What is unconstitutional about what Trump proposes?

[Dana7360]

Emphasis on what he proposes...not what a bunch of shriek ears say he proposes.


Trump's ban on Muslim entry to the U.S. would be unconstitutional, experts say: Donald Trump in the news

The Republican Congress, via Ryan and McConnell, has come out overwhelmingly against Trump's idiocy.

The constitutional issue? Separation of powers.

Those people never learned about our government and our constitution.

They don't know that there are 3 equal parts of our government.

Legislative
Executive
Judicial

They obviously don't understand that the legislative, that's the congress, are the ones who pass laws and hold the purse strings. They don't understand that the only way to do what they want done is for both houses of congress to pass the legislation.

The executive, the president, signs the bill into law.

Even that won't make it law.

Because of the Judicial side of our government will never allow such a law to be implemented. Every court in the nation will rule against trump and for our constitution and laws.

These people are so devoid of knowledge of our government and constitution it's downright embarrassing. How did they get out of high school? US History is required to graduate. That course includes the constitution and government. We also were required to have what was called "contemporary problems" which is just a stupid name for a civics class. We learned contemporary politics, how our courts work, how congress works specifically how legislation became law and contemporary issues.

Never mind high school I was taught most of the above in grade school. At least we did in the 1960s. I can't speak for all schools in all states but when I went to school we were taught such basic foundation of our constitution and government when I was in grade school.

 

[Dana7360]

The government cannot discriminate based on religion. It's in the first amendment.

They'll do that pretzel logic thing where they'll say targeting certain people isnt discrimination. Followed by questions like "Whats discriminatory about it?".

Actually... granting illegals special privileges of achieving citizenship, over any other overseas immigrant that must endure the long process of achieving their legal right to become Americans as dictated under Federal Immigration law, would be deemed discriminatory.

Irrelevant to the argument.

Trump said he'd ban all Muslims, including Americans, from entering the country.

That's unconstitutional.

But the uneducated who support Trump don't seem to understand this very simple notion.

they are either uneducated or have NO respect for the constitution. They have no respect for the Laws that made this country strong ... so they deem themselves "patriots"

One day they diss Obama for being unconstitutional the next day they laud Trump for being unconstitutional.

Trump can run his campaign any way he chooses. Walking on the constitution should automatically end a campaign.

end of story.

Trump is trying to end his campaign. I said that several outrageous Trumpisms ago.

Exactly.

I said months ago trump's only job is to look so bad that the others in the clown car look sane.

 

[RodISHI]

Maybe you should do some reading;
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiT3ZCP7M3JAhVC6GMKHaYlCj4QFggkMAE&url=http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-66/pdf/STATUTE-66-Pg163.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHqPkrtpWwvFWlxBhWCEj1B2E-Fsw&sig2=Q2wf_RHq8KSnmUkHoGm7TA

MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO SOME READING


"4. _Resolved_, That alien friends are under the jurisdiction and protection of the laws of the State wherein they are: that no power over them has been delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the individual States, distinct from their power over citizens. And it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," the act of the Congress of the United States, passed on the -- day of July, 1798, intituled "An Act concerning aliens," which assumes powers over alien friends, not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force."


Thomas Jefferson


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Sorry bud your not up to date....Nice to see you got urself an old book though.

SEC. 212. (a) Except as otherwise provided in this Act, the following classes of aliens shall be ineligible to receive visas and shall be excluded from admission into the United States: (1) Aliens who are feeble-minded; (2) Aliens who are insane; (3) Aliens who have had one or more attacks of insanity; (4) Aliens afflicted with psychopathic personality, epilepsy, or a mental defect; (5) Aliens who are narcotic drug addicts or chronic alcoholics; (6) Aliens who are afflicted with tuberculosis in an}' form, or with leprosy, or any dangerous contagious disease; (7) Aliens not comprehended within any of the foregoing classes who are certified by the examining surgeon as having a physical defect, disease, or disability, w^hen determined by the consular or immigration officer to be of such a nature that it may affect the ability of the alien to earn a living, unless the alien affirmatively establishes that he will not have to earn a living; (8) Aliens who are paupers, professional beggars, or vagrants; (9) Aliens who have been convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political offense), or aliens who admit having committed such a crime, or aliens who admit committing acts which constitute the essential elements of such a crime...................etc. etc. etc............

MR DINGLE BERRY


IN ORDER FOR SEC 212 TO BE VALID THE CONSTITUTION MUST BE AMENDED


WHEN WAS THE CONSTITUTION AMENDED AND WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF THE AMENDMENT ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

THAT IS ALL I WANT TO KNOW

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As your hero says, "What does it matter". Sorry not here to do your research. Denying access to anyone who is not a citizen is not illegal.

MAYBE NOT IN CUBA VENEZUELA OR IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOOD---ISRAHELL.

From someone who "is the lowest in the United States."

 

[Contumacious]

MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO SOME READING


"4. _Resolved_, That alien friends are under the jurisdiction and protection of the laws of the State wherein they are: that no power over them has been delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the individual States, distinct from their power over citizens. And it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," the act of the Congress of the United States, passed on the -- day of July, 1798, intituled "An Act concerning aliens," which assumes powers over alien friends, not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force."


Thomas Jefferson


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Sorry bud your not up to date....Nice to see you got urself an old book though.

SEC. 212. (a) Except as otherwise provided in this Act, the following classes of aliens shall be ineligible to receive visas and shall be excluded from admission into the United States: (1) Aliens who are feeble-minded; (2) Aliens who are insane; (3) Aliens who have had one or more attacks of insanity; (4) Aliens afflicted with psychopathic personality, epilepsy, or a mental defect; (5) Aliens who are narcotic drug addicts or chronic alcoholics; (6) Aliens who are afflicted with tuberculosis in an}' form, or with leprosy, or any dangerous contagious disease; (7) Aliens not comprehended within any of the foregoing classes who are certified by the examining surgeon as having a physical defect, disease, or disability, w^hen determined by the consular or immigration officer to be of such a nature that it may affect the ability of the alien to earn a living, unless the alien affirmatively establishes that he will not have to earn a living; (8) Aliens who are paupers, professional beggars, or vagrants; (9) Aliens who have been convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political offense), or aliens who admit having committed such a crime, or aliens who admit committing acts which constitute the essential elements of such a crime...................etc. etc. etc............

MR DINGLE BERRY


IN ORDER FOR SEC 212 TO BE VALID THE CONSTITUTION MUST BE AMENDED


WHEN WAS THE CONSTITUTION AMENDED AND WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF THE AMENDMENT ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

THAT IS ALL I WANT TO KNOW

.

As your hero says, "What does it matter". Sorry not here to do your research. Denying access to anyone who is not a citizen is not illegal.

MAYBE NOT IN CUBA VENEZUELA OR IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOOD---ISRAHELL.

From someone who "is the lowest in the United States."

I SEE ,S O YOU FOUND NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION AND HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME INCOHERENT

 

[RodISHI]

Sorry bud your not up to date....Nice to see you got urself an old book though.

SEC. 212. (a) Except as otherwise provided in this Act, the following classes of aliens shall be ineligible to receive visas and shall be excluded from admission into the United States: (1) Aliens who are feeble-minded; (2) Aliens who are insane; (3) Aliens who have had one or more attacks of insanity; (4) Aliens afflicted with psychopathic personality, epilepsy, or a mental defect; (5) Aliens who are narcotic drug addicts or chronic alcoholics; (6) Aliens who are afflicted with tuberculosis in an}' form, or with leprosy, or any dangerous contagious disease; (7) Aliens not comprehended within any of the foregoing classes who are certified by the examining surgeon as having a physical defect, disease, or disability, w^hen determined by the consular or immigration officer to be of such a nature that it may affect the ability of the alien to earn a living, unless the alien affirmatively establishes that he will not have to earn a living; (8) Aliens who are paupers, professional beggars, or vagrants; (9) Aliens who have been convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political offense), or aliens who admit having committed such a crime, or aliens who admit committing acts which constitute the essential elements of such a crime...................etc. etc. etc............

MR DINGLE BERRY


IN ORDER FOR SEC 212 TO BE VALID THE CONSTITUTION MUST BE AMENDED


WHEN WAS THE CONSTITUTION AMENDED AND WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF THE AMENDMENT ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

THAT IS ALL I WANT TO KNOW

.

As your hero says, "What does it matter". Sorry not here to do your research. Denying access to anyone who is not a citizen is not illegal.

MAYBE NOT IN CUBA VENEZUELA OR IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOOD---ISRAHELL.

From someone who "is the lowest in the United States."

I SEE ,S O YOU FOUND NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION AND HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME INCOHERENT

I told you I am not here to do your research. Go back to ur old book and you can keep thinking you have all the answers.

 

[Ame®icano]

Trump suggested nothing illegal.

Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

United States Code, 2011 Edition

 

[Contumacious]

MR DINGLE BERRY


IN ORDER FOR SEC 212 TO BE VALID THE CONSTITUTION MUST BE AMENDED


WHEN WAS THE CONSTITUTION AMENDED AND WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF THE AMENDMENT ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

THAT IS ALL I WANT TO KNOW

.

As your hero says, "What does it matter". Sorry not here to do your research. Denying access to anyone who is not a citizen is not illegal.

MAYBE NOT IN CUBA VENEZUELA OR IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOOD---ISRAHELL.

From someone who "is the lowest in the United States."

I SEE ,S O YOU FOUND NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION AND HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME INCOHERENT

I told you I am not here to do your research. Go back to ur old book and you can keep thinking you have all the answers.

THE FACT IS THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE TO CONDUCT RESEARCH

SECONDLY , EVEN IF YOU TRIED YOU WILL FIND NOTHING TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION - NOTHING

 

[Ame®icano]

Your CAPS are annoying.

Maybe you should scream in bold so we can "hear" you better.

 

[Yarddog]

To me he proposes a temporary ban against a potential threat, until the government creates a foolproof solution. What's unconstitutional about that?

This reminds me of those threads that go "What do you consider rich?" where every answer is wrong. If you think banning a religion is constitutional then you just saved me a bunch of time.

He wasn't talking about banning a religion, He was talking about postponing entry into our country. Our vetting process is currently a failure and ISIS is trying to infiltrate the refugees. Why let people in that you will then have to keep track of once you let them in . The Female shooter in San Bernardino gave false information on entering the US. How many others you think there are.
The US governments first job and first priority is to represent the American people. This Admin thinks its their job to represent the people of the world first. They have no right to take chances with our lives when they themselves have security and armed body guards.

 

[Ame®icano]

He wasn't talking about banning a religion, He was talking about postponing entry into our country. Our vetting process is currently a failure and ISIS is trying to infiltrate the refugees. Why let people in that you will then have to keep track of once you let them in . The Female shooter in San Bernardino gave false information on entering the US. How many others you think there are.
The US governments first job and first priority is to represent the American people. This Admin thinks its their job to represent the people of the world first. They have no right to take chances with our lives when they themselves have security and armed body guards.

Leftist Americans... have fallen for the socialist leftist meme.
Japan has been restricting muslim immigration for a century. Guess how many terrorists attacks there. Plus, they don't really have to fear that their laws and customs will be replaced by Sharia as is slowly happening in parts of France, UK, Germany, Sweden... Are Japanese Islamophobic? Yes, but they have a right to be, as they simply don't want to catch the cancer of Islam.

Leftist america is too childish, blind, and dumb, to realize that wisdom is not fascist. Saudi Arabia, Israel, Japan, and even leftist Euro countries (Poland, Hungary) have stricter immigration laws than us. Whats so evil about it, when others do it. Nobody seems to complain when Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE do it. Muslims want to protect their countries. You think they accept Christian/Catholics immigrants in great hordes?

Take Jews: They restrict Muslim immigration. They take no Muslim, or much of any else. They literally have been caught in a eugenics program restricting black Somalian reproduction in their country. At the same time, Jews are criticizing Trump, and pushing Americans to let in Muslims, while at the same time they support what Israel is doing?

While the half of Muslim world hates us, what is so bad in not showing them love in return? And if you are part of western civilization, you probably know that they have been trying to replace western civilization for 1500 years.

Edit: And we did not caused it. This behavior is evident long before colonialism, so called US imperialism, creation of Israel, and drone strikes.

Thomas Jefferson, 1786, on the Barbary States:

We [Adams & Jefferson] took the liberty to make some enquiries concerning the ground of their pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. [Note they clarify “nations who have done them [i.e. Muslim Barbary States] no injury”]

The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of their prophet [i.e. Mohammed]; that it was written in their Koran; that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners; that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners; and that every Mussulman [Muslims] who was slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

 

[Londoner]

Emphasis on what he proposes...not what a bunch of shriek ears say he proposes.


Trump's ban on Muslim entry to the U.S. would be unconstitutional, experts say: Donald Trump in the news

Immigration law favors the home team. The government has a ton of leeway against immigrants, who are not U.S. Citizens,. Trump would have to engage in truly severe discrimination to run into any trouble. I just don't think we know enough about Trump's proposal to make a determination.

But yes, most people are speculating that Trump would run into issues with both the First and Fifth Amendments. However, this also assumes that his White House lawyers would be as stupid as him - which is inconceivable. Also, a Muslim immigrant would need a Constitutionally recognized interest in coming here, and Trump would have to be dumb enough to deny that interest based solely on religion.

(Sometimes I think Trump is smarter than he acts. Maybe he is just an opportunist who is simply pandering to talk radio idiots so he can inflate his brand by using the Republican Primary process as a stage. Maybe he doesn't hate Muslims and Mexicans as much as he claims. Think about is. Trump has Muslim business partners in Dubai. Perhaps he is putting on an act because stupidity, ignorance and bigotry works with the current Republican base. Seriously, we’re talking about people who can’t explain the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, and who couldn’t begin to explain the civil war in Syria and how ISIS fits into it. These are people who know nothing about the region or the Constitution or immigration law or the difference between a moderate Muslim and radical jihadist.)

But again, I don’t see any Constitutional problems for Trump because his lawyers and congress would never allow his moronic ideas to become law.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Emphasis on what he proposes...not what a bunch of shriek ears say he proposes.


Trump's ban on Muslim entry to the U.S. would be unconstitutional, experts say: Donald Trump in the news

jimmy carter did the same thing with Iranians

 

[jon_berzerk]

Fourth, the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today.We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly.-Jimmy Carter

 

[Londoner]

Emphasis on what he proposes...not what a bunch of shriek ears say he proposes.


Trump's ban on Muslim entry to the U.S. would be unconstitutional, experts say: Donald Trump in the news

jimmy carter did the same thing with Iranians

Wait.

The Republican Party has spent the last 30 years claiming that Jimmy Carter was a wimp who did absolutely nothing to keep us safe.

Yet, Carter was much tougher on the Iranians than Reagan, who sold them weapons and negotiated with them behind the backs of the American people.

But let's do the math here.

Carter prevented Iranians from entering the nation.

And in 1986 Reagan signed the largest Amnesty Bill in American history.

Yep. Reagan did the A-word

 

[Papageorgio]

Was it unconstitutional when President Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entering the USA during the hostage crisis?

No.

Banning citizens of a country from entering- whether its from Iran or Cuba or North Korea is perfectly Constitutional

Banning persons based solely upon their religion is not.

Now- can you tell the difference between an Iranian and a Muslim?

You still are not grasping who Carter banned....hint: religion played a part...so did medical necessity

Feel free to fill me in.

I can see that there is embargo on issuing visa's to Iranians but nothing about religion.

It is the same, the majority of Iranians were Muslim. Call it what it is. If it was okay then, why is it not okay now? At least be consistent.

It's not.

For it to be the same thing ALL muslims from ANY nation had to be banned by Carter. That would have had to include American muslims.

He didn't ban anyone based on their religion. He did it based on nationality.

You can lie all you want. You can make all the excuses you want. It still isn't honest and true reality.

I respectfully disagree. The beef with Iran wasn't with Christians, it was Muslims that had kidnapped Americans. Banning Iran kept 98% of Muslims out. They weren't afraid of Christians from Iraq.

If there was a curfew put in neighborhood where 98% of the neighborhood was black, you know damn well it would be viewed as a racial move.

 

[bripat9643]

they are either uneducated or have NO respect for the constitution. They have no respect for the Laws that made this country strong ... so they deem themselves "patriots"

One day they diss Obama for being unconstitutional the next day they laud Trump for being unconstitutional.

Trump can run his campaign any way he chooses. Walking on the constitution should automatically end a campaign.

end of story.

NO FUCKTARD - YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS UNEDUCATED AND SHOW NO RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION OR FOR YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS


1- In 1949 , in order to grandstand for the powerful zionut lobby, Truman dispossessed or made homeless 1,500,000 Palestinians - who with a stroke of a pen became foreigners in their own land

2- The US has given Israhell over $130 BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBillion dollars which have been used to perpetrate the Palestinian Holocaust

3- In order to continue to grandstand for the zionut lobby in 1990 the US invaded Iraq where it slaughtered millions of women and children - and remained in that Country for 18 years

4- In 2015 Obama invaded Syria where it has completely destroyed that country forcing the Syrians to become international refugees.

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If I had no respect for the constitution I wouldn't be coming up with excuses not to follow federal immigration laws. Laws every other overseas immigrant follows. Why is it exactly that democrats don't give a crap at all about the protection of its own citizens that they are willing to chance a terrorist taking advantage of an open border? It's no wonder this nation isn't any safer than it was when President Obama first took office.

AS SHOWN THE US IS COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MIDEAST TURMOIL.

AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW.


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Immigration is regulated at the federal level, chiefly under the rules established in 1952 with the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

The U.S. Congress has control over all immigration-related regulations, while the White House is in charge of enforcing immigration laws.

- See more at: Federal vs. State Immigration Laws - FindLaw

THAT IS BULLSHIT AND A BOLD FACE USURPATION


FEDGOV WAS ONLY AUTHORIZED TO ******NATURALIZE****** CITIZENS BUT NO AUTHORITY TO INTERDICT , DETAIN AND DEPORT WAS EVER GRANTED


THE POWER REMAINED WITH THE 50 STATES.


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The Supreme Court just ruled otherwise.

 

[JQPublic1]

The government cannot discriminate based on religion. It's in the first amendment.

Not when referring to immigration. Hell, those people aren't even CITIZENS.

Trump said he would include Muslim American

He couldn't do anything about citizens, legally. He, with Congress, can stop immigration if they want. They could stop importing jews and homos if they wanted.

Trump is the kind of man that doesn't take no for an answer. If he became president I would expect him to declare Martial Law and suspend parts of the Constitution indefinitely. Under ML his
proposals could be implemented with no opposition from Congress since as Commander In Chief of the armed forces he would instantly become the sole government entity and ruler...
To be succinct, all that he proposes now would be perfectly legal..

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Emphasis on what he proposes...not what a bunch of shriek ears say he proposes.


Trump's ban on Muslim entry to the U.S. would be unconstitutional, experts say: Donald Trump in the news

Nothing according to two law professors on CNN. That's the amusing part. "You mean we coulda kept the bastards out all along?"

 

[Claudette]

Emphasis on what he proposes...not what a bunch of shriek ears say he proposes.


Trump's ban on Muslim entry to the U.S. would be unconstitutional, experts say: Donald Trump in the news

I don't think Muslims have an inherent right to be here. Same as any other furriners.

I agree and nothing says America has to let them in either. We have the right to say who does or doesn't come into OUR country.

 

[Ravi]

The left when confronted with historical facts that do not suit their present agenda

You've distorted historical facts.

“[T]he Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly,” Carter said in 1980.

Here's why Trump's remarks on Muslim immigrants aren’t actually controversial - Personal Liberty®