I'm Leaving the Conservative Party

[geauxtohell]

I have been a registered Conservative since the first Reagan election, they best represent my principles and beliefs. But the time has come to say goodbye.

It's not that the Conservative Party has done anything wrong, it's that the Republican Party needs me, needs us more.

We, Conservatives, the base of the Party and the country, must take over the Republican Party and start to turn the country around. Our task is formidable: too many Republicans believe that Washington DC is the US Economy.

We must get involved at the local level. If we are Conservative Party members, we do not get to run the local Republican Party. It's time to send the Neo-Marxist Enablers known as Republican Moderates packing, they've done nothing but damage the brand and have lost every time they try to lead.

It's alright. We never believed that bullshit line of "I am not a Republican, I am a Conservative!" anyways.

 

[Toro]

Romney lost by 5 million. According to FoxNews, 8 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney. Romney received the second most votes for a Republican in history.

Why is making the Republican party more conservative a winning formula?

Didn't say how many voters that were alienated by the chickenshit played by the RNC at the convention affected the election, did they?

When are we ever going to get polls of people who stayed home and why they do so?

Romney won more votes for a Republican than any in history except one. So where are all these conservatives who stayed home?

 

[Shelzin]

I feel much of your frustration - But the GOP has been putting up moderate Republican canidates since George H Bush. Theyforgot the lessons of Reagan.

OH!!!! A new guy... Maybe he can answer.

What was Mitt moderate on?

 

[Shelzin]

Romney lost by 5 million. According to FoxNews, 8 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney. Romney received the second most votes for a Republican in history.

Why is making the Republican party more conservative a winning formula?

Didn't say how many voters that were alienated by the chickenshit played by the RNC at the convention affected the election, did they?

When are we ever going to get polls of people who stayed home and why they do so?

Romney won more votes for a Republican than any in history except one. So where are all these conservatives who stayed home?

And he lost... I'm not sure how you have it bouncing around in your head that your statement somehow promotes that he was the right candidate to run against Obama.

I mean I think we both can agree that Obama is one of the worst presidents in history. And a guy who has gotten more votes than all other republican presidents save one in the history of presidential elections lost to him... Hello? (I didn't fact check your statement and just assumed it was true... But... I if it is...???)

 

[Shelzin]

I have been a registered Conservative since the first Reagan election, they best represent my principles and beliefs. But the time has come to say goodbye.

It's not that the Conservative Party has done anything wrong, it's that the Republican Party needs me, needs us more.

We, Conservatives, the base of the Party and the country, must take over the Republican Party and start to turn the country around. Our task is formidable: too many Republicans believe that Washington DC is the US Economy.

We must get involved at the local level. If we are Conservative Party members, we do not get to run the local Republican Party. It's time to send the Neo-Marxist Enablers known as Republican Moderates packing, they've done nothing but damage the brand and have lost every time they try to lead.

It's alright. We never believed that bullshit line of "I am not a Republican, I am a Conservative!" anyways.

Well... There certainly is a difference between a conservative and a Republican. In my view anyway... I suppose if you are young enough not to remember what a conservative is a couple decades ago then they might be one and the same.

 

[Toro]

Didn't say how many voters that were alienated by the chickenshit played by the RNC at the convention affected the election, did they?

When are we ever going to get polls of people who stayed home and why they do so?

Romney won more votes for a Republican than any in history except one. So where are all these conservatives who stayed home?

And he lost... I'm not sure how you have it bouncing around in your head that your statement somehow promotes that he was the right candidate to run against Obama.

I mean I think we both can agree that Obama is one of the worst presidents in history. And a guy who has gotten more votes than all other republican presidents save one in the history of presidential elections lost to him... Hello? (I didn't fact check your statement and just assumed it was true... But... I if it is...???)

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[beagle9]

I have been a registered Conservative since the first Reagan election, they best represent my principles and beliefs. But the time has come to say goodbye.

It's not that the Conservative Party has done anything wrong, it's that the Republican Party needs me, needs us more.

We, Conservatives, the base of the Party and the country, must take over the Republican Party and start to turn the country around. Our task is formidable: too many Republicans believe that Washington DC is the US Economy.

We must get involved at the local level. If we are Conservative Party members, we do not get to run the local Republican Party. It's time to send the Neo-Marxist Enablers known as Republican Moderates packing, they've done nothing but damage the brand and have lost every time they try to lead.

I feel much of your frustration - But the GOP has been putting up moderate Republican canidates since George H Bush. Theyforgot the lessons of Reagan.

To be sure George H Bush won on the coat tails of Reagan - basically people assumed that since he was Reagan's vice president he must be in line with Reagan's brand of conservativism. The reality is - he was much more moderate than Reagan, he just looked better than Michael Dukockis.

But when you put the moderate George H Bush up against the moderate Bill Clinton(and yes Bill Clinton was a moderate compared to Obama) - it caused a civil war amongest conservatives and we got Ross Perot in there to spoil the election for George H Bush and give it to Clinton(who won with less than half the vote).

Then we put up the sad moderate canidate - Bob Dole, again had no chance against the charimatic and practical Bill Clinton(who has successfully moved himself to center by 96 election).

George W Bush was more conservative than his dad, but yet still not a Reagan conservative - he had the silly "compassionate conservative" thing going on. Where he was super conservative was on low taxes(thankfully) - where he was not conservative was on immigration and spending(big spender - eg. Medicare prescription drug plan).

George W Bush though, had a very likeable personality(similar to Reagan) and he was much more likeable than the stiff canidates of Al Gore and John Kerry. So he continued to win elections(and yes I voted for him both times - and yes I voted for Bob Dole even though I knew he had no chance).

Then we had Mccain - massive moderate canidate - basically Bob Dole 2.0. Old moderate white guy war hero - this would have worked in Eikes time - but not now. Obama was younger and more charismatic - it was a slam dunk.

Then we had Romney this time around - better looking, but still a stiff. And he was successfully painted as a uncaring rich guy by Obama. But he failed to take the fight to Obama, he failed to call Obama the socialist that he really is, in short Romney failed to get his hands dirty so he he lost.

But really is it any suprise Romney could'nt get down in the trenches and get his hands dirty? Nope. That is the problem with moderates often times...they are way too nice and since they don't have a true conservative core that sees socialism as evil(as Reagan did) they will not be successful.

You see Romney would just say Obama was mistaken - if he was a Reagan - he would have called Obama's policies socialist and evil. Until we get a true Reagan conservative who is willing to take the gloves off and energize his party and the country behind him - we will keep loosing elections.

Thinking back about it now or a little, I can't help but think about how Romney kept it strictly business with the campaign himself, and he did not attack Obama personally or his family personally, but what Obama allowed and did to Romney is very revealing about how dirty this guy and his team got. He could have said instantly about that add concerning the man's wife dying of cancer, ((("HEY guy's how about lets not go there, because that is not how me and my family roll in situations like that, nor do we advocate or mis-construe situations like that for political adds or reasons))), and we expect the same decency from Mitt Romney and camp, and it apears we are getting it on the personal levels, so lets not even go there....

Unless I missed something, did I miss something ? Let the slinging begin....

 

[bobcollum]

I have been a registered Conservative since the first Reagan election, they best represent my principles and beliefs. But the time has come to say goodbye.

It's not that the Conservative Party has done anything wrong, it's that the Republican Party needs me, needs us more.

We, Conservatives, the base of the Party and the country, must take over the Republican Party and start to turn the country around. Our task is formidable: too many Republicans believe that Washington DC is the US Economy.

We must get involved at the local level. If we are Conservative Party members, we do not get to run the local Republican Party. It's time to send the Neo-Marxist Enablers known as Republican Moderates packing, they've done nothing but damage the brand and have lost every time they try to lead.

I feel much of your frustration - But the GOP has been putting up moderate Republican canidates since George H Bush. Theyforgot the lessons of Reagan.

To be sure George H Bush won on the coat tails of Reagan - basically people assumed that since he was Reagan's vice president he must be in line with Reagan's brand of conservativism. The reality is - he was much more moderate than Reagan, he just looked better than Michael Dukockis.

But when you put the moderate George H Bush up against the moderate Bill Clinton(and yes Bill Clinton was a moderate compared to Obama) - it caused a civil war amongest conservatives and we got Ross Perot in there to spoil the election for George H Bush and give it to Clinton(who won with less than half the vote).

Then we put up the sad moderate canidate - Bob Dole, again had no chance against the charimatic and practical Bill Clinton(who has successfully moved himself to center by 96 election).

George W Bush was more conservative than his dad, but yet still not a Reagan conservative - he had the silly "compassionate conservative" thing going on. Where he was super conservative was on low taxes(thankfully) - where he was not conservative was on immigration and spending(big spender - eg. Medicare prescription drug plan).

George W Bush though, had a very likeable personality(similar to Reagan) and he was much more likeable than the stiff canidates of Al Gore and John Kerry. So he continued to win elections(and yes I voted for him both times - and yes I voted for Bob Dole even though I knew he had no chance).

Then we had Mccain - massive moderate canidate - basically Bob Dole 2.0. Old moderate white guy war hero - this would have worked in Eikes time - but not now. Obama was younger and more charismatic - it was a slam dunk.

Then we had Romney this time around - better looking, but still a stiff. And he was successfully painted as a uncaring rich guy by Obama. But he failed to take the fight to Obama, he failed to call Obama the socialist that he really is, in short Romney failed to get his hands dirty so he he lost.

But really is it any suprise Romney could'nt get down in the trenches and get his hands dirty? Nope. That is the problem with moderates often times...they are way too nice and since they don't have a true conservative core that sees socialism as evil(as Reagan did) they will not be successful.

You see Romney would just say Obama was mistaken - if he was a Reagan - he would have called Obama's policies socialist and evil. Until we get a true Reagan conservative who is willing to take the gloves off and energize his party and the country behind him - we will keep loosing elections.

Thinking back about it now or a little, I can't help but think about how Romney kept it strictly business with the campaign himself, and he did not attack Obama personally or his family personally, but what Obama allowed and did to Romney is very revealing about how dirty this guy and his team got. He could have said instantly about that add concerning the man's wife dying of cancer, ((("HEY guy's how about lets not go there, because that is not how me and my family roll in situations like that, nor do we advocate or mis-construe situations like that for political adds or reasons))), and we expect the same decency from Mitt Romney and camp, and it apears we are getting it on the personal levels, so lets not even go there....

Unless I missed something, did I miss something ? Let the slinging begin....

Right, when slinging went towards Romney, it was all Obama's personal idea, when slinging went to Obama, it was people unassociated with Romney, in fact, he would've rather just stayed professional.

Got it.

 

[Dragonlady]

Newt, Rick, Herman and the rest of the Republican Presidential Contenders, are the ones who destroyed Romney in the eyes of the voters, abetted by Fox, Rush and Sheldon Adelson who did not want Romney as a candidate because he was too moderate, and the right-wing reglious wing-nuts who didn't want him because he was a Mormon. All of those people excoriated Romney during the primary season in an effort to win the nomination or to keep Romney from winning it. For me that was the best part of the election campaign. I was sorry to see it end.

Nothing Obama said or did came close to the brutal destruction of "When Mitt Romney Came to Town". I watched that during the Republican Primaries and it's amazing to me that he still won the nomination. From the moment that thing started getting airplay, Romney's lead in the primary polls started dropping like a stone. Best piece of character assassination I've ever seen. Nobody can rip you to shreds like the Republicans on a mission. It was just shocking to see it do them to one of their own.

Political Animal - ‘When Mitt Romney Came to Town’

Of course Mittens cemented his image as a heartless bastard with his 47% speech. 60% of women voted for Obama because of that plank in the Republican Platform calling for a Constitutional Amendment to protect the rights of the Unborn, defunding of Planned Parenthood and what one can only call the "legitimate rape" faction of the Republican Party. Someone tweeted that it was a sad comment on the Republican Party today that when I asked if the "legitimate rape" guy won, the response was "Which one?". Immigration issues cost Romney the Latino vote.

There was also that whole "Obama doesn't understand traditional American values" line that Republicans used in the campaign that Asians, Latinos and blacks all interpreted as "Obama's not a rich white guy" and and since none of these people are white like Republicans either, they figured that Republicans are only interested in people with "traditional American values" which you can read as "other rich white people" and since they aren't white either, they voted for Obama.

Obama didn't beat the Republicans so much as the Republicans beat themselves.

 

[Unkotare]

The cancer in America is liberalism. People like you. Too bad you will not remove yourself.

You are such a redneck. I mean in real life, I can just tell. You have a photo of your dog posing with your gun. "BigRebNC"? Lets see...you live in NC, probably way out in the sticks. You likely drive a huge truck that you have no use for. I just know you have rebel flag stickers on it. And about a 110% chance you are obese, wear sleeveless shirts, and chew tobacco.

Yep. That sounds about right. And when you tell people where you are from, its pronounced "Nawth Kuuurrlina"

You conger up images of a fag with a dick up his ass

That's just because you have that image in your head 24/7.

 

[Shelzin]

Romney won more votes for a Republican than any in history except one. So where are all these conservatives who stayed home?

And he lost... I'm not sure how you have it bouncing around in your head that your statement somehow promotes that he was the right candidate to run against Obama.

I mean I think we both can agree that Obama is one of the worst presidents in history. And a guy who has gotten more votes than all other republican presidents save one in the history of presidential elections lost to him... Hello? (I didn't fact check your statement and just assumed it was true... But... I if it is...???)

That doesn't answer my question.

The question has no meaning. Where are they? Well... If they didn't stay home, then obviously they voted for Obama over Mitt. Does that somehow make you feel better about it?

 

[Toro]

And he lost... I'm not sure how you have it bouncing around in your head that your statement somehow promotes that he was the right candidate to run against Obama.

I mean I think we both can agree that Obama is one of the worst presidents in history. And a guy who has gotten more votes than all other republican presidents save one in the history of presidential elections lost to him... Hello? (I didn't fact check your statement and just assumed it was true... But... I if it is...???)

That doesn't answer my question.

The question has no meaning. Where are they? Well... If they didn't stay home, then obviously they voted for Obama over Mitt. Does that somehow make you feel better about it?

I'm trying to figure out where are all these alleged millions of mythical conservatives who didn't care enough about their country to get their fat asses off their couches to vote for a candidate to unseat the "worst President ever, who is a socialists and probably a communist" because Mitt just wasn't conservative enough.

 

[Shelzin]

That doesn't answer my question.

The question has no meaning. Where are they? Well... If they didn't stay home, then obviously they voted for Obama over Mitt. Does that somehow make you feel better about it?

I'm trying to figure out where are all these alleged millions of mythical conservatives who didn't care enough about their country to get their fat asses off their couches to vote for a candidate to unseat the "worst President ever, who is a socialists and probably a communist" because Mitt just wasn't conservative enough.

Ok... Fine... I'll go look up the numbers.

2012 Turnout Dramatically Lower than 2008

Didn't read the whole thing myself... Just got what I wanted out of it. 13 million less people voted this election over the last one.

*ponders*

But Obama actually got 100k LESS votes than John McCain did when he beat him the first time in 2008. So that would suggest that it wasn't a large quantity of any party staying home other than democrats and/or independents. Just numbers wise that seems like a given to me.

I personally believe it's independents that stayed home... I guess people can choose to believe those people are put off demcorats but then they would have to come to the realization that they are REALLY behind in numbers in elections. And frankly makes what I'm about to say more important to them. But whatever... Putting that aside and moving on to the real meat and potatoes.

I guess I essentially agree with what I think you are saying... That the republicans did have a good turn out of it's base. But it's a smaller base than the democrats... Which... Unless you've been hiding under a rock or just listen to bias news you'd know that republicans do not out number democrats. I don't think they ever have in the whole time I've been on this earth.

Republicans need the independents to win. Period. End of story.

 

[Toro]

The question has no meaning. Where are they? Well... If they didn't stay home, then obviously they voted for Obama over Mitt. Does that somehow make you feel better about it?

I'm trying to figure out where are all these alleged millions of mythical conservatives who didn't care enough about their country to get their fat asses off their couches to vote for a candidate to unseat the "worst President ever, who is a socialists and probably a communist" because Mitt just wasn't conservative enough.

Ok... Fine... I'll go look up the numbers.

2012 Turnout Dramatically Lower than 2008

Didn't read the whole thing myself... Just got what I wanted out of it. 13 million less people voted this election over the last one.

*ponders*

But Obama actually got 100k LESS votes than John McCain did when he beat him the first time in 2008. So that would suggest that it wasn't a large quantity of any party staying home other than democrats and/or independents. Just numbers wise that seems like a given to me.

I personally believe it's independents that stayed home... I guess people can choose to believe those people are put off demcorats but then they would have to come to the realization that they are REALLY behind in numbers in elections. And frankly makes what I'm about to say more important to them. But whatever... Putting that aside and moving on to the real meat and potatoes.

I guess I essentially agree with what I think you are saying... That the republicans did have a good turn out of it's base. But it's a smaller base than the democrats... Which... Unless you've been hiding under a rock or just listen to bias news you'd know that republicans do not out number democrats. I don't think they ever have in the whole time I've been on this earth.

Republicans need the independents to win. Period. End of story.

That Brietbart piece is incomplete. It was written the day after the election when all the votes weren't in.

Obama won 65.5 million votes, Romney 60.8 million. That totals 126.3 million voters. In 08, Obama won 69.5 million votes, McCain 59.9 million, for a total of 129.4 million votes. Thus, we had 3 million fewer voters, entirely on the Democrat side. Republican vote total went up. The data is on Wikipedia, which references the FEC.

According to Fox News, 45% of voters described themselves as "moderates." They voted for the President 56% to 41%. Do the math and we find that roughly 8.5 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney.

Also, Republicans have lost the moderate vote in 5 of the last 6 elections, and have lost the Presidential popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections. Yet, we're supposed to believe that making the GOP even more conservative and thus turning off moderates even more to chase these mythological non voting conservatives is the path to victory.

 

[Shelzin]

I'm trying to figure out where are all these alleged millions of mythical conservatives who didn't care enough about their country to get their fat asses off their couches to vote for a candidate to unseat the "worst President ever, who is a socialists and probably a communist" because Mitt just wasn't conservative enough.

Ok... Fine... I'll go look up the numbers.

2012 Turnout Dramatically Lower than 2008

Didn't read the whole thing myself... Just got what I wanted out of it. 13 million less people voted this election over the last one.

*ponders*

But Obama actually got 100k LESS votes than John McCain did when he beat him the first time in 2008. So that would suggest that it wasn't a large quantity of any party staying home other than democrats and/or independents. Just numbers wise that seems like a given to me.

I personally believe it's independents that stayed home... I guess people can choose to believe those people are put off demcorats but then they would have to come to the realization that they are REALLY behind in numbers in elections. And frankly makes what I'm about to say more important to them. But whatever... Putting that aside and moving on to the real meat and potatoes.

I guess I essentially agree with what I think you are saying... That the republicans did have a good turn out of it's base. But it's a smaller base than the democrats... Which... Unless you've been hiding under a rock or just listen to bias news you'd know that republicans do not out number democrats. I don't think they ever have in the whole time I've been on this earth.

Republicans need the independents to win. Period. End of story.

That Brietbart piece is incomplete. It was written the day after the election when all the votes weren't in.

Obama won 65.5 million votes, Romney 60.8 million. That totals 126.3 million voters. In 08, Obama won 69.5 million votes, McCain 59.9 million, for a total of 129.4 million votes. Thus, we had 3 million fewer voters, entirely on the Democrat side. Republican vote total went up. The data is on Wikipedia, which references the FEC.

According to Fox News, 45% of voters described themselves as "moderates." They voted for the President 56% to 41%. Do the math and we find that roughly 8.5 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney.

Also, Republicans have lost the moderate vote in 5 of the last 6 elections, and have lost the Presidential popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections. Yet, we're supposed to believe that making the GOP even more conservative and thus turning off moderates even more to chase these mythological non voting conservatives is the path to victory.

Ok... Fair enough. I literally just pulled the first link I found from google that had direct correlation to the subject.

Umm... How does the party get more conservative exactly? The only reason I'm asking you, instead of those people who say Mitt was too moderate, is because they don't seem to know. I keep asking the question but it doesn't seem to have an answer.

You seem to have a good grasp of the republican party... What do you think it needs to do to start winning elections again?

 

[del]

it needs to tell the social conservatives to take a hike, for starters, and then actually exercise some fiscal restraint.

 

[Dragonlady]

You seem to have a good grasp of the republican party... What do you think it needs to do to start winning elections again?

I'm not del, but LEAVE THE WOMEN ALONE!!!!!!

Stop talking about us like we're not standing right here. If you want to discuss birth control issues, don't invite a bunch of Roman Catholic Bishops to the Senate to talk about birth control with a bunch of while male senators. I'm pretty sure none of those guys has ever been pregnant. Roman Catholic Bishops neither want nor need birth control. Ask the WOMEN.

Stop trying to force women to stick things up their cooches that they don't want there. That's called "rape with a foreign object" where I come from. And stop trying to tell us that getting pregnant from rape is a "blessing" or some other religious bullshit line until it happens to YOU. Then you can tell us what a blessing it was in YOUR life, because the women ain't buying it.

That whole "Constitutional Amendment" which gives the unborn child more rights than its mother, has got to go. I won't go so far as insisting that abortion become a matter between a woman and her doctors, but that's where you should be going with this.

The Republican Party opposed the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Really guys, really????

Access to birth control and abortion are women's bedrock economics issues. If we cannot control the size of our families, and when to have children, employers will have still more excuses to pay women less than men, and to promote them less frequently.

Rick Santorum says birth control is bad for women because it promotes the wrong kind of sex, and access to prenatal testing promotes abortions. Get rid of these guys. Women will NOT vote for them. The good people of Pennsylvannia voted him out in 2007 because they thought he was batshit crazy. They were right. Get rid of him and the rest of the right-wing religious cultists.

Last but not least, women are not stupid. If you're not prepared to deal with us as equals, we won't vote for you. And that old trick of running women candidates in districts where they have no hope of being elected and then saying "We ran lots of women but they can't seem to get elected. 75% of them lost". We're on to it. Have been for some time.

If you really want to get some support from the women, bring back and pass the ERA. I'm serious.

 

[Toro]

Ok... Fine... I'll go look up the numbers.

2012 Turnout Dramatically Lower than 2008

Didn't read the whole thing myself... Just got what I wanted out of it. 13 million less people voted this election over the last one.

*ponders*

But Obama actually got 100k LESS votes than John McCain did when he beat him the first time in 2008. So that would suggest that it wasn't a large quantity of any party staying home other than democrats and/or independents. Just numbers wise that seems like a given to me.

I personally believe it's independents that stayed home... I guess people can choose to believe those people are put off demcorats but then they would have to come to the realization that they are REALLY behind in numbers in elections. And frankly makes what I'm about to say more important to them. But whatever... Putting that aside and moving on to the real meat and potatoes.

I guess I essentially agree with what I think you are saying... That the republicans did have a good turn out of it's base. But it's a smaller base than the democrats... Which... Unless you've been hiding under a rock or just listen to bias news you'd know that republicans do not out number democrats. I don't think they ever have in the whole time I've been on this earth.

Republicans need the independents to win. Period. End of story.

That Brietbart piece is incomplete. It was written the day after the election when all the votes weren't in.

Obama won 65.5 million votes, Romney 60.8 million. That totals 126.3 million voters. In 08, Obama won 69.5 million votes, McCain 59.9 million, for a total of 129.4 million votes. Thus, we had 3 million fewer voters, entirely on the Democrat side. Republican vote total went up. The data is on Wikipedia, which references the FEC.

According to Fox News, 45% of voters described themselves as "moderates." They voted for the President 56% to 41%. Do the math and we find that roughly 8.5 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney.

Also, Republicans have lost the moderate vote in 5 of the last 6 elections, and have lost the Presidential popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections. Yet, we're supposed to believe that making the GOP even more conservative and thus turning off moderates even more to chase these mythological non voting conservatives is the path to victory.

Ok... Fair enough. I literally just pulled the first link I found from google that had direct correlation to the subject.

Umm... How does the party get more conservative exactly? The only reason I'm asking you, instead of those people who say Mitt was too moderate, is because they don't seem to know. I keep asking the question but it doesn't seem to have an answer.

You seem to have a good grasp of the republican party... What do you think it needs to do to start winning elections again?

I'd think most conservatives here would say I don't have a good grasp on the Republican party.

There is nothing wrong with the basic message that Republicans promote - less government, more personal freedom, strong defense, personal responsibility, and yes, social conservatism (of which I am not). I agree with most of that.

I would say there are a few things. First, that we even had a discussion on any level about "legitimate rape" is a loser. Opposition to gay marriage is a loser. The country is more conservative than many liberals think but the amplification of hard right, out-of-touch social conservatives is a loser. I would be shocked if Rick Santorum ever becomes President.

Soften the tone on immigration. Republicans are often seen as hostile to people who aren't white, fair or not. For example, just because one opposes AZ's egregious immigration laws does not mean they are for amnesty. Many immigrants also oppose illegal immigration. (I am an immigrant who came here legally, and it was an enormous pain in the ass.) The shills in the GOP have so overwhelmed the debate that it appears they are against immigrants.

Change the economic message. As desirable as they may be, tax cuts always and everywhere are not the panacea for every single economic ill this country faces. We had two big tax cuts in 01 and 03 and wages have stagnated for most people. Since Reagan was President (and to be fair, since a decade before that), middle class incomes have grown slower than upper class incomes, and the income at the bottom have grown even slower. Yet, if you listen to mouthpieces of the GOP, even though we have lower tax rates did in 1980 and 1970, tax cuts, particularly for the wealthiest, is the answer to middle class stagnation. The Republican party is sometimes seen as the party that protects the rich first and not the middle class. Republicans need new ideas.

Get out of the echo chamber. I get that the masses like to live in the echo chamber. It's human nature. I was stunned that the leaders seem to as well. That so many top Republicans and conservatives were so sure that Romney would win was puzzling. Get out of the comfort zone and listen to dissenting voices. Empiricism is your friend.

 

[Shelzin]

That Brietbart piece is incomplete. It was written the day after the election when all the votes weren't in.

Obama won 65.5 million votes, Romney 60.8 million. That totals 126.3 million voters. In 08, Obama won 69.5 million votes, McCain 59.9 million, for a total of 129.4 million votes. Thus, we had 3 million fewer voters, entirely on the Democrat side. Republican vote total went up. The data is on Wikipedia, which references the FEC.

According to Fox News, 45% of voters described themselves as "moderates." They voted for the President 56% to 41%. Do the math and we find that roughly 8.5 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney.

Also, Republicans have lost the moderate vote in 5 of the last 6 elections, and have lost the Presidential popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections. Yet, we're supposed to believe that making the GOP even more conservative and thus turning off moderates even more to chase these mythological non voting conservatives is the path to victory.

Ok... Fair enough. I literally just pulled the first link I found from google that had direct correlation to the subject.

Umm... How does the party get more conservative exactly? The only reason I'm asking you, instead of those people who say Mitt was too moderate, is because they don't seem to know. I keep asking the question but it doesn't seem to have an answer.

You seem to have a good grasp of the republican party... What do you think it needs to do to start winning elections again?

I'd think most conservatives here would say I don't have a good grasp on the Republican party.

Considering most "conservatives" here think Mitt was too moderate... I'm not sure they know what a conservative is.

There is nothing wrong with the basic message that Republicans promote - less government, more personal freedom, strong defense, personal responsibility, and yes, social conservatism (of which I am not). I agree with most of that.

So do I... That's the message... But it's not the actions they promote. Oddly enough.

I would say there are a few things. First, that we even had a discussion on any level about "legitimate rape" is a loser.

Agreed. Although I see that as more of a poor choice of words than anything else.

Opposition to gay marriage is a loser.

Also agreed.

The country is more conservative than many liberals think but the amplification of hard right, out-of-touch social conservatives is a loser. I would be shocked if Rick Santorum ever becomes President.

Can't happen. He would be considered as bad if not worse than Mitt as a flip-flopper.

Soften the tone on immigration. Republicans are often seen as hostile to people who aren't white, fair or not. For example, just because one opposes AZ's egregious immigration laws does not mean they are for amnesty. Many immigrants also oppose illegal immigration. (I am an immigrant who came here legally, and it was an enormous pain in the ass.) The shills in the GOP have so overwhelmed the debate that it appears they are against immigrants.

Agreed.

Change the economic message. As desirable as they may be, tax cuts always and everywhere are not the panacea for every single economic ill this country faces. We had two big tax cuts in 01 and 03 and wages have stagnated for most people. Since Reagan was President (and to be fair, since a decade before that), middle class incomes have grown slower than upper class incomes, and the income at the bottom have grown even slower. Yet, if you listen to mouthpieces of the GOP, even though we have lower tax rates did in 1980 and 1970, tax cuts, particularly for the wealthiest, is the answer to middle class stagnation. The Republican party is sometimes seen as the party that protects the rich first and not the middle class. Republicans need new ideas.

Also agreed with one observation... Middle class incomes has not kept up with inflation. So while the income they have are larger in comparison by year, they actually have less money in the real world.

Something that cost $100 in 1992 now costs $164 dollars today. 60%+ inflation. 29% in the last decade... 12% in the last five years...

The people in the income brackets considered "Rich" have kept up with inflation or exceeded it. Middle class has not.

Get out of the echo chamber. I get that the masses like to live in the echo chamber. It's human nature. I was stunned that the leaders seem to as well. That so many top Republicans and conservatives were so sure that Romney would win was puzzling. Get out of the comfort zone and listen to dissenting voices. Empiricism is your friend.

I still have a hard time believing they were trying to win... o.0

 

[Dragonlady]

The whole "legitimate rape" thing went far beyond being a "poor choice of words". You have a faction of the Republican Party which actually believes in this concept and a lot of other stuff that mainstream people dismiss - like Creationism, that the earth is 6000 years old. They deny science, to the point of dimissing the Theory of Relativity, although they certainly like their GPS which works using parts of Einstein's Theory of Relativity.

The have an entire website called Conservapedia which is like Wikipedia, except at Conservapedia, all of their delusions are confirmed.

Main Page - Conservapedia

It's time for Republican's leave their protective bubble and face reality.