDENT ISRAEL...you cannot appear to grasp the significance of Zionist statements prior to and following the criminal declaration of statehood...the public statements categorically refute the propaganda vessel which follows...

Are you telling us that the UN is a criminal organization?

Because it was that very same United Nations, which agreed for Israel to become Independent and declare that Independence in the absence of the Arabs also accepting the Partition of 1947

Either the UN organization IS responsible to accepting which places can become new countries and be welcomed to the UN, as Israel was, or it is not.

The Mandate for Palestine was the same as the other three Mandates. Created to help those separate areas become countries with their own infrastructure, government, etc.

Iraq and Syria and Lebanon achieved that in the 30s.
If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland, unlike the Hashemites who took over 78% of
the Jewish homeland which was part of the Mandate for a Jewish Home/State, than NONE of those countries has a right to exist.

All of them must be dissolved.
And then what?

Is it time for the Kurds to finally have their independent country, where they have always been, or are the Arabs and Turks going to continue to fight them and call the Kurds "terrorists" because they are fighting legally and any other way to become independent from Iraq and Turkey, for now?

Or do the Kurds not have any rights and must be under Sunny or Shia Arab power, and terrorism, for as long as the Arab and Turkish leaders decide it should go on?

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

Not all Jewish People are Zionists.

Curious question given the mistaken Zionist claim that Israel's putative borders were determined by 181...

(COMMENT)

The UNSCOP Recommendation in A/RES/181 (II) is just that, a recommendation. I F the parties addressed follow these recommendations T H E N special considerations would be given.

F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS

When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Here yet again we are confronted with an ideological strain of cognitive-dissonance: because no ( DEPENDENT ) Israel was in existence one cannot logically use the terminology INDEPENDENT ISRAEL...you cannot appear to grasp the significance of Zionist statements prior to and following the criminal declaration of statehood...the public statements categorically refute the propaganda vessel which follows...

Are you telling us that the UN is a criminal organization?

Because it was that very same United Nations, which agreed for Israel to become Independent and declare that Independence in the absence of the Arabs also accepting the Partition of 1947

Either the UN organization IS responsible to accepting which places can become new countries and be welcomed to the UN, as Israel was, or it is not.

The Mandate for Palestine was the same as the other three Mandates. Created to help those separate areas become countries with their own infrastructure, government, etc.

Iraq and Syria and Lebanon achieved that in the 30s.
If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland, unlike the Hashemites who took over 78% of
the Jewish homeland which was part of the Mandate for a Jewish Home/State, than NONE of those countries has a right to exist.

All of them must be dissolved.
And then what?

Is it time for the Kurds to finally have their independent country, where they have always been, or are the Arabs and Turks going to continue to fight them and call the Kurds "terrorists" because they are fighting legally and any other way to become independent from Iraq and Turkey, for now?

Or do the Kurds not have any rights and must be under Sunny or Shia Arab power, and terrorism, for as long as the Arab and Turkish leaders decide it should go on?

Wrong again dummy...the UN sponsored a ridiculously one-sided partition plan which proposed to cede 56% of Palestine to a Jewish minority that legally owned less than 5% of the lands...the recommendation was rightly voted down by the Arab States and India...when the organization later granted 'recognition' to the illegally established state of Israel the UN violated the letter and spirit of its own Charter, sworn to protect the property rights of native peoples. You next invoke this ridiculous sentence:

"If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland"

Here again your ignorance leads...Ashkenazi Jews have no genetic relation to the ancient Hebrews, therefore they cannot 're-claim a homeland' which never belonged to them...your argument is with those Zionist leaders and politicians who plotted to steal the lands...

 

[Hollie]

It's ironic that the Islamic terrorists in Fatah would include "No pride in Colonialism..." in their Facebook page when Islamic colonialism defines the history of Islamism.


Fatah Facebook post commemorating Balfour Declaration with image of bloody hand: “No Pride in Colonialism” - Denying Israel's right to exist | PMW

Fatah Facebook post commemorating Balfour Declaration with image of bloody hand: “No Pride in Colonialism”
Official Fatah Facebook page - Oct. 31, 2017

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

Not all Jewish People are Zionists.

Curious question given the mistaken Zionist claim that Israel's putative borders were determined by 181...

(COMMENT)

The UNSCOP Recommendation in A/RES/181 (II) is just that, a recommendation. I F the parties addressed follow these recommendations T H E N special considerations would be given.

F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS

When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Here yet again we are confronted with an ideological strain of cognitive-dissonance: because no ( DEPENDENT ) Israel was in existence one cannot logically use the terminology INDEPENDENT ISRAEL...you cannot appear to grasp the significance of Zionist statements prior to and following the criminal declaration of statehood...the public statements categorically refute the propaganda vessel which follows...

Are you telling us that the UN is a criminal organization?

Because it was that very same United Nations, which agreed for Israel to become Independent and declare that Independence in the absence of the Arabs also accepting the Partition of 1947

Either the UN organization IS responsible to accepting which places can become new countries and be welcomed to the UN, as Israel was, or it is not.

The Mandate for Palestine was the same as the other three Mandates. Created to help those separate areas become countries with their own infrastructure, government, etc.

Iraq and Syria and Lebanon achieved that in the 30s.
If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland, unlike the Hashemites who took over 78% of
the Jewish homeland which was part of the Mandate for a Jewish Home/State, than NONE of those countries has a right to exist.

All of them must be dissolved.
And then what?

Is it time for the Kurds to finally have their independent country, where they have always been, or are the Arabs and Turks going to continue to fight them and call the Kurds "terrorists" because they are fighting legally and any other way to become independent from Iraq and Turkey, for now?

Or do the Kurds not have any rights and must be under Sunny or Shia Arab power, and terrorism, for as long as the Arab and Turkish leaders decide it should go on?

Wrong again dummy...the UN sponsored a ridiculously one-sided partition plan which proposed to cede 56% of Palestine to a Jewish minority that legally owned less than 5% of the lands...the recommendation was rightly voted down by the Arab States and India...when the organization later granted 'recognition' to the illegally established state of Israel the UN violated the letter and spirit of its own Charter, sworn to protect the property rights of native peoples. You next invoke this ridiculous sentence:

"If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland"

Here again your ignorance leads...Ashkenazi Jews have no genetic relation to the ancient Hebrews, therefore they cannot 're-claim a homeland' which never belonged to them...your argument is with those Zionist leaders and politicians who plotted to steal the lands...

Guess What !!!!!

The VICTORS of WWI made the decisions.
Why? Because they were the victors.
The Arabs had no say, except to agree to live in peace with the Jews under Jewish Sovereignty.
Just as the Kurds, Yazidis, Assyrians, etc have had to live under Arab Muslim sovereignty.
Same UN.

The Jews earned recreating sovereignty over their ancient homeland the LEGAL way, you accept Jewish rights or not.

The Ashenazi Jews ARE descendants of the 12 tribes. You accept it or not.

No Jew in their right mind, and there are very few who are out of their minds, would agree that Israel has no right to exist.

You lose with the Ashkenazi Jews.
You lose with the Mizrahi Jews.
You lose with the Sepharadic Jews.

And that makes basically MOST of the 15 Million Jews on the planet.

Jews agreed to allow the Hashemites to truly steal 78 % of their ancient homeland, then.....there is nothing else that the Arabs have to belly ache about.
They now have 80% of the ancient Jewish Homeland.

They wish to undo it and return most if not all of the land to the rightful owners, the Jewish Nation, the Jewish Nation will be more than happy to accept all of that land back.

Am Israel Chai !

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

Not all Jewish People are Zionists.

Curious question given the mistaken Zionist claim that Israel's putative borders were determined by 181...

(COMMENT)

The UNSCOP Recommendation in A/RES/181 (II) is just that, a recommendation. I F the parties addressed follow these recommendations T H E N special considerations would be given.

F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS

When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Here yet again we are confronted with an ideological strain of cognitive-dissonance: because no ( DEPENDENT ) Israel was in existence one cannot logically use the terminology INDEPENDENT ISRAEL...you cannot appear to grasp the significance of Zionist statements prior to and following the criminal declaration of statehood...the public statements categorically refute the propaganda vessel which follows...

Are you telling us that the UN is a criminal organization?

Because it was that very same United Nations, which agreed for Israel to become Independent and declare that Independence in the absence of the Arabs also accepting the Partition of 1947

Either the UN organization IS responsible to accepting which places can become new countries and be welcomed to the UN, as Israel was, or it is not.

The Mandate for Palestine was the same as the other three Mandates. Created to help those separate areas become countries with their own infrastructure, government, etc.

Iraq and Syria and Lebanon achieved that in the 30s.
If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland, unlike the Hashemites who took over 78% of
the Jewish homeland which was part of the Mandate for a Jewish Home/State, than NONE of those countries has a right to exist.

All of them must be dissolved.
And then what?

Is it time for the Kurds to finally have their independent country, where they have always been, or are the Arabs and Turks going to continue to fight them and call the Kurds "terrorists" because they are fighting legally and any other way to become independent from Iraq and Turkey, for now?

Or do the Kurds not have any rights and must be under Sunny or Shia Arab power, and terrorism, for as long as the Arab and Turkish leaders decide it should go on?

Wrong again dummy...the UN sponsored a ridiculously one-sided partition plan which proposed to cede 56% of Palestine to a Jewish minority that legally owned less than 5% of the lands...the recommendation was rightly voted down by the Arab States and India...when the organization later granted 'recognition' to the illegally established state of Israel the UN violated the letter and spirit of its own Charter, sworn to protect the property rights of native peoples. You next invoke this ridiculous sentence:

"If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland"

Here again your ignorance leads...Ashkenazi Jews have no genetic relation to the ancient Hebrews, therefore they cannot 're-claim a homeland' which never belonged to them...your argument is with those Zionist leaders and politicians who plotted to steal the lands...

Your tirades are as usual, pointless and time wasting.

Turkey Transfers Ottoman Land Records to Palestinian Authority

The PA had requested the records to support Palestinian land claims prior to British takeover.
read more: Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority


From the attached link:

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Ever since 1948, Palestinian institutions dealing with the refugee issue have been trying to obtain accurate records on the land and property that were lost when Israel was established. This effort has gained steam in recent years, but no Palestinian institution has come close to collecting all the relevant data. One reason for the lackadaisical effort may be the Palestinians' understanding that the data has little practical value other than for public relations. At most, it will be used in the bargaining over compensation for refugees, if and when such negotiations take place

read more: Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority

 

[Ventura77]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

Not all Jewish People are Zionists.

Curious question given the mistaken Zionist claim that Israel's putative borders were determined by 181...

(COMMENT)

The UNSCOP Recommendation in A/RES/181 (II) is just that, a recommendation. I F the parties addressed follow these recommendations T H E N special considerations would be given.

F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS

When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Here yet again we are confronted with an ideological strain of cognitive-dissonance: because no ( DEPENDENT ) Israel was in existence one cannot logically use the terminology INDEPENDENT ISRAEL...you cannot appear to grasp the significance of Zionist statements prior to and following the criminal declaration of statehood...the public statements categorically refute the propaganda vessel which follows...

Are you telling us that the UN is a criminal organization?

Because it was that very same United Nations, which agreed for Israel to become Independent and declare that Independence in the absence of the Arabs also accepting the Partition of 1947

Either the UN organization IS responsible to accepting which places can become new countries and be welcomed to the UN, as Israel was, or it is not.

The Mandate for Palestine was the same as the other three Mandates. Created to help those separate areas become countries with their own infrastructure, government, etc.

Iraq and Syria and Lebanon achieved that in the 30s.
If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland, unlike the Hashemites who took over 78% of
the Jewish homeland which was part of the Mandate for a Jewish Home/State, than NONE of those countries has a right to exist.

All of them must be dissolved.
And then what?

Is it time for the Kurds to finally have their independent country, where they have always been, or are the Arabs and Turks going to continue to fight them and call the Kurds "terrorists" because they are fighting legally and any other way to become independent from Iraq and Turkey, for now?

Or do the Kurds not have any rights and must be under Sunny or Shia Arab power, and terrorism, for as long as the Arab and Turkish leaders decide it should go on?

Wrong again dummy...the UN sponsored a ridiculously one-sided partition plan which proposed to cede 56% of Palestine to a Jewish minority that legally owned less than 5% of the lands...the recommendation was rightly voted down by the Arab States and India...when the organization later granted 'recognition' to the illegally established state of Israel the UN violated the letter and spirit of its own Charter, sworn to protect the property rights of native peoples. You next invoke this ridiculous sentence:

"If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland"

Here again your ignorance leads...Ashkenazi Jews have no genetic relation to the ancient Hebrews, therefore they cannot 're-claim a homeland' which never belonged to them...your argument is with those Zionist leaders and politicians who plotted to steal the lands...

Guess What !!!!!

The VICTORS of WWI made the decisions.
Why? Because they were the victors.
The Arabs had no say, except to agree to live in peace with the Jews under Jewish Sovereignty.
Just as the Kurds, Yazidis, Assyrians, etc have had to live under Arab Muslim sovereignty.
Same UN.

The Jews earned recreating sovereignty over their ancient homeland the LEGAL way, you accept Jewish rights or not.

The Ashenazi Jews ARE descendants of the 12 tribes. You accept it or not.

No Jew in their right mind, and there are very few who are out of their minds, would agree that Israel has no right to exist.

You lose with the Ashkenazi Jews.
You lose with the Mizrahi Jews.
You lose with the Sepharadic Jews.

And that makes basically MOST of the 15 Million Jews on the planet.

Jews agreed to allow the Hashemites to truly steal 78 % of their ancient homeland, then.....there is nothing else that the Arabs have to belly ache about.
They now have 80% of the ancient Jewish Homeland.

They wish to undo it and return most if not all of the land to the rightful owners, the Jewish Nation, the Jewish Nation will be more than happy to accept all of that land back.

Am Israel Chai !

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet another ( F-student ) of Mid-east history...you idiots just seem to yank replies right out of your ass don't you? Your assertions are so demonstrably, pathetically void of proof or substance that the only reaction I can manage is sheer laughter...to call you stupid would miss the mark by a mile...

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Ventura77, et al,

Not all Jewish People are Zionists.

(COMMENT)

The UNSCOP Recommendation in A/RES/181 (II) is just that, a recommendation. I F the parties addressed follow these recommendations T H E N special considerations would be given.

F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS

When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Here yet again we are confronted with an ideological strain of cognitive-dissonance: because no ( DEPENDENT ) Israel was in existence one cannot logically use the terminology INDEPENDENT ISRAEL...you cannot appear to grasp the significance of Zionist statements prior to and following the criminal declaration of statehood...the public statements categorically refute the propaganda vessel which follows...

Are you telling us that the UN is a criminal organization?

Because it was that very same United Nations, which agreed for Israel to become Independent and declare that Independence in the absence of the Arabs also accepting the Partition of 1947

Either the UN organization IS responsible to accepting which places can become new countries and be welcomed to the UN, as Israel was, or it is not.

The Mandate for Palestine was the same as the other three Mandates. Created to help those separate areas become countries with their own infrastructure, government, etc.

Iraq and Syria and Lebanon achieved that in the 30s.
If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland, unlike the Hashemites who took over 78% of
the Jewish homeland which was part of the Mandate for a Jewish Home/State, than NONE of those countries has a right to exist.

All of them must be dissolved.
And then what?

Is it time for the Kurds to finally have their independent country, where they have always been, or are the Arabs and Turks going to continue to fight them and call the Kurds "terrorists" because they are fighting legally and any other way to become independent from Iraq and Turkey, for now?

Or do the Kurds not have any rights and must be under Sunny or Shia Arab power, and terrorism, for as long as the Arab and Turkish leaders decide it should go on?

Wrong again dummy...the UN sponsored a ridiculously one-sided partition plan which proposed to cede 56% of Palestine to a Jewish minority that legally owned less than 5% of the lands...the recommendation was rightly voted down by the Arab States and India...when the organization later granted 'recognition' to the illegally established state of Israel the UN violated the letter and spirit of its own Charter, sworn to protect the property rights of native peoples. You next invoke this ridiculous sentence:

"If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland"

Here again your ignorance leads...Ashkenazi Jews have no genetic relation to the ancient Hebrews, therefore they cannot 're-claim a homeland' which never belonged to them...your argument is with those Zionist leaders and politicians who plotted to steal the lands...

Guess What !!!!!

The VICTORS of WWI made the decisions.
Why? Because they were the victors.
The Arabs had no say, except to agree to live in peace with the Jews under Jewish Sovereignty.
Just as the Kurds, Yazidis, Assyrians, etc have had to live under Arab Muslim sovereignty.
Same UN.

The Jews earned recreating sovereignty over their ancient homeland the LEGAL way, you accept Jewish rights or not.

The Ashenazi Jews ARE descendants of the 12 tribes. You accept it or not.

No Jew in their right mind, and there are very few who are out of their minds, would agree that Israel has no right to exist.

You lose with the Ashkenazi Jews.
You lose with the Mizrahi Jews.
You lose with the Sepharadic Jews.

And that makes basically MOST of the 15 Million Jews on the planet.

Jews agreed to allow the Hashemites to truly steal 78 % of their ancient homeland, then.....there is nothing else that the Arabs have to belly ache about.
They now have 80% of the ancient Jewish Homeland.

They wish to undo it and return most if not all of the land to the rightful owners, the Jewish Nation, the Jewish Nation will be more than happy to accept all of that land back.

Am Israel Chai !

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet another ( F-student ) of Mid-east history...you idiots just seem to yank replies right out of your ass don't you? Your assertions are so demonstrably, pathetically void of proof or substance that the only reaction I can manage is sheer laughter...to call you stupid would miss the mark by a mile...

Thank you hyena, we do thank you.

You keep on howling to the moon and laughing to it as well.

Israel and the Jews understand your language very well, and always will.

Never Again !

Am Israel Chai !

 

[Ventura77]

It's ironic that the Islamic terrorists in Fatah would include "No pride in Colonialism..." in their Facebook page when Islamic colonialism defines the history of Islamism.


Fatah Facebook post commemorating Balfour Declaration with image of bloody hand: “No Pride in Colonialism” - Denying Israel's right to exist | PMW

Fatah Facebook post commemorating Balfour Declaration with image of bloody hand: “No Pride in Colonialism”
Official Fatah Facebook page - Oct. 31, 2017

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your absolute brilliance has left me once again without a sufficient reply...I beg you to consider mercy...how can we poor, empty-handed critics of Israel hope to leverage any points against such demonstrable brilliance as this? sniff...sniff...I hate you

 

[Ventura77]

Here yet again we are confronted with an ideological strain of cognitive-dissonance: because no ( DEPENDENT ) Israel was in existence one cannot logically use the terminology INDEPENDENT ISRAEL...you cannot appear to grasp the significance of Zionist statements prior to and following the criminal declaration of statehood...the public statements categorically refute the propaganda vessel which follows...

Are you telling us that the UN is a criminal organization?

Because it was that very same United Nations, which agreed for Israel to become Independent and declare that Independence in the absence of the Arabs also accepting the Partition of 1947

Either the UN organization IS responsible to accepting which places can become new countries and be welcomed to the UN, as Israel was, or it is not.

The Mandate for Palestine was the same as the other three Mandates. Created to help those separate areas become countries with their own infrastructure, government, etc.

Iraq and Syria and Lebanon achieved that in the 30s.
If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland, unlike the Hashemites who took over 78% of
the Jewish homeland which was part of the Mandate for a Jewish Home/State, than NONE of those countries has a right to exist.

All of them must be dissolved.
And then what?

Is it time for the Kurds to finally have their independent country, where they have always been, or are the Arabs and Turks going to continue to fight them and call the Kurds "terrorists" because they are fighting legally and any other way to become independent from Iraq and Turkey, for now?

Or do the Kurds not have any rights and must be under Sunny or Shia Arab power, and terrorism, for as long as the Arab and Turkish leaders decide it should go on?

Wrong again dummy...the UN sponsored a ridiculously one-sided partition plan which proposed to cede 56% of Palestine to a Jewish minority that legally owned less than 5% of the lands...the recommendation was rightly voted down by the Arab States and India...when the organization later granted 'recognition' to the illegally established state of Israel the UN violated the letter and spirit of its own Charter, sworn to protect the property rights of native peoples. You next invoke this ridiculous sentence:

"If Israel does not have the right to be an independent State on its own ancient homeland"

Here again your ignorance leads...Ashkenazi Jews have no genetic relation to the ancient Hebrews, therefore they cannot 're-claim a homeland' which never belonged to them...your argument is with those Zionist leaders and politicians who plotted to steal the lands...

Guess What !!!!!

The VICTORS of WWI made the decisions.
Why? Because they were the victors.
The Arabs had no say, except to agree to live in peace with the Jews under Jewish Sovereignty.
Just as the Kurds, Yazidis, Assyrians, etc have had to live under Arab Muslim sovereignty.
Same UN.

The Jews earned recreating sovereignty over their ancient homeland the LEGAL way, you accept Jewish rights or not.

The Ashenazi Jews ARE descendants of the 12 tribes. You accept it or not.

No Jew in their right mind, and there are very few who are out of their minds, would agree that Israel has no right to exist.

You lose with the Ashkenazi Jews.
You lose with the Mizrahi Jews.
You lose with the Sepharadic Jews.

And that makes basically MOST of the 15 Million Jews on the planet.

Jews agreed to allow the Hashemites to truly steal 78 % of their ancient homeland, then.....there is nothing else that the Arabs have to belly ache about.
They now have 80% of the ancient Jewish Homeland.

They wish to undo it and return most if not all of the land to the rightful owners, the Jewish Nation, the Jewish Nation will be more than happy to accept all of that land back.

Am Israel Chai !

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet another ( F-student ) of Mid-east history...you idiots just seem to yank replies right out of your ass don't you? Your assertions are so demonstrably, pathetically void of proof or substance that the only reaction I can manage is sheer laughter...to call you stupid would miss the mark by a mile...

Thank you hyena, we do thank you.

You keep on howling to the moon and laughing to it as well.

Israel and the Jews understand your language very well, and always will.

Never Again !

Am Israel Chai !

'Sixties'...I almost feel a sense of gratitude because every time I post a comment to you the reply is not only predictable to the point of verbatim anticipation...but in addition your child-like indignation and pugnacious idiocy essentially make my point for me to the extent that any obligation to answer you is futile...if I laugh any harder I fear a blood vessel rupture...