Why I Could Never Be GOP or Libertarian

[sealybobo]

Not all overheated political rhetoric is alike. Delusional right-wing crazy talk — the kind of ranting we’ve heard recently from washed-up rock star Ted Nugent and Tea Party-backed Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) — is a special kind of poison that cannot be safely ignored. Not to mention Sarah Palin.

The extreme language we hear from the far right is much different from the extreme language we hear from the far left — and far more damaging to the ties that bind us as a nation.

Nugent promise that “if Barack Obama becomes the president in November again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”

Nugent compared the Obama administration to a bunch of “coyotes in your living room” who deserve to be shot. Nugent ended by exhorting his listeners: “We are Braveheart. We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November. any questions?”

No, I think he made himself quite clear.

Vile? Evil? America-hating? Nugent doesn’t just characterize those with different political views as misguided or wrong. He seeks to paint them as alien and anti-American — as enemies of this nation, rather than citizens with whom he disagrees. In a subsequent interview, Nugent called Nancy Pelosi a “sub-human scoundrel” and referred to liberals as cockroaches to “stomp” in November.

This is what distinguishes the flame-throwers of the far right from those of the far left. Nugent and his ilk seek to deny their political opponents the very right to believe in a different philosophy. Agree with me, he says, or be stomped.

It would be one thing if this sort of vicious intolerance came only from aging rockers whose brains may have been scrambled by all those high-decibel performances. But it comes, too, from an elected member of the House of Representatives.

At a town hall meeting last week in Palm City, Fla., West was asked how many Marxists there are in Congress. He replied, “I believe there’s about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party who are members of the Communist Party.” That is, of course, a bald-faced lie. There are no communists in Congress.

West can’t really believe this nonsense. What he’s trying to do is delegitimize the entire stream of progressive thought that has run wide and deep through American history since the nation’s founding. Disagree with his views, West insists, and you’re not just a political opponent, you’re a godless Marxist.

Republicans have been doing this for decades. Brainwashing.

There is no symmetry here. The far left may hurl insults at the right but doesn’t scream “fascism” whenever a Republican proposes privatizing Medicare.

Does Romney agree with Ted and Mr. Keys? Does Boehner? Do you?

Republican rhetoric that damages the nation - The Washington Post

Hello pot...This is kettle...Guess what? You're black.
Cut the shit Boo Boo...Both ideologies have their fringe.
Please spare me the brainwashing bullshit. Liberals have a practical monopoly on indoctrination in higher education. This has trickled down via the teachers of our children who with their liberal bias, are busily indoctrinating our kids to liberalism.
All the nonsense we see in public schools. Political correctness, the shunning of any mention of Christianity while other religious are studied or even celebrated. The introduction and subsequent failure of outcome based education. The Dumbing down of educational standards. Banning competitive aspects of studies. Some school districts have eliminated grades for fear of offending poor students. Self esteem...(UGH!!!!)..The banning of critical thinking and replacing it with memorization and regurgitation in order to prepare kids for standardized tests.
Now you have the gall to post a link ot an opinion piece in attempt to pass it off as fact.
Look genius, just because some scribe who is ill equipped to report hard news decides to spew his opinion, you accept it as the gospel and expect us to follow along.
LOSER!!!!

I liked your reply adn was going to tell you up until you called me a loser.

Yes we do have a monopoly on higher education. That should tell you something brother.

I thank God for the liberal America I live in. I thank God the North won the Civil War. But it seems like the south never really got over it. We decided long ago to allow unions and abortion and the GOP seem to be bringing up fights they already lost a long time ago. Or social security and medicare. 70% of us like it. What's the deal? Stop attacking them GOP.

And all you have to do is understand Citizens United to understand the GOP only works for the rich. Or undestand ALEC. Or know who the Koch brothers are.

If you feel these things are good for you, by all means vote GOP.

 

[sealybobo]

HUGE reason I could never vote GOP

Few if any of the Christian at The Awakening conference said they would name Mitt Romney as their first choice for president. But whether they are worried about his politics or his Mormon religion, many said the former Massachusetts governor is a better choice than President Barack Obama.

"This is the most important election in our lifetime," said Matt Barber, vice president of Liberty Counsel Action,

A vocal critic of Romney who remains "skeptical" of the presumptive Republican nominee, Barber said he was putting aside his reservations because the person elected in 2012 will likely name two or three justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. "For that reason alone, to have Barack Obama re-elected is simply not an option. He has already appointed two radical, secular, socialist justices," Barber said.

Christian Conservatives At Florida Revival Are Lukewarm For Mitt Romney

I completely disagree with this wack job Barber. If he can say this with a straight face even after Alito, Roberts, Thomas & Scalia passed Citizens United, he's nothing but a pro life nut job who wants to overturn roe v wade.

 

[Liability]

silly bozo is right. He could never be a Republican.

It would require intelligence and not being a mindless sheep.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You Republicans refuse to believe that a good uncorrupted government can improve your lives just like a bad one can negatively affect your standard of living..

I'm not sure that's true. I don't speak for Republicans, but most folks speaking up for limited government recognize that government can be used to 'improve our lives' a great deal. We just don't think it should be. The idea that government should be used for that purpose is problematic because we all have different ideas about what it means to improve our lives. It makes more sense to me to use government to protect our freedom to improve our own lives.

We as a society ageed long ago that social security and medicare improve the vast majority of Americans lives. If you disagree, you are in the minority.

And oil companies should be regulated by our government. If not, $4 gas. And rich people should be paying their fair share. If our government doesn't raise their taxes, they shift the tax burden more on us. They can improve our lives by making the rich pay their fair share.

And we want single payer universal healthcare. In other words, let us buy into what Seniors and Politicians have. If its good enough for them, its good enough for us. Have it to compete against the healthcare monopolies. You think governments should stay out of it and let the oil companies gouge us and let the corporations send all our manufacturing jobs overseas? Just stand by and watch?

We think that insurance companies should cover pre existing conditions. Your government just improved your life by making that mandatory.

If our government doesn't insist, the corporations don't give.

You don't think it is government's job to improve our lives? Ok

Good schools, roads, bridges, teachers, police and firefighters make a decent living, medicare, medicaid, welfare, foodstamps, social security, a post office, parks and recreation, planned parenthood, scholarships for poor kids, regulate corporations from polluting in our lakes, rivers, streams, investing in vaccine research and alternative energy, space exploration, regulating trade so the American workers aren't pitted against Chinese, mexican and Indian labor, passing a minimum wage, labor laws, legalizing unions, civil rights laws,

I know a Republican who hates Planned Parenthood because he's pro life and he doesn't care how much it helps single mothers. But then he tells me about the scholarship his single mother got to send him to a private catholic school. He benefitted from the very programs that he now wants to cut. Selfish asshole.

Fact is, the Bush tax cuts were never supposed to be permenant. Do you understand that? If that is true, why are they crying that they are about to expire? Do you remember when they passed the Bush tax cuts? You got $500 and Romney got $500K? They were supposed to work. That was the argument for passing them. They didn't work. Strike two on the Bush tax breaks. We're broke. Strike 3.

Wrong....Social security which many people refer to as "old age pension" was NEVER meant to be something one which to live. It was intended to be a supplement. Unfortunately, the way SS was set up( ponzi scheme) With the recipients being paid off by current workers was doomed to fail from the get go. The main reason is there too many people feeding from the trough who did not help to fill the trough.
Medicare...pretty much the same deal.
Giving government more of our hard earned money benefits no one but politicians. You've been asked many times what benefit would result by shoving more cash into the hands of Washington politicians. So far all we've heard are crickets.
In both cases, both programs went from being benefits to what they are today. Taxes. Yes they are each a tax because our elected officials in Washington choose to take the money we pay as part of our payroll deductions for these things and use the money for whatever pleases them The idea is that the money will be replaced by present and future workers.
It's like this.. "Oh don't worry about it. We'll take the money and put it back later on and no one will notice it was missing."....
We agreed to nothing that resembles what is being done with OUR money, today.
Oil companies as are most other businesses ARE regulated by the government. And please stop the nonsense. You did not mean "regulated" you really want the oil business to be turned under the control of the federal government. You have this belief that with a wave of a magic wand, government can just ....POOF!! Set the price of gasoline. Yer kidding....Yeah, I suppose that could happen. And within a year there would be draconian policies put into place to ration fuel.
The top 25% of all wage earners pay roughly 60% of the federal tax burden. The fair share argument does not wash. Class warfare is a political ploy to energize the democrat base.
If you want to talk about fair share, the bottom 50% of wage earners who pay NOTHING should be paying their fair share of the tax burden.
"We want single payer".....Move to another country. Because it's not happening here. Socialized medicine systems do not work. The ones in existence are being crushed under the weight of their gargantuan costs and draconian regulations. In most socialized medicine countries, most of the medical professionals are foreign born people because citizens are not going to medical school. There are severe shortages of doctors and nurses. Technology has to be imported because domestic research and development of medicine and equipment is non existent. Care is rationed. Taxes are crazy through the roof. People's very actions are regulated by government in order to attempt to control cost.
The government is broke because the people running it spent far more than they KNEW was coming in.
Government is supposed to provide essential functions such as public safety and infrastructure. On the federal level, add legislature and a judicial system to settle disputes and for the people to seek redress against the government when it steps out of line or is just plain not doing it right.
You are a child of government. SA child who wishes to reattach the umbilical cord. And wishes to force everyone else to do the same. Well sweet lumps, this is America. It doesn't work that way.
Now if there's nothing else, you can go now.

 

[Clementine]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.


I disagree.

As a libertarian, I can only respond by pointing out that you have a lot of misconceptions about libertarians. There's a distinct difference between rejecting coercive government and rejecting community action. In my experience, libertarians believe in community spirit, charity, and helping their fellow man more sincerely that most modern liberals. They simply don't believe it needs to be forced on us via coercive government programs.

Frankly, I find the liberal point of view deeply cynical, based on the tacit assumption that without government forcing it on us, we will turn our backs on those in need. I've heard it said that pretty much everyone starts with the base assumption that everyone else is like them. So people who are kind, charitable and forgiving assume the world will be likewise. Those who are less so, fear a world where people are free to be who they are. I couldn't take that as a blanket condemnation, because I know liberals who I believe are genuinely good people, but it does give me pause. What are you all so worried about?

I understand what you're saying. He who mistrusts most should be trusted the least.

If people do things simply because they have an ulterior motive, they can't imagine others doing it just because it's the right thing to do even though they don't benefit.

If taking care of a certain portion of the population all but guarantees power for one side, they must claim the other side would throw them to the wolves. They put forth the notion that there are only two choices, pick the side who will feed you or the side who will let you starve. The third, and most effective, option isn't discussed.

They can't be honest about their own motives and the last thing they can do is tell people they don't need to be taken care as long as they are able bodied. I never hear liberals talk about personal responsibility, initiative or the power of the individual. We only hear them blame others for their troubles and how they must be a paying member of unions or obedient members of a party in order to achieve anything. No one is capable of surviving, let alone soaring if left to their own devices. When someone succeeds on their own, like Herman Cain did, without the liberal programs, they see it as disloyalty to one's party and race.

Government's role is to create fair laws and oversee them. Promote the general welfare, not supply it. How did it get to the point where government is micro-managing our lives?

 

[ThinkCritically]

Government's role is to create fair laws and oversee them. Promote the general welfare, not supply it. How did it get to the point where government is micro-managing our lives?

Shock doctrine. Crises precipitate change and control,..... and what have we had since 2001?....nothing but a series of crises.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Not all overheated political rhetoric is alike. Delusional right-wing crazy talk — the kind of ranting we’ve heard recently from washed-up rock star Ted Nugent and Tea Party-backed Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) — is a special kind of poison that cannot be safely ignored. Not to mention Sarah Palin.

The extreme language we hear from the far right is much different from the extreme language we hear from the far left — and far more damaging to the ties that bind us as a nation.

Nugent promise that “if Barack Obama becomes the president in November again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”

Nugent compared the Obama administration to a bunch of “coyotes in your living room” who deserve to be shot. Nugent ended by exhorting his listeners: “We are Braveheart. We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November. any questions?”

No, I think he made himself quite clear.

Vile? Evil? America-hating? Nugent doesn’t just characterize those with different political views as misguided or wrong. He seeks to paint them as alien and anti-American — as enemies of this nation, rather than citizens with whom he disagrees. In a subsequent interview, Nugent called Nancy Pelosi a “sub-human scoundrel” and referred to liberals as cockroaches to “stomp” in November.

This is what distinguishes the flame-throwers of the far right from those of the far left. Nugent and his ilk seek to deny their political opponents the very right to believe in a different philosophy. Agree with me, he says, or be stomped.

It would be one thing if this sort of vicious intolerance came only from aging rockers whose brains may have been scrambled by all those high-decibel performances. But it comes, too, from an elected member of the House of Representatives.

At a town hall meeting last week in Palm City, Fla., West was asked how many Marxists there are in Congress. He replied, “I believe there’s about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party who are members of the Communist Party.” That is, of course, a bald-faced lie. There are no communists in Congress.

West can’t really believe this nonsense. What he’s trying to do is delegitimize the entire stream of progressive thought that has run wide and deep through American history since the nation’s founding. Disagree with his views, West insists, and you’re not just a political opponent, you’re a godless Marxist.

Republicans have been doing this for decades. Brainwashing.

There is no symmetry here. The far left may hurl insults at the right but doesn’t scream “fascism” whenever a Republican proposes privatizing Medicare.

Does Romney agree with Ted and Mr. Keys? Does Boehner? Do you?

Republican rhetoric that damages the nation - The Washington Post

Hello pot...This is kettle...Guess what? You're black.
Cut the shit Boo Boo...Both ideologies have their fringe.
Please spare me the brainwashing bullshit. Liberals have a practical monopoly on indoctrination in higher education. This has trickled down via the teachers of our children who with their liberal bias, are busily indoctrinating our kids to liberalism.
All the nonsense we see in public schools. Political correctness, the shunning of any mention of Christianity while other religious are studied or even celebrated. The introduction and subsequent failure of outcome based education. The Dumbing down of educational standards. Banning competitive aspects of studies. Some school districts have eliminated grades for fear of offending poor students. Self esteem...(UGH!!!!)..The banning of critical thinking and replacing it with memorization and regurgitation in order to prepare kids for standardized tests.
Now you have the gall to post a link ot an opinion piece in attempt to pass it off as fact.
Look genius, just because some scribe who is ill equipped to report hard news decides to spew his opinion, you accept it as the gospel and expect us to follow along.
LOSER!!!!

I liked your reply adn was going to tell you up until you called me a loser.

Yes we do have a monopoly on higher education. That should tell you something brother.

I thank God for the liberal America I live in. I thank God the North won the Civil War. But it seems like the south never really got over it. We decided long ago to allow unions and abortion and the GOP seem to be bringing up fights they already lost a long time ago. Or social security and medicare. 70% of us like it. What's the deal? Stop attacking them GOP.

And all you have to do is understand Citizens United to understand the GOP only works for the rich. Or undestand ALEC. Or know who the Koch brothers are.

If you feel these things are good for you, by all means vote GOP.

Incorrect, we didnt agree on abortion. The court did, the democrats knew they couldnt pass it in the legislature, so they tossed it to the court, like school busing, murderers rights...eh I mean criminal rights (think Miranda), ect
And you thank God? Uh isnt there seperation of message boards and religion?
So what do unions do now, except make a few people rich(ie labor leaders)?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Government's role is to create fair laws and oversee them. Promote the general welfare, not supply it. How did it get to the point where government is micro-managing our lives?

Shock doctrine. Crises precipitate change and control,..... and what have we had since 2001?....nothing but a series of crises.

It started before 2001, I mean Al Gore wrote his global warming book in the 90s, and the govenment takeover of healthcare was tried in the early 1990s as well. And polical correctness has been around since the hippies.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I want to hear from middle class and poor Ron Paul supporters. I want to hear how they think they will benefit from an every man for himself society. From what I can tell his approach would produce a small upper class and the middle class will become the working poor.

People don't realize it was liberal labor laws, FDR New Deal, tariffs and unions that produced the huge middle class we enjoyed for the last 50 years. It wasn't unregulated free trade. Unregulated Free trade sent 7 million good paying jobs out of the country because we make too much. And Ron Paul wants to double down on the idea? He and Paul Ryan are no different. Bad for America. Not the top 1% but the rest of us, BAD.

Where did you get the idea that the US is an "every man for himself" nation?
That presupposes the absence of government.
Stupid notion. Stop it.
Just because a country is built on individual achievement and the freedom of each of us to reach our potential does not make us selfish. It makes us great

 

[Harry Dresden]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.


I disagree.

As a libertarian, I can only respond by pointing out that you have a lot of misconceptions about libertarians. There's a distinct difference between rejecting coercive government and rejecting community action. In my experience, libertarians believe in community spirit, charity, and helping their fellow man more sincerely that most modern liberals. They simply don't believe it needs to be forced on us via coercive government programs.

Frankly, I find the liberal point of view deeply cynical, based on the tacit assumption that without government forcing it on us, we will turn our backs on those in need. I've heard it said that pretty much everyone starts with the base assumption that everyone else is like them. So people who are kind, charitable and forgiving assume the world will be likewise. Those who are less so, fear a world where people are free to be who they are. I couldn't take that as a blanket condemnation, because I know liberals who I believe are genuinely good people, but it does give me pause. What are you all so worried about?

Bobo has a lot of misconceptions about a lot of things....

 

[Mr.Nick]

america plc strikes again, your all slaves to your morally bankrupt country anyway go labour in silence for the great capitalist "job creators"

The beauties of a socialist education....

I don't even know where to begin with you...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Most RW libertarians I talk to on the internet have so many conflicting opinions it makes my head hurt. One minute they are all about personal freedom and responsibility for themselves and the next they seem to have fascist opinions on dealing with social problems such as poverty, immigration and crime. I just cannot compartmentalize my opinions like that, for them all men are not created equal and American exceptionalism forgives all sins.

Republicans may be ok with the idea that we are all born equal because they don't want to admit they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

What they believe in is every man for himself and survival of the fittest. So if the weak parrish, so be it. That's what happens in free unregulated markets/societies. Like the caraboo being stalked by the wolves. Its every caraboo for himself. They don't turn around and protect the weak caraboo. They just keep moving.

Democrats like safety nets. No one I know hates their social security and medicare.

Republicans may be ok with the idea that we are all born equal because they don't want to admit they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

are you fucking serious?..........oh geez....you are....

 

[thereisnospoon]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.


I disagree.

As a libertarian, I can only respond by pointing out that you have a lot of misconceptions about libertarians. There's a distinct difference between rejecting coercive government and rejecting community action. In my experience, libertarians believe in community spirit, charity, and helping their fellow man more sincerely that most modern liberals. They simply don't believe it needs to be forced on us via coercive government programs.

Frankly, I find the liberal point of view deeply cynical, based on the tacit assumption that without government forcing it on us, we will turn our backs on those in need. I've heard it said that pretty much everyone starts with the base assumption that everyone else is like them. So people who are kind, charitable and forgiving assume the world will be likewise. Those who are less so, fear a world where people are free to be who they are. I couldn't take that as a blanket condemnation, because I know liberals who I believe are genuinely good people, but it does give me pause. What are you all so worried about?

Bobo has a lot of misconceptions about a lot of things....

She and Truthmatters should go to quilting class together.

 

[sealybobo]

I want to hear from middle class and poor Ron Paul supporters. I want to hear how they think they will benefit from an every man for himself society. From what I can tell his approach would produce a small upper class and the middle class will become the working poor.

People don't realize it was liberal labor laws, FDR New Deal, tariffs and unions that produced the huge middle class we enjoyed for the last 50 years. It wasn't unregulated free trade. Unregulated Free trade sent 7 million good paying jobs out of the country because we make too much. And Ron Paul wants to double down on the idea? He and Paul Ryan are no different. Bad for America. Not the top 1% but the rest of us, BAD.

Where did you get the idea that the US is an "every man for himself" nation?
That presupposes the absence of government.
Stupid notion. Stop it.
Just because a country is built on individual achievement and the freedom of each of us to reach our potential does not make us selfish. It makes us great

The every man for himself way is the GOP way. Even Ron Paul. The Democratic way is that we are all in this together.

For example, us liberals and most Americans agree that government should invest in schools. But since Reagan, we have stopped. And now the cost of college is out of control.

And your "keep governments hands off my healthcare" attitude allowed the cost of healthcare to get out of control.

And allowing oil speculators on Wallstreet add $12-$20 per fill up on to the cost of gas???

This is what your free markets will produce. A small rich ruling class, a small merchantile class and a big working poor class.

In a May 25, 2001 interview, Grover Norquist told National Public Radio's Mara Liasson, "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."

'You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government'

Educate yourself with something from the left. Broaden your mind. Open it. Stop being brainwashed.

 

[sealybobo]

As a libertarian, I can only respond by pointing out that you have a lot of misconceptions about libertarians. There's a distinct difference between rejecting coercive government and rejecting community action. In my experience, libertarians believe in community spirit, charity, and helping their fellow man more sincerely that most modern liberals. They simply don't believe it needs to be forced on us via coercive government programs.

Frankly, I find the liberal point of view deeply cynical, based on the tacit assumption that without government forcing it on us, we will turn our backs on those in need. I've heard it said that pretty much everyone starts with the base assumption that everyone else is like them. So people who are kind, charitable and forgiving assume the world will be likewise. Those who are less so, fear a world where people are free to be who they are. I couldn't take that as a blanket condemnation, because I know liberals who I believe are genuinely good people, but it does give me pause. What are you all so worried about?

Bobo has a lot of misconceptions about a lot of things....

She and Truthmatters should go to quilting class together.

And don't forget Unions. They need to come back with a vengance. You middle class righties think you'll benefit if the GOP is successful in killing unions?

I wish we could split up the states. Honestly I do.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Most RW libertarians I talk to on the internet have so many conflicting opinions it makes my head hurt. One minute they are all about personal freedom and responsibility for themselves and the next they seem to have fascist opinions on dealing with social problems such as poverty, immigration and crime. I just cannot compartmentalize my opinions like that, for them all men are not created equal and American exceptionalism forgives all sins.

Republicans may be ok with the idea that we are all born equal because they don't want to admit they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

What they believe in is every man for himself and survival of the fittest. So if the weak parrish, so be it. That's what happens in free unregulated markets/societies. Like the caraboo being stalked by the wolves. Its every caraboo for himself. They don't turn around and protect the weak caraboo. They just keep moving.

Democrats like safety nets. No one I know hates their social security and medicare.

Republicans may be ok with the idea that we are all born equal because they don't want to admit they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

are you fucking serious?..........oh geez....you are....

Well, I wouldn't presently call myself "republican" - prefer; Classical Liberal, Libertarian, Democratic-Republican etc..... The notion that "republicans" were born with a "silver spoon" in their mouths is absolutely ridiculous..... Most republicans and non-progressives were born with brains in their fucking heads - not with "silver spoons in their mouths."

I can't say I agree with republicans on every issue, however I will say they're not the party that spends money like water and sticks the the middle class with the bill...

It only took Obamafuck 3 years to double the fucking deficit.........

We've only been a nation for how long?? 240 years?? and Obama managed to increase the deficit by 100% in 3 years............

 

[sealybobo]

Most RW libertarians I talk to on the internet have so many conflicting opinions it makes my head hurt. One minute they are all about personal freedom and responsibility for themselves and the next they seem to have fascist opinions on dealing with social problems such as poverty, immigration and crime. I just cannot compartmentalize my opinions like that, for them all men are not created equal and American exceptionalism forgives all sins.

Republicans may be ok with the idea that we are all born equal because they don't want to admit they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

What they believe in is every man for himself and survival of the fittest. So if the weak parrish, so be it. That's what happens in free unregulated markets/societies. Like the caraboo being stalked by the wolves. Its every caraboo for himself. They don't turn around and protect the weak caraboo. They just keep moving.

Democrats like safety nets. No one I know hates their social security and medicare.

Republicans may be ok with the idea that we are all born equal because they don't want to admit they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

are you fucking serious?..........oh geez....you are....

Remember Harry, you shouldn't be voting GOP. I consider you a want to be Republican. Ignorant electorate.

George Carlin said it best.

“Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. F*ck Hope.”
― George Carlin

 

[Crackerjack]

I wish we could split up the states. Honestly I do.

It would be nice to split off the failed states like Michigan and California and leave them to their own devices.

Of course that's not what your dumb ass meant, I'm sure.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Republicans may be ok with the idea that we are all born equal because they don't want to admit they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

What they believe in is every man for himself and survival of the fittest. So if the weak parrish, so be it. That's what happens in free unregulated markets/societies. Like the caraboo being stalked by the wolves. Its every caraboo for himself. They don't turn around and protect the weak caraboo. They just keep moving.

Democrats like safety nets. No one I know hates their social security and medicare.

Republicans may be ok with the idea that we are all born equal because they don't want to admit they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

are you fucking serious?..........oh geez....you are....

Remember Harry, you shouldn't be voting GOP. I consider you a want to be Republican. Ignorant electorate.

George Carlin said it best.

“Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. F*ck Hope.”
― George Carlin

I enjoy George Carlin but who the fuck gives a shit what he had to say when it comes to politics.... IMO this is why we have trash TV like The View - because people actually value what retarded celebrities have to say....

Will we be quoting Oprah next??

 

[sealybobo]

Republicans may be ok with the idea that we are all born equal because they don't want to admit they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

What they believe in is every man for himself and survival of the fittest. So if the weak parrish, so be it. That's what happens in free unregulated markets/societies. Like the caraboo being stalked by the wolves. Its every caraboo for himself. They don't turn around and protect the weak caraboo. They just keep moving.

Democrats like safety nets. No one I know hates their social security and medicare.

Republicans may be ok with the idea that we are all born equal because they don't want to admit they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

are you fucking serious?..........oh geez....you are....

Well, I wouldn't presently call myself "republican" - prefer; Classical Liberal, Libertarian, Democratic-Republican etc..... The notion that "republicans" were born with a "silver spoon" in their mouths is absolutely ridiculous..... Most republicans and non-progressives were born with brains in their fucking heads - not with "silver spoons in their mouths."

I can't say I agree with republicans on every issue, however I will say they're not the party that spends money like water and sticks the the middle class with the bill...

It only took Obamafuck 3 years to double the fucking deficit.........

We've only been a nation for how long?? 240 years?? and Obama managed to increase the deficit by 100% in 3 years............

Why lie and say you aren't a republican?

Most middle class Republicans I know personally don't seem to have the empathy gene. Its much more complicated than that, but I've noticed a greedy gene. Most middle class republicans don't understand what created the strong middle class we had from the New Deal until Reagan and Bush fucked it over, along with Clinton signing Nafta.

They aren't the money that spends money like water? Ok, now take off that fair and balanced mask and reveal yourself Karl Rove. I know its you under there. Or are you a Ron Pauly who's gonna vote for Romney because he's the lesser of the two evils? Either way, you are beyond redemption so eat a Dick! Chaney burger. It burns like hell, which is where he is going.