Do liberals even like this country?

[rightwinger]

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment, Obamacare

Conservatives want to end them all

Maybe because our Constitution doesn't require our federal government to provide.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of .."

Yeah, it does. It requires that the federal government to establish, insure, provide, promote, and secure.

Yeah???? And where is the part about the federal government providing you with everything from your first package of diapers to the box you will be buried in?

The part that goes......We the People
We the People created the government....We the people get to decide on the scope of what that government will provide

If that's the case, it should have been done though the amendment process, not willy-nilly by electing liberals.

Again, the founders wrote into the Constitution what the federal government were to provide to the pubic. If their intent was to provide anything we wanted, there would have been no point in listing what they were to provide in the first place.

No....the amendment process is for changing the Constitution

Most fall within court decisions

 

[Wyatt earp]

No, what the federal government is required to provide is listed in the Constitution. If it were to provide anything we wanted, why would the founders have made a list of what they were to provide?

Our founding fathers were smarter than to try to restrict what future generations were allowed to do. Thomas Jefferson said it best

I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

There is a process for making changes. It is the only viable process short of arbitrary government.

Sure there is a process. It mostly involves passing laws and legislation and seeing if they pass constitutional muster

That can easily be determined prior to being presented. A lot of passed legislation is part of a larger deal of quid pro quo between the parties. Constitutionality does not even come into question unless challenged after passage.

It's a common MO for slipping things through.

That's the way it works
Congress passes laws and legislation. If you think they violate the Constitution...the courts are open to you

Or even better Trump's EOs cancelling out Obama's..


.

 

[rightwinger]

That's the way it works
Congress passes laws and legislation. If you think they violate the Constitution...the courts are open to you

Quoted and documented....

Because As Trump fills Federal benches with more Pro-American judges, eliminates these radical Leftist judges and the 9th Circus and appoints several more Supreme Court justices, I'm 100% certain your Canary will sing a totally different tune

That is the way it works
Courts swing to the left and to the right

Stealing a Supreme Court seat helps

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Maybe because our Constitution doesn't require our federal government to provide.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of .."

Yeah, it does. It requires that the federal government to establish, insure, provide, promote, and secure.

Yeah???? And where is the part about the federal government providing you with everything from your first package of diapers to the box you will be buried in?

The part that goes......We the People
We the People created the government....We the people get to decide on the scope of what that government will provide

If that's the case, it should have been done though the amendment process, not willy-nilly by electing liberals.

Again, the founders wrote into the Constitution what the federal government were to provide to the pubic. If their intent was to provide anything we wanted, there would have been no point in listing what they were to provide in the first place.

No....the amendment process is for changing the Constitution

Most fall within court decisions

You mean by the federal government giving us more things than are in the Constitution is not changing it?

 

[rightwinger]

That is the beautiful thing about the Constitution......We the People get to decide what we want from our Government

No, you people want to ELIMINATE the Constitution. The Constitution is NOT a "living Document" as you morons want to call it.
If it is allowed to be molded into a Communist manifesto, as you morons want, then it will no longer protect human rights.

You DO NOT get to decide what parts of the Constitution (like the 2nd amendment) go and which ones to re-write.

The goal of you Communist/Marxist Leftist is the complete dismantling of the Constitution and the installation of doctrines that are suited only to your own agendas.
The right seeks to protect and preserve the Union while the Left seeks to fracture and divide it.

Of course the Constitution is a living document. It is not the Bible passed down from the almighty. Courts were established in the Constitution and courts get to decide constitutional issues

The Constitution is not a cookbook telling you what you are allowed to cook and what ingredients you can use
The Constitution established the kitchen from which future generations could prepare their meals

 

[rightwinger]

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of .."

Yeah, it does. It requires that the federal government to establish, insure, provide, promote, and secure.

Yeah???? And where is the part about the federal government providing you with everything from your first package of diapers to the box you will be buried in?

The part that goes......We the People
We the People created the government....We the people get to decide on the scope of what that government will provide

If that's the case, it should have been done though the amendment process, not willy-nilly by electing liberals.

Again, the founders wrote into the Constitution what the federal government were to provide to the pubic. If their intent was to provide anything we wanted, there would have been no point in listing what they were to provide in the first place.

No....the amendment process is for changing the Constitution

Most fall within court decisions

You mean by the federal government giving us more things than are in the Constitution is not changing it?

The federal government was established by the Constitution

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The changes are permanent. Roe v Wade will never be reversed neither will gay marriage

Never say never.
At one time Americans would have said there will "Never" be a black President.........oops

 

[Tehon]

During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

We are failing our people. Why can't you see that?

Because it only exists you your head.

"Make America great again"!

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

No....the amendment process is for changing the Constitution
Most fall within court decisions

How's that kind of process as far as changing their fundamental government working for Brits in the UK?

Seems the radical Left there has welcomed Sharia Law and now it's biting them in the ass BIG time. Even radical leftist are fleeing the UK (see George Clooney) because of their own BS.
Their "Utopia" always turns out to be hell in reality.

We (The Right) will not stand by while you radical Leftists install enough judges to nullify our Constitution and destroy our Republic with Socialist / Communist ideology.

The courts can be corrupted.....that does not mean it's OK for the Constitution to be changed to suit those radical judges.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That is the beautiful thing about the Constitution......We the People get to decide what we want from our Government

No, you people want to ELIMINATE the Constitution. The Constitution is NOT a "living Document" as you morons want to call it.
If it is allowed to be molded into a Communist manifesto, as you morons want, then it will no longer protect human rights.

You DO NOT get to decide what parts of the Constitution (like the 2nd amendment) go and which ones to re-write.

The goal of you Communist/Marxist Leftist is the complete dismantling of the Constitution and the installation of doctrines that are suited only to your own agendas.
The right seeks to protect and preserve the Union while the Left seeks to fracture and divide it.

Of course the Constitution is a living document. It is not the Bible passed down from the almighty. Courts were established in the Constitution and courts get to decide constitutional issues

The Constitution is not a cookbook telling you what you are allowed to cook and what ingredients you can use
The Constitution established the kitchen from which future generations could prepare their meals

Wrong. The Constitution is written in stone. The process to change the Constitution is not electing the right judges. It's called the Amendment process which the founders included because they knew America and society would change over time and some articles may become outdated.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

That is the beautiful thing about the Constitution......We the People get to decide what we want from our Government

No, you people want to ELIMINATE the Constitution. The Constitution is NOT a "living Document" as you morons want to call it.
If it is allowed to be molded into a Communist manifesto, as you morons want, then it will no longer protect human rights.

You DO NOT get to decide what parts of the Constitution (like the 2nd amendment) go and which ones to re-write.

The goal of you Communist/Marxist Leftist is the complete dismantling of the Constitution and the installation of doctrines that are suited only to your own agendas.
The right seeks to protect and preserve the Union while the Left seeks to fracture and divide it.

Of course the Constitution is a living document. It is not the Bible passed down from the almighty. Courts were established in the Constitution and courts get to decide constitutional issues

The Constitution is not a cookbook telling you what you are allowed to cook and what ingredients you can use
The Constitution established the kitchen from which future generations could prepare their meals

Wrong. The Constitution is written in stone. The process to change the Constitution is not electing the right judges. It's called the Amendment process which the founders included because they knew America and society would change over time and some articles may become outdated.

The Founding Fathers also had no idea the amount of treason and the abject stupidity that would come to populate the nation.
The people they wrote these ideals for were actually GRATEFUL to be in a nation where they were not subject to the whim of a Monarch.

Vastly unlike the grubbers and snowflakes on the Left today.

 

[initforme]

you bet I'm in it for me. dI'd i wake up every day and work to help my country? God no. That was the very last thought on my mind. I took care of my family. Thats the only reaso. Thats how it is supposed to be. God first then family. I guess country is on the list somewhere.

 

[rightwinger]

No....the amendment process is for changing the Constitution
Most fall within court decisions

How's that kind of process as far as changing their fundamental government working for Brits in the UK?

Seems the radical Left there has welcomed Sharia Law and now it's biting them in the ass BIG time. Even radical leftist are fleeing the UK (see George Clooney) because of their own BS.
Their "Utopia" always turns out to be hell in reality.

We (The Right) will not stand by while you radical Leftists install enough judges to nullify our Constitution and destroy our Republic with Socialist / Communist ideology.

The courts can be corrupted.....that does not mean it's OK for the Constitution to be changed to suit those radical judges.

I read up to your Sharia Law rant

Then just filed you under nutcase

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

I read up to your Sharia Law rant
Then just filed you under nutcase

Typical Leftist....when defeated

Explain how even ONE part of it is not 100% accurate.......challenge

FACT: Sharia Law is now implemented in many communities throughout the UK
FACT: George Clooney and his wife left the UK due to concerns for their safety...yet liberalism rules there

 

[rightwinger]

I read up to your Sharia Law rant
Then just filed you under nutcase

Typical Leftist....when defeated

Explain how even ONE part of it is not 100% accurate.......challenge

Sharia law tipped your hand

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Sharia law tipped your hand

So you're a Muslim.....that explains a lot

 

[jknowgood]

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment, Obamacare

Conservatives want to end them all

The only thing that is true in that statement is end obamacare which has raised insurance rates ten fold, and most have to come up with a $7000 dollar deductible just to use it. Now show proof of your other asinine remarks.

 

[rightwinger]

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment, Obamacare

Conservatives want to end them all

The only thing that is true in that statement is end obamacare which has raised insurance rates ten fold, and most have to come up with a $7000 dollar deductible just to use it. Now show proof of your other asinine remarks.

Then why do conservatives want to cut Medicaid, restructure Social Security, slash welfare?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment, Obamacare

Conservatives want to end them all

The only thing that is true in that statement is end obamacare which has raised insurance rates ten fold, and most have to come up with a $7000 dollar deductible just to use it. Now show proof of your other asinine remarks.

Then why do conservatives want to cut Medicaid, restructure Social Security, slash welfare?

Answer the question coward

 

[jknowgood]

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment, Obamacare

Conservatives want to end them all

The only thing that is true in that statement is end obamacare which has raised insurance rates ten fold, and most have to come up with a $7000 dollar deductible just to use it. Now show proof of your other asinine remarks.

Then why do conservatives want to cut Medicaid, restructure Social Security, slash welfare?

The more government gets out of healthcare, the better off we will be. But the needy needs help, I see no problem with that. Privatize part of social security so you can invest part of YOUR money. Anyway it's just a government slush fund anyway. Welfare? Why would someone want to be supported on the backs of the tax payer. Yes if someone truly needs help. Help them, but when you see life long welfare recipients living better than the average tax payer. Time to cut it.