Official Usmb Mafia Game #5: A Game Of Fire And Ice (day 6)

[Mertex]

We can be due to Wake's flavor text. Also no kill is against ice's wincon and denies them info.

I meant to say a failed kill. There is no reason why Mafia would opt for a no-kill.

 

[Wolfsister77]

This is interesting. I have not seen Sam make the claim that he tracked by FA and Avatar on the same night. Why do you say this?

When House is on next he can confirm Sameech said this in the neighborhood QT #641.

@House

Hummmmm I believe you, he said he tracked BOTH FA and Avatar the same exact night?

Well, he said FA was town N1 and that sounds more like a cop than a tracker.

He said he saw Avi kill Rosie-well Rosie was killed N1.


So he has to be claiming both nights he watched 2 peoople and the results are odd also.

Did he say that as a result of his investigation, or was he just saying he thought FA was town.

Has he claimed who he watched Night 3?

He did not say who he watched/tracked N3. In 641 he said FA was town due to being a Night Watchman and specified N1. IN 687 he reminded me he confirmed FA was town. He's not too happy with this line of questioning but I have to at least ask.

I was a tracker in game 3.

The only result I got was "So and so did not visit anyone" or "so and so visited Mary". That was all I got from Wake. So I am not sure how Sam could have been so sure FA was town even if he got a no result. I don't recall him stating he was sure FA was town until AFTER he was NKed by scum. BUT again, I may have missed this, as you all know I am a bit off due to surgery/meds.

Well, 641 was made on 9-4 in our hood which is before the NK. He was right FA was town but I am confused how he could know that and see Avi kill Rosie on the same night plus these are 2 different results-a tracker result and a cop result. Sameech is going to have to clarify this if he can.

 

[House]

I don't think she is Scum because she was good to verify that Grandma had said what I claimed she had said in the hood QT, where if she was scum, she could have kept her mouth shut and I would have appeared really Scummy and would have been lynched.

If you had been lynched, and if you flipped town, she'd have been speed lynched the next day for not speaking up because Grandma would have likely pointed out the lies and confirmed your posts after you were lynched.

 

[Wolfsister77]

If we could massclaim Scarlet's claim is probably p verifiable, but we probably won't.

What does this mean? Massclaim?

Everyone claims. All but 4 have already done so. It's sometimes a good idea to narrow down who scum is and sometimes it is a bad idea to out people because it gives info. to scum on who to kill at night. It's a case by case situation.

 

[Mertex]

Mertex the point of that, and me wanting to know who you healed, is trying to track who icescum targeted definitively.

But there were so many different powers at play, there is no certain way to find out other than Wake telling us, who was targeted and why it failed.

 

[CaféAuLait]

I understand Grandma could not be NK night 1. If Ice had targeted Avatar, they would have killed him, because Fire targeted Rosie....they would not have had a failed kill.

Grandma, you-your ice immunity, TN-your protect, Avi and whoever the other fire scum is, and SR, if she is iceproof could all be targets of ice scum and not be killed N1. There is also whoever was jailed that night, if anyone, which is why it would be nice if the jail keys were used, that those people would say who they used them on-could be someone ice targeted or ice was jailed also. We know Shaitra used her keys on Aye N2 so Aye isn't fire scum since fire scum shot and there is only one. We know Rosie had a set and died.This is why this info. has to be shared. NOT if you have one and haven't used it yet.

Second point for the whole group to discuss:

Sameech said he saw Avi kill Rosie and since Avi is fire, either Sameech shot him as ice or is a PR like he claims. He says he found out FA was town N1 also which means he somehow targeted Rosie and FA which really needs to be cleared up by Sameech before I know one way or the other what is going on with him. He needs to clarify his role and what he did. Like-can he target both FA and Avi N1?

This is interesting. I have not seen Sam make the claim that he tracked by FA and Avatar on the same night. Why do you say this?

If Sam is being truthful, then IMO we have to have a yang to his claimed PR, the same way there must be a yang to SR's PR. So there are at least 2 more PRs out there, maybe 3.

If both are being truthful and I waffled at first on SR, but I believe her. This means we have Mertex as doc, Sam as Tracker, SR as a balancing power since scum are so powerful this game given they can't NK one another. But my thoughts on the matter are Wake may have changed that and they can now, beginning Day 4. I could be far off but that is what I think Wake may have been referencing when he said a change would occur. There were several thoughts on this in Central, not that but what Wake may have done.

Keeping this in mind we have

Aye
Tn/Tso
House
Wolf
Sgt Gath
Math

To me House is now town. Which leaves 5 up for 3 scum positions. I am temporarily moving Wolf to town. which leaves

Math
Gath
TN
Aye

Three of them are scum, unless Sameech if full of it.

I've been feeling all along that Aye is Town. However, she was the one that suggested we all share our abilities (which was not Scummy, though), and also the one who Avi thanked (according to one of Grandma's posts) and there were four of us in our hood, Me, Rosie, Grandma and her.....Rosie and Grandma flipped town, I know I am town and the Doc, so that would only leave Aye, but it is possible that our neighborhood was all Town.

I don't think she is Scum because she was good to verify that Grandma had said what I claimed she had said in the hood QT, where if she was scum, she could have kept her mouth shut and I would have appeared really Scummy and would have been lynched.

Avatar did thank Aye and Rosie, it was shortly after he was lynched and in twilight IIRC. Aye asked us in Central about abilities and PR's. IIRC Grandma did too. The lie you are speaking about between you and grandma is just silly and I don't think it would have made you scummy, since Rosie could verify and did. Aye stated she said Rosie was important, etc because we were eyeing Rosie for lynch, which is true- since her meta was off.

 

[House]

@Town,

I unvoted because I'm going to be V/LA the 10th & 11th..

 

[Wolfsister77]

@Town,

I unvoted because I'm going to be V/LA the 10th & 11th..

No problem. We have until the 14th.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Mertex the point of that, and me wanting to know who you healed, is trying to track who icescum targeted definitively.

But there were so many different powers at play, there is no certain way to find out other than Wake telling us, who was targeted and why it failed.

I honestly think it may help Mertex, I don't see any reason not to say who you have protected the last few nights. I can't imagine it hurting anything. I may be wrong because I am newish to the game, but I can't see how it can hurt to state who you protected the last few nights now. If there is anyone who thinks I am wrong please speak up. I also see the point you are making it could cause confusion, but it seems to me SR is able to parse information pretty well.

 

[House]

@Town,

I unvoted because I'm going to be V/LA the 10th & 11th..

No problem. We have until the 14th.

I'm going to be pretty well gone on the 10th, but will hopefully be able to pop in for a few minutes on the 11th.

I have a trip heading down to Texas that delivers on the 12th, and won't have a lot of time to lollygag.

 

[CaféAuLait]

If we could massclaim Scarlet's claim is probably p verifiable, but we probably won't.

What does this mean? Massclaim?

Everyone claims. All but 4 have already done so. It's sometimes a good idea to narrow down who scum is and sometimes it is a bad idea to out people because it gives info. to scum on who to kill at night. It's a case by case situation.

Okay, so what you are saying is, if everyone claims we can see if there is a yang to Sam which there should be given he is claiming odd night tracker.

 

[CaféAuLait]

But this IMO would allow his scum partner, if he is scum to claim the same. Hummmm. Would we be opening a big ass can of worms and just confusing ourselves?

 

[House]

If we could massclaim Scarlet's claim is probably p verifiable, but we probably won't.

What does this mean? Massclaim?

Everyone claims. All but 4 have already done so. It's sometimes a good idea to narrow down who scum is and sometimes it is a bad idea to out people because it gives info. to scum on who to kill at night. It's a case by case situation.

Okay, so what you are saying is, if everyone claims we can see if there is a yang to Sam which there should be given he is claiming odd night tracker.

And @ScarletRage.

 

[MathBlade]

@all work is piling up big time. I will check the thread later. Skim read and found a few things I liked.

If you have a specific post I should immediately look at when the day is done please @MathBlade me the link and/or the post number.

 

[CaféAuLait]

This is interesting. I have not seen Sam make the claim that he tracked by FA and Avatar on the same night. Why do you say this?

When House is on next he can confirm Sameech said this in the neighborhood QT #641.

@House

Hummmmm I believe you, he said he tracked BOTH FA and Avatar the same exact night?

Well, he said FA was town N1 and that sounds more like a cop than a tracker.

He said he saw Avi kill Rosie-well Rosie was killed N1.


So he has to be claiming both nights he watched 2 peoople and the results are odd also.

Did he say that as a result of his investigation, or was he just saying he thought FA was town.

Has he claimed who he watched Night 3?

He did not say who he watched/tracked N3. In 641 he said FA was town due to being a Night Watchman and specified N1. IN 687 he reminded me he confirmed FA was town. He's not too happy with this line of questioning but I have to at least ask.

I was a tracker in game 3.

The only result I got was "So and so did not visit anyone" or "so and so visited Mary". That was all I got from Wake. So I am not sure how Sam could have been so sure FA was town even if he got a no result. I don't recall him stating he was sure FA was town until AFTER he was NKed by scum. BUT again, I may have missed this, as you all know I am a bit off due to surgery/meds.

Well, 641 was made on 9-4 in our hood which is before the NK. He was right FA was town but I am confused how he could know that and see Avi kill Rosie on the same night plus these are 2 different results-a tracker result and a cop result. Sameech is going to have to clarify this if he can.

I agree.

 

[House]

But this IMO would allow his scum partner, if he is scum to claim the same. Hummmm. Would we be opening a big ass can of worms and just confusing ourselves?

That would be a risky gambit, because if Sam winds up lynched his partner would be next on the train.

 

[Mertex]

@Wake

Unvote

@Wolfsister

Post 641 confirmed.

Is this post in the QT or somewhere else? I looked up post #641 here on this thread and this is what I found.

@ BobPlumb - You should defend yourself now.

 

[House]

@Wake

Unvote

@Wolfsister

Post 641 confirmed.

Is this post in the QT or somewhere else? I looked up post #641 here on this thread and this is what I found.

@ BobPlumb - You should defend yourself now.

It's neighborhood chat, hence the need for a confirmation.

 

[Mertex]

This is interesting. I have not seen Sam make the claim that he tracked by FA and Avatar on the same night. Why do you say this?

When House is on next he can confirm Sameech said this in the neighborhood QT #641.

@House

Hummmmm I believe you, he said he tracked BOTH FA and Avatar the same exact night?

Well, he said FA was town N1 and that sounds more like a cop than a tracker.

He said he saw Avi kill Rosie-well Rosie was killed N1.


So he has to be claiming both nights he watched 2 peoople and the results are odd also.

Did he say that as a result of his investigation, or was he just saying he thought FA was town.

Has he claimed who he watched Night 3?

He did not say who he watched/tracked N3. In 641 he said FA was town due to being a Night Watchman and specified N1. IN 687 he reminded me he confirmed FA was town. He's not too happy with this line of questioning but I have to at least ask.

I was a tracker in game 3.

The only result I got was "So and so did not visit anyone" or "so and so visited Mary". That was all I got from Wake. So I am not sure how Sam could have been so sure FA was town even if he got a no result. I don't recall him stating he was sure FA was town until AFTER he was NKed by scum. BUT again, I may have missed this, as you all know I am a bit off due to surgery/meds.

Cafe, if FA was town (and we now know he was) and Sameech tracked him, getting a "FA did not visit anyone" would indicate that FA was town. Town don't go visiting anyone at night.

 

[House]

This is interesting. I have not seen Sam make the claim that he tracked by FA and Avatar on the same night. Why do you say this?

When House is on next he can confirm Sameech said this in the neighborhood QT #641.

@House

Hummmmm I believe you, he said he tracked BOTH FA and Avatar the same exact night?

Well, he said FA was town N1 and that sounds more like a cop than a tracker.

He said he saw Avi kill Rosie-well Rosie was killed N1.


So he has to be claiming both nights he watched 2 peoople and the results are odd also.

Did he say that as a result of his investigation, or was he just saying he thought FA was town.

Has he claimed who he watched Night 3?

He did not say who he watched/tracked N3. In 641 he said FA was town due to being a Night Watchman and specified N1. IN 687 he reminded me he confirmed FA was town. He's not too happy with this line of questioning but I have to at least ask.

I was a tracker in game 3.

The only result I got was "So and so did not visit anyone" or "so and so visited Mary". That was all I got from Wake. So I am not sure how Sam could have been so sure FA was town even if he got a no result. I don't recall him stating he was sure FA was town until AFTER he was NKed by scum. BUT again, I may have missed this, as you all know I am a bit off due to surgery/meds.

Cafe, if FA was town (and we now know he was) and Sameech tracked him, getting a "FA did not visit anyone" would indicate that FA was town. Town don't go visiting anyone at night.

How would Sam visit both FA & Avatar on N1, is the question.