Hitler, Fascism and the right wing

[2aguy]

The greatest mass murderers in history were all socialists....of one type or another....deal with it....

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Ah! Your amazing powers of analytic reasoning cannot be bested. I guess I will just have to resign myself to the FACT that anyone who is deceitful or a fraud or just plain ignorant is a socialist.

Which means a very large portion of this forum, including you, are socialists.

Your own ignorance has created a paradox!

Well, you can rest assured that anyone who uses Deceit and Fraud as a means to influence the Ignorant are adhering TO the fundamental elements of socialism.

If you'd like to show an example of someone who you know to be or HAS used those elements, but who you feel was NOT a socialist, I'll show ya where your conclusion is mistaken... .

 

[Discombobulated]

Have you been reading any of this thread? Hitler played to whatever crowd he was in -whether it was capitalist, socialist or whatever. If he called his party National Socialists, it was because he perceived that was the way the wind was blowing. It doesn't make it the truth.

He modified the socialist worker's party to be racist in nature and the economics didn't change with the crowd. Why name the party one thing and try to appeal to another? That isn't what happened.

I posted articles that support it so maybe you need to read more.

I see your difficulty now, it's the use of the word socialist that has you confused. Let me ask you this bug wit: Does the word democrat in Democratic Party make them more democratic than Republicans?

 

[Discombobulated]

You believe this because you apparently lack the intellectual capacity to understand the difference between socialism and fascism.

Fascism is the term the communists used to distinguish themselves from the national socialists who kicked them out of Germany....fascism, nazism and communism are all different flavors of socialism....

Another scholar weighs in with no historical perspective of any kind.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Have you been reading any of this thread? Hitler played to whatever crowd he was in -whether it was capitalist, socialist or whatever. If he called his party National Socialists, it was because he perceived that was the way the wind was blowing. It doesn't make it the truth.

He modified the socialist worker's party to be racist in nature and the economics didn't change with the crowd. Why name the party one thing and try to appeal to another? That isn't what happened.

I posted articles that support it so maybe you need to read more.

I see your difficulty now, it's the use of the word socialist that has you confused. Let me ask you this bug wit: Does the word democrat in Democratic Party make them more democratic than Republicans?

No... it does however mean that those individuals are using deceitful means to fraudulently cast themselves as that which they're not, as a means to influence the ignorant. Which means that they're socialists.

Just as Histler was demonstrating himself a socialists when he used the idea that democracy was the solution in a nation wherein the culture had long since demonstrated that they were incapable of governing themselves.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

You believe this because you apparently lack the intellectual capacity to understand the difference between socialism and fascism.

Fascism is the term the communists used to distinguish themselves from the national socialists who kicked them out of Germany....fascism, nazism and communism are all different flavors of socialism....

Another scholar weighs in with no historical perspective of any kind.

A wonderful concession of the default variety.

Noted and accepted.

 

[Wry Catcher]

To understand the dupes, you have to realize this "Hitler was a socialist" bs comes from a book called Liberal Fascism and Glenn Beck- who makes $70 million/year spreading all kinds of crappe to his chumps. They inhabit a bizarre alternate universe.

Never read it, chump. Socialist means socialist in the real world. Being a national socialist doesn't mean it's not socialist. And being stuck on stupid won't make it so.

So by your way of thinking (excuse the expression) North Korea is both a Republic of the People and Democratic, since it's official name is : Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

You got one thing right, we can't fix stupid.

 

[Saigon]

You believe this because you apparently lack the intellectual capacity to understand the difference between socialism and fascism.

Fascism is the term the communists used to distinguish themselves from the national socialists who kicked them out of Germany....fascism, nazism and communism are all different flavors of socialism....

And yet virtually every major history book, dictionary and enyclopedia written in the past 60 years disagrees with you, and most explain exactly why.

We're not talking communist crap here, but stuff written right around the world by the absolutely best historians we have. Some of these books come right out of the bowels of the Nazi movement.

So where did they get it wrong, Bill?

Also - the question everyone so far has dodged - where do you put Antonescu, Stroessner and Franco in all of this?

Are all fascists socialists, or only some of them? How does that work?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The greatest mass murderers in history were all socialists....of one type or another....deal with it....

I knew there was something suspicious about Timothy McVeigh.

 

[Saigon]

Why name the party one thing and try to appeal to another?

Because Hitler DID NOT NAME the party, bauble. He inherited the name. Honestly.....

 

[Saigon]

Yet that doesn't change that 'reactionary' was a foolish term when the socialist Robespierre, in reacting to political currents of his day, created the term, and that the NATIONAL SOCIALISTS ARE: SOCIALISTS!

Have you been reading any of this thread? Hitler played to whatever crowd he was in -whether it was capitalist, socialist or whatever. If he called his party National Socialists, it was because he perceived that was the way the wind was blowing. It doesn't make it the truth.

That's true, his saying it didn't make it the truth. However, his policy of government completely controlling the economy did make it the truth that he was a socialist.

You believe this because you apparently lack the intellectual capacity to understand the difference between socialism and fascism.

Explain the difference to us, Joe. We're all dying to watch you display your ignorance.

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
   synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy;More
   • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism

Bravo, Joe!

If these guys read enough of these crystal clear definitions, it may at some point sink in. Except that I sense that by thisstage a few are only trying to save face anyway....

 

[Discombobulated]

Have you been reading any of this thread? Hitler played to whatever crowd he was in -whether it was capitalist, socialist or whatever. If he called his party National Socialists, it was because he perceived that was the way the wind was blowing. It doesn't make it the truth.

He modified the socialist worker's party to be racist in nature and the economics didn't change with the crowd. Why name the party one thing and try to appeal to another? That isn't what happened.

I posted articles that support it so maybe you need to read more.

I see your difficulty now, it's the use of the word socialist that has you confused. Let me ask you this bug wit: Does the word democrat in Democratic Party make them more democratic than Republicans?

No... it does however mean that those individuals are using deceitful means to fraudulently cast themselves as that which they're not, as a means to influence the ignorant. Which means that they're socialists.

Just as Histler was demonstrating himself a socialists when he used the idea that democracy was the solution in a nation wherein the culture had long since demonstrated that they were incapable of governing themselves.

Once again your incredibly fanciful characterizations do not reflect actual history. You have nothing to substantiate your view, you'll have to do better if you want to overturn widely accepted, thoroughly documented history.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

So by your way of thinking (excuse the expression) North Korea is both a Republic of the People and Democratic, since it's official name is : Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

You got one thing right, we can't fix stupid.

ROFLMNAO!

You are a helpless imbecile.

North Korea LITERALLY IS a Republic... As such North Korea, being communist in its foundational Ideology is also DECEPTIVE in its reasoning, is prone toward the use of FRAUDULENCE IN ITS PRACTICES which serve to influence the ignorant.

ALL COMMUNIST NATIONS CLAIM TO BE DEMOCRATIC... and all communist nations came about such THROUGH DEMOCRACY.

They literally stupified the populations until THEY LITERALLY VOTED TO ENSLAVE THEMSELVES.

And to this day, regular elections come and go in every socialist nation... and with every election comes more socialism. With the opposition to socialism being socialists... and the proponents of socialism, being socialist.

It is a practice in delusion that is truly not to be believed.

 

[Wry Catcher]

So by your way of thinking (excuse the expression) North Korea is both a Republic of the People and Democratic, since it's official name is : Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

You got one thing right, we can't fix stupid.

ROFLMNAO!

You are a helpless imbecile.

North Korea LITERALLY IS a Republic... As such North Korea, being communist in its foundational Ideology is also DECEPTIVE in its reasoning, is prone toward the use of FRAUDULENCE IN ITS PRACTICES which serve to influence the ignorant.

ALL COMMUNIST NATIONS CLAIM TO BE DEMOCRATIC... and all communist nations came about such THROUGH DEMOCRACY.

They literally stupified the populations until THEY LITERALLY VOTED TO ENSLAVE THEMSELVES.

And to this day, regular elections come and go in every socialist nation... and with every election comes more socialism. With the opposition to socialism being socialists... and the proponents of socialism, being socialist.

It is a practice in delusion that is truly not to be believed.

In all honesty, you're either a liar, a fool or someone with nothing to do and seeking some entertainment. If the latter, you may entertain yourself, but it is nothing more than a form of mental masturbation.

 

[Meathead]

Have you been reading any of this thread? Hitler played to whatever crowd he was in -whether it was capitalist, socialist or whatever. If he called his party National Socialists, it was because he perceived that was the way the wind was blowing. It doesn't make it the truth.

That's true, his saying it didn't make it the truth. However, his policy of government completely controlling the economy did make it the truth that he was a socialist.

You believe this because you apparently lack the intellectual capacity to understand the difference between socialism and fascism.

Explain the difference to us, Joe. We're all dying to watch you display your ignorance.

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
   synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy;More
   • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism

Now you're carrying on like a dingbat. Ever heard of "Völkisch equality"? It was one of the central themes of Nazi doctrine.

Bravo, Joe!

If these guys read enough of these crystal clear definitions, it may at some point sink in. Except that I sense that by thisstage a few are only trying to save face anyway....

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
   synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy;More
   • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism

fas·cism:

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

so·cial·ism:

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Isn't it wild how the definition of 'fascism' the 'scholar' specifically labeled the concept: "right-wing".

YET in the definition of "socialism", the 'scholar' did NOT specifically label it 'Left-wing'?

Now... LOL! I wonder why they would do that?

Does it follow that the traits of fascism are 'right-wing', because they're distinct from 'left-wing' traits?

Nope... because the reference source doesn't provide any guidance on leftwing traits.

It merely states that the traits: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy are right-wing.

But if THAT were true, then socialism would be fascism... EXCEPT for one teeny tiny little notation wherein the 'scholar' sought to label 'fascism' as 'right-wing', on NO OTHER DISCERNIBLE BASIS THAN THEY NEEDED TO DO SO AS A MEANS OF ESTABLISHING SUCH BY SCHOLARLY EDICT!

LOL!

So as our in-house comrades have so often pointed out, the ONLY REASON that ANYONE would EVER conclude that fascism is 'right-wing' is that SCHOLARS "SAY" IT IS!

And no matter where ya go, no matter what text book you search, or what speech you listen to, THEIR STATEMENT THAT FASCISM IS 'RIGHT-WING' IS BASED UPON ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... BEYOND THEIR SUBJECTIVE NEED FOR IT TO BE: "RIGHT-WING."

Is there some means to 'get' to "the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." that is NOT authoritarian, totalitarian and which would not be operated by a dictatorship, despot and how could such NOT BE AUTOCRATIC?

 

[Discombobulated]

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
   synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy;More
   • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism

Isn't it wild how the definition of 'fascism' the 'scholar' specifically labeled the concept: "right-wing".

YET in the definition of "socialism", the 'scholar' did NOT specifically label it 'Left-wing'?

Now... LOL! I wonder why they would do that?

Does it follow that the traits of fascism are 'right-wing', because they're distinct from 'left-wing' traits?

Nope... because the reference source doesn't provide any guidance on leftwing traits.

It merely states that the traits: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy are right-wing.

But if THAT were true, then socialism would be fascism... EXCEPT for one teeny tiny little notation wherein the 'scholar' sought to label 'fascism' as 'right-wing', on NO OTHER DISCERNIBLE BASIS THAN THEY NEEDED TO DO SO AS A MEANS OF ESTABLISHING SUCH BY SCHOLARLY EDICT!

LOL!

So as our in-house comrades have so often pointed out, the ONLY REASON that ANYONE would EVER conclude that fascism is 'right-wing' is that SCHOLARS "SAY" IT IS!

And no matter where ya go, no matter what text book you search, or what speech you listen to, THEIR STATEMENT THAT FASCISM IS 'RIGHT-WING' IS BASED UPON ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... BEYOND THEIR SUBJECTIVE NEED FOR IT TO BE: "RIGHT-WING."

Based on what I've seen so far I'd be very surprised if some foundation hadn't already offered funding for you to start your own think tank.

 

[kaz]

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
   synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy;More
   • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

Do you notice that all those words apply to Russia and China? Again, the only difference in this definition is the unsubstantiated claim it's "right wing."

If you go back to what the Nazis did, it was central economic planning. Again, exactly like China and Russia. Are any bulbs going off yet?

 

[Discombobulated]

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
   synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy;More
   • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

Do you notice that all those words apply to Russia and China? Again, the only difference in this definition is the unsubstantiated claim it's "right wing."

If you go back to what the Nazis did, it was central economic planning. Again, exactly like China and Russia. Are any bulbs going off yet?

So you've uncovered the diabolical connection, a government that plans an economy......like every other government on earth. Imagine that, everyone is secretly communist and didn't know it.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

So by your way of thinking (excuse the expression) North Korea is both a Republic of the People and Democratic, since it's official name is : Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

You got one thing right, we can't fix stupid.

ROFLMNAO!

You are a helpless imbecile.

North Korea LITERALLY IS a Republic... As such North Korea, being communist in its foundational Ideology is also DECEPTIVE in its reasoning, is prone toward the use of FRAUDULENCE IN ITS PRACTICES which serve to influence the ignorant.

ALL COMMUNIST NATIONS CLAIM TO BE DEMOCRATIC... and all communist nations came about such THROUGH DEMOCRACY.

They literally stupified the populations until THEY LITERALLY VOTED TO ENSLAVE THEMSELVES.

And to this day, regular elections come and go in every socialist nation... and with every election comes more socialism. With the opposition to socialism being socialists... and the proponents of socialism, being socialist.

It is a practice in delusion that is truly not to be believed.

In all honesty, you're either a liar, a fool or someone with nothing to do and seeking some entertainment. If the latter, you may entertain yourself, but it is nothing more than a form of mental masturbation.

OH! Actually what you NEEDED to do there, IF 'credibility' was something with which you're concerned, was to post what a Republic is:

Republic: a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

Then prove that North Korea does NOT hold regular elections... here, let me help ya out here:

Elections in North Korea - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Elections in North Korea are held every five years. At the national level, North Koreans elect a legislature, the Supreme People's Assembly (SPA). In addition to the Supreme People's Assembly, the people elect representatives to city, county, and provincial "people's assemblies".

All seats are won by the Democratic Front for the Reunification of the Fatherland. The Workers' Party of Korea dominates the Front and held 87.5% of the seats, with 7.4% for the Korean Social Democratic Party, 3.2% for the Chondoist Chongu Party, and 1.9% for independent deputies.[4] According to official reports, turnout is near 100%, and approval of the Democratic Front's candidates is unanimous or nearly so.

Then prove that North Korea is NOT a state run by THE PEOPLE... See: Above.

Now... you probably feel that the way THEY DO IT is illegitimate. That because they use the power of the state to defend the power of the state, thus ensuring the power of the state remains with the power of the state and that 'the state' in no way represents 'the people'... and you'd likely find some support from me in that position.

Where you'd find yourself at odds with my support, would be in your chronic advocacies that PROMOTE THE SAME DAM' THING COMING TO THE UNITED STATES... .

Because you lack the intellectual depth to realize that those things you support PROMOTE THAT CRAP COMING HERE.

And THAT is why I so frequently note your intellectual deficiencies and THAT is why your attempts to mimic me, are so dam' ADORABLE! In a sad, pathetic sort of way... .