Do liberals even like this country?

[LogikAndReazon]

I always look forward to hearing from you Franco, it's the drug fueled crazy I miss the most.

Stil, your hate for the Clintons, for the Dems etc is all manufatured BS from the greedy ying GOP rich, dupe. Again, dupe doesn't mean yo're stupid. It's a gd good propaganda machine, and huge. Somehow seems to stop the Dems and journalists from doing their job well. Big money.

Of course Dems want prosperity and get it when in power. We love small businesses- That's crazy talk.

Muslim law only in mosques at most. Not me. A smaller military MAYBE, A good background check- no one wants your guns.

You can't just move LOL. Your whole post is hateful bs...THAT is what's wrong with America. The GOP and its crap and the hater dupes...See sig last line. Nothing personal, get it...

That is correct, Dems do want prosperity and get it when in power, take a look at the net worth of Pelosi, Harry Reid, Clintons, Obamas....do you seriously think any of them would have come close in the private sector. You could even add Bernie Sanders to that list now.

BS. Pelosi married rich, Reid made money in real estate in NEVADA, the rest wrote book s and gave speeches like the Bushes, etc. What crap.

Sure, pigs can fly too.

They also want to raise taxes on the rich, ie., themselves. Unlike your greed idiot brainwashing heroes, dupe.

Socilialists.......They is OWED !!!!! Lol

 

[WEATHER53]

Liberals don't much like themselves nor anybody else much less the country
Why else would you seek non competitive safe spaces and the government dole, cheat in Presidential elections and still lose then whine about the loss
They are an unhappy bunch

 

[WEATHER53]

Stil, your hate for the Clintons, for the Dems etc is all manufatured BS from the greedy ying GOP rich, dupe. Again, dupe doesn't mean yo're stupid. It's a gd good propaganda machine, and huge. Somehow seems to stop the Dems and journalists from doing their job well. Big money.

Of course Dems want prosperity and get it when in power. We love small businesses- That's crazy talk.

Muslim law only in mosques at most. Not me. A smaller military MAYBE, A good background check- no one wants your guns.

You can't just move LOL. Your whole post is hateful bs...THAT is what's wrong with America. The GOP and its crap and the hater dupes...See sig last line. Nothing personal, get it...

That is correct, Dems do want prosperity and get it when in power, take a look at the net worth of Pelosi, Harry Reid, Clintons, Obamas....do you seriously think any of them would have come close in the private sector. You could even add Bernie Sanders to that list now.

BS. Pelosi married rich, Reid made money in real estate in NEVADA, the rest wrote book s and gave speeches like the Bushes, etc. What crap.

Sure, pigs can fly too.

They also want to raise taxes on the rich, ie., themselves. Unlike your greed idiot brainwashing heroes, dupe.

Socilialists.......They is OWED !!!!! Lol

They think they can decide who out competed and out produced them and then demand for some of it back as some form of bizarre social "justice"

 

[regent]

That is correct, Dems do want prosperity and get it when in power, take a look at the net worth of Pelosi, Harry Reid, Clintons, Obamas....do you seriously think any of them would have come close in the private sector. You could even add Bernie Sanders to that list now.

BS. Pelosi married rich, Reid made money in real estate in NEVADA, the rest wrote book s and gave speeches like the Bushes, etc. What crap.

Sure, pigs can fly too.

They also want to raise taxes on the rich, ie., themselves. Unlike your greed idiot brainwashing heroes, dupe.

Socilialists.......They is OWED !!!!! Lol

They think they can decide who out competed and out produced them and then demand for some of it back as some form of bizarre social "justice"

So if America slaps an amendment on requiring that only rich people can run for public office, what would be the definition of rich?

 

[WEATHER53]

BS. Pelosi married rich, Reid made money in real estate in NEVADA, the rest wrote book s and gave speeches like the Bushes, etc. What crap.

Sure, pigs can fly too.

They also want to raise taxes on the rich, ie., themselves. Unlike your greed idiot brainwashing heroes, dupe.

Socilialists.......They is OWED !!!!! Lol

They think they can decide who out competed and out produced them and then demand for some of it back as some form of bizarre social "justice"

So if America slaps an amendment on requiring that only rich people can run for public office, what would be the definition of rich?

One who can afford to run and does not need the government to pay for it

 

[Flopper]

Maybe you should stop and remember this country doesn't belong to you, conservatives or republicans..

No it doesn't, but since we are not a socialist society yet, it's the conservatives that will help stop it from being that way. Remember: once liberals ruin this place and turn it into all the others, there is no other USA to move to. Unlike other liberal and socialist countries, there is only one USA.

Maybe you should stop worrying about the worry and fear and see that socialism is nothing to fear since it doesn't exist in the US.

Well I'm sorry, but it does in sectors of our country. What are our social programs if not socialism? What is taking from the rich to give to the poor if not socialism? What is trying to make everybody "equal" if not socialism?

Social programs are not socialism. They can be a step toward socialism just as private ownership can be a step toward capitalism. Having many social programs does not make a socialist nation any more than having a lot of private ownership make a capitalist nation. The success of social program determines whether it promotes more socialism or more capitalism.

Social programs do promote socialism. Surveys of younger people show a majority of them now believe socialism should be the future of this country. How did that happen, because they were raised with the belief of personal responsibility, hard work, taking financial risks, and a goal of financial success?

Just like I was talking about my HUD neighbors next door yesterday. You look at them, having a great time, making noise like they did when they lived in the inner city, living like kings, and then ask yourself WTF am I waking up early every morning to go to work????

Or when you get behind those food stamp people who are buying food you don't want to spend money on for yourself, and then they buy their cigarettes, alcohol, huge bags of dog food, cat litter, perfume and flowers and whip out a wad of cash. Again, people like myself just ask WTF am I working to support that?

Sometimes you feel like giving up after a while, and many people do. The Democrats celebrate it too. After a while, people say to themselves "I want to live like that too" and start to get a negative attitude about chasing success and having pride.

If social programs promote socialism, then what you're saying is social programs promote common ownership of the means of production and private property. That's a pretty big jump.

Take a look at most the capitalism countries and you will find they provide generous social welfare programs. For example, Hong Kong is often listed as the most capitalist county in the world. They have government run hospitals and clinics, non-contributory social security, elder care that far exceeds that of the US, housing for the poor, government meal plans, job programs, a wide array of family services available to all, and free public schools that are among best in the world. The idea that cutting out social programs would some how make America great is completely absurd.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

No it doesn't, but since we are not a socialist society yet, it's the conservatives that will help stop it from being that way. Remember: once liberals ruin this place and turn it into all the others, there is no other USA to move to. Unlike other liberal and socialist countries, there is only one USA.

Maybe you should stop worrying about the worry and fear and see that socialism is nothing to fear since it doesn't exist in the US.

Well I'm sorry, but it does in sectors of our country. What are our social programs if not socialism? What is taking from the rich to give to the poor if not socialism? What is trying to make everybody "equal" if not socialism?

Social programs are not socialism. They can be a step toward socialism just as private ownership can be a step toward capitalism. Having many social programs does not make a socialist nation any more than having a lot of private ownership make a capitalist nation. The success of social program determines whether it promotes more socialism or more capitalism.

Social programs do promote socialism. Surveys of younger people show a majority of them now believe socialism should be the future of this country. How did that happen, because they were raised with the belief of personal responsibility, hard work, taking financial risks, and a goal of financial success?

Just like I was talking about my HUD neighbors next door yesterday. You look at them, having a great time, making noise like they did when they lived in the inner city, living like kings, and then ask yourself WTF am I waking up early every morning to go to work????

Or when you get behind those food stamp people who are buying food you don't want to spend money on for yourself, and then they buy their cigarettes, alcohol, huge bags of dog food, cat litter, perfume and flowers and whip out a wad of cash. Again, people like myself just ask WTF am I working to support that?

Sometimes you feel like giving up after a while, and many people do. The Democrats celebrate it too. After a while, people say to themselves "I want to live like that too" and start to get a negative attitude about chasing success and having pride.

If social programs promote socialism, then what you're saying is social programs promote common ownership of the means of production and private property. That's a pretty big jump.

Take a look at most the capitalism countries and you will find they provide generous social welfare programs. For example, Hong Kong is often listed as the most capitalist county in the world. They have government run hospitals and clinics, non-contributory social security, elder care that far exceeds that of the US, housing for the poor, government meal plans, job programs, a wide array of family services available to all, and free public schools that are among best in the world. The idea that cutting out social programs would some how make America great is completely absurd.

No one advocates eliminating all social programs.
Some perhaps, many even.
Limiting ever expanding programs should be the priority.
Restricting, Regulating and Reforming the rest.
Benefits for illegal aliens, ZERO.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

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[Ray From Cleveland]

No it doesn't, but since we are not a socialist society yet, it's the conservatives that will help stop it from being that way. Remember: once liberals ruin this place and turn it into all the others, there is no other USA to move to. Unlike other liberal and socialist countries, there is only one USA.

Maybe you should stop worrying about the worry and fear and see that socialism is nothing to fear since it doesn't exist in the US.

Well I'm sorry, but it does in sectors of our country. What are our social programs if not socialism? What is taking from the rich to give to the poor if not socialism? What is trying to make everybody "equal" if not socialism?

Social programs are not socialism. They can be a step toward socialism just as private ownership can be a step toward capitalism. Having many social programs does not make a socialist nation any more than having a lot of private ownership make a capitalist nation. The success of social program determines whether it promotes more socialism or more capitalism.

Social programs do promote socialism. Surveys of younger people show a majority of them now believe socialism should be the future of this country. How did that happen, because they were raised with the belief of personal responsibility, hard work, taking financial risks, and a goal of financial success?

Just like I was talking about my HUD neighbors next door yesterday. You look at them, having a great time, making noise like they did when they lived in the inner city, living like kings, and then ask yourself WTF am I waking up early every morning to go to work????

Or when you get behind those food stamp people who are buying food you don't want to spend money on for yourself, and then they buy their cigarettes, alcohol, huge bags of dog food, cat litter, perfume and flowers and whip out a wad of cash. Again, people like myself just ask WTF am I working to support that?

Sometimes you feel like giving up after a while, and many people do. The Democrats celebrate it too. After a while, people say to themselves "I want to live like that too" and start to get a negative attitude about chasing success and having pride.

If social programs promote socialism, then what you're saying is social programs promote common ownership of the means of production and private property. That's a pretty big jump.

Take a look at most the capitalism countries and you will find they provide generous social welfare programs. For example, Hong Kong is often listed as the most capitalist county in the world. They have government run hospitals and clinics, non-contributory social security, elder care that far exceeds that of the US, housing for the poor, government meal plans, job programs, a wide array of family services available to all, and free public schools that are among best in the world. The idea that cutting out social programs would some how make America great is completely absurd.

Now please explain what happens when all those working people decide to live on the government instead of paying taxes to support all those goodies.

This is what we Republicans call the cart theory: The townspeople pull an empty cart down the road and it flies almost effortlessly. As people get tired of pulling the cart and jump inside, the cart begins to move slower. When half of the people get in the cart and expect the other half to pull it, the cart stops.

With great pride, the Obama administration announced they created 20 million more new government dependents on Commie Care. Add to that the 20 million more he created on the food stamp role. Now just with those two programs alone, the Obama administration created 40 million more new government dependents. We are only a nation of 315 million people. That means Obama put over 1/8 of our population on government programs, and that's on top of the ones that were already there.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Government acts as a referee ensuring a level playing field

Show me where any of our founders thought that's what our federal government should be for--leveling the playing field.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

...and then the liberals took "control".... you commies never stop with your attacks on this country. This is my last response to your never ending mis-characterizations and downright lies.

Well, here's the question- who took "Control" exactly.

You see, there was a point where both parties were kind of in agreement that taxing the rich and unionizing the workers was a good thing. This was from 1932 to about 1980.

Then Ronnie Ray-gun came along, gave obscene tax breaks to the rich and let it be known he was okay with busting up the unions. The middle class has been on the ropes ever since.

The ironic thing is, in the process, you've made the welfare state more powerful when middle class folks have to turn to government programs to make ends meet.

Really? So how many unions did Reagan bust up and by what means did he do so with a Democrat Congress?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No it doesn't, but since we are not a socialist society yet, it's the conservatives that will help stop it from being that way. Remember: once liberals ruin this place and turn it into all the others, there is no other USA to move to. Unlike other liberal and socialist countries, there is only one USA.

Maybe you should stop worrying about the worry and fear and see that socialism is nothing to fear since it doesn't exist in the US.

Well I'm sorry, but it does in sectors of our country. What are our social programs if not socialism? What is taking from the rich to give to the poor if not socialism? What is trying to make everybody "equal" if not socialism?

Social programs are not socialism. They can be a step toward socialism just as private ownership can be a step toward capitalism. Having many social programs does not make a socialist nation any more than having a lot of private ownership make a capitalist nation. The success of social program determines whether it promotes more socialism or more capitalism.

Social programs do promote socialism. Surveys of younger people show a majority of them now believe socialism should be the future of this country. How did that happen, because they were raised with the belief of personal responsibility, hard work, taking financial risks, and a goal of financial success?

Just like I was talking about my HUD neighbors next door yesterday. You look at them, having a great time, making noise like they did when they lived in the inner city, living like kings, and then ask yourself WTF am I waking up early every morning to go to work????

Or when you get behind those food stamp people who are buying food you don't want to spend money on for yourself, and then they buy their cigarettes, alcohol, huge bags of dog food, cat litter, perfume and flowers and whip out a wad of cash. Again, people like myself just ask WTF am I working to support that?

Sometimes you feel like giving up after a while, and many people do. The Democrats celebrate it too. After a while, people say to themselves "I want to live like that too" and start to get a negative attitude about chasing success and having pride.

Hence why education is important. Studying what happened to Socialist/Communist countries in Eastern Europe should show people the problems of Socialism. Young people are idealistic, but if you have a system that fucks the poor left right and center, then socialism is going to be promoted.

If the system is fairer, then less extremes will appear. The more extreme one side is, the more extreme the other will be.

What "system" are you referring to? Our system is that if you work hard, save money, invest, you can do pretty well for yourself. Our system is that if you don't want to work for somebody else, work for yourself. Our system is that if you take your own money and invest in education, you will likely make more money than those who didn't.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then I guess you'll keep on with your commie crap until the shooting starts. Fine by me. You want other peoples money taken by force. Thief.

Guy, the Commie stuff usually starts shooting when people get fed up with the behavior of the 1%. Just ask these assholes.

Or these assholes...

You see, the thing is, we used to have it pretty good in this country when the workforce was 30% unionized, we had a middle class that brought home good paychecks.

But as Herbert Hoover once opined, "The problem with Capitalism is Capitalists. They're too damned greedy!"

No, the problem was the American consumer. We got greedy. The unions got greedy and the consumer turned to cheaper imported products.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Actually, we'd produce more jobs if we taxed that wealth and spent it on infrastructure.

Yeah, you would have jobs for about five or six years, and then those jobs would be gone along with the wealthy who would take their money and get out of the country.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Since money only represents the value of labor produced, and the 1% didn't do 43% of the labor their share of the wealth represents, they didn't earn it, they stole if from those who did the work.

That you guys don't see this as a problem means that you lack compassion or understanding.

Now that's a true failed liberal view of money: it only represents the value of labor.

Very few people became wealthy off of labor alone. People become wealthy by taking their money and investing. People became wealthy by creating new products and selling them to the public. If people became wealthy by labor, China would have more wealthy people than the rest of the world.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Or they watch their parents work themselves to death only to be in debt to big banks and corporations.

How does one get into debt with big banks and corporations? My parents never did, and the only thing my father owed the bank was the money he borrowed to build our house.

Mostly, to keep these things available. Here's the thing. Food stamps are mostly meant to keep demand for food up, so that it's practical to farm. It's the greatest example of corporate welfare out there.

Oh yeah, that's right, because if we didn't have food stamps, those people would just stop eating altogether.

Same thing with your HUD house you whine about excessively. It's just you with your miserable job that doesn't pay for health care and the HUD people, because everyone who was worth a shit moved the fuck out of Cleveland and who could blame them?

Yeah, but they have healthcare and I'm paying for it with the taxes I create.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's because countries that follow your philosophy usually turn out to be pretty awful places to live for everyone but the rich.

And what countries would that be? Our country is doing damn well with my philosophy.

Because we need to fix THIS country. What we are doing isn't working, and you know it. You've gotten this answer before, you don't want to hear it.

Why would you fix something you have no control over? You don't need to fix anything because there are already countries out there that had all this fixing just to your liking.

 

[JoeB131]

Really? So how many unions did Reagan bust up and by what means did he do so with a Democrat Congress?

Are you some kind of a retard? Were you not paying attention to the whole PATCO thing?

And what countries would that be? Our country is doing damn well with my philosophy.

We're not following your philosophy completely, and to the degree we are, it's pretty effed up.

Why would you fix something you have no control over? You don't need to fix anything because there are already countries out there that had all this fixing just to your liking.

Quite the contrary, we WILL fix this country one all you old white bitter clingers do the world a favor and die off.

 

[JoeB131]

Very few people became wealthy off of labor alone. People become wealthy by taking their money and investing. People became wealthy by creating new products and selling them to the public. If people became wealthy by labor, China would have more wealthy people than the rest of the world.

So you keep mistaking the parasite for a vital organ...

Yeah, you would have jobs for about five or six years, and then those jobs would be gone along with the wealthy who would take their money and get out of the country.

From 1940 to 1980, we did exactly that and had unheard of prosperity. The rich paid their fair share and we invested in infrastructure and education.

We need to go back to that.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No it doesn't, but since we are not a socialist society yet, it's the conservatives that will help stop it from being that way. Remember: once liberals ruin this place and turn it into all the others, there is no other USA to move to. Unlike other liberal and socialist countries, there is only one USA.

But which societies are actually socialist Ray? Hardly any really.

Oh come on. You claim not to know but still say those are the countries we should be more like?

If ACA were implemented WE would be socialist...Thanks GOP- way to sell out again...

Having socialized health care, does not make a country socialist.

Having socialized police service, socialized military, etc etc, does not make the US socialist.

If you're a democracy, socialist is such a big term one can say it is. Even if it a pander to the rich GOP, unfair mess.

I don't quite get your point here. Could you explain it in a different way?