Why the fuck aren't we stopping all passengers from IBOLA infected regions?

[gallantwarrior]

I think stopping all traffic out of Texas might cause some political problems.

Exactly what this regime is no doubt considering. It would be even more convenient if they could add a few other venues to their quarantine lists.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I think stopping all traffic out of Texas might cause some political problems.

Exactly what this regime is no doubt considering. It would be even more convenient if they could add a few other venues to their quarantine lists.

Texas is now a hotbed of Ebola. Build the dang fence!

 

[gallantwarrior]

Because we don't make policy decisions based on the irrational and uninformed panic of people who don't actually know what they're talking about.

Ahhhhhh!!!

We don't make common-sense policy decisions that just about everyone else has already made. Guess because we're the big-bad United States we can cure Ebola here in the states before it kills a bunch of people. I was wondering what all of those FEMA camps were for.

I wonder whether the internees in the FEMA camps will be required to provide photo ID to vote. Or whether they will be permitted to vote at all. Who knows what germs they might leave on those pens used to mark ballots.?

 

[ChrisL]

Because we don't make policy decisions based on the irrational and uninformed panic of people who don't actually know what they're talking about.

Ahhhhhh!!!

We don't make common-sense policy decisions that just about everyone else has already made. Guess because we're the big-bad United States we can cure Ebola here in the states before it kills a bunch of people. I was wondering what all of those FEMA camps were for.

Exactly. We are not immune to diseases that are brought into the country.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Why are people acting like nothing is being done?

Travelers from West African countries will face stronger Ebola screening at U.S. airports - The Washington Post

Enhanced screening measures aimed at finding travelers infected with Ebola will be utilized at five of the busiest international airports in the United States, federal authorities said Wednesday...There are no direct flights on U.S. carriers from these countries to the United States, so people arrive through connections in other cities. More than 90 percent of people who fly to the United States from the three Ebola-ridden countries arrive at one of these five airports. During a recent 12-month period, nearly half of travelers from these countries flew through Kennedy Airport, the CDC says.

Yeah, yeah...that ranks right up there with "The check is in the mail", and "I won't come in your mouth"...really.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I think stopping all traffic out of Texas might cause some political problems.

Exactly what this regime is no doubt considering. It would be even more convenient if they could add a few other venues to their quarantine lists.

Texas is now a hotbed of Ebola. Build the dang fence!

Why bother? If you wouldn't consider building fence to keep out D68, lice, tuberculosis, and who knows what else, why should you be bothered by Ebola?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Clearly, any and all visitors from the Hot Zone need a tour of the White House when the First Family is home

Well, only as long as they aren't showing any symptoms...

 

[gallantwarrior]

I'm not sure why we let people who eat bats and monkeys come here in the first place.

They were hungry. Cut 'em some slack!

 

[gallantwarrior]

Because we don't make policy decisions based on the irrational and uninformed panic of people who don't actually know what they're talking about.

You're right, bleeding from your eyes just before death is no reason to show concern. Totally explains why Obama keeps canceling his trips to work on a crisis that actually means nothing.

Oh, btw at least we have the cdc allowing infected patients to fly commercially just prior to being locked down. Then they say it was a mistake to allow her to fly. They are so competent right?

Fuck the government. They are CLEARLY behind the curve on this. They have bungled 3 cases badly. How many more fuck ups before we take some damn common sense preperations?

So, it's not death that scares you, it's the horror movie style of death that has you shaking in your shoes. Ok.

How about the fact that the death is absolutely preventable, provided the regime actually provides leadership and an honest interest in protecting the citizens for which it is responsible?

 

[gallantwarrior]

I have no idea why commercial flights weren't stopped long ago. But, practically speaking, we cannot keep HC workers from travelling to and from W. Africa. It was inevitable that eventually someone would bring it here. What's disturbing the CDC appears to have had no plan, or perhaps even clue, how to track and then isolate anyone who was there who then ran a fever. And, the CDC appears to have had no plan, or even clue, how to treat people with Ebola without infecting hospital staff.

Healthcare workers and supplies could be delivered by military or private flights. Commercial passenger flights should be stopped NOW.

A basic question: Is the USA responsible to cure all the diseases in the world if doing so puts the american people at risk of death?

What are Russia and China doing to help africa? how about europe? how about the other countries of africa? Why is the USA the world's medical savior and policeman? If thats our world role, why aren't we getting paid to do that?

Sure, military (or private contractor) flights could ferry aid and workers. But, that would not prevent an infected worker arriving in the US before he/she showed a fever and became contagious.

The reason to send aid to W.Africa is that if the disease ends up as an epidemic in some place like Algeria or Morocco it may well end up as an epidemic in Europe, or it could pass into the middle east and to asia. The last real pandemic we had was the Spanish Flu in 1918, and that killed 2% of the world's population. This could possibly be worse.

If we had some kind of quarantine protocol in place for American aid workers arriving from the hot zones, that would help contain the spread of the disease. Knowing they would have to remain in quarantine for a specified period on their return to the States might adversely affect their decision to go in the first place, it might not. At least they would go knowing the possible consequences of their choice.

 

[Kondor3]

...What are Russia and China doing to help africa? how about europe? how about the other countries of africa? Why is the USA the world's medical savior and policeman? If thats our world role, why aren't we getting paid to do that?

Good questions.

Where-the-hell are the thousands of boots on the ground - medical and support units - from Russia, and China, and the EU, and Africa, and Latin America, and all that?

 

[gallantwarrior]

The only reason I can think of is that

OBAMA IS TOTALLY FUCKING INSANE!

Since you can only think of one reason, what does that say about you?

Seems like a good enough reason.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Here's an idea. Lets see what an Ebola medical expert thinks of closing travel to Africa:



CHUCK TODD: It seems as if there's almost this, many nations are reacting the way we're seeing actually public officials, some of them here, acting, which is, "No, no, no, no, just shut down the borders. Shut down lights." Is shutting down flights a viable option?


DR. ANTHONY FAUCI: That would be counterproductive. We can understand how people might come to that conclusion. But when you look at what happens when you isolate a country, you diminish greatly their ability to handle their own epidemic. If that happens, it very likely will spread to other African countries.

And the best way to protect Americans is to completely suppress the epidemic in West Africa. If we do that, we wouldn't be talking about this today. So to isolate them, maybe with good intentions, actually can be counterproductive and make things worse.


Meet the Press Transcript - October 12 2014 - NBC News

These are the same so-called experts who insist on telling us there is nothing to fear, nothing to worry about...while at least two professional health workers, and untold unintentional potential victims, worry about their futures? Air drop medical supplies and interested professionals into the hot zones. Contain this where it already is rampant. DO NOT import this into our territory and hope that we can contain what has proven at least 50% lethal thus far.

 

[gallantwarrior]

In other words, it is far more productive to take the fight to where the outbreak is. Closing off those countries would only ensure the outbreak worsens.

These countries do not have the infrastructure needed to combat Ebola. You can send all the medicine and supplies in the world, but they will do no good if there are no transportation and medical facilities and doctors to get them where they are needed.

This is where our military comes in. If there is one thing our military is good at, it is logistics. And that is why we are sending our troops there.

Take the battle to the disease.

Yep, contain the outbreak where it is. It may worsen there but at least it will be restricted here.
You are correct, our military excels at logistics. It is amazing, the size of a payload a C130 can air drop into a region. No need to endanger military personnel. A parachute is immune to Ebola.

 

[gallantwarrior]

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I can just point at the results:

• 5,000+ American soldiers dead
• 32,000+ American soldiers wounded & maimed
• Thousands more American soldiers damaged mentally
• Tens of thousands of American families damaged beyond repair
• Trillions of borrowed dollars wasted
• Thousands upon thousands of net new Jihadi recruits
• Iran emboldened once Saddam was eliminated
• Iraq now a terrorist Disneyland
• The Taliban returning to power in Afghanistan

Pretty easy. Pretty obvious.

One guy, one Commander in Chief, had the final decision to put us there.

No amount of spin, finger-pointing or deflection can change that fact.

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no president can enter a war without funding and authization from congress. Bush had both. Both parties authorized and funded it. They are all guilty.

To say that Bush did it solely on his own if just stupid partisan bullshit.

Funding an "attack" on Ebola is not war, it is "humanitarian aid". Does he need Congress to approve that?

 

[gallantwarrior]

In other words, it is far more productive to take the fight to where the outbreak is. Closing off those countries would only ensure the outbreak worsens.

These countries do not have the infrastructure needed to combat Ebola. You can send all the medicine and supplies in the world, but they will do no good if there are no transportation and medical facilities and doctors to get them where they are needed.

This is where our military comes in. If there is one thing our military is good at, it is logistics. And that is why we are sending our troops there.

Take the battle to the disease.

and when hundreds of american soldiers die from ebola? What then?

Who cares? They're volunteers and should have known what they were signing up for.

 

[gallantwarrior]

In other words, it is far more productive to take the fight to where the outbreak is. Closing off those countries would only ensure the outbreak worsens.

These countries do not have the infrastructure needed to combat Ebola. You can send all the medicine and supplies in the world, but they will do no good if there are no transportation and medical facilities and doctors to get them where they are needed.

This is where our military comes in. If there is one thing our military is good at, it is logistics. And that is why we are sending our troops there.

Take the battle to the disease.

and when hundreds of american soldiers die from ebola? What then?

When?

Man, you really do live in fear, don't you. You poor thing.

nope. reality. Those nurses in Dallas got it from one infected person. There are thousands of infected people in africa and you want to expose american soldiers to that environment? I guarantee that we will hear of infected military personnel in the very near future.

You can bet they will be permitted to reunite with their families, too!

 

[gallantwarrior]

Those who pooh pooh it off will be singing a different tune when their loved ones get Captain Trip.

Yeah....how many people on all those planes who are now sick......

Patience, asshopper!

 

[ChrisL]

That is true. Where are all the other countries to help out? Why oh why is it always left up to the United States to do EVERYTHING? I'm really tired of it. Most other countries hate us until they need something from us. Screw them! With friends like them, who needs enemies?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I have no idea why commercial flights weren't stopped long ago. But, practically speaking, we cannot keep HC workers from travelling to and from W. Africa. It was inevitable that eventually someone would bring it here. What's disturbing the CDC appears to have had no plan, or perhaps even clue, how to track and then isolate anyone who was there who then ran a fever. And, the CDC appears to have had no plan, or even clue, how to treat people with Ebola without infecting hospital staff.

Is it really surprising that our inept govt can't handle this?