Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Misinformation and Disinformation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Arab Palestinians want so desperately for some territory, as may be determined by the Allied Powers, to be declared their territory and country.

Whether or not the Arab Palestinians recognize it or not, IS completely and utterly irrelevant.

No it isn't. The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

Palestinians view the entire area from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea as “Palestine,”

It's not? How did Israel get that territory?

(COMMENT)

The Reality of the Current Situation: The Arab Palestinians can take the valid position that they have sovereignty over two parcels of territory:

◈ August 2005: The Israel Government orders a unilateral disengagement and withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. When that disengagement was completed, the Gaza Strip would NO LONGER be considered occupied because at that point the Gaza Strip would not be under the authority of the Israel Defense Force. "The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised. (1907 Hague Regulation • Article 42 • Section III : Military authority over the territory of the hostile state)​

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✦ Article 22(2) Nullum crimen sine lege • Part III General Principles of Criminal Law • Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court​

The definition of a crime shall be strictly construed and shall not be extended by analogy. In case of ambiguity, the definition shall be interpreted in favor of the person being investigated, prosecuted or convicted. ​

◈ Oslo II - The Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement - Map No. 1 (1995): The citation reads inpart: ​

"Government of Israel and Palestine Liberation Organization (1995) "Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement Map No. 1: First Phase of Redeployment, Map Delineating Areas A and B." ​

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(Reference: A/51/889 S/1997/357 English Page 17 = Oslo II Accords)​

All civil powers and responsibilities, including planning and zoning, in Areas A and B, set out in Annex III^ will be transferred to and assumed by the Council during the first phase of redeployment. ​

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In Area C, during the first phase of redeployment Israel will transfer to the Council civil powers and responsibilities not relating to territory, as set out in Annex III. ​

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For the purpose of this Agreement, "the Settlements" means, in the West Bank - the settlements in Area C; and in the Gaza Strip - the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas, as well as the other settlements in the Gaza Strip, as shown on attached map No. 2.​

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✦ The Council will, upon completion of the redeployment of Israeli military forces in each district, as set out in Appendix 1 to Annex I, assume the powers and responsibilities for internal security and public order in Area A in that district.​

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✦ In Area B the Palestinian Police shall assume the responsibility for public order for Palestinians and shall be deployed in order to accommodate the Palestinian needs and requirements in the following manner:​

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✦ The territorial jurisdiction of the Council shall encompass Gaza Strip territory, except for the Settlements and the Military Installation Area shown on map No. 2, and West Bank territory, except for Area C which, except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations, will be gradually transferred to Palestinian jurisdiction in three phases, each to take place after an interval of six months, to be completed 18 months after the inauguration of the Council. At this time, the jurisdiction of the Council will cover West Bank and Gaza Strip territory, except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations. ​

Clearly, if the Arab Palestinians want, they could out'n'out declare Area A as sovereign unto them. And they might even be able to make a valid argument that Area B is sovereign unto them. BUT, Area C is clearly not under the sovereign control of the Arab Palestinians.

The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

They didn't own any territory, how can they cede it?

Load of Israeli hooey. Negotiating borders is a final status issue. How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?
You don't make any sense.

(POINT of ORDER)

Where do you get this misinformation from? The issue of borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbors, and other issues of common interest are all part of the "Permanent Status of Negotiation" and NOT Final anything. In fact, Israel has moved ahead in the areas of relations and cooperation with other neighboring nations because of Arab Palestinian foot draggging.

ARTICLE V • Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements (1993)
TRANSITIONAL PERIOD AND PERMANENT STATUS NEGOTIATIONS

1. The five-year transitional period will begin upon the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and Jericho area. ​

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2. Permanent status negotiations will commence as soon as possible, but not later than the beginning of the third year of the interim period, between the Government of Israel and the Palestinian people representatives. ​

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3. It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbors, and other issues of common interest. ​

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4. The two parties agree that the outcome of the permanent status negotiations should not be prejudiced or preempted by agreements reached for the interim period.​

(COMMENT)

Short Answer: It doesn't matter what the Arab Palestinians hold territorially. Territorial Sovereignty we are addressing is all about what is the exclusive competence of the State in regard to its own territory. Not Arab Palestinian dreams.

While the status of the (Question of) Palestinian State is becoming more and more irrelevant, Israel is now in its in its seventh decade of sovereign territorial control. The Question of Palestine is still a question of Palestine.

territorial sovereignty • This is an aspect of sovereignty , connoting the internal, rather than the external, manifestation of the principle of sovereignty. It is the ‘principle of the exclusive competence of the State in regard to its own territory . . . Territorial sovereignty is, in general, a situation recognized and delimited in space . . . [and] signifies independence. Independence in regard to a portion of the globe is the right to exercise therein, to the exclusion of any other State, the functions of a State’: Arbitrator Max Huber in the Island of Palmas Case ( 1928 ) 2 R.I.A.A. 829 at 838.
SOURCE: Parry & Grant Encyclopaedic Dictionary of International Law • 3ed. Copyright © 2009 by Oxford University Press, Inc. • pp 599 • ISBN 978-0-19-538977-7

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

They didn't own any territory, how can they cede it?

Load of Israeli hooey. Negotiating borders is a final status issue. How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

You don't make any sense.

How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

Why should anyone negotiate with the Palestinians, who you admit have no territory?

You make me laugh.

Poor attempt at a duck.

Never was a country, never owned any territory.

Not a duck in sight.

Decisions of international and national tribunals

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]

State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Reality of the Current Situation: The Arab Palestinians can take the valid position that they have sovereignty over two parcels of territory:

Israel has military control of all of Palestine, i.e. military occupation. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

 

[Hollie]

The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

They didn't own any territory, how can they cede it?

Load of Israeli hooey. Negotiating borders is a final status issue. How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

You don't make any sense.

How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

Why should anyone negotiate with the Palestinians, who you admit have no territory?

You make me laugh.

Poor attempt at a duck.

Never was a country, never owned any territory.

Not a duck in sight.

Decisions of international and national tribunals

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]

State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"the Permanent Court of International Justice"


That's so silly.

 

[Hollie]

The Reality of the Current Situation: The Arab Palestinians can take the valid position that they have sovereignty over two parcels of territory:

Israel has military control of all of Palestine, i.e. military occupation. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

Military control is i.e. not occupation as i.e. you may have noticed that i.e. the terms are spelled i.e. differently.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

They didn't own any territory, how can they cede it?

Load of Israeli hooey. Negotiating borders is a final status issue. How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

You don't make any sense.

How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

Why should anyone negotiate with the Palestinians, who you admit have no territory?

You make me laugh.

Poor attempt at a duck.

Never was a country, never owned any territory.

Not a duck in sight.

Decisions of international and national tribunals

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]

State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That ship has sailed. The Arabs fucked up.
Palestine continues to shrink.
At this rate, they'll be lucky to be as large as Lichtenstein.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

They didn't own any territory, how can they cede it?

Load of Israeli hooey. Negotiating borders is a final status issue. How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

You don't make any sense.

How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

Why should anyone negotiate with the Palestinians, who you admit have no territory?

You make me laugh.

Poor attempt at a duck.

Never was a country, never owned any territory.

Not a duck in sight.

Decisions of international and national tribunals

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]

State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That ship has sailed. The Arabs fucked up.
Palestine continues to shrink.
At this rate, they'll be lucky to be as large as Lichtenstein.

Really? What has changed except for occupation?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

They didn't own any territory, how can they cede it?

Load of Israeli hooey. Negotiating borders is a final status issue. How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

You don't make any sense.

How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

Why should anyone negotiate with the Palestinians, who you admit have no territory?

You make me laugh.

Poor attempt at a duck.

Never was a country, never owned any territory.

Not a duck in sight.

Decisions of international and national tribunals

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]

State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That ship has sailed. The Arabs fucked up.
Palestine continues to shrink.
At this rate, they'll be lucky to be as large as Lichtenstein.

Really? What has changed except for occupation?

Facts on the ground.
The huge success of Israel.
The huge failure of your Palestinians.
Really.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

They didn't own any territory, how can they cede it?

Load of Israeli hooey. Negotiating borders is a final status issue. How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

You don't make any sense.

How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

Why should anyone negotiate with the Palestinians, who you admit have no territory?

You make me laugh.

Poor attempt at a duck.

Never was a country, never owned any territory.

Not a duck in sight.

Decisions of international and national tribunals

The U.S. State Department Digest of International Law says that the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne provided for the application of the principles of state succession to the "A" Mandates. The Treaty of Versailles (1920) provisionally recognized the former Ottoman communities as independent nations. It also required Germany to recognize the disposition of the former Ottoman territories and to recognize the new states laid down within their boundaries. The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]

State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That ship has sailed. The Arabs fucked up.
Palestine continues to shrink.
At this rate, they'll be lucky to be as large as Lichtenstein.

Really? What has changed except for occupation?

Facts on the ground.
The huge success of Israel.
The huge failure of your Palestinians.
Really.

Facts on the ground.

Still occupation.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Still occupation.

Loser says what?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: The Dispute
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The decision, now a century old, was in an atmosphere that does not exist today. Government change and so do the complexion of nations. At the beginning of the 20th Century, the world was a very different place than at the bringing of the 21st Century.

A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties.

Facts on the ground.

Still occupation.

(COMMENT)

If we follow this to the logical conclusion then the dispute and conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians is a "Civil War" between the two factions within the same boundary (Palestine). And the outcome of that dispute (Civil War) between the two factions within the territory that was formerly under the Mandate, would have now been fought to its conclusion. The war would have fallen decisively in favor of the Israelis.

Your argument fails again. Throughout the world, there are many nations today that were decided much the same way. [/QUOTE]

• Where did South Sudan come from?
• Where did Kosovo come from?
• Where did Serbia / Montenegro come from? Is that just one country? Or is that two countries?
• Where did Timor-Leste come from?
• Where did Eritrea come from?
• How about the outcome of North and South Korea?
• Was the country of Tibet the same today as it was in the time of the Dalai Lama? Was it formerly Chinese or Indian?
• Where did these countries come from?
  • Pakistan ( independence: Aug 14, 1947)
  • Afghanistan
  • Nepal
  • Ceylon ( Sri Lanka)
  • Burma ( Myanmar)
  • Bhutan

When we start talking about rolling the clock backward in order to change history, we are being disingenuous and insincere.

I ask in all sincerity: Who is going to take what Israel has worked so hard to create? Who, in their right mind, is going to give Israel to the corrupt, duplicitous, untrustworthy, crooks and criminals of Arab Palestine - and destroy the most successful country in the Middle East in more than a Century?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Around 2,000 pilgrims from the Palestinian territories, Israel and Jordan, some waving Palestinian flags, attend the mass as well as Abbas, who had a private audience with the pope on Saturday.

How can the so-called "Evangelical Christians" support the Anti-Christian Zionists in their fight against Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims?

There is no fight against the Palestinians, only against extremists.
What makes you think that Zionists are 'anti - Christian??? Because a small handful of religious Jews are racist, so all of them are?? Many Zionists are Christian BTW.. You are a massive bigot who is extremely uninformed and full of propaganda.

If the Zionist were not trying to commit genocide against the Palestinians, then why invade and occupy Jerusalem, which is out side the legal 1948 UN borders of Israel?
Why block all shipping and travel in and out of Palestine?
There are all criminal actions intent on starving Palestinians from their ancestral homes.

why invade and occupy Jerusalem, which is out side the legal 1948 UN borders of Israel?

What country was Jerusalem in?

Why block all shipping and travel in and out of Palestine?

Because Palestine imports terror materials.

Jerusalem was always in Palestine, which was a territory of the Ottoman Empire until the Treaty of Sevres created it in 1920.

It does not matter if Palestine imports anything, including terror materials.
Israel has no jurisdiction over Palestine, which was legally created by treaty in 1920.

Are you trying to convince me that there was a country called Palestine in 1920? Do you have a link ?

Obviously there was a country of Palestine in 1920.
All they were missing was a legitimate government, which is what the British Mandate for Palestine was supposed to help organize.

{...

The Mandate for Palestine was a League of Nations mandate for British administration of the territories of Palestine and Transjordan, both of which had been conceded by the Ottoman Empire following the end of World War I in 1918. The mandate was assigned to Britain by the San Remo conference in April 1920, after France's concession in the 1918 Clemenceau–Lloyd George Agreement of the previously-agreed "international administration" of Palestine under the Sykes–Picot Agreement. Transjordan was added to the mandate after the Arab Kingdom in Damascus was toppled by the French in the Franco-Syrian War. Civil administration began in Palestine and Transjordan in July 1920 and April 1921, respectively, and the mandate was in force from 29 September 1923 to 15 May 1948.

The mandate document was based on Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations of 28 June 1919 and the Supreme Council of the Principal Allied Powers' San Remo Resolution of 25 April 1920. The objective of the mandates over former territories of Ottoman Empire was to provide "administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone". The border between Palestine and Transjordan was agreed in the final mandate document, and the approximate northern border with the French Mandate for Syria and the Lebanon was agreed in the Paulet–Newcombe Agreement of 23 December 1920.
...}

The British before the war had already promised Palestine independence if they helped defeat the Ottoman Empire in WWI, and they did their part.

{...
Back in 1915, the British needed the help of the Arabs in defeating the Ottoman Empire in World War I. In a set of letters called the 'McMahon–Hussein Correspondence,' they promised the Arabs that if they rebelled against The Ottoman Empire (which had sided with Germany in the war), that they would get their own independent state (as depicted in the first map above).
...}

The article you just posted proves that Palestine was NOT A COUNTRY. Do you even read the link before you posted it

 

[toastman]

Around 2,000 pilgrims from the Palestinian territories, Israel and Jordan, some waving Palestinian flags, attend the mass as well as Abbas, who had a private audience with the pope on Saturday.

How can the so-called "Evangelical Christians" support the Anti-Christian Zionists in their fight against Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims?

There is no fight against the Palestinians, only against extremists.
What makes you think that Zionists are 'anti - Christian??? Because a small handful of religious Jews are racist, so all of them are?? Many Zionists are Christian BTW.. You are a massive bigot who is extremely uninformed and full of propaganda.

If the Zionist were not trying to commit genocide against the Palestinians, then why invade and occupy Jerusalem, which is out side the legal 1948 UN borders of Israel?
Why block all shipping and travel in and out of Palestine?
There are all criminal actions intent on starving Palestinians from their ancestral homes.

Don’t want Israel to block shipping, don’t try to attain weapons and explosive materials. That’s what you get for behaving badly.
Ask yourself this: do you really think that Israel would have blocked shipping for the Palestinians had they never attacked Israel?
Palestinians kill/attempt to kill Israelis , then whine at the consequences .
When you look up the word “cry baby” in the the dictionary....... you know the rest ...

It is perfectly legal for ANY country to attain weapons and explosive material.
What is illegal is for Israel to prevent the Palestinians from getting whatever they wish to get.
It is not behaving badly to attain weapons when you are being illegally occupied.

Palestinians never did attack Israel.
Israel has always been the aggressor and has always illegally occupied Palestine.
Palestine never had an army or weapons, and never attacked anyone.
Israel is illegally occupying not just Jerusalem, but all of Palestine.
The demolitions of Arab homes and illegal Jewish settlements are well known.

Even the 1948 war was started by Israelis, massacring Arab villages like Dier Yassin.

Palestinians never attacked Israel ? Really ?

Palestinian political violence - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[toastman]

Israel is entitled to take such measures that may be necessary to secure the State of Israel and the Jewish National Home (JNH) from external forces.

According to the LoN and the Mandate, the JNH was not supposed to be a Jewish state. No Jewish state was created.

The UN, under Resolution 181, attempted to create a Jewish state but failed.

So no official body created Israel.

Where do you read that SOMEBODY has to create Israel ?
Regardless, Israel is a sovereign nation. You not believing in its existence does not mean it does not exist

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Around 2,000 pilgrims from the Palestinian territories, Israel and Jordan, some waving Palestinian flags, attend the mass as well as Abbas, who had a private audience with the pope on Saturday.

How can the so-called "Evangelical Christians" support the Anti-Christian Zionists in their fight against Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims?

There is no fight against the Palestinians, only against extremists.
What makes you think that Zionists are 'anti - Christian??? Because a small handful of religious Jews are racist, so all of them are?? Many Zionists are Christian BTW.. You are a massive bigot who is extremely uninformed and full of propaganda.

If the Zionist were not trying to commit genocide against the Palestinians, then why invade and occupy Jerusalem, which is out side the legal 1948 UN borders of Israel?
Why block all shipping and travel in and out of Palestine?
There are all criminal actions intent on starving Palestinians from their ancestral homes.

why invade and occupy Jerusalem, which is out side the legal 1948 UN borders of Israel?

What country was Jerusalem in?

Why block all shipping and travel in and out of Palestine?

Because Palestine imports terror materials.

Jerusalem was always in Palestine, which was a territory of the Ottoman Empire until the Treaty of Sevres created it in 1920.

It does not matter if Palestine imports anything, including terror materials.
Israel has no jurisdiction over Palestine, which was legally created by treaty in 1920.

Are you trying to convince me that there was a country called Palestine in 1920? Do you have a link ?

Obviously there was a country of Palestine in 1920.
All they were missing was a legitimate government, which is what the British Mandate for Palestine was supposed to help organize.

{...

The Mandate for Palestine was a League of Nations mandate for British administration of the territories of Palestine and Transjordan, both of which had been conceded by the Ottoman Empire following the end of World War I in 1918. The mandate was assigned to Britain by the San Remo conference in April 1920, after France's concession in the 1918 Clemenceau–Lloyd George Agreement of the previously-agreed "international administration" of Palestine under the Sykes–Picot Agreement. Transjordan was added to the mandate after the Arab Kingdom in Damascus was toppled by the French in the Franco-Syrian War. Civil administration began in Palestine and Transjordan in July 1920 and April 1921, respectively, and the mandate was in force from 29 September 1923 to 15 May 1948.

The mandate document was based on Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations of 28 June 1919 and the Supreme Council of the Principal Allied Powers' San Remo Resolution of 25 April 1920. The objective of the mandates over former territories of Ottoman Empire was to provide "administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone". The border between Palestine and Transjordan was agreed in the final mandate document, and the approximate northern border with the French Mandate for Syria and the Lebanon was agreed in the Paulet–Newcombe Agreement of 23 December 1920.
...}

The British before the war had already promised Palestine independence if they helped defeat the Ottoman Empire in WWI, and they did their part.

{...
Back in 1915, the British needed the help of the Arabs in defeating the Ottoman Empire in World War I. In a set of letters called the 'McMahon–Hussein Correspondence,' they promised the Arabs that if they rebelled against The Ottoman Empire (which had sided with Germany in the war), that they would get their own independent state (as depicted in the first map above).
...}

Back in 1915, the British needed the help of the Arabs in defeating the Ottoman Empire in World War I. In a set of letters called the 'McMahon–Hussein Correspondence,' they promised the Arabs that if they rebelled against The Ottoman Empire (which had sided with Germany in the war), that they would get their own independent state (as depicted in the first map above).
...}

Saudi Arabia did become an independent state.

 

[toastman]

The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

They didn't own any territory, how can they cede it?

Load of Israeli hooey. Negotiating borders is a final status issue. How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

You don't make any sense.

How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

Why should anyone negotiate with the Palestinians, who you admit have no territory?

You make me laugh.

Poor attempt at a duck.

Never was a country, never owned any territory.

Not a duck in sight.

Who told you that?

Link?

You need a link that proves Palestine was not a country ? Why ? Every time we post links to counter your bullshit , you still don’t admit you’re wrong ..

 

[P F Tinmore]

Around 2,000 pilgrims from the Palestinian territories, Israel and Jordan, some waving Palestinian flags, attend the mass as well as Abbas, who had a private audience with the pope on Saturday.

How can the so-called "Evangelical Christians" support the Anti-Christian Zionists in their fight against Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims?

There is no fight against the Palestinians, only against extremists.
What makes you think that Zionists are 'anti - Christian??? Because a small handful of religious Jews are racist, so all of them are?? Many Zionists are Christian BTW.. You are a massive bigot who is extremely uninformed and full of propaganda.

If the Zionist were not trying to commit genocide against the Palestinians, then why invade and occupy Jerusalem, which is out side the legal 1948 UN borders of Israel?
Why block all shipping and travel in and out of Palestine?
There are all criminal actions intent on starving Palestinians from their ancestral homes.

Don’t want Israel to block shipping, don’t try to attain weapons and explosive materials. That’s what you get for behaving badly.
Ask yourself this: do you really think that Israel would have blocked shipping for the Palestinians had they never attacked Israel?
Palestinians kill/attempt to kill Israelis , then whine at the consequences .
When you look up the word “cry baby” in the the dictionary....... you know the rest ...

It is perfectly legal for ANY country to attain weapons and explosive material.
What is illegal is for Israel to prevent the Palestinians from getting whatever they wish to get.
It is not behaving badly to attain weapons when you are being illegally occupied.

Palestinians never did attack Israel.
Israel has always been the aggressor and has always illegally occupied Palestine.
Palestine never had an army or weapons, and never attacked anyone.
Israel is illegally occupying not just Jerusalem, but all of Palestine.
The demolitions of Arab homes and illegal Jewish settlements are well known.

Even the 1948 war was started by Israelis, massacring Arab villages like Dier Yassin.

Palestinians never attacked Israel ? Really ?

Palestinian political violence - Wikipedia

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All responses to Israeli violence.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

They didn't own any territory, how can they cede it?

Load of Israeli hooey. Negotiating borders is a final status issue. How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

You don't make any sense.

How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

Why should anyone negotiate with the Palestinians, who you admit have no territory?

You make me laugh.

Poor attempt at a duck.

Never was a country, never owned any territory.

Not a duck in sight.

Who told you that?

Link?

You need a link that proves Palestine was not a country ? Why ? Every time we post links to counter your bullshit , you still don’t admit you’re wrong ..

Links to Israeli propaganda sites don't count. What else you got?

 

[toastman]

The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

They didn't own any territory, how can they cede it?

Load of Israeli hooey. Negotiating borders is a final status issue. How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

You don't make any sense.

How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

Why should anyone negotiate with the Palestinians, who you admit have no territory?

You make me laugh.

Poor attempt at a duck.

Never was a country, never owned any territory.

Not a duck in sight.

Who told you that?

Link?

You need a link that proves Palestine was not a country ? Why ? Every time we post links to counter your bullshit , you still don’t admit you’re wrong ..

Links to Israeli propaganda sites don't count. What else you got?

So when I post links from Wikipedia that clearly state Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS, that’s a propaganda site ? Lol!!! You got nothing Tinmore.. nothing but Palestinian lies , and so you claim we use Israeli propaganda sites

 

[toastman]

Around 2,000 pilgrims from the Palestinian territories, Israel and Jordan, some waving Palestinian flags, attend the mass as well as Abbas, who had a private audience with the pope on Saturday.

How can the so-called "Evangelical Christians" support the Anti-Christian Zionists in their fight against Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims?

There is no fight against the Palestinians, only against extremists.
What makes you think that Zionists are 'anti - Christian??? Because a small handful of religious Jews are racist, so all of them are?? Many Zionists are Christian BTW.. You are a massive bigot who is extremely uninformed and full of propaganda.

If the Zionist were not trying to commit genocide against the Palestinians, then why invade and occupy Jerusalem, which is out side the legal 1948 UN borders of Israel?
Why block all shipping and travel in and out of Palestine?
There are all criminal actions intent on starving Palestinians from their ancestral homes.

Don’t want Israel to block shipping, don’t try to attain weapons and explosive materials. That’s what you get for behaving badly.
Ask yourself this: do you really think that Israel would have blocked shipping for the Palestinians had they never attacked Israel?
Palestinians kill/attempt to kill Israelis , then whine at the consequences .
When you look up the word “cry baby” in the the dictionary....... you know the rest ...

It is perfectly legal for ANY country to attain weapons and explosive material.
What is illegal is for Israel to prevent the Palestinians from getting whatever they wish to get.
It is not behaving badly to attain weapons when you are being illegally occupied.

Palestinians never did attack Israel.
Israel has always been the aggressor and has always illegally occupied Palestine.
Palestine never had an army or weapons, and never attacked anyone.
Israel is illegally occupying not just Jerusalem, but all of Palestine.
The demolitions of Arab homes and illegal Jewish settlements are well known.

Even the 1948 war was started by Israelis, massacring Arab villages like Dier Yassin.

Palestinians never attacked Israel ? Really ?

Palestinian political violence - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

All responses to Israeli violence.

So when Israel attacks Palestinians in Gaza, it’s for what?? Fun?
Please tell us Tinmore: How has Palestinians killing Israelis helped the Palestinians ? I await your answer