Trump's assault on free speech - agree with him or else!

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Getting someone fired. Ruining someone's career. "Hate Speech" laws.

I really had to say that?
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Getting someone fired? Ruining someone's career? What the hell are you talking about?

On one hand...you are disavowing the government's restriction of hate speech through interpretation of law (designed for public peace).....but, on the other had you don't care about Trump restriction of free speech by limiting some Press members' access to information (designed to accommodate one political party). Again....a complete double standard.

I have read Macs comments a few times and they have stated it is a idiotic move by Trump, so what more do you want?

Mac did point out the fact you enjoy restricting another person right while using the government to do so by passing " Hate Speech " laws and yet hate when Trump act like you.

Yes, I do believe if you had the same position in life as Trump you would abuse your power and restrict the press to those that would support your political view.

Remember Obama and his admin. battle with Fox News?

Of course you do and yet you did not see any assault on the Free Press did you?

In the end you have been attacking Mac for stating the obvious about you and that is those like you believe in Free Speech as long as you agree with it but let someone like Fox News say something different, well then use everything you can to stifle the difference of opinion...

Lead by example before telling others not to act like you and Trump is not the first President to act like the Free Press is his enemy...

It's why I don't burn a lot of energy with online zealots. They "see" only what they want to "see", they'll completely fabricate your words, they just make it up as they go.

The Regressive Left pretends they support freedom of expression, but it's clear they only support the speech they like. They're not liberal, they're illiberal authoritarians.

A real liberal supports and defends speech whether they agree with it or not.
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The OP'er refuses to accept they support suppression of speech and want you and I to believe they are liberal minded when even Stalin was mire liberal than most of them when it come to sppech... ( For those that get confuse Stalin would have you shot for what you said, so no he was not liberal at all... )

Many on the left complain daily about Trump words, abuses and nonsense but they ignored Obama treatment of the Fee Press and even supported his view about Fox News...

So I agree with you that before they lecture the right maybe they should review their past first and clean their mess up, but alas neither side can do this and that is why you and I sit here wondering how the hell do they not see their own hypocrisy?

Well, I think it's a function of the affliction of ideology. I'm more convinced than ever that ideology distorts - and I mean this literally - both perceptions (what we intake) and thought processes (how we analyze what we intake).

So when an ideologue appears to "not see" something, I think it's entirely possible that they really don't. It's possible that their ideology is essentially blinding them to it, no matter how obvious it may be.

So here's the part that concerns me the most: That means that they're not lying and know it, they're not being insincere, they're not playing games. This is their reality. I don't know how to communicate with someone like that. Either side.
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When George W. Bush was President the left would explain to me how Bush was lying all the time and I would explain to them maybe his lies are his reality and they could never understnd that.

The left and right believe everything they see to be true to be factual and if you propose a different view that does not support their reality, well then it must be a lie.

Let take the Earth and for many gemerations Humans believed it was flat and the Sun revolved around it, now that was humanity reality until proven wrong, so now you remember that and apply that mindset to today thinking and realize many still believe like those people in the past while reality tell them differently...

They scream about Trump and his nonsense but sat silently when Obama was playing the race bait game while using the color of his skin to allow his supporters to scream racism and silence every critic against them, well attempt to and what happen?

Yes, Trump and now they hate the trolling and nonsense he does.

You would believe they would learn but alas they will never learn and why?

As you pointed out they do not live in our reality where both sides are wrong and just see the nonsense on the other side and not on theirs...

 

[Mac1958]

As you pointed out they do not live in our reality where both sides are wrong and just see the nonsense on the other side and not on theirs...

Yeah. The infection appears to be spreading, too.

I dunno. I'm just the kid in the cafeteria, trying to eat his lunch during a food fight.
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[JoeB131]

Not sure you are being honest here. lemme here ya say [and mean it] "hitler was secular not christian", ya know since you claim it doesn't matter shouldn't be a problem

I notice the selective editing...

Hitler never killed a single Jew personally. The guys who did, the ones who wore the Gott Mitt Uns belt buckles, were Christians...

Nothing in this country is more dangerously exploitive of racism and bigotry than Political correctness and anyone who can destroy every vestige of it will save this country...in the meantime I will have their back

Guy, whenever you guys whine about PC, it usually means, "I can't be a bigot in public anymore!" I'll put the same question I put to Stormy Mac when he claimed PC Police were out to get him.

What is it you want to say that you can't say? Come on, here you are, on a public forum, what horrible truth is it you want to say that you can't...

and yet it took a secular leader to figure out how to put it to use...and by the way, "bum" is politically incorrect, "artist" is the preferred PC term for the do nothing, contribute nothing, occupationless crowd.

Yes, I'm sure "Art" is one of those concepts you don't understand.

But to the point, Hitler was totally a Christian... and frankly, what he said wasn't out of line with Church teachings. Before Vatican II, the Church taught the Jews killed Jesus..

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Guy, whenever you guys whine about PC, it usually means, "I can't be a bigot in public anymore!" I'll put the same question I put to Stormy Mac when he claimed PC Police were out to get him.

and how many posts did it take you before you realized the discussion went sideways on you and you needed to play your race card?

What is it you want to say that you can't say? Come on, here you are, on a public forum, what horrible truth is it you want to say that you can't...

and the obligatory thinly disguised rant wanting to know what is so terrible about communism.

 

[Muhammed]

One thing we should ALL be in agreement on....the right for any of us to speak freely without repercussion from an oppressive government. The First Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Trump has been assaulting freedom of speech since he has been elected. Whether it was the assault on people based on religion (Muslims). Or, his open assaults on the free press and his threats to remove certain members' press credentials to the White House if he doesn't like what they say.
Trump Is Threatening to 'Take Away' Reporters' Credentials. He Told TIME He Wouldn't Do That

His latest swipe at the First Amendment involves removal of security clearances from Americans who have the audacity to stand up for what they believe in. Americans who served their country for decades are being silenced by a President who believes everyone should serve his interests...and NOT those of the country. I don't care what you think of the politics of guys like John Brennan, but, to have them silenced simply because they disagree with what the POTUS is doing? Who else will we allow Trump to silence?
Trump's Assault on the First Amendment
Targeting critics, Trump threatens ex-officials' security clearances

Where are the patriotic Republicans?! Seriously....how many times will Trump have to wipe his backside with the Constitution before you're going to care?

Trump hasn't silenced anybody, fuckin' jackass.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I notice the selective editing...

Hitler never killed a single Jew personally. The guys who did, the ones who wore the Gott Mitt Uns belt buckles, were Christians...

you have no problem pretending you know who the christians were but still cannot bring your self to admit openly that hitler was secular/atheist

 

[Dale Smith]

One thing we should ALL be in agreement on....the right for any of us to speak freely without repercussion from an oppressive government. The First Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Trump has been assaulting freedom of speech since he has been elected. Whether it was the assault on people based on religion (Muslims). Or, his open assaults on the free press and his threats to remove certain members' press credentials to the White House if he doesn't like what they say.
Trump Is Threatening to 'Take Away' Reporters' Credentials. He Told TIME He Wouldn't Do That

His latest swipe at the First Amendment involves removal of security clearances from Americans who have the audacity to stand up for what they believe in. Americans who served their country for decades are being silenced by a President who believes everyone should serve his interests...and NOT those of the country. I don't care what you think of the politics of guys like John Brennan, but, to have them silenced simply because they disagree with what the POTUS is doing? Who else will we allow Trump to silence?
Trump's Assault on the First Amendment
Targeting critics, Trump threatens ex-officials' security clearances

Where are the patriotic Republicans?! Seriously....how many times will Trump have to wipe his backside with the Constitution before you're going to care?

But yet Twitter and youtube are silencing the voices of conservatives and all I hear are the sounds of crickets. Oh, btw, I would have banned CNN from the WH press corp on day one. They are a fucking joke, just like the Washington Post and the New York Times which are nothing but lackeys for the CFR.

Brennan, Clapper, Hildebeast, Comey ,any and all Barrypuppet holdovers SHOULD lose their security clearances. These subversive traitorous POS will end up doing hard time if there is anything resembling justice left.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Yes, I'm sure "Art" is one of those concepts you don't understand.

lol...Q: is any cliche safe from the left?
A: not when the race card is neutralized...your problem is that no one is fooled by the word art/artist, can you give us your understanding of art?...didn't think so

But to the point, Hitler was totally a Christian... and frankly, what he said wasn't out of line with Church teachings. Before Vatican II, the Church taught the Jews killed Jesus..

totally? I knew those belt buckles were eating away at you, the above is exactly the kind of response needed when making a bogus allegation...bland and non-descript.
...it was "TOTALLY"[lol] secular governments that led to the bloodiest regimes of the 20th century..."totally" [lol]

 

[JBond]

One thing we should ALL be in agreement on....the right for any of us to speak freely without repercussion from an oppressive government. The First Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Trump has been assaulting freedom of speech since he has been elected. Whether it was the assault on people based on religion (Muslims). Or, his open assaults on the free press and his threats to remove certain members' press credentials to the White House if he doesn't like what they say.
Trump Is Threatening to 'Take Away' Reporters' Credentials. He Told TIME He Wouldn't Do That

His latest swipe at the First Amendment involves removal of security clearances from Americans who have the audacity to stand up for what they believe in. Americans who served their country for decades are being silenced by a President who believes everyone should serve his interests...and NOT those of the country. I don't care what you think of the politics of guys like John Brennan, but, to have them silenced simply because they disagree with what the POTUS is doing? Who else will we allow Trump to silence?
Trump's Assault on the First Amendment
Targeting critics, Trump threatens ex-officials' security clearances

Where are the patriotic Republicans?! Seriously....how many times will Trump have to wipe his backside with the Constitution before you're going to care?

Frankthefailure strikes again. Brennan demanded allegiance of all citizens to the dem party. He is a hack that never ever should have been remotely close to holding a power position. Stupid Rinos gave him a pass. Big mistake. Time to take out the trash.

 

[JoeB131]

Guy, whenever you guys whine about PC, it usually means, "I can't be a bigot in public anymore!" I'll put the same question I put to Stormy Mac when he claimed PC Police were out to get him.

and how many posts did it take you before you realized the discussion went sideways on you and you needed to play your race card?

What is it you want to say that you can't say? Come on, here you are, on a public forum, what horrible truth is it you want to say that you can't...

and the obligatory thinly disguised rant wanting to know what is so terrible about communism.

So you just admitted that PC isn't really keeping you from saying anything important... it's just holding you to account for being a bigot.

Got it.

you have no problem pretending you know who the christians were but still cannot bring your self to admit openly that hitler was secular/atheist

You are getting perilously close to the "No True Scotsman" fallacy here, bud.

Frankly, I don't know what was going through Hitler's head on religion. I could point you to a website where he used lots of religious language to justify his movement. And the Church just loved what he was doing, they were going to save them from Communism.

Naturally, after he did all the bad stuff, the Christian Church moved away from him, when they weren't helping guys like Mengele get away.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

So you just admitted that PC isn't really keeping you from saying anything important... it's just holding you to account for being a bigot.

Got it.

Not wasting any time getting that race card in to the game today are ya?

 

[sparky]

what good is free speech when our leaders convince us it's all fake?

~S~

 

[JoeB131]

But yet Twitter and youtube are silencing the voices of conservatives and all I hear are the sounds of crickets. Oh, btw, I would have banned CNN from the WH press corp on day one

But that's because you're a crazy person, and the secret service would have been dragging you off while you screamed about Lizard people and Trilateralists.

They are a fucking joke, just like the Washington Post and the New York Times which are nothing but lackeys for the CFR.

And right on cue... the "CFR"? Really?

Brennan, Clapper, Hildebeast, Comey ,any and all Barrypuppet holdovers SHOULD lose their security clearances. These subversive traitorous POS will end up doing hard time if there is anything resembling justice left.

Yup, because locking up your political opponents is what you do in a democracy!

Hey, you know, I used to wonder what my Grandparents thought during the Rise of Nazism in the Old Country... I don't anymore. Just like some idiots were cheering on the Night of the Long Knives, we have idiots cheering this.

If Trump doesn't like being criticized, he should resign and go back to his scripted TV show where everyone kisses his ass. Everyone would be a lot happier.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

You are getting perilously close to the "No True Scotsman" fallacy here, bud.

No doubt you are invoking the scoundrels retreat by playing that card

Frankly, I don't know what was going through Hitler's head on religion. I could point you to a website where he used lots of religious language to justify his movement. And the Church just loved what he was doing, they were going to save them from Communism.

If he were executing his war in the name of christianity [or any religion for that matter] you would certainly know it....hitler was secular/atheist

 

[sparky]

 

[Billo_Really]

That's not "silencing" them. That's simply denying them access to confidential information after their tenure has ended. That happens at workplaces all over the nation, btw. After you leave your workplace, you are denied access to the "inner workings". Nothing new there.

Refresher: the First Amendment simply means the gov't will not jail or oppress you for your speech. It does NOT mean you get unfettered access to inside information for the rest of your life because---whatever. ????

For most of them, their clearances were taken when they left office. This is just a petty move by the President, because he can't handle criticism of any kind. He forces everyone on his plane to watch Fox. He refuses to listen to anything he doesn't like to hear. Now he's talking in Orwellian doublespeak.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

This is just a petty move by the President, because he can't handle criticism of any kind.

did you come up with that yourself?

 

[JoeB131]

If he were executing his war in the name of christianity [or any religion for that matter] you would certainly know it....hitler was secular/atheist

But that's exactly what he did.

Hitler's Christianity

In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that, as in the past, so in the years to come He would give His blessing to our work and our action, to our judgement and our resolution, that He will safeguard us from all false pride and from all cowardly servility, that He may grant us to find the straight path which His Providence has ordained for the German people, and that He may ever give us the courage to do the right, never to falter, never to yield before any violence, before any danger.... I am convinced that men who are created by God should live in accordance with the will of the Almighty.... If Providence had not guided us I could often never have found these dizzy paths.... Thus it is that we National Socialists, too, have in the depths of our hearts our faith. We cannot do otherwise: no man can fashion world-history or the history of peoples unless upon his purpose and his powers there rests the blessings of this Providence.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Wurzburg on 27 June 1937

 

[Frankeneinstein]

But that's exactly what he did.

Hitler's Christianity

In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that, as in the past, so in the years to come He would give His blessing to our work and our action, to our judgement and our resolution, that He will safeguard us from all false pride and from all cowardly servility, that He may grant us to find the straight path which His Providence has ordained for the German people, and that He may ever give us the courage to do the right, never to falter, never to yield before any violence, before any danger.... I am convinced that men who are created by God should live in accordance with the will of the Almighty.... If Providence had not guided us I could often never have found these dizzy paths.... Thus it is that we National Socialists, too, have in the depths of our hearts our faith. We cannot do otherwise: no man can fashion world-history or the history of peoples unless upon his purpose and his powers there rests the blessings of this Providence.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Wurzburg on 27 June 1937

Seen and read this very thing many times, in fact I had an inkling yesterday I would be doing so again, allow me to change just one thing to give it a more accurate perspective for you...the link title:

Hitler's Socialism

In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that, as in the past, so in the years to come He would give His blessing to our work and our action, to our judgement and our resolution, that He will safeguard us from all false pride and from all cowardly servility, that He may grant us to find the straight path which His Providence has ordained for the German people, and that He may ever give us the courage to do the right, never to falter, never to yield before any violence, before any danger.... I am convinced that men who are created by God should live in accordance with the will of the Almighty.... If Providence had not guided us I could often never have found these dizzy paths.... Thus it is that we National Socialists, too, have in the depths of our hearts our faith. We cannot do otherwise: no man can fashion world-history or the history of peoples unless upon his purpose and his powers there rests the blessings of this Providence.

 

[JoeB131]

Seen and read this very thing many times, in fact I had an inkling yesterday I would be doing so again, allow me to change just one thing to give it a more accurate perspective for you...the link title:

Yawn, was there a point there

Hitler was a Christian who used Christian languges.

The thing is, Christianity itself is pretty socialist. Rich people are going to Hell and you should give away all your worldly possessions.. this is what Jesus preached.