Who is responsible for the devastation of Black America?

[AvgGuyIA]

Leftists like to claim the problems in the black community are the result of white racism. This is obviously incorrect, since blacks were doing much better before the Great Society and at a time when overt racism was present in society.

The Great Walter Williams exposes the fraud:
A good start to meeting that challenge is to recognize that much of the pathology seen in many black communities is entirely new in black history. Let's look at some of that history. In the late 1800s, depending on the city, 70 to 80 percent of black households were two-parent. In 1925 New York City, 85 percent of black households were two-parent. As late as 1950, only 18 percent of black households were single-parent. From 1890 to 1940, a slightly higher percentage of black adults had married than white adults. In 1940, black illegitimacy was about 14 percent.

Today it's an entirely different story. Black illegitimacy is 75 percent. Close to 50 percent of marriage-age blacks never marry. Close to 70 percent of black households are female-headed. If one thinks family structure doesn't matter, consider that the poverty rate among black female-headed families is about 47 percent but among married families it has been in the single digits for more than two decades. It's not just poverty. Children raised by single parents are likelier to be physically abused; use drugs; engage in violent, delinquent and criminal behavior; have emotional and behavioral problems; and drop out of school.

What about employment? Every census from 1890 to 1950 showed that black labor force participation rates were higher than those of whites. Today it's a mere fraction. Prior to the mid-'50s, the unemployment rate for black 16- and 17-year-olds was under 10 percent and less than that of whites. Who would argue that this more favorable employment picture was because there was less racial discrimination in the job market in earlier times? Labor laws such as the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931 -- a federal minimum wage law for construction workers -- and the 1938 federal minimum wage law for all workers reduced work opportunities for blacks.

Then there's the high crime rate. Each year, roughly 7,000 blacks are murdered. Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person. Though blacks are 13 percent of the nation's population, they are more than 50 percent of homicide victims. Nationally, the black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it's 22 times that of whites. Along with being most of the nation's homicide victims, blacks are most of the victims of violent personal crimes, such as assault and robbery.

Older black people, who were raised in an era when there was far greater discrimination and who faced far fewer opportunities, need to speak out against behavior and excuses that their parents would have never accepted. Otherwise, the race hustlers, poverty pimps and white liberals will continue with the narrative that black problems are a result of racism and racist cops and condemn future generations of blacks to a lifetime of mediocrity.

Thank you for putting this in the face of Democrats here. I'm betting they stopped reading after a few sentences. They live in a world of fantasy.

 

[Wildman]

You are welcome to filter it any way you like.

Doesn't mean that it's not broadly operative within the nation at-large, however.

If you see a statistical basis for disputing my assertions that...

1. White Folk now oftentimes perceive that 50 years of 'leg-up' special advantage is enough

...and...

2. Donor (Taxpayer) Exhaustion is setting in, in connection with Quota-based programming...

...then, by all means, have at it.

Oh, and, by the way...

A couple of assertions about racial disparity and remediation - that do not jibe with your own - are hardly a 'social philosophy'.

Spare me the histrionics, eh?

And yet so called conservatives never offer any tangible solutions, they like to characterize the problem.....but they have no idea what to do about it beyond the most generic, vague terms possible.

It it not necessary to have a solution, before deciding to complain, is it?

If something has been dragging-on for a half-century and if the rest of the country is getting tired of it, that's enough, isn't it?

As to a 'solution'... well... the solution would be to end such quota-based programming, I expect.

What comes after is then entirely up to the former beneficiaries of such largess.

We've heard plenty of complaining for a long time now. When do we start hearing about some actual solutions from the political right? They can only point fingers because what ever solutions they theorize only amount to social engineering from a Darwinian perspective.

The 50 years of Leg-Up WERE the supposed social engineering solution.

Either the Leg-Up worked, or it didn't.

But it was never meant to last forever.

And, now, after 50 years, it's time to put the quota system to bed.

Ready or not.

Again, vague generalities we've all heard a million times with no actual solutions in mind.

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you want a solution ? cut off all financial aid to all able bodied persons, druggies and illegals, return the S.S. system to it's original intent, stop all excessive long term unemployment bennies, actively and physically remove ALL illegals from my country.

is that a good enough fucking solution for you ?? or would you like me to take it one step further ??

 

[AvgGuyIA]

And exactly where did the Carpetbaggers come from? It wasn't from the GOP Jesusland of today.

Keep digging.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And exactly where did the Carpetbaggers come from? It wasn't from the GOP Jesusland of today.

Keep digging.

I don't have to. You are the one who wants to claim Lincoln while flying the Confederate flag that he went to war to defeat, and you never bother to see the contradiction. The South changed parties, that's all. You scream but the Dems used to be racist, without bothering to mention that those same people and states now vote GOP.

Come on GOP voters, tell us all how great Lincoln was for going to war against the South? That's the legacy of your party remember.

 

[Kondor3]

...Again, vague generalities we've all heard a million times with no actual solutions in mind.

Yes and No.

The 'yes' you already covered.

The 'No', as follows...

1. Stating that Donor (Taxpayer) Exhaustion has set-in after 50 years of quota-based government hiring and college admissions, etc., is quite specific.

2. Proposing an end to the quota system after 50 years is also quite specific, and an actual solution to the problem of Donor (Taxpayer) Exhaustion.

It does nothing for your issue (perpetuating artificial advantages for minorities), but it does a great deal for White Folk - taking an onerous burden from their shoulders.

From that perspective, it's quite specific and contains a long-overdue and highly desirable solution.

Your side of the issue is not the only side.

And, after 50 years of quotas, it seems likely that the time has come, for the other side to stop carrying the water.

Time for the beneficiaries of the 50-year-old quota system to stand on their own feet now, rather than on the backs of the rest of the population.

One must wean the babe from the teat at some point.

Even though the babe doesn't think it's ready for that weaning.

Fifty years is a long time for a teat to have to hold-up under the strain.

It seems likely that Weaning Time is near.

Quite possibly, as early as January 20, 2017.

 

[Vigilante]

It is amazing the posters you find to post. Here's the proof that democrats are the party of white superiority and these libs still deny it.

You seem to be hung up on the party that was racist, instead of the party that is racist. Why is that, and who does this sound like now? It ain't the Dems.

Any party that makes an ethnic group subservient to a political party for a portion of it not willing to work, and keeps promoting the division of races as the Socialist Democrats do, is, in essence, promoting slavery... Apparently YOU are one of the enslaved!

 

[Pogo]

...Civil rights was enacted 50 years ago......that means after centuries of oppression they've been treated like real citizens for almost half a century...

Half a century is enough of a leg-up for anybody.

If you're talking about, say, passing a law that says you can't be denied the franchise or use of a public water fountain, sure.

If you're talking about shifting an entire culture that's been brewed for four hundred years...... not so much.

You don't shift a culture by forcing its majority to forego its own opportunities generation after generation for the sake of compensating for past wrongs.

Not unless you want underlying pressures to build to such a point that an explosion by that majority eventually occurs.

We're not talking about shifting an entire culture, anyway.

The culture is just fine the way it is.

We're merely talking about leveling the playing field for a while until a larger percentage of the minority have had a chance to get past old barriers.

Well, we've had fifty years of that, now.

Play-time's over.

When you say "fifty years" I count back and get 1964 and assume you mean the CRA. But then from what you describe of "quotas" it sounds like you're actually talking about AA, which isn't yet 50. Not sure where you're coming from here.

 

[Pogo]

Where is the GOP support today? In the South. Where did they vote to keep the ******* down, including against the Civil Rights acts, in the South. Carry on boys.

Democrats. Explain Jimmy Carters support in the South. You are afraid to answer that.

The South is a culture. Carter is part of it and speaks the language. Voting for a "favorite son" is common. That's why his home state of Georgia voted for him in 1980 when the rest of the South went with Reagan.

. Carter lost the South in 1980 because he proved himself incompetent and the only way to remove hi was voting republican.

Then what's all this bullshit about "explain Jimmy Carter's support in the South"?

Having it both ways: Priceless.

It's not having it both ways. Libs claim the South turned republican because of the civil rights vote. They went for Carter, a Democrat plantation owner, in 1976, so that blows your claim. As for the 1980 election, Carter proved to be incompetent and lost the south to Reagan.

Of course it is. First you're whining "explain Carter's support in the South" and in the next breath explaining why he didn't have any.

Duh?

The South DID turn Republican. Check a frickin' map. Even in the early daze of that sea change, it took a Southerner to buck the trend, and he still couldn't keep it up for two elections. 1980 was Reagan, who openly appealed to that constituency, literally kicking off his campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi talking "states rights", which was already a code word for racism.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

It's not my opinion, it's math. Your party is racist, and they know it. The racists vote for you and the honest ones will call them stupid lazy violent ******* which is exactly what you believe.

You heard it here first folks, I hate my half black nieces, who I teach piano to. They are violent, lazy stupid n's!

 

[Kondor3]

...Civil rights was enacted 50 years ago......that means after centuries of oppression they've been treated like real citizens for almost half a century...

Half a century is enough of a leg-up for anybody.

If you're talking about, say, passing a law that says you can't be denied the franchise or use of a public water fountain, sure.

If you're talking about shifting an entire culture that's been brewed for four hundred years...... not so much.

You don't shift a culture by forcing its majority to forego its own opportunities generation after generation for the sake of compensating for past wrongs.

Not unless you want underlying pressures to build to such a point that an explosion by that majority eventually occurs.

We're not talking about shifting an entire culture, anyway.

The culture is just fine the way it is.

We're merely talking about leveling the playing field for a while until a larger percentage of the minority have had a chance to get past old barriers.

Well, we've had fifty years of that, now.

Play-time's over.

When you say "fifty years" I count back and get 1964 and assume you mean the CRA. But then from what you describe of "quotas" it sounds like you're actually talking about AA, which isn't yet 50. Not sure where you're coming from here.

AA has been on the books via Executive Order since JFK's time and expanded in the same fashion during LBJ's tenure.

If measured from JFK's time then it's actually more than 50 but... plus or minutes 3 or 4 years... rounding up and down... close enough for government work... 50 it is.

 

[Pogo]

...Civil rights was enacted 50 years ago......that means after centuries of oppression they've been treated like real citizens for almost half a century...

Half a century is enough of a leg-up for anybody.

If you're talking about, say, passing a law that says you can't be denied the franchise or use of a public water fountain, sure.

If you're talking about shifting an entire culture that's been brewed for four hundred years...... not so much.

You don't shift a culture by forcing its majority to forego its own opportunities generation after generation for the sake of compensating for past wrongs.

Not unless you want underlying pressures to build to such a point that an explosion by that majority eventually occurs.

We're not talking about shifting an entire culture, anyway.

The culture is just fine the way it is.

We're merely talking about leveling the playing field for a while until a larger percentage of the minority have had a chance to get past old barriers.

Well, we've had fifty years of that, now.

Play-time's over.

When you say "fifty years" I count back and get 1964 and assume you mean the CRA. But then from what you describe of "quotas" it sounds like you're actually talking about AA, which isn't yet 50. Not sure where you're coming from here.

AA has been on the books via Executive Order since JFK's time and expanded in the same fashion during LBJ's tenure.

If measured from JFK's time then it's actually more than 50 but... plus or minutes 3 or 4 years... rounding up and down... close enough for government work... 50 it is.

Philadelphia Plan, 1969. As near as any beginning can be pinned down anyway.

 

[gipper]

There is terrible dysfunction in black America. By nearly every societal measurement, blacks have regressed dramatically SINCE the Great Society programs were instituted. Is this not proof enough that the Great Society has been a complete failure? Yet nothing is done by the powers that be to rectify it and those who speak out, are automatically labelled racists...thus shutting down any efforts at reform.

One could conclude the political class and the power elite want the dysfunction to continue. Even America's first black president refuses to support any reforms and even overturned Clinton's modest efforts at reforming welfare.

 

[ClosedCaption]

...Civil rights was enacted 50 years ago......that means after centuries of oppression they've been treated like real citizens for almost half a century...

Half a century is enough of a leg-up for anybody.

...White folks in this country have so much to be proud of...

Indeed, they do.

...and yet so many reasons to be angry at black folks.

Not really.

It's just that Donor Exhaustion is setting-in after half a century, and it's getting close to time to pull the plug on some of the past half-century's advantage-leveraging schemes.

This almost sounds like a reasonable version of Rush Limbaugh's usual racist tirade.

What part(s) do you object to?

That half-a-century is enough of a leg up?

Or that Donor Exhaustion is quickly setting-in, within the broader White community?

50 years is enough huh? Of course it is. Hell anything is enough to those who are on the other side of the fence. Shhhiiiieet but bring up slavery and watch how quick white people remind you they were slaves too. Suddenly how long ago doesnt matter anymore.

 

[Pogo]

...Civil rights was enacted 50 years ago......that means after centuries of oppression they've been treated like real citizens for almost half a century...

Half a century is enough of a leg-up for anybody.

...White folks in this country have so much to be proud of...

Indeed, they do.

...and yet so many reasons to be angry at black folks.

Not really.

It's just that Donor Exhaustion is setting-in after half a century, and it's getting close to time to pull the plug on some of the past half-century's advantage-leveraging schemes.

This almost sounds like a reasonable version of Rush Limbaugh's usual racist tirade.

What part(s) do you object to?

That half-a-century is enough of a leg up?

Or that Donor Exhaustion is quickly setting-in, within the broader White community?

50 years is enough huh? Of course it is. Hell anything is enough to those who are on the other side of the fence. Shhhiiiieet but bring up slavery and watch how quick white people remind you they were slaves too. Suddenly how long ago doesnt matter anymore.

He's conflating historical legislation with historical culture building. Just ain't that simple. And certainly not an analysis that lends itself to conveniently quantifiable terms.

 

[Carib Gyal]

At the same time black America decries white institutional racism in white America, black America begs white America to continue with the very policies that have caused their oppression.

Excellent.

 

[Pogo]

At the same time black America decries white institutional racism in white America, black America begs white America to continue with the very policies that have caused their oppression.

Excellent.

Really. "Black America" is homogenous then? What do they have, an official unanimous press secretary?

Ya learn sump'm here every day. But then the day's still young.

 

[Carib Gyal]

At the same time black America decries white institutional racism in white America, black America begs white America to continue with the very policies that have caused their oppression.

Excellent.

Really. "Black America" is homogenous then?

Ya learn sump'm here every day. But then the day's still young.

No! Just 90+%.

And let me rephrase. The policies haven't caused the oppression, merely contributed.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

We really need a Fix The ******* thread. Then you can all post your brilliant suggestions, most of which will completely ignore reality.

 

[Unkotare]

I hate stupid Americans because they're stupid. It sort of explains itself.

It explains your self-loathing as well.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

At the same time black America decries white institutional racism in white America, black America begs white America to continue with the very policies that have caused their oppression.

Excellent.

Really. "Black America" is homogenous then? What do they have, an official unanimous press secretary?

Ya learn sump'm here every day. But then the day's still young.

Al Shartpon seems to refer to black america all the time, ask him.