Perspective: How It All Happened

[noose4]

1. For a full century after the Civil War, the Democrat Party was correctly identified as the party of slavery and segregation. In fact.....they killed every anti-lynching bill that made its way to the Senate. Democrats.

Then, the party saw the light...or at least saw a method to make itself supreme: don the mantle of civil rights. But not via an apology and admission of its dark past, but, controlling the schools and the media allowed it to blow smoke, and pretend that it had always been such.





2. The agenda, the ladder to the top, had very specific rungs: in the 1960's, they told America that black people could not control their own economic destiny due to centuries of racism and segregation. Of course, the trick was not mentioning that they were the racists and segregationists.

a. "Despite frequent assertions to the contrary, many seemingly intractable problems encountered by a significant number of black Americans do not result from racial discrimination, but rather from the policies, regulations, and restrictions emanating from federal, state, and local government. The free market and the profit motive, far from enemies to blacks, have been their friends. The real threat are the coercive powers of government, used to stifle market competition. They are the limitations on black socioeconomic progress, not racial discrimination."
“Race & Economics,” by Walter E. Williams, chapter one.

b. " Then there is the mistaken belief that the rise of blacks from poverty into middle class occupations can be traced from some time after the 60’s civil rights movement and government actions, when, in reality, the most dramatic improvements occurred in the to decades prior to the 60’s!"
Thomas Sowell, "Economic Facts and Fallacies," chapter eight.





3. Next, the nation 'learned' that white Americans could only "atone for the sins of slavery and segregation through support of poverty programs and by the redistribution of their wealth via taxation. Black Americans were told that greed was the reason wealthy whites prospered ad that those wealthy whites were to blame for economic barriers that stopped blacks from obtaining success. Anyone who disagreed was labeled a bigot." Star Parker, "Uncle Sam's Plantation," p. 74.

And lots of good-hearted Americans bought it like it was on sale!





4. Once the poor bought into these ideas, which, one must admit, are very attractive: "it's not your fault, and you're not responsible for taking any actions..." then the social engineers of the Left were able to take control housing, schooling, childcare, healthcare, abortion, and...coming soon: euthanasia. Via this step in the agenda, Leftism came to be seen as the new religion, called statism....or Liberalism.

a. Don't think that religion itself hasn't played a role!
"In the early Twenties the Communist Party made considerable gains in its program to infiltrate the mainline Protestant churches. This effort was led by such prominent "American" clergymen as Harry F. Ward ( "one of the leading collaborators of, and apologists for, the Soviet Union." ...), Jerome Davis, William B. Spofford, and Albert Rhys Williams. at the 1942 convention of the Federal Council of Churches called for: Ultimately, "a world government of delegated powers." Complete abandonment of U.S. isolationism. Strong immediate limitations on national sovereignty. International control of all armies and navies. A universal system of money.... Worldwide freedom of immigration. Progressive elimination of all tariff and quota restrictions on world trade .... A "democratically controlled" international bank ....
APOSTASY -- The National Council Of Churches






5. Well, it's been a great ride while it lasted, the first hundred years makes for inspiring reading....but the recent hundred represents a cautionary tale...for whom? I really don't know.

Perhaps some future folks will look back and recognize the flaws in human nature that always seem to lead people to be envious, to be lazy, to want someone else to take care of them, and are willing to rationalize whatever they want as something they need. Then again, the warnings were there this time, and no one paid heed to Alexis de Tocqueville when he predicted what we would become, almost 200 years ago.



So....start accumulating mementos of the late, great United States of America....your great-grand-kids may be able to hawk 'em on some future Ebay....

One should not cut and paste crazy articles from sources that dont even know the name of the Democratic Party, they are not credible sources, and many things change over a hundred years, read about the positions Republican Presidents like Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt took and you will see they were opposite of what today's Republican Party stands for.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC, it is not a matter of belief. Since the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964 the Republicans began to win more and more in the South and today it is their stronghold.

The south voted democratic at all levels for the next one hundred years. In 1948 Strom Thurmond, a Democratic Senator from South Carolina, ran for president as a "Dixiecrat" after disagreeing with Truman over civil rights. Truman won anyway, despite Thurmond's dividing the Democratic vote. This let the Democrats know they could win without southern votes. Then in the 60s Democrats Kennedy and Johnson angered the south by forcing desegregation and civil rights on the south (ignoring identical problems in the north), and the south turned Republican, joining the "party of Lincoln". Ideologically the parties had traded places in the century since the Civil War.

The voting patterns of the southern states after the civil war was nicknamed

I have a question:
Now, what would/should the conclusion about your knowledge, your sources, your indoctrination be.....

....if I show that you are wrong?


Would it prove that you have been....misled?
And, if so.....about how many other of your deeply held beliefs would that pertain?


1. First of all, the Democrats didn’t pass the Civil Rights Bill of 1964. That bill, along with every civil rights bill for the preceding century, was supported by substantially more Republicans than Democrats.


2. Second, the South kept voting for Democrats for decades after that 1964 act. And, btw, Democrats continued to win a plurality of votes in southern congressional elections for the next 30 years…right up to 1994.
"GOP Poised to Reap Redistricting Rewards" by Michael Barone on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent


a. Between ’48 and ’88, Republicans never won a majority of the Dixiecrat states, outside of two 49-state landslides. Any loses in the South are directly attributable to their championing abortion, gays in the military, Christian-bashing, springing criminals, attacks on guns, dovish foreign policy, ‘save the whales/kill the humans environmentalism….certainly not race!

a. Rather than the Republicans winning the Dixiecrat vote, the Dixiecrats simply died out. By contrast, Democrats kept winning the alleged “segregationist” states into the ‘90’s. If states were voting for Goldwater out of racism, what of Carter’s 1976 sweep of all the Goldwater states?
Coulter, "Mugged"




Care to answer my question?

Most of the Southern democrats voted against the Civil Right act and were not tossed by their constituents. However over time they retired and were replaced by Republicans. The Southern States have become a Republican stronghold.

1. Is factually incorrect. In the House the vote was 152 Democrats for and 138 Republicans for. IN the Senate it was 46 Dems for and 27 Reps for. AS I stated earlier it was a North V South thing, again.

You should be proud of the Republicans Southern strategy.

Let's explore that:

1. “In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to the Republican Party strategy of winning elections or to gain political support in the Southern section of the country by appealing to racism against African Americans….he strategy was first adopted under future Republican President Richard Nixon and Republican Senator Barry Goldwater[6] in the late 1960s.”
Southern strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. According to this liberal myth, Goldwater and the Republicans were racists and used racism to appeal to racist southerners to change the electoral map. To believe the tale, one must be either a reliable Democrat voter, and/or be ignorant of the history of the time.

3. Goldwater was one of only six Republican senators to vote against the 1964 act. He did so on libertarian grounds, opposed to the act’s restrictions on private property which he believed beyond the Congress’s powers under the commerce clause. Five others supported the party’s presidential nominee.

a. Goldwater went on to win five southern states in 1964: Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. But he lost eight.

b. Democrats build the ‘southern strategy’ tale on the fact that the same states voted for ‘Dixiecrat’ Strom Thurmond in 1948 (less Georgia).

c. Except that Nixon and Reagan lost, or almost lost the same states in ’68 and ’80…

d. And Jimmy Carter and Clinton did pretty well in those states in ’76 and ’92.



e. And the Goldwater states went right back to voting Democrat for decades…




4. So…if Republicans were racists and got racist southerners to vote for them, how to explain this: Republicans always did best in the southern states that Goldwater lost, which happened to be the same ones Republicans had been winning with some regularity since 1928.

a. In ’28, ’52, ’56, and ’60, Republicans generally won Virginia, Florida, Texas, Kentucky and sometimes North Carolina or Louisiana. Did you notice that those years were before 1964?

b. Four years after Goldwater, the segregationist vote went right back to Democrats: Humphrey got half of Wallace’s supporters on election day. Nixon got none of ‘em. “When the '68 campaign began, Nixon was at 42 percent, Humphrey at 29 percent, Wallace at 22 percent. When it ended, Nixon and Humphrey were tied at 43 percent, with Wallace at 13 percent. The 9 percent of the national vote that had been peeled off from Wallace had gone to Humphrey.” The neocons & Nixon's southern strategy - Pat Buchanan - Page 1


c. In ’76, Carter swept the South. Was Carter appealing to bigots….or is that only the case when Republicans win the South?





5. Reagan lost or barely won the Goldwater states…but Reagan won among young southern voters- but lost among seniors, those who has voted in ’48 and ’64. That meant that the segregationists never abandoned the Democrats: eventually they died or were outvoted by younger voters. Nope…after Thurmond’s run, the Dixiecrats went right back to voting for Democrats for another half century.





What could be stronger evidence of your error than the fact that Jakal agrees with you?


Now....how about answering my question about you being 'misled.'

 

[Foxfyre]

*”These Negroes, they‘re getting pretty uppity these days and that‘s a problem for us since they‘ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we‘ve got to do something about this, we‘ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”


“I’ll have them ******* voting Democratic for the next two hundred years.”
~Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat)


Vote totals[edit]
Totals are in "Yea–Nay" format:
The original House version: 290–130 (69–31%).
Cloture in the Senate: 71–29 (71–29%).
The Senate version: 73–27 (73–27%).
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126 (70–30%).
By party
The original House version:[16]
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[17]
Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
The Senate version:[16]
Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[16]
Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)
By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And even those numbers tell only a fraction of the story. Some Republicans who voted against did so not because they opposed the concept, but because they could not agree to some provisions of the act that they thought to be particularly dangerous or destructive. Sadly, their perception has often turned out to be right. And some Democrats who were against it were against it for the same reasons.

But the fact is, the act has had its good points and bad points. But as Thomas Sowell has pointed out again and again, it is a serious misconception to point to the Civil Rights Act as the reason black people have succeeded. They were succeeding much more rapidly without government help. And if government had eliminated the legal barriers such as segregation and then left it alone, they would have continued to do so. It is excessive government meddling that has slowed down their progress and completely stopped in within large groups. And that is tragic.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Thread after thread she posts contain attacks on the most fundamental of American values and institutions. Learn to read.

Which American values do you speak of?
Or, is it your liberal views that she attacks, Carb?
Learn to differentiate between the two.

My liberal views are mainstream American values. I hold very few views that are not supported by a majority or a plurality of Americans.

You hold views that half of America holds. And wait, did you not tell me once before that you were an Independent? For fucks sake, Carbine, you prove how easy it is for liberals to tell a lie, and how hard it is for them to practice honesty. I love how some view you hold is purely because it is "mainstream" and not for want of it being something you believe in. You're like the kids I went to school with in elementary and middle school. Tommy Hilfiger and Abercrombie & Fitch were all the rage. A year later that was no more, as LL Bean backpacks took over.

C'mon Carbine, you are as disingenuous as a dog looking for an opening to pull a steak off the dinner table.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Which American values do you speak of?
Or, is it your liberal views that she attacks, Carb?
Learn to differentiate between the two.

My liberal views are mainstream American values. I hold very few views that are not supported by a majority or a plurality of Americans.

Yeah...sure, whatever you say, Carb.

Okay, then name a position you know that I hold on an issue that is not supported as I stated above, if you can,

and I'll counter with one that is supported,

and we'll see who runs out of issues first.

Either that or shut the fuck up your stupidity is as always a torment.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. For a full century after the Civil War, the Democrat Party was correctly identified as the party of slavery and segregation. In fact.....they killed every anti-lynching bill that made its way to the Senate. Democrats.

Then, the party saw the light...or at least saw a method to make itself supreme: don the mantle of civil rights. But not via an apology and admission of its dark past, but, controlling the schools and the media allowed it to blow smoke, and pretend that it had always been such.





2. The agenda, the ladder to the top, had very specific rungs: in the 1960's, they told America that black people could not control their own economic destiny due to centuries of racism and segregation. Of course, the trick was not mentioning that they were the racists and segregationists.

a. "Despite frequent assertions to the contrary, many seemingly intractable problems encountered by a significant number of black Americans do not result from racial discrimination, but rather from the policies, regulations, and restrictions emanating from federal, state, and local government. The free market and the profit motive, far from enemies to blacks, have been their friends. The real threat are the coercive powers of government, used to stifle market competition. They are the limitations on black socioeconomic progress, not racial discrimination."
“Race & Economics,” by Walter E. Williams, chapter one.

b. " Then there is the mistaken belief that the rise of blacks from poverty into middle class occupations can be traced from some time after the 60’s civil rights movement and government actions, when, in reality, the most dramatic improvements occurred in the to decades prior to the 60’s!"
Thomas Sowell, "Economic Facts and Fallacies," chapter eight.





3. Next, the nation 'learned' that white Americans could only "atone for the sins of slavery and segregation through support of poverty programs and by the redistribution of their wealth via taxation. Black Americans were told that greed was the reason wealthy whites prospered ad that those wealthy whites were to blame for economic barriers that stopped blacks from obtaining success. Anyone who disagreed was labeled a bigot." Star Parker, "Uncle Sam's Plantation," p. 74.

And lots of good-hearted Americans bought it like it was on sale!





4. Once the poor bought into these ideas, which, one must admit, are very attractive: "it's not your fault, and you're not responsible for taking any actions..." then the social engineers of the Left were able to take control housing, schooling, childcare, healthcare, abortion, and...coming soon: euthanasia. Via this step in the agenda, Leftism came to be seen as the new religion, called statism....or Liberalism.

a. Don't think that religion itself hasn't played a role!
"In the early Twenties the Communist Party made considerable gains in its program to infiltrate the mainline Protestant churches. This effort was led by such prominent "American" clergymen as Harry F. Ward ( "one of the leading collaborators of, and apologists for, the Soviet Union." ...), Jerome Davis, William B. Spofford, and Albert Rhys Williams. at the 1942 convention of the Federal Council of Churches called for: Ultimately, "a world government of delegated powers." Complete abandonment of U.S. isolationism. Strong immediate limitations on national sovereignty. International control of all armies and navies. A universal system of money.... Worldwide freedom of immigration. Progressive elimination of all tariff and quota restrictions on world trade .... A "democratically controlled" international bank ....
APOSTASY -- The National Council Of Churches






5. Well, it's been a great ride while it lasted, the first hundred years makes for inspiring reading....but the recent hundred represents a cautionary tale...for whom? I really don't know.

Perhaps some future folks will look back and recognize the flaws in human nature that always seem to lead people to be envious, to be lazy, to want someone else to take care of them, and are willing to rationalize whatever they want as something they need. Then again, the warnings were there this time, and no one paid heed to Alexis de Tocqueville when he predicted what we would become, almost 200 years ago.



So....start accumulating mementos of the late, great United States of America....your great-grand-kids may be able to hawk 'em on some future Ebay....

One should not cut and paste crazy articles from sources that dont even know the name of the Democratic Party, they are not credible sources, and many things change over a hundred years, read about the positions Republican Presidents like Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt took and you will see they were opposite of what today's Republican Party stands for.

You would be well advised to stick to things you actually know about....like favorite Crayola, and the schedule of the 24-hour Cartoon Network.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Which American values do you speak of?
Or, is it your liberal views that she attacks, Carb?
Learn to differentiate between the two.

My liberal views are mainstream American values. I hold very few views that are not supported by a majority or a plurality of Americans.

You hold views that half of America holds. And wait, did you not tell me once before that you were an Independent? For fucks sake, Carbine, you prove how easy it is for liberals to tell a lie, and how hard it is for them to practice honesty. I love how some view you hold is purely because it is "mainstream" and not for want of it being something you believe in. You're like the kids I went to school with in elementary and middle school. Tommy Hilfiger and Abercrombie & Fitch were all the rage. A year later that was no more, as LL Bean backpacks took over.

C'mon Carbine, you are as disingenuous as a dog looking for an opening to pull a steak off the dinner table.

Where did you ever get the idea that an Independent can't be a liberal? Were you homeschooled, or just born retarded?

 

[JakeStarkey]

We have just had three reactionaries make posts from views that are looking through a glass darkly.

If they will not be objective in evidence and follow critical thinking toward where that evidence leads, their types will destroy the GOP, or it will toss them out.

They cannot change the mainstream of the GOP, because it knows better.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You would be well advised to stick to things you actually know about....like favorite Crayola, and the schedule of the 24-hour Cartoon Network.

That moronic remark is what we are getting from the far right and reactionary wings today.

 

[Foxfyre]

The Civil Rights bill was passed with a coalition of Northern Republicans and Northern Democrats. They defeated the coalition of Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans. The southern population of course blamed President Johnson, a Democrat, and soon began voting for Republicans. Which is ironic because a hundred years ago the southern population was hell bent on killing as many Republicans activist (giving Blacks voting rights) as possible.

The most damning quote Lyndon Johnson ever uttered was this one:

"I'll have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years!"

So I doubt your explanation holds any weight as you believe it does. Trying to blame Republicans for this is a futile effort.

Republicans are a party. Conservatism is an ideology. It was from the ideology of conservatism that the Civil Rights Act was opposed.

You will have to provide something to back this up with. Otherwise I call bullshit since conservatism is the ideology of freedom unrestrained by overreaching government. Freedom is not giving lip service and then doing your damndest to direct and control and keep those you 'freed' on some ideological plantation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That is merely your definition, Foxfyre; what you are reaching for is "classical liberalism" and today's conservatism and liberalism are not that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

From the dark days portrayed in the Opening Post, moving ahead 50 years to the present day:

"Those goddam darkies are destroying America! They must be stopped! Vote GOP."

Every one of PC's posts are about blacks and how stupid they are if they don't vote GOP. It's a winning message yanno

Help me with this....


Are you genuinely stupid....or as dishonest as Jakal?


Which is it?


My suspicion is the former.....as the three renown individuals quoted in the OP are intellectual, conservative, respected, black Americans.

Kinda sticks a thumb in your eye, huh?


If you can't laugh at yourself, I'll be glad to do so for you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

as I prove you wrong- as I did this morn

Mindless chattering from a squirrel.

Go on and gather your rotten fruit.

 

[Meister]

*”These Negroes, they‘re getting pretty uppity these days and that‘s a problem for us since they‘ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we‘ve got to do something about this, we‘ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”


“I’ll have them ******* voting Democratic for the next two hundred years.”
~Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat)


Vote totals[edit]
Totals are in "Yea–Nay" format:
The original House version: 290–130 (69–31%).
Cloture in the Senate: 71–29 (71–29%).
The Senate version: 73–27 (73–27%).
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126 (70–30%).
By party
The original House version:[16]
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[17]
Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
The Senate version:[16]
Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[16]
Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)
By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)


Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you for reaffirming that the vote was Northern and Western Dem and Pub against Southern Dem and Pubs.

Oh, it's too bad you can't really document in a LBJ primary source that he ever said that.

Yup, there was 1 southern republican senator and 10 southern republican house members total voting.

 

[JakeStarkey]

*”These Negroes, they‘re getting pretty uppity these days and that‘s a problem for us since they‘ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we‘ve got to do something about this, we‘ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”


“I’ll have them ******* voting Democratic for the next two hundred years.”
~Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat)


Vote totals[edit]
Totals are in "Yea–Nay" format:
The original House version: 290–130 (69–31%).
Cloture in the Senate: 71–29 (71–29%).
The Senate version: 73–27 (73–27%).
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126 (70–30%).
By party
The original House version:[16]
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[17]
Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
The Senate version:[16]
Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[16]
Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)
By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)


Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you for reaffirming that the vote was Northern and Western Dem and Pub against Southern Dem and Pubs.

Oh, it's too bad you can't really document in a LBJ primary source that he ever said that.

Yup, there was 1 southern republican senator and 10 southern republican house members total voting.

And all eleven voted against it.

 

[Meister]

My liberal views are mainstream American values. I hold very few views that are not supported by a majority or a plurality of Americans.

Yeah...sure, whatever you say, Carb.

Okay, then name a position you know that I hold on an issue that is not supported as I stated above, if you can,

and I'll counter with one that is supported,

and we'll see who runs out of issues first.

Either that or shut the fuck up your stupidity is as always a torment.

Embrace your ideology, Carb....just admit to it, dude.
What's with the name calling, did I hit a nerve?

 

[ClosedCaption]

From the dark days portrayed in the Opening Post, moving ahead 50 years to the present day:

"Those goddam darkies are destroying America! They must be stopped! Vote GOP."

Every one of PC's posts are about blacks and how stupid they are if they don't vote GOP. It's a winning message yanno

Help me with this....


Are you genuinely stupid....or as dishonest as Jakal?


Which is it?


My suspicion is the former.....as the three renown individuals quoted in the OP are intellectual, conservative, respected, black Americans.

Kinda sticks a thumb in your eye, huh?


If you can't laugh at yourself, I'll be glad to do so for you.

Oh man, your na na na boo boo style post has convinced me that what I said was untrue after you posted that mountain of evidence /sarcasm

Like I said the ONLY time your name shows up on the board is another complaint about blacks being sooooo stupid because they don't vote GOP. Those that do vote GOP you hold them up as Mensa members strickly from the way they vote.

Good job!

 

[bendog]

Well, whether LBJ said it or not, he met MLK jr like a man. I believe Reagan used the word too. Time and context change meaning.

Moreover, the southern dems of 48-68 were firm new dealers, so I'm not clear on what you mean by ideologically conservative. they were populists, first and foremost.

I don't think the civil rights acts were in America's best interests. what I tried to convey with my post on the modern Miss gop party is that it's roots are rather idealistic, assuming one can find Goldwater an idealist. The Klan never had the backing of the econ elite. By 1960, the writing was on the wall for segregation. Or possibly would have been. Nobody can stay in biz near a military base if they have any racist intent. Conversely, we have political districts that are determined solely upon race, and the schools are more segregated now than in 1960. If anyone thinks civil rights worked, I got a patch of mud in Tunica county ....

 

[Meister]

Thank you for reaffirming that the vote was Northern and Western Dem and Pub against Southern Dem and Pubs.

Oh, it's too bad you can't really document in a LBJ primary source that he ever said that.

Yup, there was 1 southern republican senator and 10 southern republican house members total voting.

And all eleven voted against it.

Yup, but I wouldn't call it a north, west, south thing with just 11 total votes out of the entire senate and congress. just sayin.....

 

[NYcarbineer]

[e. And the Goldwater states went right back to voting Democrat for decades…

'

Wrong. For example:

Goldwater won Mississippi -

in the next 6 presidential elections MS went Independent (Wallace), Republican, Democratic, Republican, Republican, Republican.

Now, which Goldwater states were you referring to when you erroneously included Mississippi?

lol