Freedom of Speech vs. Political Correctness

[NYcarbineer]

Who said that? Oh, no one. You are just so afraid of saying something un-PC you need to make a strawman to protect you.

Saying something un-PC can destroy your career, as Mike Ditka recently learned.

Mike Ditka was a bigoted dick anyway
Karma is a bitch that way.

In other words, you're in favor of PC being used to destroy people. Disliking Obama is not proof that you're a bigot, and it's certainly not a valid reason for losing your job.

He didn't lose his job. You know what's worse than whining about PC? Lying.

Then why are all the news outlets saying he was?

Mike Ditka to be removed from ESPN's 'Sunday NFL Countdown,' website reports

You lie.

Mike Ditka says he chose to leave NFL Countdown for new SportsCenter role

ESPN’s Mike Ditka won’t be appearing on ESPN’s Sunday and Monday NFL Countdown anymore — something he said through the network is his choice.

Instead, he’ll be appearing on SportsCenter.

“This new role is really a blessing,” Ditka said in a statement released by ESPN. “It’s something I asked for. After many years of weekend travel, I’m thrilled I’ll get to watch NFL games on Sundays and Monday nights in the comfort of my own home. I enjoy being part of the game and part of ESPN. I really do. So this is a great solution.”

The former coach signed a two-year extension with ESPN in his new role.

Mike Ditka says he chose to leave NFL Countdown for new SportsCenter role

You people really are the most disgracefully stupid and dishonest people on the planet.

 

[Valerie]

They'll continue to. They don't want to give this tactic up. Too effective, still.
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when a private television network offends the common sensibility of its audience with programming rife with bigotry, there is bound to be public backlash on their programming. get a grip, that is not a political TACTIC, it's the free market.

you weep for duck dynasty, paula dean, michael vick, donald sterling, etc...?

they simply reaped what they sowed in the FREE market.

only demented loons think of common sensibility as some sort of TACTIC.

 

[Valerie]

when it comes to mr trump, you can call it political when the American people reject his offensive rhetoric.

rational people don't feel comfortable with an ignorant buffoon representing the USA...

only ignorant loons blame the PC boogeyman for the geneva conventions


trump certainly knows all the right dog whistles to use on you idiots.

 

[Mac1958]

Political Correctness is not a constitutional issue, it's a cultural issue.

The PC Police aren't robbing you of your right to speak freely. What they have done instead is create a culture of intimidation and "consequences" for anyone who says anything they don't like. Does that work against the spirit of freedom of speech? Yes. But it's not about the Constitution.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it" is not on their minds. They want to shut you up, and they'll find a way to do it.
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Aren't you citing a distinction without a difference? "Intimidation" can be as potent a weapon against free speech as a loaded gun is during a robbery. Do you think that "protesters" who disrupt or prevent those with opposing views from speaking is merely a cultural issue? That argument itself is a demonstration of how PC is robbing us of our First Amendment rights.

Protesters who shout you down aren't taking away your rights. You can keep talking, even if no one can hear you.

PC Police who get you fired for "offending" them aren't taking away your rights. You can say whatever you want and suffer the consequences.

That's the difference. You can say anything you want. Your rights are secure. It's what they then do to you that matters. Yes, that's clearly against the spirit of Freedom of Speech, agreed. But what they are doing is not unconstitutional.
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True, but to a point. It does effect legislation. Also unnecessary actions(or lack thereof) by the local, state and federal agencies as well.

Yeah, I can see that. It starts within the culture and then spreads to legislation.
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List that legislation.

Legislation based on PC and/or Identity Politics?

You can't think of any?

Seriously?
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[Valerie]

when trump leads folks into a hitleresque salute, he's just having fun with the audience, silly...

 

[rightwinger]

Aren't you citing a distinction without a difference? "Intimidation" can be as potent a weapon against free speech as a loaded gun is during a robbery. Do you think that "protesters" who disrupt or prevent those with opposing views from speaking is merely a cultural issue? That argument itself is a demonstration of how PC is robbing us of our First Amendment rights.

Protesters who shout you down aren't taking away your rights. You can keep talking, even if no one can hear you.

PC Police who get you fired for "offending" them aren't taking away your rights. You can say whatever you want and suffer the consequences.

That's the difference. You can say anything you want. Your rights are secure. It's what they then do to you that matters. Yes, that's clearly against the spirit of Freedom of Speech, agreed. But what they are doing is not unconstitutional.
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True, but to a point. It does effect legislation. Also unnecessary actions(or lack thereof) by the local, state and federal agencies as well.

Yeah, I can see that. It starts within the culture and then spreads to legislation.
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List that legislation.

Legislation based on PC and/or Identity Politics?

You can't think of any?

Seriously?
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I'm curious

Can you provide any?

First amendment.....Congress shall pass no law...

 

[Valerie]

Aren't you citing a distinction without a difference? "Intimidation" can be as potent a weapon against free speech as a loaded gun is during a robbery. Do you think that "protesters" who disrupt or prevent those with opposing views from speaking is merely a cultural issue? That argument itself is a demonstration of how PC is robbing us of our First Amendment rights.

Protesters who shout you down aren't taking away your rights. You can keep talking, even if no one can hear you.

PC Police who get you fired for "offending" them aren't taking away your rights. You can say whatever you want and suffer the consequences.

That's the difference. You can say anything you want. Your rights are secure. It's what they then do to you that matters. Yes, that's clearly against the spirit of Freedom of Speech, agreed. But what they are doing is not unconstitutional.
.

True, but to a point. It does effect legislation. Also unnecessary actions(or lack thereof) by the local, state and federal agencies as well.

Yeah, I can see that. It starts within the culture and then spreads to legislation.
.

List that legislation.

Legislation based on PC and/or Identity Politics?

You can't think of any?

Seriously?
.

you obviously can't

 

[NYcarbineer]

Aren't you citing a distinction without a difference? "Intimidation" can be as potent a weapon against free speech as a loaded gun is during a robbery. Do you think that "protesters" who disrupt or prevent those with opposing views from speaking is merely a cultural issue? That argument itself is a demonstration of how PC is robbing us of our First Amendment rights.

Protesters who shout you down aren't taking away your rights. You can keep talking, even if no one can hear you.

PC Police who get you fired for "offending" them aren't taking away your rights. You can say whatever you want and suffer the consequences.

That's the difference. You can say anything you want. Your rights are secure. It's what they then do to you that matters. Yes, that's clearly against the spirit of Freedom of Speech, agreed. But what they are doing is not unconstitutional.
.

True, but to a point. It does effect legislation. Also unnecessary actions(or lack thereof) by the local, state and federal agencies as well.

Yeah, I can see that. It starts within the culture and then spreads to legislation.
.

List that legislation.

Legislation based on PC and/or Identity Politics?

You can't think of any?

Seriously?
.

Apparently you can't either, based on that post.

 

[Mac1958]

Protesters who shout you down aren't taking away your rights. You can keep talking, even if no one can hear you.

PC Police who get you fired for "offending" them aren't taking away your rights. You can say whatever you want and suffer the consequences.

That's the difference. You can say anything you want. Your rights are secure. It's what they then do to you that matters. Yes, that's clearly against the spirit of Freedom of Speech, agreed. But what they are doing is not unconstitutional.
.

True, but to a point. It does effect legislation. Also unnecessary actions(or lack thereof) by the local, state and federal agencies as well.

Yeah, I can see that. It starts within the culture and then spreads to legislation.
.

List that legislation.

Legislation based on PC and/or Identity Politics?

You can't think of any?

Seriously?
.

Apparently you can't either, based on that post.

I guess I assumed you'd at least come up with hate crime legislation, for starters.

And then I figured you'd spin out of that.

Good gawd, you folks are so wrapped up in your cocoon that you're impossible to deal with.

Here, just for you - I'm absolutely wrong about everything I say. You're absolutely right about everything you say.

I'm not gonna burn any more time on you.
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[Mac1958]

Freakin' long-form Twilight Zone here.

 

[NYcarbineer]

True, but to a point. It does effect legislation. Also unnecessary actions(or lack thereof) by the local, state and federal agencies as well.

Yeah, I can see that. It starts within the culture and then spreads to legislation.
.

List that legislation.

Legislation based on PC and/or Identity Politics?

You can't think of any?

Seriously?
.

Apparently you can't either, based on that post.

I guess I assumed you'd at least come up with hate crime legislation, for starters.

And then I figured you'd spin out of that.

Good gawd, you folks are so wrapped up in your cocoon that you're impossible to deal with.

Here, just for you - I'm absolutely wrong about everything I say. You're absolutely right about everything you say.

I'm not gonna burn any more time on you.
.

Hate crime legislation has nothing to do with political correctness.

 

[Mac1958]

Yeah, I can see that. It starts within the culture and then spreads to legislation.
.

List that legislation.

Legislation based on PC and/or Identity Politics?

You can't think of any?

Seriously?
.

Apparently you can't either, based on that post.

I guess I assumed you'd at least come up with hate crime legislation, for starters.

And then I figured you'd spin out of that.

Good gawd, you folks are so wrapped up in your cocoon that you're impossible to deal with.

Here, just for you - I'm absolutely wrong about everything I say. You're absolutely right about everything you say.

I'm not gonna burn any more time on you.
.

Hate crime legislation has nothing to do with political correctness.

Yes, you're absolutely right.
.

 

[jon_berzerk]

PC is freedom of speech. You people are a hoot.

why are you folks always so backwards

cold is hot

left is right

now pc is free speech

--LOL

 

[rightwinger]

PC is freedom of speech. You people are a hoot.

why are you folks always so backwards

cold is hot

left is right

now pc is free speech

--LOL

PC is free speech

You say something that I find offensive, my freedom of speech says I get to say something about it

 

[NYcarbineer]

List that legislation.

Legislation based on PC and/or Identity Politics?

You can't think of any?

Seriously?
.

Apparently you can't either, based on that post.

I guess I assumed you'd at least come up with hate crime legislation, for starters.

And then I figured you'd spin out of that.

Good gawd, you folks are so wrapped up in your cocoon that you're impossible to deal with.

Here, just for you - I'm absolutely wrong about everything I say. You're absolutely right about everything you say.

I'm not gonna burn any more time on you.
.

Hate crime legislation has nothing to do with political correctness.

Yes, you're absolutely right.
.

Here's the Supreme Court decision that decided hate crime legislation was constitutional.

You tell us where the imposition of political correctness occurs:

FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.

 

[Mac1958]

Legislation based on PC and/or Identity Politics?

You can't think of any?

Seriously?
.

Apparently you can't either, based on that post.

I guess I assumed you'd at least come up with hate crime legislation, for starters.

And then I figured you'd spin out of that.

Good gawd, you folks are so wrapped up in your cocoon that you're impossible to deal with.

Here, just for you - I'm absolutely wrong about everything I say. You're absolutely right about everything you say.

I'm not gonna burn any more time on you.
.

Hate crime legislation has nothing to do with political correctness.

Yes, you're absolutely right.
.

Here's the Supreme Court decision that decided hate crime legislation was constitutional.

You tell us where the imposition of political correctness occurs:

FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.

You're absolutely right.
.

 

[jon_berzerk]

PC is freedom of speech. You people are a hoot.

why are you folks always so backwards

cold is hot

left is right

now pc is free speech

--LOL

PC is free speech

You say something that I find offensive, my freedom of speech says I get to say something about it

with pc speech you are not free to do so dummy

 

[Care4all]

I believe that freedom of speech is our most important Constitutional right and that political correctness is its greatest adversary. The question is, who among our Presidential candidates will be its greatest defender?

The answer, obviously, is Donald Trump. You may not like his speech, but he is the embodiment of exercising that right. Ted Cruz makes good legal arguments, and the rest of the GOP candidates espouse conservative Constitutional principles, but Trump is the only one who puts his money where his mouth is.

Of course this "offends" those who want to control your speech, your thoughts and your money. Isn't it time we finally tell these people to "fuck off?"

Trump as the embodiment of the exercising of free speech. Yeah. Just like David Duke is also the embodiment of the exercise of free speech.

That doesn't make either one of them the best choice for office.

Trump, Mr. Bring suit against anyone who speaks against him, Mr. Throw out of the people in my rally who do not agree with me, is the embodiment of free speech???

Surely you are kidding....?

 

[rightwinger]

PC is freedom of speech. You people are a hoot.

why are you folks always so backwards

cold is hot

left is right

now pc is free speech

--LOL

PC is free speech

You say something that I find offensive, my freedom of speech says I get to say something about it

with pc speech you are not free to do so dummy

Of course you are

You can say any non-PC thing you want ....it is a free country
You can also be criticized for it....it is a free country

 

[jon_berzerk]

I believe that freedom of speech is our most important Constitutional right and that political correctness is its greatest adversary. The question is, who among our Presidential candidates will be its greatest defender?

The answer, obviously, is Donald Trump. You may not like his speech, but he is the embodiment of exercising that right. Ted Cruz makes good legal arguments, and the rest of the GOP candidates espouse conservative Constitutional principles, but Trump is the only one who puts his money where his mouth is.

Of course this "offends" those who want to control your speech, your thoughts and your money. Isn't it time we finally tell these people to "fuck off?"

Trump as the embodiment of the exercising of free speech. Yeah. Just like David Duke is also the embodiment of the exercise of free speech.

That doesn't make either one of them the best choice for office.

Trump, Mr. Bring suit against anyone who speaks against him, Mr. Throw out of the people in my rally who do not agree with me, is the embodiment of free speech???

Surely you are kidding....?

Throw out of the people in my rally who do not agree with me, is the embodiment of free speech???

you mean like hillary does

some free speech huh

"Senator Clinton, will you restore Glass-Steagall?" Burke yelled.

Clinton, who was speaking in Manhattan at The New School, appeared taken aback. She did not answer his question. Her supporters in the audience eventually started clapping to drown out Burke and security escorted him from the building.

Heckler ejected from Hillary Clinton speech after interrupting to ask about Wall Street regulation