Another Thread About Socialism, But Better

[HereWeGoAgain]

Liberty and individuality is always a better alternative IMO .

Simply taking on a policy issue and yelling "liberty and freedom" at it isn't really a policy..I usually see people like yourself never really have any policy proposals because most of you could care less about policy, just saying words that makes you feel better.

Some people dont want to take care of themselves. To that i say, "to each their own"
They certainly arent deserving of my labor..

Those lesser people don't deserve it is a popular mantra in opposition to policies that help everyone -- but we would gladly shoot ourselves in the foot if we think those lesser people get to benefit too

What makes corporations deserving of more tax cuts at your expense?

For the actual helpless? We could do something on a smaller scale.

Yea, that's still socialism...

Corporations provide jobs silly boi.

Now-a-days Corporations from the U.S.A, seem to provide more jobs for foreigners, than Americans, be it abroad like jobs outsourced to China, or Vietnam, or at home, like illegals from Mexico, or Silicon Valley techs from India.

All to maximize profit for the elite Capitalists, at the expense of less job availability, and lower wages for the American working class masses.

Just imagine, if this hadn't gone on, we (Americans) would all probably have incomes twice as high.

Now that I will agree with.
Out sourcing jobs is bullshit. I understand the need for higher profits for stock holders to stay solvent in todays corporate world but there should be limits.

 

[TNHarley]

Liberty and individuality is always a better alternative IMO
Some people dont want to take care of themselves. To that i say, "to each their own"
They certainly arent deserving of my labor.
For the actual helpless? We could do something on a smaller scale.

Even if it means paying a lot more on healthcare insurance collectively speaking?

A person would be hard pressed to prove the govt isnt the reason costs are so high to begin with..

To put that into perspective you would have to show earnings differentials.
I pay a lot for my high end healthcare but I can afford it.

So, because you can afford it, that means it's the best for society to pay more for healthcare?

Get the govt out of healthcare. Step by step.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I have no problem with a little regulation for the capitalists. They need it.
I have a problem with being forced to pay for other people who dont even want to help themselves.
Why in the fuck should i work to pay people to exist? Its a load of unconstitutional bullshit.

So, it's the fault of Walmart workers being paid scab wages, that they need to go on welfare?

Hmm, and yet Walmart themselves pays those scab wages, and foots the tab to you so they don't suffer, or even die from poverty hunger, or illness.

I can understand why small businesses can't pay for the tab, but what about big businesses like Walmart?

 

[Darkwind]

Liberty and individuality is always a better alternative IMO .

Simply taking on a policy issue and yelling "liberty and freedom" at it isn't really a policy..I usually see people like yourself never really have any policy proposals because most of you could care less about policy, just saying words that makes you feel better.

Some people dont want to take care of themselves. To that i say, "to each their own"
They certainly arent deserving of my labor..

Those lesser people don't deserve it is a popular mantra in opposition to policies that help everyone -- but we would gladly shoot ourselves in the foot if we think those lesser people get to benefit too

What makes corporations deserving of more tax cuts at your expense?

For the actual helpless? We could do something on a smaller scale.

Yea, that's still socialism...

How is it at My expense? I don't need or depend upon government to take money in order to live My life. You speak of policy. Here, you are advocating that policy should be that income is governments which is doled back out with a cut of the income going to government.

How is that not socialism? The policy is enforced that ownership of the business is contingent upon paying for political ideology.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Remember democrat Socialism is socialism favored by the democrat Party.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Liberty and individuality is always a better alternative IMO
Some people dont want to take care of themselves. To that i say, "to each their own"
They certainly arent deserving of my labor.
For the actual helpless? We could do something on a smaller scale.

Even if it means paying a lot more on healthcare insurance collectively speaking?

A person would be hard pressed to prove the govt isnt the reason costs are so high to begin with..

To put that into perspective you would have to show earnings differentials.
I pay a lot for my high end healthcare but I can afford it.

So, because you can afford it, that means it's the best for society to pay more for healthcare?

What ever happened to saving me $2500.00 bucks a year on my healthcare?
Fuck the poor!!! It isnt my job to insure their health.
If they have to take on a lessor plan that isnt on me,thats on them.

 

[TNHarley]

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Great! So can we get to the bottom of who is advocating for the abolition of private property and government ownership of production and distribution?

Because I'm not really seeing that being advocated.
.

Obviously that wouldnt go over well with real Americans.
The left has already jumped the gun when it comes to socialism in America.
Barry and his socialist policies were soundly rejected by the American people and it showed with the loss of over a thousand seats of government for the left.

I sincerely hope they continue with their bullshit.
The bubble they live in is about to get burst......again.

I don't know what you mean by "socialist".

This still exists on a continuum. Since no one is advocating for real socialism, including Obama, this doesn't make much sense to me.
.

Yet you ignore the lefts adoration of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who in fact does support radical socialism.....even though she's been proven to be a mental midget when it comes to the economy.

The two primary tenets of socialism are (1) the absence of personal property and (2) government ownership of all means of production and distribution.

Did Obama advocate for that? Does Ocasio-Cortez?
.

Well, they certainly advocate regulating a lot of the production and private property.
Maybe they are fascists

 

[Votto]

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Great! So can we get to the bottom of who is advocating for the abolition of private property and government ownership of production and distribution?

Because I'm not really seeing that being advocated.
.

Obviously that wouldnt go over well with real Americans.
The left has already jumped the gun when it comes to socialism in America.
Barry and his socialist policies were soundly rejected by the American people and it showed with the loss of over a thousand seats of government for the left.

I sincerely hope they continue with their bullshit.
The bubble they live in is about to get burst......again.

I don't know what you mean by "socialist".

This still exists on a continuum. Since no one is advocating for real socialism, including Obama, this doesn't make much sense to me.
.

Yet you ignore the lefts adoration of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who in fact does support radical socialism.....even though she's been proven to be a mental midget when it comes to the economy.

The two primary tenets of socialism are (1) the absence of personal property and (2) government ownership of all means of production and distribution.

Did Obama advocate for that? Does Ocasio-Cortez?
.

Why was I not told of this!?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

View attachment 207815

Great! So can we get to the bottom of who is advocating for the abolition of private property and government ownership of production and distribution?

Because I'm not really seeing that being advocated.
.

Obviously that wouldnt go over well with real Americans.
The left has already jumped the gun when it comes to socialism in America.
Barry and his socialist policies were soundly rejected by the American people and it showed with the loss of over a thousand seats of government for the left.

I sincerely hope they continue with their bullshit.
The bubble they live in is about to get burst......again.

I don't know what you mean by "socialist".

This still exists on a continuum. Since no one is advocating for real socialism, including Obama, this doesn't make much sense to me.
.

Yet you ignore the lefts adoration of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who in fact does support radical socialism.....even though she's been proven to be a mental midget when it comes to the economy.

The two primary tenets of socialism are (1) the absence of personal property and (2) government ownership of all means of production and distribution.

Did Obama advocate for that? Does Ocasio-Cortez?
.

These alone would break the US.
https://ocasio2018.com/issues

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Do a lot of Republicans even understand how a Capitalist economy works?

They frequently blame people for being paid poor wages.

They tell them to be educated, so they can get more job opportunities.

Yet, Millennials are more educated, and many Millennials with degrees are working in jobs traditionally held for non-educated people.

Why?
Simple, the economy simply demands the labor needs it does.

So, even if 100% of the economy were Doctorate degrees, there'd still be people cleaning toilets, flipping burgers, working the registers, mowing lawns etc. because the job market demands this.

 

[Mac1958]

Great! So can we get to the bottom of who is advocating for the abolition of private property and government ownership of production and distribution?

Because I'm not really seeing that being advocated.
.

Obviously that wouldnt go over well with real Americans.
The left has already jumped the gun when it comes to socialism in America.
Barry and his socialist policies were soundly rejected by the American people and it showed with the loss of over a thousand seats of government for the left.

I sincerely hope they continue with their bullshit.
The bubble they live in is about to get burst......again.

I don't know what you mean by "socialist".

This still exists on a continuum. Since no one is advocating for real socialism, including Obama, this doesn't make much sense to me.
.

Yet you ignore the lefts adoration of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who in fact does support radical socialism.....even though she's been proven to be a mental midget when it comes to the economy.

The two primary tenets of socialism are (1) the absence of personal property and (2) government ownership of all means of production and distribution.

Did Obama advocate for that? Does Ocasio-Cortez?
.

Well, they certainly advocate regulating a lot of the production and private property.
Maybe they are fascists

They're democratic socialists, which is to the right of real socialism.

What I can't tell is whether righties don't understand the distinction, or if they just like screaming SOCIALISM without any real facts.

One fact for sure, is that the word no longer scares people. The Right has over-used it, just like the Left did to RACISM.

Scream SOCIALISM now, and more and more people will say, "yeah, so?"
.

 

[Leo123]

Socialism ensures everyone is equally miserable.

 

[TNHarley]

I have no problem with a little regulation for the capitalists. They need it.
I have a problem with being forced to pay for other people who dont even want to help themselves.
Why in the fuck should i work to pay people to exist? Its a load of unconstitutional bullshit.

So, it's the fault of Walmart workers being paid scab wages, that they need to go on welfare?

Hmm, and yet Walmart themselves pays those scab wages, and foots the tab to you so they don't suffer, or even die from poverty hunger, or illness.

I can understand why small businesses can't pay for the tab, but what about big businesses like Walmart?

I have had to have 2 jobs to make ends meet. Why cant they?
I had to work for the pay i have now. Why cant they?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Great! So can we get to the bottom of who is advocating for the abolition of private property and government ownership of production and distribution?

Because I'm not really seeing that being advocated.
.

Obviously that wouldnt go over well with real Americans.
The left has already jumped the gun when it comes to socialism in America.
Barry and his socialist policies were soundly rejected by the American people and it showed with the loss of over a thousand seats of government for the left.

I sincerely hope they continue with their bullshit.
The bubble they live in is about to get burst......again.

I don't know what you mean by "socialist".

This still exists on a continuum. Since no one is advocating for real socialism, including Obama, this doesn't make much sense to me.
.

Yet you ignore the lefts adoration of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who in fact does support radical socialism.....even though she's been proven to be a mental midget when it comes to the economy.

The two primary tenets of socialism are (1) the absence of personal property and (2) government ownership of all means of production and distribution.

Did Obama advocate for that? Does Ocasio-Cortez?
.

Why was I not told of this!?

Those fukkin crazy eyes!!!!

 

[miketx]

In a socialist country this would be the norm.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I have no problem with a little regulation for the capitalists. They need it.
I have a problem with being forced to pay for other people who dont even want to help themselves.
Why in the fuck should i work to pay people to exist? Its a load of unconstitutional bullshit.

So, it's the fault of Walmart workers being paid scab wages, that they need to go on welfare?

Hmm, and yet Walmart themselves pays those scab wages, and foots the tab to you so they don't suffer, or even die from poverty hunger, or illness.

I can understand why small businesses can't pay for the tab, but what about big businesses like Walmart?

I have had to have 2 jobs to make ends meet. Why cant they?
I had to work for the pay i have now. Why cant they?

There's sometimes coordination issues.

If someone works 4 hours 6 days a week at minimum wage, they simply might not be able to find a job which can overlap.

Especially in times of poor economic job availability?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Do a lot of Republicans even understand how a Capitalist economy works?

They frequently blame people for being paid poor wages.

They tell them to be educated, so they can get more job opportunities.

Yet, Millennials are more educated, and many Millennials with degrees are working in jobs traditionally held for non-educated people.

Why?
Simple, the economy simply demands the labor needs it does.

So, even if 100% of the economy were Doctorate degrees, there'd still be people cleaning toilets, flipping burgers, working the registers, mowing lawns etc. because the job market demands this.

How about we bring back blue collar vocational classes in our school systems.
Not everyone is cut out for college.
I mean come on!!! Wouldnt little Johny be better suited to take up plumbing than getting a degree in women's studies?

 

[miketx]

Do a lot of Republicans even understand how a Capitalist economy works?

They frequently blame people for being paid poor wages.

They tell them to be educated, so they can get more job opportunities.

Yet, Millennials are more educated, and many Millennials with degrees are working in jobs traditionally held for non-educated people.

Why?
Simple, the economy simply demands the labor needs it does.

So, even if 100% of the economy were Doctorate degrees, there'd still be people cleaning toilets, flipping burgers, working the registers, mowing lawns etc. because the job market demands this.

How about we bring back blue collar vocational classes in our school systems.
Not everyone is cut out for college.
I mean come on!!! Wouldnt little Johny be better suited to take up plumbing than getting a degree in women's studies?

Or a degree in the mating habits of the white haired double breasted warbler.

 

[SmokeALib]

Socialism is government rule.
It's what the less intelligent among us needs to sustain themselves.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Obviously that wouldnt go over well with real Americans.
The left has already jumped the gun when it comes to socialism in America.
Barry and his socialist policies were soundly rejected by the American people and it showed with the loss of over a thousand seats of government for the left.

I sincerely hope they continue with their bullshit.
The bubble they live in is about to get burst......again.

I don't know what you mean by "socialist".

This still exists on a continuum. Since no one is advocating for real socialism, including Obama, this doesn't make much sense to me.
.

Yet you ignore the lefts adoration of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who in fact does support radical socialism.....even though she's been proven to be a mental midget when it comes to the economy.

The two primary tenets of socialism are (1) the absence of personal property and (2) government ownership of all means of production and distribution.

Did Obama advocate for that? Does Ocasio-Cortez?
.

Well, they certainly advocate regulating a lot of the production and private property.
Maybe they are fascists

They're democratic socialists, which is to the right of real socialism.

What I can't tell is whether righties don't understand the distinction, or if they just like screaming SOCIALISM without any real facts.

One fact for sure, is that the word no longer scares people. The Right has over-used it, just like the Left did to RACISM.

Scream SOCIALISM now, and more and more people will say, "yeah, so?"
.

People decrying socialist policies have a leg to stand on.
The BLM....not so much.