Coming to a Red State near you....

[berg80]

The bitterness is both obvious and delighting in a soothing sort of way...go back just a little in time and try to remember all the right wing posting about "legislating from the bench"....if you did not understand what they were telling you then you will now...based on past left wing legislative court findings [that were nothing more than cronyism backed up by a corrupt media] this will at least have the valued effect of showing what legislating from the bench is unless of course ya keep pretending it does not and did not exist.

In any case, I told ya so...it's their turn now

We are willing to accept the outcome of an election. Trump and most Repubs aren't.

But in terms of the subject under discussion, the results of the 2012 election empowered Obama to choose Scalia's replacement. McTreason refused to hold hearings on Obama's nominee under the premise voters had the right to decide the next prez and therefore who got to pick the next SC nominee. Even though the voters had already spoken in Obama's landslide victory. A principle Mitch immediately discarded when the country had an upcoming election following RBG's death. So please, don't bother with the self righteous claims about the will of the people in light of McTurtle dismissing it completely.
More than any act I can remember Mitch showed what Repubs are all about. Naked power grabs in order to advance the wishes of the minority over the majority.

 

[BluesLegend]

The Constitution alone gives us Constitutional rights, not judges or SCOTUS.

The Constitution does not grant us rights. The Constitution informs everyone what our rights are, we already possess them without anyone's permission. It slaps limits on government when they try to violate our rights. Yeah government hates that.

 

[Oddball]

The Constitution alone gives us Constitutional rights, not judges or SCOTUS.

Someone else needs to brush up on their Hobbes and Locke.

 

[Oddball]

We are willing to accept the outcome of an election. Trump and most Repubs aren't.

Oh fuck you.

You assholes never accepted Florida 2000, 2004 (y'all didn't remove your Kerry stickers for four years), or 2016.

Just STFU, lying asswipe.

 

[BluesLegend]

McTreason refused to hold hearings on Obama's nominee under the premise voters had the right to decide the next prez and therefore who got to pick the next SC nominee.

LOL oh here we go. Okay tell us how Dems would have done it any different...NOT! Politics is a dirty no holds barred battle fought down in the gutter and no one plays dirtier than Democrats so just suck it up snowflake you got bitch slapped this time.

 

[OKTexas]

Different issue, don't conflate them.

Actually if you have a genuine concern for women they aren't that different.

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[BluesLegend]

Oh fuck you.

You assholes never accepted Florida 2000, 2004 (y'all didn't remove your Kerry stickers for four years), or 2016.

Just STFU, lying asswipe.

Democrats are experts in hypocrisy and double standards. Dems also have no shame and are willing to tell any lie required, a deadly combination.

 

[OKTexas]

Roe granted a Constitutional right 50 years ago. Alito removed it. That is all that matters.

Courts don't have the authority to grant rights, they either exist or not. This court rule they didn't. Deal with it.

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[Dragonlady]

There is no question that overruling Roe will have severe implications for women at all levels, for years to come. That doesn't even begin to touch on the precedent this activist in removing a Constitutional right granted 50 years ago. I have never before heard of an individual right being taken away.

The effects will be devastating for many women.

Time to stop pretending this is "good for women" as if they are nothing more than stupid cows who don't know what how to make their own healthcare decisions.

Here is a taste of what to expect. Feel free to add more examples.

Vague 'medical emergency' exceptions in abortion laws leave pregnant people in danger, doctors say

Medical emergency exceptions are so vaguely defined in abortion laws, and with such harsh penalties for providers, physicians say they will be effectively unable to provide proper care.

www.statnews.com

The wording varies slightly from state to state. Texas allows abortion for “a medical emergency”; Louisiana’s bill makes an exception to prevent “death or substantial risk of death,” or “permanent impairment of a life-sustaining organ”; and Idaho permits abortion “to prevent the death of the pregnant woman.” On Thursday, Oklahoma legislators approved a bill that would ban nearly all abortions starting from fertilization, with an exception to save the life of the mother “in a medical emergency.”

Those exceptions are so vaguely defined, and with such harsh penalties for providers deemed to have violated the terms, physicians say they will be effectively unable to provide proper medical care or even discuss abortion with patients.

Doctors in Texas are refusing to provide care for women having miscarriages, and if they do agree to provide care, can't get other hospital staff to assist them because performing a D&C could lead to charges of performing an abortion.

Women who aren't in sepsis, are being sent home to bleed out.

 

[OKTexas]

You do realize that they have no intention of stopping at state's rights, right?

Who is they? And what choice would they have, considering the court ruled that the feds have no constitutional authority in the matter.

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[Natural Citizen]

It never ceases to amaze me just how little so many understand with regard to American governance.

The outlandish claim made there in the OP with regard to the SCOTUS possessing power that it has never had and does not now have is almost as laughable as it is disturbing that people actually believe it. I don't know where that logic comes from, other than some foolish, misinformed notion that the role of government is to placate group claims rather than to protect Individual liberty.

The judicial branch was and is, by design, the least powerful branch in government. And for good reason.

 

[Dragonlady]

Democrats are experts in hypocrisy and double standards. Dems also have no shame and are willing to tell any lie required, a deadly combination.

Do you have any new lies about Democrats or are you just repeating the daily talking points.

 

[berg80]

Democrats are experts in hypocrisy and double standards.

Dude.

Of Course Mitch McConnell Is Full of Shit

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said he would confirm a new Supreme Court justice in 2020 after he wouldn't in 2016.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Dude.

Of Course Mitch McConnell Is Full of Shit

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said he would confirm a new Supreme Court justice in 2020 after he wouldn't in 2016.

www.rollingstone.com

Rolling Stone is full of shit. Fake rape and all

 

[berg80]

LOL oh here we go. Okay tell us how Dems would have done it any different...NOT!

That's nothing but a disingenuous rationalization.

 

[berg80]

Rolling Stone is full of shit. Fake rape and all

Thanks for that insightful rebuttal. The likes of which I've come to expect from the simple minded who feel ad hominem attacks on the source of info is a substitute for factual refutation.

 

[Natural Citizen]

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The Supreme Court is not granted the Power to Legislate ... There is no way the Supreme Court can grant a Constitutional Right.

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While true, Congress has grown derelict in its duty over time. It has basically let the SCOTUS do its job for them. It's nothing less than malfeasance on the part of Congress.

Unfortunately, the electorate has accepted this as normal. Apparently we don't teach Civics any more. Or something. Gosh.

And so we get fallacies such as that which was so arbitrarily tossed out there in the OP.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Thanks for that insightful rebuttal. The likes of which I've come to expect from the simple minded who feel ad hominem attacks on the source of info is a substitute for factual refutation.

You're welcome, now pound sand

 

[Coyote]

Right now it seems like there is a contest to see who can create the most restrictive and punative abortion bans in the country. Some of the laws have only one exception: to save a woman’s life in a medical emergency or eminent threat to a woman’s life. At what point does it constitute a medical emergency? That is a fine line because in no time at all sepsis can occur or a woman can hemorrhage and bleed out before she can reach an emergency room. Her risk of mortality or long term permanent damage is exponentially increased.

Add to that the penalties doctors can incur:

For example, if anti-abortion laws were allowed to go into effect, the punishment for an unauthorized abortion could be 5-15 years of prison in Missouri, 3-15 years in Tennessee and 5 years to life in Texas. Missouri specifies that the burden of proving the abortion was legal falls on the doctor, who “shall have the burden of persuasion that the defense is more probably true than not.”

"It places a physician in the place of having to make a very difficult choice," says Siobán Harlow, a professor of epidemiology, gynecology and global public health at the University of Michigan.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2022-06-03/why-exceptions-to-abortion-bans-may-be-hard-for-women-to-access

All the abortion bans analyzed include an exception if the mother’s life is at risk, but only 12 also allow an exception for cases of other extreme health risks, such as irreversible damage to a major bodily function.

…pro-abortion rights advocates point out that determining when exactly a life is in imminent danger can be challenging. Although the laws generally defer to the “good faith medical judgment” or “reasonable medical judgment” of the physician, advocates say it would be difficult for doctors not to think about what the consequences would be if the state accused them of performing an abortion that wasn’t medically necessary.

Moreover, as doctors and hospitals would need more time to weigh their own legal liability against potential danger to the mother, delays in care could put the patient’s health at greater risk.
"Maternal mortality will go up. We know that,” says Harlow. “Throughout the globe, throughout the world, maternal mortality increases as the level of access to safe abortion decreases."

Ireland had a recent case (which overturned it’s strict abortion law) where this sort of situation happened.

Savita Halappanavar's parents hail Irish abortion vote

The case of Savita Halappanavar, who died after being refused an abortion, sparked calls for reform.

www.bbc.com

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[Lesh]

Do trannies competing in woman's sports help women? The same people behind abortion are all for that. They have 0 respect for women and I guess you do too.

Gonna get the state involved in that next?