Perspective: How It All Happened

[PoliticalChic]

My GOD PC, what is this world coming to? But...but...but...you guys keep saying FDR and Mussolini were Marxist socialists. And that fascism is a leftist philosophy! NOW, you're telling me FDR and Mussolini were corporatists? And fascism is really corporatism. Holy COW, does Jonah Goldberg know about this yet?

But NOW I get it!... Boy, that FDR was really a sly one. All those social programs, work programs, Second Bill of Rights and wage increases were just a diversion. Man oh MAN, have I been fooled.

What next PC? Marxists in Prussia voted against Otto von Bismarck’s compulsory health insurance? Churchill was the father of the British welfare state? The Welfare state is a characteristic of advanced capitalist economies? Labour was the last of the three British parties to accept a National Health Service???

Move OVER Ronald Reagan, make room for the new icons of the right...

But now that you mention it PC...it is all falling in place!

"O con noi o contro di noi"—You're either with us or against us
Benito Mussolini

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists"
George W. Bush

So, another one of my posts in which you were unable to find even the tiniest of errors?



1. “He was a staunch proponent of revolutionary rather than reformist socialism, and actually received Lenin's endorsement and support for expelling reformists from the Socialist Party. He was in fact first dubbed "Il Duce" (the Leader) when he was a member of Italy's (Marxist) Socialist Party.”
Roman Salute & Benito Mussolini -The raised one arm salute is a myth re: Roman Salute: Cinema, History, Ideology & myths debunked by Dr. Rex Curry along with Gladiator: Film and History. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE & SOCIALIST SALUTES & SOCIALISM: The socia

2. Not only was Mussolini, the major Fascist a socialist, but the progenitor of Progressivism was Fascism, and the 19th century Progressives made no secret of their support of Fascism and of Mussolini.

a. "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
Sounds like FDR, doesn't it.



3. And intellectuals and elites in America, they saw the evil right away, didn’t they?

a. The 1934 Cole Porter hit ‘You’re the Top” had the perfectly acceptable line “You are Mussolini.”
b. The Chicago Tribune supported his invasion of Ethiopia (Change of Subject: Streetworthy? The case for and against Italo Balbo

You are faced with a real quandary PC. Either Mussolini was a corporatist and fascism is really corporatism, OR Mussolini was a socialist.

Pick ONE...

No surprise Lenin endorsed Mussolini. Lenin was a communist, not a socialist. The Soviet Union officially abandoned socialism in 1921 when Lenin instituted the New Economic Policy allowing for taxation, local trade, some state capitalism... and extreme profiteering. Later that year, he purged 259,000 from the party membership and therefore purged them from voting (shades of the US election of 2000!) and fewer and fewer people were involved in making decisions.

Fascist or socialist....
"Pick ONE..."


Why, you big dummy?????


1. . “He became the secretary of the local socialist party in Forli and became the editor of the socialist newspaper "The Class Struggle" (La Lotta di Classe)….After he left the ‘L’Avanti, Mussolini still claimed to be a socialist but his colleagues disagreed. At a meeting in Milan they decided to expel him from the Socialist Party. He told them ‘You cannot get rid of me because I am and always will be a socialist. You hate me because you still love me." ”
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/benito_mussolini.htm


2. It is Sorel’s syndicalism that makes Mussolini’s socialism into fascism. The connection is even more clear when one recalls that syndicalists believed in rule by revolutionary trade unions: the word is from the French ‘syndicat,’ meaning ‘trade union,’ while the Italian ‘fascio,’ which means bundle, was often used for trade unions.
Sorelianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, it appears that Socialist, Fascist, Progressive, Communist, Marxist, Liberal, all are fruit of the very same poisonous tree.
They all enslave people.


Did I teach you enough today????

 

[Oddball]

You watched it? Please give me a recap?

If you really did watch it, you would know that insurance corporations have been doing really bad things, and not even 'for the good of the people', but only for the good of their profits. Even REAL death panels, where Americans DIE, and claims department personnel are rewarded and incentivized to deny expensive treatments to fellow Americans facing serious and fatal illnesses AND then in the middle of fighting for their lives, they have to face bankruptcy and losing everything worked their whole life for to add the final dagger.

And despite the eeeeeeevil insurance companies focusing on their profits, they served us very well before government started meddling. There were good insurance companies and not so good insurance companies just as there are good restaurants and restaurants that suck. People are fallible, sometimes stupid, sometimes oppportunistic, sometimes dishonest. But to put all insurance companies in the same box is just as wrong as putting all Democrats into the same box or all Republicans into the same box.

However, once the government started meddling, it became more profitable for the insurance companies to please government instead of their customers. And the system did become very skewed. They'll pay the price though when the government takes it all over and puts the insurance companies out of business. And we the people will suffer the consequences of that in a much much worse way that any anecdotal consequences of a few bad insurance companies.

I swear this is like Bill Murray's Ground hog Day. It is always the same right wing propaganda...EVERYTHING that scurrilous people do, like insurance cartel's death panels is not because these people are scurrilous, it's because of GOVERNMENT. The fucking government made them do it, fuck personal responsibility, fuck morals and ethics. You right wing turds always preach 'personal responsibility', then you make excuses for your beloved CEO's and the hierarchy you worship. The 'captains of industry' can do no wrong, they are VICTIMS...victim-hood; the right wing mantra.

You right wingers need to educate yourself about who our founding fathers were. They were not 'laissez-faire' capitalist. They did not believe in any 'invisible hand'. They totally controlled corporations. They would have cancelled the corporate charter of these scurrilous insurance cartels in an instant, and arrested your beloved 'captains of industry'

Our founding fathers did not subscribe to Adam Smith's 'invisible hand'. They believed in very heavy regulations and restrictions on corporations. They were men who held ethics as the most important attribute. They viewed being paid by the American people for their services as a privilege not a right. And they had no problem closing down any corporation that swindled the people, and holding owners and stockholder personally liable for any harm to the people they caused.

Early laws regulating corporations in America

*Corporations were required to have a clear purpose, to be fulfilled but not exceeded.

*Corporations’ licenses to do business were revocable by the state legislature if they exceeded or did not fulfill their chartered purpose(s).

*The state legislature could revoke a corporation’s charter if it misbehaved.

*The act of incorporation did not relieve corporate management or stockholders/owners of responsibility or liability for corporate acts.

*As a matter of course, corporation officers, directors, or agents couldn’t break the law and avoid punishment by claiming they were “just doing their job” when committing crimes but instead could be held criminally liable for violating the law.

*Directors of the corporation were required to come from among stockholders.

*Corporations had to have their headquarters and meetings in the state where their principal place of business was located.

*Corporation charters were granted for a specific period of time, such as twenty or thirty years (instead of being granted “in perpetuity,” as is now the practice).

*Corporations were prohibited from owning stock in other corporations, to prevent them from extending their power inappropriately.

*Corporations’ real estate holdings were limited to what was necessary to carry out their specific purpose(s).

*Corporations were prohibited from making any political contributions, direct or indirect.

*Corporations were prohibited from making charitable or civic donations outside of their specific purposes.

*State legislatures could set the rates that some monopoly corporations could charge for their products or services.

*All corporation records and documents were open to the legislature or the state attorney general.

The Early Role of Corporations in America

The Legacy of the Founding Parents
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What caused the Progressive movement

We tried unregulated corporations in America. The closest experiment to total deregulation in this country occurred between the end of the Civil War and the beginning of the 19th century...it was called the Gilded Age; an era where America was as far from our founder's intent of a democratic society and closest to an aristocracy that our founder's were willing to lay down their lives to defeat.

It was opposition to that same Gilded Age that was the genesis of the Progressive movement in this country. When you study history, almost always just cause is behind it.

The only enemies of the Constitution are those who try to wield it as a weapon against the living, by using the words of the dead.
Me

Gubmint charters corporations and gives them all their benefits, not the least of which is limited liabilities from lawsuits.

Corporations have no power that your holy Big Daddy Big Gubmint didn't give them, fool.

 

[Bfgrn]

So, another one of my posts in which you were unable to find even the tiniest of errors?



1. “He was a staunch proponent of revolutionary rather than reformist socialism, and actually received Lenin's endorsement and support for expelling reformists from the Socialist Party. He was in fact first dubbed "Il Duce" (the Leader) when he was a member of Italy's (Marxist) Socialist Party.”
Roman Salute & Benito Mussolini -The raised one arm salute is a myth re: Roman Salute: Cinema, History, Ideology & myths debunked by Dr. Rex Curry along with Gladiator: Film and History. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE & SOCIALIST SALUTES & SOCIALISM: The socia

2. Not only was Mussolini, the major Fascist a socialist, but the progenitor of Progressivism was Fascism, and the 19th century Progressives made no secret of their support of Fascism and of Mussolini.

a. "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
Sounds like FDR, doesn't it.



3. And intellectuals and elites in America, they saw the evil right away, didn’t they?

a. The 1934 Cole Porter hit ‘You’re the Top” had the perfectly acceptable line “You are Mussolini.”
b. The Chicago Tribune supported his invasion of Ethiopia (Change of Subject: Streetworthy? The case for and against Italo Balbo

You are faced with a real quandary PC. Either Mussolini was a corporatist and fascism is really corporatism, OR Mussolini was a socialist.

Pick ONE...

No surprise Lenin endorsed Mussolini. Lenin was a communist, not a socialist. The Soviet Union officially abandoned socialism in 1921 when Lenin instituted the New Economic Policy allowing for taxation, local trade, some state capitalism... and extreme profiteering. Later that year, he purged 259,000 from the party membership and therefore purged them from voting (shades of the US election of 2000!) and fewer and fewer people were involved in making decisions.

Fascist or socialist....
"Pick ONE..."


Why, you big dummy?????


1. . “He became the secretary of the local socialist party in Forli and became the editor of the socialist newspaper "The Class Struggle" (La Lotta di Classe)….After he left the ‘L’Avanti, Mussolini still claimed to be a socialist but his colleagues disagreed. At a meeting in Milan they decided to expel him from the Socialist Party. He told them ‘You cannot get rid of me because I am and always will be a socialist. You hate me because you still love me." ”
Benito Mussolini


2. It is Sorel’s syndicalism that makes Mussolini’s socialism into fascism. The connection is even more clear when one recalls that syndicalists believed in rule by revolutionary trade unions: the word is from the French ‘syndicat,’ meaning ‘trade union,’ while the Italian ‘fascio,’ which means bundle, was often used for trade unions.
Sorelianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, it appears that Socialist, Fascist, Progressive, Communist, Marxist, Liberal, all are fruit of the very same poisonous tree.
They all enslave people.


Did I teach you enough today????

Your active ignorance is really showing PC. This time you have to choose one or the other.

Either Mussolini was a corporatist and fascism is really corporatism, OR Mussolini was a socialist.

Pick ONE...

 

[TemplarKormac]

You are faced with a real quandary PC. Either Mussolini was a corporatist and fascism is really corporatism, OR Mussolini was a socialist.

Pick ONE...

No surprise Lenin endorsed Mussolini. Lenin was a communist, not a socialist. The Soviet Union officially abandoned socialism in 1921 when Lenin instituted the New Economic Policy allowing for taxation, local trade, some state capitalism... and extreme profiteering. Later that year, he purged 259,000 from the party membership and therefore purged them from voting (shades of the US election of 2000!) and fewer and fewer people were involved in making decisions.

Fascist or socialist....
"Pick ONE..."


Why, you big dummy?????


1. . “He became the secretary of the local socialist party in Forli and became the editor of the socialist newspaper "The Class Struggle" (La Lotta di Classe)….After he left the ‘L’Avanti, Mussolini still claimed to be a socialist but his colleagues disagreed. At a meeting in Milan they decided to expel him from the Socialist Party. He told them ‘You cannot get rid of me because I am and always will be a socialist. You hate me because you still love me." ”
Benito Mussolini


2. It is Sorel’s syndicalism that makes Mussolini’s socialism into fascism. The connection is even more clear when one recalls that syndicalists believed in rule by revolutionary trade unions: the word is from the French ‘syndicat,’ meaning ‘trade union,’ while the Italian ‘fascio,’ which means bundle, was often used for trade unions.
Sorelianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, it appears that Socialist, Fascist, Progressive, Communist, Marxist, Liberal, all are fruit of the very same poisonous tree.
They all enslave people.


Did I teach you enough today????

Your active ignorance is really showing PC. This time you have to choose one or the other.

Either Mussolini was a corporatist and fascism is really corporatism, OR Mussolini was a socialist.

Pick ONE...

Now this has morphed into the "rich people are eeeeevil" argument. Somehow being a corporation in a society that encourages free enterprise is akin to being a fascist to a Liberal.

 

[Bfgrn]

Fascist or socialist....
"Pick ONE..."


Why, you big dummy?????


1. . “He became the secretary of the local socialist party in Forli and became the editor of the socialist newspaper "The Class Struggle" (La Lotta di Classe)….After he left the ‘L’Avanti, Mussolini still claimed to be a socialist but his colleagues disagreed. At a meeting in Milan they decided to expel him from the Socialist Party. He told them ‘You cannot get rid of me because I am and always will be a socialist. You hate me because you still love me." ”
Benito Mussolini


2. It is Sorel’s syndicalism that makes Mussolini’s socialism into fascism. The connection is even more clear when one recalls that syndicalists believed in rule by revolutionary trade unions: the word is from the French ‘syndicat,’ meaning ‘trade union,’ while the Italian ‘fascio,’ which means bundle, was often used for trade unions.
Sorelianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, it appears that Socialist, Fascist, Progressive, Communist, Marxist, Liberal, all are fruit of the very same poisonous tree.
They all enslave people.


Did I teach you enough today????

Your active ignorance is really showing PC. This time you have to choose one or the other.

Either Mussolini was a corporatist and fascism is really corporatism, OR Mussolini was a socialist.

Pick ONE...

Now this has morphed into the "rich people are eeeeevil" argument. Somehow being a corporation in a society that encourages free enterprise is akin to being a fascist to a Liberal.

Try to pay attention, it will help you not look foolish again.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Liberals have absolutely no understanding of free enterprise or capitalism. They think that companies thrive by screwing customers over, it's like a restaurant hoping to thrive by serving small portions of rancid food delivered by nasty waiters

 

[Bfgrn]

Liberals have absolutely no understanding of free enterprise or capitalism. They think that companies thrive by screwing customers over, it's like a restaurant hoping to thrive by serving small portions of rancid food delivered by nasty waiters

Actually liberals have a better understanding of free enterprise and capitalism.

"serving small portions of rancid food delivered by nasty waiters" is a perfect definition of conservatism.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Your active ignorance is really showing PC. This time you have to choose one or the other.

Either Mussolini was a corporatist and fascism is really corporatism, OR Mussolini was a socialist.

Pick ONE...

Now this has morphed into the "rich people are eeeeevil" argument. Somehow being a corporation in a society that encourages free enterprise is akin to being a fascist to a Liberal.

Try to pay attention, it will help you not look foolish again.

Educate yourself next time, and I won't make you look foolish next time.

 

[Bfgrn]

Now this has morphed into the "rich people are eeeeevil" argument. Somehow being a corporation in a society that encourages free enterprise is akin to being a fascist to a Liberal.

Try to pay attention, it will help you not look foolish again.

Educate yourself next time, and I won't make you look foolish next time.

Save the phony bluster sonny boy. Go back and READ.

Reading without reflecting is like eating without digesting.
Edmund Burke

 

[Oddball]

Try to pay attention, it will help you not look foolish again.

Educate yourself next time, and I won't make you look foolish next time.

Save the phony bluster sonny boy. Go back and READ.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[Oddball]

Liberals have absolutely no understanding of free enterprise or capitalism. They think that companies thrive by screwing customers over, it's like a restaurant hoping to thrive by serving small portions of rancid food delivered by nasty waiters

Actually liberals have a better understanding of free enterprise and capitalism.

"serving small portions of rancid food delivered by nasty waiters" is a perfect definition of conservatism.

You have no understanding of anything, other than the copy-and-pasting of the words of others to try and make yourself appear as though you do.

 

[Bfgrn]

Liberals have absolutely no understanding of free enterprise or capitalism. They think that companies thrive by screwing customers over, it's like a restaurant hoping to thrive by serving small portions of rancid food delivered by nasty waiters

Actually liberals have a better understanding of free enterprise and capitalism.

"serving small portions of rancid food delivered by nasty waiters" is a perfect definition of conservatism.

You have no understanding of anything, other than the copy-and-pasting of the words of others to try and make yourself appear as though you do.

I have a vast understanding of many things. Most of it from personal experience competing in the market place. I actually earned a very good living. I didn't have daddy and mommy hire a butler to wipe my ass for me like you.

 

[Foxfyre]

"'Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."--Benito Mussolini

There is no evidence anywhere that Mussolini ever said this though it is widely repeated on leftwing websites usually to illustrate the evils of American corporations. The first reference to it anybody has found seems to be in a Michael Ruppert propaganda piece written in 2004 and it appears that Ruppert made it up. "Corporatism" is a word found nowhere else in Mussolini's speeches or recorded quotations and he is highly unlikely to have endorsed Lenin as Bfgn has suggested.

Mussolini's Italy was described as a corporate state, and the declared objective of the corporate state was both social revolution and national cohesion – as opposed to the class warfare of Marxism and the Bolshevik Revolution. The notion of "permanent revolution" or a "second wave" with a more socialist bent was suppressed within the Fascist movement. In the new corporate state, employers, managers and workers were supposed to be united within the same legal framework. The monarchy, the army, government bureaucracy, the Church and the middle class were supposed to play a role in strengthening state power, each group with a prescribed role, with the state as the ultimate arbiter of the national interest. And it was everyone's duty to contribute to the strength and glorification of the state.
Prime Minister Mussolini Increases His Power

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

I think it was FDR who suggested that as Democracy was suppressed, Facism would rise. As our own government gains/assumes more and more power and authority, the danger is that it will continue to grow larger and more pervasive and invasive until it smothers most or all private initiative and enterprise. Lately that has looked more and more possible. And it is a certainty that if powers merge into a one-world government concept, the only way it will retain control is through a Facist-like authority.

Mussolini didn't disband the corporations and the government took control of only a few. He did make sure the corporations were headed by his own people, loyal to the goals and dictates of the state. Government doesn't have to own the corporations in order to control everything they do.

Facists deplored and railed against communism. Marx promoted it. But Marx also knew that a Facist period would be necessary to get there. What he didn't know, or at least didn't express, was that once we get to Facism, those in power never seem willing to give it up in order to give the power back to the people.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You are faced with a real quandary PC. Either Mussolini was a corporatist and fascism is really corporatism, OR Mussolini was a socialist.

Pick ONE...

No surprise Lenin endorsed Mussolini. Lenin was a communist, not a socialist. The Soviet Union officially abandoned socialism in 1921 when Lenin instituted the New Economic Policy allowing for taxation, local trade, some state capitalism... and extreme profiteering. Later that year, he purged 259,000 from the party membership and therefore purged them from voting (shades of the US election of 2000!) and fewer and fewer people were involved in making decisions.

Fascist or socialist....
"Pick ONE..."


Why, you big dummy?????


1. . “He became the secretary of the local socialist party in Forli and became the editor of the socialist newspaper "The Class Struggle" (La Lotta di Classe)….After he left the ‘L’Avanti, Mussolini still claimed to be a socialist but his colleagues disagreed. At a meeting in Milan they decided to expel him from the Socialist Party. He told them ‘You cannot get rid of me because I am and always will be a socialist. You hate me because you still love me." ”
Benito Mussolini


2. It is Sorel’s syndicalism that makes Mussolini’s socialism into fascism. The connection is even more clear when one recalls that syndicalists believed in rule by revolutionary trade unions: the word is from the French ‘syndicat,’ meaning ‘trade union,’ while the Italian ‘fascio,’ which means bundle, was often used for trade unions.
Sorelianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, it appears that Socialist, Fascist, Progressive, Communist, Marxist, Liberal, all are fruit of the very same poisonous tree.
They all enslave people.


Did I teach you enough today????

Your active ignorance is really showing PC. This time you have to choose one or the other.

Either Mussolini was a corporatist and fascism is really corporatism, OR Mussolini was a socialist.

Pick ONE...

What a choice! That’s like asking me whether I’d rather be O.J.’s girlfriend, or Michael Schiavo’s wife.


I can't decide whether you're insane or crazy.
I just proved that Mussolini is both socialist and fascist.....



Now for your choice: which is your favorite Menendez brother???


".... Erik and Lyle Menendez were convicted of murdering their parents. Their crimes were bloody, and the trials that followed -- with their often gruesome details -- created a national sensation."
Menendez brothers convicted in parents' murder 16 years ago - latimes.com

 

[Bfgrn]

"'Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."--Benito Mussolini

There is no evidence anywhere that Mussolini ever said this though it is widely repeated on leftwing websites usually to illustrate the evils of American corporations. The first reference to it anybody has found seems to be in a Michael Ruppert propaganda piece written in 2004 and it appears that Ruppert made it up. "Corporatism" is a word found nowhere else in Mussolini's speeches or recorded quotations and he is highly unlikely to have endorsed Lenin as Bfgn has suggested.

Mussolini's Italy was described as a corporate state, and the declared objective of the corporate state was both social revolution and national cohesion – as opposed to the class warfare of Marxism and the Bolshevik Revolution. The notion of "permanent revolution" or a "second wave" with a more socialist bent was suppressed within the Fascist movement. In the new corporate state, employers, managers and workers were supposed to be united within the same legal framework. The monarchy, the army, government bureaucracy, the Church and the middle class were supposed to play a role in strengthening state power, each group with a prescribed role, with the state as the ultimate arbiter of the national interest. And it was everyone's duty to contribute to the strength and glorification of the state.
Prime Minister Mussolini Increases His Power

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

I think it was FDR who suggested that as Democracy was suppressed, Facism would rise. As our own government gains/assumes more and more power and authority, the danger is that it will continue to grow larger and more pervasive and invasive until it smothers most or all private initiative and enterprise. Lately that has looked more and more possible. And it is a certainty that if powers merge into a one-world government concept, the only way it will retain control is through a Facist-like authority.

Mussolini didn't disband the corporations and the government took control of only a few. He did make sure the corporations were headed by his own people, loyal to the goals and dictates of the state. Government doesn't have to own the corporations in order to control everything they do.

Facists deplored and railed against communism. Marx promoted it. But Marx also knew that a Facist period would be necessary to get there. What he didn't know, or at least didn't express, was that once we get to Facism, those in power never seem willing to give it up in order to give the power back to the people.

Interesting article. I thought it would be 'enlightening' to add some thing you left out. If Mussolini was a 'socialist', why wasn't he a member of Italy's Socialist Party? Why was he opposed by socialists? Why did he have a popular Socialist member of parliament kidnapped and murdered? Why did he bust unions?

Prime Minister Mussolini Increases His Power

The Fascists continued to be a minority in Parliament, holding only forty seats. Then, in the elections in April 1924, with the Fascists employing terror and illegalities, they won a parliamentary majority: 374 seats. Despite the intimidation, 19 Communists won seats, as did 46 Socialists and 39 from the reformist, anti-fascist, Catholic, Popular Party.

Mussolini had a secret police force led by a clique of high-ranking fascist officials, a force he affectionately called the Cheka, a force that was in the habit of attacking anyone who made themselves obnoxious to Mussolini's interests. They kidnapped and murdered a popular Socialist member of parliament, Giacomo Matteotti. And 150 deputies protested the killing by quitting Parliament – a mistake. It left Parliament without anyone supporting democracy.

Mussolini then strengthened his regime by signing an agreement with the industrialists, assuring them control over their own industries. He made a similar agreement with the large employers in agriculture and commerce. Unions were crippled further. They could not strike and they were denied the right to the leaders of their choice.

Mussolini found it opportune to make an agreement with the Catholic Church. He was no longer making anti-religious pronouncements. The Church gave its approval to Mussolini's regime in exchange for holding territorial sovereignty at the Vatican, for a privileged position in matters of education and for Italy maintaining marriage laws in accordance with Church teachings. Religious education was reintroduced into Italy's schools. Crucifixes were displayed in the courts of law.

Mussolini was able to shut down hostile newspapers and to make the remaining press subservient to his government's authority. And the Fascists were strong enough as a parliamentary force that they were able to outlaw rival political parties. To the applause of the nation, Mussolini spoke of the putrefying corpse of liberty. His government emphasized the virtues of militarism along with the fascist credo, "Together we are strong!" Boys and girls of all ages were enrolled in semi-military formations, given black shirts, toy machine guns and taught loyalty to the state.

 

[Bfgrn]

Fascist or socialist....
"Pick ONE..."


Why, you big dummy?????


1. . “He became the secretary of the local socialist party in Forli and became the editor of the socialist newspaper "The Class Struggle" (La Lotta di Classe)….After he left the ‘L’Avanti, Mussolini still claimed to be a socialist but his colleagues disagreed. At a meeting in Milan they decided to expel him from the Socialist Party. He told them ‘You cannot get rid of me because I am and always will be a socialist. You hate me because you still love me." ”
Benito Mussolini


2. It is Sorel’s syndicalism that makes Mussolini’s socialism into fascism. The connection is even more clear when one recalls that syndicalists believed in rule by revolutionary trade unions: the word is from the French ‘syndicat,’ meaning ‘trade union,’ while the Italian ‘fascio,’ which means bundle, was often used for trade unions.
Sorelianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, it appears that Socialist, Fascist, Progressive, Communist, Marxist, Liberal, all are fruit of the very same poisonous tree.
They all enslave people.


Did I teach you enough today????

Your active ignorance is really showing PC. This time you have to choose one or the other.

Either Mussolini was a corporatist and fascism is really corporatism, OR Mussolini was a socialist.

Pick ONE...

What a choice! That’s like asking me whether I’d rather be O.J.’s girlfriend, or Michael Schiavo’s wife.


I can't decide whether you're insane or crazy.
I just proved that Mussolini is both socialist and fascist.....



Now for your choice: which is your favorite Menendez brother???


".... Erik and Lyle Menendez were convicted of murdering their parents. Their crimes were bloody, and the trials that followed -- with their often gruesome details -- created a national sensation."
Menendez brothers convicted in parents' murder 16 years ago - latimes.com

As I have said before about your active ignorance, intelligent people read to learn and gain knowledge. You read like a vulture only in search of road kill. Seeking ammunition to gun down anything you try to connect to liberalism, no matter how contrived or dishonest. You would have been very useful in the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. All you would need to do is learn German.

SEE Post #455

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your active ignorance is really showing PC. This time you have to choose one or the other.

Either Mussolini was a corporatist and fascism is really corporatism, OR Mussolini was a socialist.

Pick ONE...

What a choice! That’s like asking me whether I’d rather be O.J.’s girlfriend, or Michael Schiavo’s wife.


I can't decide whether you're insane or crazy.
I just proved that Mussolini is both socialist and fascist.....



Now for your choice: which is your favorite Menendez brother???


".... Erik and Lyle Menendez were convicted of murdering their parents. Their crimes were bloody, and the trials that followed -- with their often gruesome details -- created a national sensation."
Menendez brothers convicted in parents' murder 16 years ago - latimes.com

As I have said before about your active ignorance, intelligent people read to learn and gain knowledge. You read like a vulture only in search of road kill. Seeking ammunition to gun down anything you try to connect to liberalism, no matter how contrived or dishonest. You would have been very useful in the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. All you would need to do is learn German.

SEE Post #455

Was Sie denken, habe ich nicht?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Your active ignorance is really showing PC. This time you have to choose one or the other.

Either Mussolini was a corporatist and fascism is really corporatism, OR Mussolini was a socialist.

Pick ONE...

What a choice! That’s like asking me whether I’d rather be O.J.’s girlfriend, or Michael Schiavo’s wife.


I can't decide whether you're insane or crazy.
I just proved that Mussolini is both socialist and fascist.....



Now for your choice: which is your favorite Menendez brother???


".... Erik and Lyle Menendez were convicted of murdering their parents. Their crimes were bloody, and the trials that followed -- with their often gruesome details -- created a national sensation."
Menendez brothers convicted in parents' murder 16 years ago - latimes.com

As I have said before about your active ignorance, intelligent people read to learn and gain knowledge. You read like a vulture only in search of road kill. Seeking ammunition to gun down anything you try to connect to liberalism, no matter how contrived or dishonest. You would have been very useful in the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. All you would need to do is learn German.

SEE Post #455

How can you gain knowledge when you sit there calling other people stupid, Bf? Grow a pair and actually learn your way through an argument for a change.

 

[Oddball]

As I have said before about your active ignorance, intelligent people read to learn and gain knowledge. You read like a vulture only in search of road kill. Seeking ammunition to gun down anything you try to connect to liberalism, no matter how contrived or dishonest. You would have been very useful in the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. All you would need to do is learn German.

Projection, irony and complete lack of introspection all rolled int one tiny paragraph.

 

[Bfgrn]

What a choice! That’s like asking me whether I’d rather be O.J.’s girlfriend, or Michael Schiavo’s wife.


I can't decide whether you're insane or crazy.
I just proved that Mussolini is both socialist and fascist.....



Now for your choice: which is your favorite Menendez brother???


".... Erik and Lyle Menendez were convicted of murdering their parents. Their crimes were bloody, and the trials that followed -- with their often gruesome details -- created a national sensation."
Menendez brothers convicted in parents' murder 16 years ago - latimes.com

As I have said before about your active ignorance, intelligent people read to learn and gain knowledge. You read like a vulture only in search of road kill. Seeking ammunition to gun down anything you try to connect to liberalism, no matter how contrived or dishonest. You would have been very useful in the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. All you would need to do is learn German.

SEE Post #455

How can you gain knowledge when you sit there calling other people stupid, Bf? Grow a pair and actually learn your way through an argument for a change.

You JUMPED in without even knowing what the argument is, what do you call that?