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And, you simply don't know how to make a coherent point.Again, CONGRESS writes laws, not the President.
You simply don't understand how our government works.
How is that any different than the GOP and it's members or the DNC and its members. Are you lock-step in line with the DNC platform?When people advocating for the Libertarian Party repeatedly tell me to effectively ignore their party platform, I don't need much more than that to reach the conclusion that the Libertarian Party is where it is for some very good reasons.
If you differ from the party platform, what difference does that make.How is that any different than the GOP and it's members or the DNC and its members. Are you lock-step in line with the DNC platform?When people advocating for the Libertarian Party repeatedly tell me to effectively ignore their party platform, I don't need much more than that to reach the conclusion that the Libertarian Party is where it is for some very good reasons.
I'm telling you because the anti-abortion people are not going to vote for pro-choice candidates, and the Libertarians are not going to run anti-abortion candidates.
No, you're "telling me" because I pointed out that you were blathering on regarding subject matter you clearly know nothing about and now you're attempting to change the subject in the hopes that it will distract from that fact.
You clearly know nothing about libertarians or libertarianism so either spend the time and effort to educate yourself or continue to provide further evidence of your ignorance and lots of laughs for those that have.
You're trying to tell us that Libertarians are anti-abortion and pro-abortion all at the same time.
Yeah because unlike you partisan drones, libertarians don't operate using a centrally controlled hive mind, they can actually think for themselves and form their own opinions instead of having some party boss wanker do it for them.
You can't be for and against abortion rights at the same time.
Yes individuals that share the same core principles and self identify as libertarians can and do have opposing opinions on the question of abortion.
I realize differences of opinion are impossible in the Borg collective you inhabit but that doesn't mean it isn't a reality outside of it.
I get what you are saying and I agree with your thought process. You pick the party/candidate that most closely aligns with your ideal. The LP put a joke of a candidate on the presidential ticket, thereby losing my support. The LP does have many problems to overcome before any substantial portion of the vote will give them a serious look, but one or both of the other parties could make the LP irrelevant if they would adopt the liberty-first spirit of the LP platform.If you differ from the party platform, what difference does that make.
The DNC is pushing the platform agenda, not yours.
Just so with the Libertarian Party. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with every part of their platform. You are not in charge. They are. And that is what they are pushing.
My support for a party depends on whether their agenda outweighs mine.
The Libertarian Party is way off course from where I stand, and so I cannot support it.
I like the Republican Party platform, but the ACTIONS of the Republican Party are nowhere close to their words. That is why I de-registered from that party recently.
But, it could take some of the pro-choice independents and pro-capitalist democrats (if there are any left), could it not?I'm just telling you that a Libertarian Party candidate who is not anti-abortion will not get more than the tiniest fraction of the anti-abortion vote,
which means, as I pointed out in my orginal post, that the Libertarian Party has little if any opportunity to make inroads into the core constituency (aka the majority) of Republican Party members, or, into the ranks of pro-life Independents.
How is that any different than the GOP and it's members or the DNC and its members. Are you lock-step in line with the DNC platform?When people advocating for the Libertarian Party repeatedly tell me to effectively ignore their party platform, I don't need much more than that to reach the conclusion that the Libertarian Party is where it is for some very good reasons.
But, it could take some of the pro-choice independents and pro-capitalist democrats (if there are any left), could it not?I'm just telling you that a Libertarian Party candidate who is not anti-abortion will not get more than the tiniest fraction of the anti-abortion vote,
which means, as I pointed out in my orginal post, that the Libertarian Party has little if any opportunity to make inroads into the core constituency (aka the majority) of Republican Party members, or, into the ranks of pro-life Independents.
I think Libertarians delude themselves. They believe a majority of Americans are Libertarians but just don't know it.I get what you are saying and I agree with your thought process. You pick the party/candidate that most closely aligns with your ideal. The LP put a joke of a candidate on the presidential ticket, thereby losing my support. The LP does have many problems to overcome before any will give them a serious look, but one or both of the other parties could make the LP irrelevant if they would adopt the liberty-first spirit of the LP platform.If you differ from the party platform, what difference does that make.
The DNC is pushing the platform agenda, not yours.
Just so with the Libertarian Party. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with every part of their platform. You are not in charge. They are. And that is what they are pushing.
My support for a party depends on whether their agenda outweighs mine.
The Libertarian Party is way off course from where I stand, and so I cannot support it.
I like the Republican Party platform, but the ACTIONS of the Republican Party are nowhere close to their words. That is why I de-registered from that party recently.
I think Libertarians delude themselves. They believe a majority of Americans are Libertarians but just don't know it.I get what you are saying and I agree with your thought process. You pick the party/candidate that most closely aligns with your ideal. The LP put a joke of a candidate on the presidential ticket, thereby losing my support. The LP does have many problems to overcome before any will give them a serious look, but one or both of the other parties could make the LP irrelevant if they would adopt the liberty-first spirit of the LP platform.If you differ from the party platform, what difference does that make.
The DNC is pushing the platform agenda, not yours.
Just so with the Libertarian Party. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with every part of their platform. You are not in charge. They are. And that is what they are pushing.
My support for a party depends on whether their agenda outweighs mine.
The Libertarian Party is way off course from where I stand, and so I cannot support it.
I like the Republican Party platform, but the ACTIONS of the Republican Party are nowhere close to their words. That is why I de-registered from that party recently.
This is intellectual laziness. They haven't done the work to sell the product, but believe everyone buys it.
An example of this is their political "test". You know the one. Instead of a spectrum line, they have a grid box.
They ask generic questions, and if you answer "yes", you're a Libertarian.
"Do you like ice cream? Then you are a Libertarian!"
It's not quite that bad, but close. It gives them the false illusion that there are a lot of Libertarians out there.
On that test, they never ask SPECIFICS.
"I believe all drugs, including crack cocaine, should be legal."
If they did that, they would see more accurate numbers. And their numbers would fall off a cliff.
They have a lot of hard selling to do, and don't want to do the hard uphill trudge. So they gather together and wave their Don't Tread On Me Flags, and sell each other copper rounds, and delude themselves that the other 97 percent of Americans are closeted Libertarians.
There are some people on this forum who think they are Libertarians when in fact they are more closely aligned in their thinking with the Green Party.I think Libertarians delude themselves. They believe a majority of Americans are Libertarians but just don't know it.I get what you are saying and I agree with your thought process. You pick the party/candidate that most closely aligns with your ideal. The LP put a joke of a candidate on the presidential ticket, thereby losing my support. The LP does have many problems to overcome before any will give them a serious look, but one or both of the other parties could make the LP irrelevant if they would adopt the liberty-first spirit of the LP platform.If you differ from the party platform, what difference does that make.
The DNC is pushing the platform agenda, not yours.
Just so with the Libertarian Party. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with every part of their platform. You are not in charge. They are. And that is what they are pushing.
My support for a party depends on whether their agenda outweighs mine.
The Libertarian Party is way off course from where I stand, and so I cannot support it.
I like the Republican Party platform, but the ACTIONS of the Republican Party are nowhere close to their words. That is why I de-registered from that party recently.
This is intellectual laziness. They haven't done the work to sell the product, but believe everyone buys it.
An example of this is their political "test". You know the one. Instead of a spectrum line, they have a grid box.
They ask generic questions, and if you answer "yes", you're a Libertarian.
"Do you like ice cream? Then you are a Libertarian!"
It's not quite that bad, but close. It gives them the false illusion that there are a lot of Libertarians out there.
On that test, they never ask SPECIFICS.
"I believe all drugs, including crack cocaine, should be legal."
If they did that, they would see more accurate numbers. And their numbers would fall off a cliff.
They have a lot of hard selling to do, and don't want to do the hard uphill trudge. So they gather together and wave their Don't Tread On Me Flags, and sell each other copper rounds, and delude themselves that the other 97 percent of Americans are closeted Libertarians.
That sounds a lot like liberals.
I agree that the LP is largely a pathetic excuse to not vote R or D. I agree that the LP has done a poor job of messaging and an even poorer job of selling the concept of the liberty-first principle.I think Libertarians delude themselves. They believe a majority of Americans are Libertarians but just don't know it.
This is intellectual laziness. They haven't done the work to sell the product, but believe everyone buys it.
An example of this is their political "test". You know the one. Instead of a spectrum line, they have a grid box.
They ask generic questions, and if you answer "yes", you're a Libertarian.
"Do you like ice cream? Then you are a Libertarian!"
It's not quite that bad, but close. It gives them the false illusion that there are a lot of Libertarians out there.
On that test, they never ask SPECIFICS.
"I believe all drugs, including crack cocaine, should be legal."
If they did that, they would see more accurate numbers. And their numbers would fall off a cliff.
They have a lot of hard selling to do, and don't want to do the hard uphill trudge. So they gather together and wave their Don't Tread On Me Flags, and sell each other copper rounds, and delude themselves that the other 97 percent of Americans are closeted Libertarians.
The UL is a great example of private industry regulating itself and keeping people safe. The FDA could easily be replaced by a similar organization. Other countries operate without an FDA. The cost of drugs and medications is so motherfucking high BECAUSE of the FDA, and it still does not prevent people from being harmed by bad drugs (see all the class-action suit advertisements on late-night TV).It's always struck me as funny that Libertarians want our federal agencies to be abolished and industry to regulate itself. For example, they want the FDA to be abolished and leave it to the food and drug industries to regulate themselves. Because that worked out so well in the past...
That's not the argument at all. It would take me too long to explain that, but can you imagine playing a game of monopoly where one player holds all the money at the beginning, and loans it to other players with interest? Remember, there is no other source of currency with which to trade. And, that does not even scratch the surface of the issues with the Fed.And yet the one sector of our economy which actually is self-regulated by the relevant industry, the Federal Reserve, is vehemently opposed by Libertarians! They consider The Fed to be a massive failure! They want our monetary system to be run by the government! Specifically, Congress.
That's not true. The principle is to maximize liberty. The unwarranted or unjustified taking of one's liberty is the ultimate wrong. How could that be consistent with "anything goes"?I've listened to Stossel and heard him make real good points, then he will turn right around and say something really stupid. The problem with Libertarians is that anything goes, they have no up or down, no right or wrong, just whatever you want to do. Be and Let Be. Intellectual Hippies. Their absence of principles is their principle.
