Why do the people who voted for Hillary want to pay more taxes?

[Harpy Eagle]

You are a member of the country's smallest and stupidest party LOL...

I'm a Republican, dumbass.

Well at least you have the courage to openly admit it.

There are far too many Republican (and Democrat) dumbasses that stubbornly refuse to concede what they really are.

Personally I think we need a national 12 step program to cure people of the stupidity that's brought on by partisanship.

There are far more Democrats who refuse to admit it.

Republicans don't want to cut the budget 90%. Absolutely idiotic. Try real news.

Some do. I'm a libertarian mole in the Republican party. There are lots of us.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

He did not bring in even more revenue to pay for the increases, that is why the deficit has gone up almost a trillion dollars this FY, with 4 months to go.

You are repeating talking points that have no basis in fact.

so you say the revenue in April didn't go up? you going with that?

Yes, revenue in April went up. Now prove the tax cut was the cause and also prove that it went up at a higher percent than it did last April.

The deficit for this FY is $855,247,480,853.
The deficit for this CY, the year in which the tax cuts took effect is $607,400,950,713

Here is some more facts for you. Between 1 Oct 2017 and 1 Jan 2018, when the tax cuts kicked in we added $2,693,984,023 per day to the deficit.

Since 1 Jan 2018, when the tax cuts kicked in we have added $4,188,972,073 per day to the deficit.

In other words since the tax cuts took effect we have added $ 1,494,988,050 more to the deficit each day than before the tax cuts.

So, please explain how those tax cuts have helped deal with the debt.

You're ignoring the spending boondoggle Congress passed.

Who signed it?

It doesn't matter. You're blaming the deficit entirely on the tax bill, which is clearly wrong.

I did not such thing. Please stop lying about me.

 

[Richard-H]

Christian charity maybe?
You know...wanting to take care of their fellow citizens like Jesus commanded?

Since you obviously don't know what you are talking about let me explain it to you.

The Bible teaches that charity should come from the heart, church and family. You would know this if you ever attended a church.

There is nothing in there about having an obligation to have your money taken by force by a corrupt, bloated, out of control welfare state government and given to filthy ass special interest groups.

Here's something that JESUS DID SAY:

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."

When God starts issuing currency then you can complain about paying taxes to the government.

 

[francoHFW]

Weird that Lowlifes always seem to be Econ majors...they have all the answers for balancing a budget don’t they?
“Just tax the wealthy more.”
Wouldn’t it make more sense to demand that .GOV spend less money on bullshit like illegal wetbacks and such? Shouldn’t we start there?
Weird that filthy LefTards never, EVER mention anything like that...huh?

So where was your concern of the children when leftists enacted social security, medicaid and medicare, now debt into the tune of 150 trillion? Much more than the projected cost of global warming...

Trump takes debt because he wants to end all your nonsense. That's a sound investment. If he was a president before all the nonsense was enacted we would have saved trillions and trillions. Since that is no longer possible we will save civilization.

Really silly stuff, Dupe. If you count all taxes and fees the rich now pay no no more percentage wise than the middle class and the country is going broke.

You have a link? And who sets the taxes and fees?

Of course and it has gotten worse with trumps tax cut for the rich...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?utm_term=.96a386f91175&ved=2ahUKEwizu8uimq7bAhUM2IMKHb-yDOIQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1gq0eZVxZhGWmI-SFSuPBE

Looking at IRS site, which actually works unlike your link, you are spouting complete BS, as usual.

Rich may pay less taxes only to the extent which they have capital gains. But then that money is taxed twice in a row, while salary isn't. Franco is full of deception and lies as always.

wrong again as always... From link:
Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justicekeeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.

When politicians try to convince you that half of Americans aren't really paying taxes, it's usually because the real data undermines their preferred policies. For instance, you wouldn't look at these numbers and think tax cuts for the rich need to be a huge priority. And that's one reason people who want more tax cuts for the rich don't like to show you these numbers.

* Romney's 13.9 percent rate only counts his federal taxes. He hasn't released his state and local returns for 2011, so we can't say how that would change his total tax rate. But given the state and local averages for someone in his income group, it's likely to remain well below the 25-30 percent that is typical.

 

[bripat9643]

Liberals are so damn stupid they think bigger government is better government.

The assholes want higher taxes to pay for it, providing they are not the ones having to pay the taxes. They are greedy selfish little bastards like that.

Conservatives are so stupid that when a conservative politician says that liberals want 'bigger government', they believe them.

Nope, liberals don't particularly want 'bigger government'.

But one thing is for sure, 'tax and spend' is a whole lot smarter than 'not tax and spend'.

If they don't want bigger government, then why do they always call for spending increases?

 

[bripat9643]

Christian charity maybe?
You know...wanting to take care of their fellow citizens like Jesus commanded?

Since you obviously don't know what you are talking about let me explain it to you.

The Bible teaches that charity should come from the heart, church and family. You would know this if you ever attended a church.

There is nothing in there about having an obligation to have your money taken by force by a corrupt, bloated, out of control welfare state government and given to filthy ass special interest groups.

Here's something that JESUS DID SAY:

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."

When God starts issuing currency then you can complain about paying taxes to the government.

How about if we go back to private banks issuing currency and banknotes. Did you know why they are called "banknotes?"

 

[sealybobo]

BECAUSE THEY ARE STUPID. LET'S JUST BE HONEST OKAY? THEY ARE MORONS.

Why did Republicans want to pay off the debt when Obama was POTUS but now they don't talk about it anymore?

Because they are hypocrites that put party before country...just like the Dems that did not give a shit about it till Obama was gone.

Because we don't care about the debt. Or we don't point to it and blame Trump because we know that when we are in charge, we won't fix it either. We know Chaney was telling the truth when he said debt don't matter. It does but only when the rich decide they need to have another recession so they can wipe out inflation.

In other words, we don't act like Republicans do when they are in power. We aren't going to say now, "look Trump is at fault for Iraq like you guys tried to turn Iraq into Obama's war and his fault.

Notice also we haven't made a big deal out of Trump's Benghazi? We should start launching investigations right???

IS NIGER TRUMP'S BENGHAZI? FOUR U.S. SOLDIERS DIED AND IT TOOK HIM 12 DAYS TO RESPOND

Trump's response to four U.S. soldiers killed in Niger is already being compared to Benghazi

 

[bripat9643]

You have a link? And who sets the taxes and fees?

Of course and it has gotten worse with trumps tax cut for the rich...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?utm_term=.96a386f91175&ved=2ahUKEwizu8uimq7bAhUM2IMKHb-yDOIQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1gq0eZVxZhGWmI-SFSuPBE

Looking at IRS site, which actually works unlike your link, you are spouting complete BS, as usual.

Rich may pay less taxes only to the extent which they have capital gains. But then that money is taxed twice in a row, while salary isn't. Franco is full of deception and lies as always.

The concept that taxes on capital gains is taxed twice is disingenuine.

The original idea was that it would be taxed partially when it is declared as profit by the company, and then the rest of the tax would be imposed when it was distributed as a dividend.

The idea was to give companies incentive to not distribute their profits, but to hold onto them and reinvest the money. That means expansion, job creation and a booming economy.

The problem with that is that democrats act like taxes are for revenue generation, but you have proven they are for behavior modification, which is bad, very bad. Companies either know how to run their business or they die, it shouldn't be interfered by the govt.

The government's job is to promote the welfare of the American people. It is not dedicated to the free market system.

If it helps the American people when business reinvests it's profits and grows than the government should implement a tax policy that promotes that.

No, that is not the governments job. Protecting you from predators, foreign and domestic, is the government's job. That's it's only legitimate function.

 

[Richard-H]

Liberals are so damn stupid they think bigger government is better government.

The assholes want higher taxes to pay for it, providing they are not the ones having to pay the taxes. They are greedy selfish little bastards like that.

We don’t want bigger government

We want the right sized government

Infinity is the "right size" as far as left-wingers are concerned.

Tell us what you believe the right size is.

Did some conservative politician tell you that liberals wanted 'infinite ' government?

One of the guys from the 'swamp' you keep talking about?

The right size of government is the size that allows the government to fulfill it's constitutional responsibilities - to all Americans, not just the wealthy ones.

 

[bripat9643]

To quote you...you can't collect enough money. the economists already stated such. spending cuts is all that will decrease the deficit. and all that is needed is five percent across the board to achieve.

Not to mention that tax cuts do not bring in more revenue. That is just a lie that your party masters tell you to keep you happy and dumb

well that is correct! You claimed he spent more. I then stated he brought in more revenue to pay for the increases. that's as far as the conversation went. spending cuts will be necessary to cut the deficit.

I'm trying to find the post that documented since the tax cuts were applied the revenues went down

Revenue rarely goes down after a tax cut, what does go down is the rate at which it was increasing. The 5 years prior to the first Reagan tax cut revenue was increasing at 13% per year, the 5 years after it increased at a rate of 6% per year.

The reason for that is that Reagan began adjusting tax brackets for inflation. Prior to that the government got an automatic tax increase becuase people where pushed into higher brackets even though they were making the same in inflation adjusted dollars.

Tax indexing did not start till 1985. That is 3 years where the rate of increase was less even without indexing.

We had some massive tax cuts during those years, and revenue still increased.

 

[Richard-H]

Of course and it has gotten worse with trumps tax cut for the rich...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?utm_term=.96a386f91175&ved=2ahUKEwizu8uimq7bAhUM2IMKHb-yDOIQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1gq0eZVxZhGWmI-SFSuPBE

Looking at IRS site, which actually works unlike your link, you are spouting complete BS, as usual.

Rich may pay less taxes only to the extent which they have capital gains. But then that money is taxed twice in a row, while salary isn't. Franco is full of deception and lies as always.

The concept that taxes on capital gains is taxed twice is disingenuine.

The original idea was that it would be taxed partially when it is declared as profit by the company, and then the rest of the tax would be imposed when it was distributed as a dividend.

The idea was to give companies incentive to not distribute their profits, but to hold onto them and reinvest the money. That means expansion, job creation and a booming economy.

The problem with that is that democrats act like taxes are for revenue generation, but you have proven they are for behavior modification, which is bad, very bad. Companies either know how to run their business or they die, it shouldn't be interfered by the govt.

The government's job is to promote the welfare of the American people. It is not dedicated to the free market system.

If it helps the American people when business reinvests it's profits and grows than the government should implement a tax policy that promotes that.

No, that is not the governments job. Protecting you from predators, foreign and domestic, is the government's job. That's it's only legitimate function.

Try reading the preamble to the Constitution sometime. Promoting the general welfare is the responsibility of the Federal Government.

 

[francoHFW]

Christian charity maybe?
You know...wanting to take care of their fellow citizens like Jesus commanded?

Since you obviously don't know what you are talking about let me explain it to you.

The Bible teaches that charity should come from the heart, church and family. You would know this if you ever attended a church.

There is nothing in there about having an obligation to have your money taken by force by a corrupt, bloated, out of control welfare state government and given to filthy ass special interest groups.

Charity doesn't work... overheads r often ridiculous and it runs out when the GOP starts another depression or recession.

 

[bripat9643]

Liberals are so damn stupid they think bigger government is better government.

The assholes want higher taxes to pay for it, providing they are not the ones having to pay the taxes. They are greedy selfish little bastards like that.

We don’t want bigger government

We want the right sized government

Infinity is the "right size" as far as left-wingers are concerned.

Tell us what you believe the right size is.

Did some conservative politician tell you that liberals wanted 'infinite ' government?

One of the guys from the 'swamp' you keep talking about?

The right size of government is the size that allows the government to fulfill it's constitutional responsibilities - to all Americans, not just the wealthy ones.

That's about 10% of what it now spends. I know liberals want infinite government because they are always proposing to spend more money and create new and bigger programs.

 

[bripat9643]

Looking at IRS site, which actually works unlike your link, you are spouting complete BS, as usual.

Rich may pay less taxes only to the extent which they have capital gains. But then that money is taxed twice in a row, while salary isn't. Franco is full of deception and lies as always.

The concept that taxes on capital gains is taxed twice is disingenuine.

The original idea was that it would be taxed partially when it is declared as profit by the company, and then the rest of the tax would be imposed when it was distributed as a dividend.

The idea was to give companies incentive to not distribute their profits, but to hold onto them and reinvest the money. That means expansion, job creation and a booming economy.

The problem with that is that democrats act like taxes are for revenue generation, but you have proven they are for behavior modification, which is bad, very bad. Companies either know how to run their business or they die, it shouldn't be interfered by the govt.

The government's job is to promote the welfare of the American people. It is not dedicated to the free market system.

If it helps the American people when business reinvests it's profits and grows than the government should implement a tax policy that promotes that.

No, that is not the governments job. Protecting you from predators, foreign and domestic, is the government's job. That's it's only legitimate function.

Try reading the preamble to the Constitution sometime. Promoting the general welfare is the responsibility of the Federal Government.

The Founding Fathers were wrong about that.

 

[Richard-H]

Liberals are so damn stupid they think bigger government is better government.

The assholes want higher taxes to pay for it, providing they are not the ones having to pay the taxes. They are greedy selfish little bastards like that.

We don’t want bigger government

We want the right sized government

Actually that's right wingers
left wingers want socialist utopia, which we right wingers call anarchy.
because we know we NEED govt, we just want it really really small.

How do you know what 'Left Wingers' want? Did some conservative politician tell you?

Did it occur to you that he was lying?

 

[Norman]

Of course and it has gotten worse with trumps tax cut for the rich...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?utm_term=.96a386f91175&ved=2ahUKEwizu8uimq7bAhUM2IMKHb-yDOIQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1gq0eZVxZhGWmI-SFSuPBE

Looking at IRS site, which actually works unlike your link, you are spouting complete BS, as usual.

Rich may pay less taxes only to the extent which they have capital gains. But then that money is taxed twice in a row, while salary isn't. Franco is full of deception and lies as always.

The concept that taxes on capital gains is taxed twice is disingenuine.

The original idea was that it would be taxed partially when it is declared as profit by the company, and then the rest of the tax would be imposed when it was distributed as a dividend.

The idea was to give companies incentive to not distribute their profits, but to hold onto them and reinvest the money. That means expansion, job creation and a booming economy.

The problem with that is that democrats act like taxes are for revenue generation, but you have proven they are for behavior modification, which is bad, very bad. Companies either know how to run their business or they die, it shouldn't be interfered by the govt.

The government's job is to promote the welfare of the American people. It is not dedicated to the free market system.

If it helps the American people when business reinvests it's profits and grows than the government should implement a tax policy that promotes that.

No, that is not the governments job. Protecting you from predators, foreign and domestic, is the government's job. That's it's only legitimate function.

In a far better society far far away at least. Today the government does whatever it can get away with. In a modern democracy there is little hope to tame this beast apart from a revolution.

In democracy where everyone gets to vote, we ultimately all dragged to the lowest common standard, which the leftists of the board of course have fully absorbed. As such, the idiots are having kids at the expense of the decent people, and each year the populace becomes dumber and dumber. There is no limit to the regress...

This is the recipe how to become a 3rd world country. And the leftists are of course cheering on every step.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

well that is correct! You claimed he spent more. I then stated he brought in more revenue to pay for the increases. that's as far as the conversation went. spending cuts will be necessary to cut the deficit.

I'm trying to find the post that documented since the tax cuts were applied the revenues went down

Revenue rarely goes down after a tax cut, what does go down is the rate at which it was increasing. The 5 years prior to the first Reagan tax cut revenue was increasing at 13% per year, the 5 years after it increased at a rate of 6% per year.

The reason for that is that Reagan began adjusting tax brackets for inflation. Prior to that the government got an automatic tax increase becuase people where pushed into higher brackets even though they were making the same in inflation adjusted dollars.

Tax indexing did not start till 1985. That is 3 years where the rate of increase was less even without indexing.

We had some massive tax cuts during those years, and revenue still increased.

Yes revenue did increase it just increased slower


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[bripat9643]

I'm trying to find the post that documented since the tax cuts were applied the revenues went down

Revenue rarely goes down after a tax cut, what does go down is the rate at which it was increasing. The 5 years prior to the first Reagan tax cut revenue was increasing at 13% per year, the 5 years after it increased at a rate of 6% per year.

The reason for that is that Reagan began adjusting tax brackets for inflation. Prior to that the government got an automatic tax increase becuase people where pushed into higher brackets even though they were making the same in inflation adjusted dollars.

Tax indexing did not start till 1985. That is 3 years where the rate of increase was less even without indexing.

We had some massive tax cuts during those years, and revenue still increased.

Yes revenue did increase it just increased slower


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When they started adjusting the brakets for inflation, that was inevitable.

 

[Richard-H]

The concept that taxes on capital gains is taxed twice is disingenuine.

The original idea was that it would be taxed partially when it is declared as profit by the company, and then the rest of the tax would be imposed when it was distributed as a dividend.

The idea was to give companies incentive to not distribute their profits, but to hold onto them and reinvest the money. That means expansion, job creation and a booming economy.

The problem with that is that democrats act like taxes are for revenue generation, but you have proven they are for behavior modification, which is bad, very bad. Companies either know how to run their business or they die, it shouldn't be interfered by the govt.

The government's job is to promote the welfare of the American people. It is not dedicated to the free market system.

If it helps the American people when business reinvests it's profits and grows than the government should implement a tax policy that promotes that.

No, that is not the governments job. Protecting you from predators, foreign and domestic, is the government's job. That's it's only legitimate function.

Try reading the preamble to the Constitution sometime. Promoting the general welfare is the responsibility of the Federal Government.

The Founding Fathers were wrong about that.

Who cares if you think the founding fathers were wrong! The rest of America believes they were 100% right.

If you don't like the Constitution, please leave the country!

 

[bripat9643]

Looking at IRS site, which actually works unlike your link, you are spouting complete BS, as usual.

Rich may pay less taxes only to the extent which they have capital gains. But then that money is taxed twice in a row, while salary isn't. Franco is full of deception and lies as always.

The concept that taxes on capital gains is taxed twice is disingenuine.

The original idea was that it would be taxed partially when it is declared as profit by the company, and then the rest of the tax would be imposed when it was distributed as a dividend.

The idea was to give companies incentive to not distribute their profits, but to hold onto them and reinvest the money. That means expansion, job creation and a booming economy.

The problem with that is that democrats act like taxes are for revenue generation, but you have proven they are for behavior modification, which is bad, very bad. Companies either know how to run their business or they die, it shouldn't be interfered by the govt.

The government's job is to promote the welfare of the American people. It is not dedicated to the free market system.

If it helps the American people when business reinvests it's profits and grows than the government should implement a tax policy that promotes that.

No, that is not the governments job. Protecting you from predators, foreign and domestic, is the government's job. That's it's only legitimate function.

In a far better society far far away at least. Today the government does whatever it can get away with. In a modern democracy there is little hope to tame this beast apart from a revolution.

In democracy where everyone gets to vote, we ultimately all dragged to the lowest common standard, which the leftists of the board of course have fully absorbed. As such, the idiots are having kids at the expense of the decent people, and each year the populace becomes dumber and dumber. There is no limit to the regress...

This is the recipe how to become a 3rd world country. And the leftists are of course cheering on every step.

Democracy is rule by the dumbest 51% of the population.