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Then we had Romney this time around - better looking, but still a stiff. And he was successfully painted as a uncaring rich guy by Obama. But he failed to take the fight to Obama, he failed to call Obama the socialist that he really is, in short Romney failed to get his hands dirty so he he lost.
I have been a registered Conservative since the first Reagan election, they best represent my principles and beliefs. But the time has come to say goodbye.
It's not that the Conservative Party has done anything wrong, it's that the Republican Party needs me, needs us more.
We, Conservatives, the base of the Party and the country, must take over the Republican Party and start to turn the country around. Our task is formidable: too many Republicans believe that Washington DC is the US Economy.
We must get involved at the local level. If we are Conservative Party members, we do not get to run the local Republican Party. It's time to send the Neo-Marxist Enablers known as Republican Moderates packing, they've done nothing but damage the brand and have lost every time they try to lead.
I feel much of your frustration - But the GOP has been putting up moderate Republican canidates since George H Bush. Theyforgot the lessons of Reagan.
To be sure George H Bush won on the coat tails of Reagan - basically people assumed that since he was Reagan's vice president he must be in line with Reagan's brand of conservativism. The reality is - he was much more moderate than Reagan, he just looked better than Michael Dukockis.
But when you put the moderate George H Bush up against the moderate Bill Clinton(and yes Bill Clinton was a moderate compared to Obama) - it caused a civil war amongest conservatives and we got Ross Perot in there to spoil the election for George H Bush and give it to Clinton(who won with less than half the vote).
Then we put up the sad moderate canidate - Bob Dole, again had no chance against the charimatic and practical Bill Clinton(who has successfully moved himself to center by 96 election).
George W Bush was more conservative than his dad, but yet still not a Reagan conservative - he had the silly "compassionate conservative" thing going on. Where he was super conservative was on low taxes(thankfully) - where he was not conservative was on immigration and spending(big spender - eg. Medicare prescription drug plan).
George W Bush though, had a very likeable personality(similar to Reagan) and he was much more likeable than the stiff canidates of Al Gore and John Kerry. So he continued to win elections(and yes I voted for him both times - and yes I voted for Bob Dole even though I knew he had no chance).
Then we had Mccain - massive moderate canidate - basically Bob Dole 2.0. Old moderate white guy war hero - this would have worked in Eikes time - but not now. Obama was younger and more charismatic - it was a slam dunk.
Then we had Romney this time around - better looking, but still a stiff. And he was successfully painted as a uncaring rich guy by Obama. But he failed to take the fight to Obama, he failed to call Obama the socialist that he really is, in short Romney failed to get his hands dirty so he he lost.
But really is it any suprise Romney could'nt get down in the trenches and get his hands dirty? Nope. That is the problem with moderates often times...they are way too nice and since they don't have a true conservative core that sees socialism as evil(as Reagan did) they will not be successful.
You see Romney would just say Obama was mistaken - if he was a Reagan - he would have called Obama's policies socialist and evil. Until we get a true Reagan conservative who is willing to take the gloves off and energize his party and the country behind him - we will keep loosing elections.
Thank you for that and welcome to USMB
I agree with all that you said. Palin correctly pointed out that the way to win against Obama was to show him for the out of touch lunatic, radical leftist he is. McCain didn't listen, he lost
Romney saved his venom and passion for Newt, whom he destroyed. When he went up against the Neo-Marxist in the White House he fought like Little Lord Fauntleroy.
We can no longer fight ourselves, we need to take back control of the Republican Party. The big money backers are not happy at losing $50-60MM each because Moderates are failures and losers and are enabling Obama. They are business people who depend upon a robust US economy, not a European welfare state.
That's why I left the Conservative Party and am now a Republican. It's time to take it back
Romney lost by 5 million. According to FoxNews, 8 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney. Romney received the second most votes for a Republican in history.
Why is making the Republican party more conservative a winning formula?
Romney lost by 5 million. According to FoxNews, 8 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney. Romney received the second most votes for a Republican in history.
Why is making the Republican party more conservative a winning formula?
Because until the day Obama throws open the southern border, we're still a center right country.
Romney decided to ignore the Tea Party, he lost.
I feel much of your frustration - But the GOP has been putting up moderate Republican canidates since George H Bush. Theyforgot the lessons of Reagan.
To be sure George H Bush won on the coat tails of Reagan - basically people assumed that since he was Reagan's vice president he must be in line with Reagan's brand of conservativism. The reality is - he was much more moderate than Reagan, he just looked better than Michael Dukockis.
But when you put the moderate George H Bush up against the moderate Bill Clinton(and yes Bill Clinton was a moderate compared to Obama) - it caused a civil war amongest conservatives and we got Ross Perot in there to spoil the election for George H Bush and give it to Clinton(who won with less than half the vote).
Then we put up the sad moderate canidate - Bob Dole, again had no chance against the charimatic and practical Bill Clinton(who has successfully moved himself to center by 96 election).
George W Bush was more conservative than his dad, but yet still not a Reagan conservative - he had the silly "compassionate conservative" thing going on. Where he was super conservative was on low taxes(thankfully) - where he was not conservative was on immigration and spending(big spender - eg. Medicare prescription drug plan).
George W Bush though, had a very likeable personality(similar to Reagan) and he was much more likeable than the stiff canidates of Al Gore and John Kerry. So he continued to win elections(and yes I voted for him both times - and yes I voted for Bob Dole even though I knew he had no chance).
Then we had Mccain - massive moderate canidate - basically Bob Dole 2.0. Old moderate white guy war hero - this would have worked in Eikes time - but not now. Obama was younger and more charismatic - it was a slam dunk.
Then we had Romney this time around - better looking, but still a stiff. And he was successfully painted as a uncaring rich guy by Obama. But he failed to take the fight to Obama, he failed to call Obama the socialist that he really is, in short Romney failed to get his hands dirty so he he lost.
But really is it any suprise Romney could'nt get down in the trenches and get his hands dirty? Nope. That is the problem with moderates often times...they are way too nice and since they don't have a true conservative core that sees socialism as evil(as Reagan did) they will not be successful.
You see Romney would just say Obama was mistaken - if he was a Reagan - he would have called Obama's policies socialist and evil. Until we get a true Reagan conservative who is willing to take the gloves off and energize his party and the country behind him - we will keep loosing elections.
Thank you for that and welcome to USMB
I agree with all that you said. Palin correctly pointed out that the way to win against Obama was to show him for the out of touch lunatic, radical leftist he is. McCain didn't listen, he lost
Romney saved his venom and passion for Newt, whom he destroyed. When he went up against the Neo-Marxist in the White House he fought like Little Lord Fauntleroy.
We can no longer fight ourselves, we need to take back control of the Republican Party. The big money backers are not happy at losing $50-60MM each because Moderates are failures and losers and are enabling Obama. They are business people who depend upon a robust US economy, not a European welfare state.
That's why I left the Conservative Party and am now a Republican. It's time to take it back
So you're taking cues from Palin now?
This is why you lost, not what you can do to win. Until the majority of you folks realize that it's gonna be easy pickins for the Democrats.
Romney lost by 5 million. According to FoxNews, 8 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney. Romney received the second most votes for a Republican in history.
Why is making the Republican party more conservative a winning formula?
Because until the day Obama throws open the southern border, we're still a center right country.
Romney decided to ignore the Tea Party, he lost.
If we're a center right country, why would going farther to the right help you out?
The Tea Party is insignificant when you're talking Presidential elections, they just don't have the numbers to make a difference.
Thank you for that and welcome to USMB
I agree with all that you said. Palin correctly pointed out that the way to win against Obama was to show him for the out of touch lunatic, radical leftist he is. McCain didn't listen, he lost
Romney saved his venom and passion for Newt, whom he destroyed. When he went up against the Neo-Marxist in the White House he fought like Little Lord Fauntleroy.
We can no longer fight ourselves, we need to take back control of the Republican Party. The big money backers are not happy at losing $50-60MM each because Moderates are failures and losers and are enabling Obama. They are business people who depend upon a robust US economy, not a European welfare state.
That's why I left the Conservative Party and am now a Republican. It's time to take it back
So you're taking cues from Palin now?
This is why you lost, not what you can do to win. Until the majority of you folks realize that it's gonna be easy pickins for the Democrats.
You keep mistaking us for Democrats and we need to get our "Cues" from our Leaders. We're not part of the Democrat Borg Collective. I started by saying I've been a Conservative since Reagan, that a long time before Palin ever came onto the scene.
Because until the day Obama throws open the southern border, we're still a center right country.
Romney decided to ignore the Tea Party, he lost.
If we're a center right country, why would going farther to the right help you out?
The Tea Party is insignificant when you're talking Presidential elections, they just don't have the numbers to make a difference.
That's why you guys did so well in 2010 when the Tea Party ran without the help of the Moderates
Wrong again, dope.Oh, how about spending and expanding bureaucracy on a magnitude that progressive/socialist hacks like you have wet dreams about, when the prez in question has a (D) by his name?
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/265791-obama-spending-binge-never-happened.html
One Obama Deficit > Any Reagan Budget
One Obama Deficit > All Reagan Deficits
But the Spending binge never happened because the Lord and Savior Messiah Obama said so.
Didn't say how many voters that were alienated by the chickenshit played by the RNC at the convention affected the election, did they?Romney lost by 5 million. According to FoxNews, 8 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney. Romney received the second most votes for a Republican in history.
Why is making the Republican party more conservative a winning formula?
You need helpIf you think I am incorrect, then prove it.You need to see a doctor about that reality problem you have.
You won't. You can't.
President Obama, Congress passes bill to extend Patriot Act despite Sen. Rand Paul delay - New York Daily News
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Shut the fuck up, retard. You had your chance.Stupid before you respond to a post you should know the history of the discussion I answered the question
I light of your continued refusal to answer a simply yes or not question, we can only assume that you voted for Bush on both occasions, that you subsequently came down with a case of buyer's remorse, are now ashamed to admit it. There are can no other reasonable explanation as to why you avoid answering.
Do you even know what post is being talked about?
Special Forces, at Tora Bora.Wars?.....so your saying Afghanistan was Illegal....so im am assuming you were one of the 10% who was against going in there....right?.....if so what should we have done in responce to what happened?.....
Killed or captured bin Laden at or before Tora Bora instead of letting him - yes, letting him - escape. It took 28 days after 9/11 to get boots on the ground in Afghanistan.
You can't have a big War on Terror, with all the huge profits to be made, if you get the bad guy within a few weeks.
"I'm really not concerned with his whereabouts"
i guess Clayton is incapable of answering questions asked of him.......but thanx for subbing for him Synth.....but getting back to the question.....to get Bin Laden they would have had to go in and get him.....apparently Jones thought that was Illegal.....thats what i am getting at.....i have no doubts Bush and Company fucked all that up....but the initial invasion was totally justified.....Jones does not think so....so i wanted him to tell me what he would have done....
Killed or captured bin Laden at or before Tora Bora instead of letting him - yes, letting him - escape. It took 28 days after 9/11 to get boots on the ground in Afghanistan.
You can't have a big War on Terror, with all the huge profits to be made, if you get the bad guy within a few weeks.
"I'm really not concerned with his whereabouts"
i guess Clayton is incapable of answering questions asked of him.......but thanx for subbing for him Synth.....but getting back to the question.....to get Bin Laden they would have had to go in and get him.....apparently Jones thought that was Illegal.....thats what i am getting at.....i have no doubts Bush and Company fucked all that up....but the initial invasion was totally justified.....Jones does not think so....so i wanted him to tell me what he would have done....
How about we never would have had a 9/11 had Clinton taken him out when he had the location and opportunity to do so... Imagine no Afghanistan; no Iraq; no Gitmo; no Patriot Act had Clinton done his job....
Yeah libs like to go back to Bush history, but are loathe to walk it back just a few short years more.
I have been a registered Conservative since the first Reagan election, they best represent my principles and beliefs. But the time has come to say goodbye.
It's not that the Conservative Party has done anything wrong, it's that the Republican Party needs me, needs us more.
We, Conservatives, the base of the Party and the country, must take over the Republican Party and start to turn the country around. Our task is formidable: too many Republicans believe that Washington DC is the US Economy.
We must get involved at the local level. If we are Conservative Party members, we do not get to run the local Republican Party. It's time to send the Neo-Marxist Enablers known as Republican Moderates packing, they've done nothing but damage the brand and have lost every time they try to lead.
I feel much of your frustration - But the GOP has been putting up moderate Republican canidates since George H Bush. They forgot the lessons of Reagan.
To be sure George H Bush won on the coat tails of Reagan - basically people assumed that since he was Reagan's vice president he must be in line with Reagan's brand of conservativism. The reality is - he was much more moderate than Reagan, he just looked better than Michael Dukockis.
But when you put the moderate George H Bush up against the moderate Bill Clinton(and yes Bill Clinton was a moderate compared to Obama) - it caused a civil war amongest conservatives and we got Ross Perot in there to spoil the election for George H Bush and give it to Clinton(who won with less than half the vote).
Then we put up the sad moderate canidate - Bob Dole, again had no chance against the charimatic and practical Bill Clinton(who has successfully moved himself to center by 96 election).
George W Bush was more conservative than his dad, but yet still not a Reagan conservative - he had the silly "compassionate conservative" thing going on. Where he was super conservative was on low taxes(thankfully) - where he was not conservative was on immigration and spending(big spender - eg. Medicare prescription drug plan).
George W Bush though, had a very likeable personality(similar to Reagan) and he was much more likeable than the stiff canidates of Al Gore and John Kerry. So he continued to win elections(and yes I voted for him both times - and yes I voted for Bob Dole even though I knew he had no chance).
Then we had Mccain - massive moderate canidate - basically Bob Dole 2.0. Old moderate white guy war hero - this would have worked in Eikes time - but not now. Obama was younger and more charismatic - it was a slam dunk.
Then we had Romney this time around - better looking, but still a stiff. And he was successfully painted as a uncaring rich guy by Obama. But he failed to take the fight to Obama, he failed to call Obama the socialist that he really is, in short Romney failed to get his hands dirty so he he lost.
But really is it any suprise Romney could'nt get down in the trenches and get his hands dirty? Nope. That is the problem with moderates often times...they are way too nice and since they don't have a true conservative core that sees socialism as evil(as Reagan did) they will not be successful.
You see Romney would just say Obama was mistaken - if he was a Reagan - he would have called Obama's policies socialist and evil. Until we get a true Reagan conservative who is willing to take the gloves off and energize his party and the country behind him - we will keep loosing elections.
Because they really, really, really want it to be.Romney lost by 5 million. According to FoxNews, 8 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney. Romney received the second most votes for a Republican in history.
Why is making the Republican party more conservative a winning formula?
Romney lost by 5 million. According to FoxNews, 8 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney. Romney received the second most votes for a Republican in history.
Why is making the Republican party more conservative a winning formula?
Because until the day Obama throws open the southern border, we're still a center right country.
Romney decided to ignore the Tea Party, he lost.
Post the Republican and Democratic turnouts for 2010.Because until the day Obama throws open the southern border, we're still a center right country.
Romney decided to ignore the Tea Party, he lost.
If we're a center right country, why would going farther to the right help you out?
The Tea Party is insignificant when you're talking Presidential elections, they just don't have the numbers to make a difference.
That's why you guys did so well in 2010 when the Tea Party ran without the help of the Moderates
Nothing to apologize for, dumbshit.
One Obama Deficit > Any Reagan Budget
One Obama Deficit > All Reagan Deficits
But the Spending binge never happened because the Lord and Savior Messiah Obama said so.
Definition of Obamabots- apologists one and all~
Romney lost by 5 million. According to FoxNews, 8 million more moderates voted for Obama than Romney. Romney received the second most votes for a Republican in history.
Why is making the Republican party more conservative a winning formula?
Because until the day Obama throws open the southern border, we're still a center right country.
Romney decided to ignore the Tea Party, he lost.
